Grades v. Warriors 04/01

Who would you have had take the final shot?

  • Beno -- good call, just did not fall.

    Votes: 13 19.1%
  • Cisco -- even if ice cold

    Votes: 21 30.9%
  • Kevin (hey, has to hit one someday right?)

    Votes: 25 36.8%
  • McCants

    Votes: 7 10.3%
  • Hawes

    Votes: 2 2.9%

  • Total voters
    68
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Welcome to summer league!

Amusing, but that weren't basketball.


Theme = Some of Kevin's Illustrious Fellows in the 50 Point Club

Nocioni ( C+ ) -- perhaps a little too interestred in playing real basketball in the early going of this one, and so got into quick foul trouble and had to watch while everybody else ran up and down the floor like it was rec league. Got posterized by an impressive Anthony Randolph in the early second quarter, first when the kid muscled a board away from him for a follow, and then when the kid folowed that on the next possession with a huge flying dunk. In fact was pretty much being schooled by Randolph right through the mid third quartrer When Noc suddenly came to life, found a way to use his muscle inside, and got Randolph to the bench with foul trouble (Nellie did the rest -- Randolph had racked up 17pts and 10rebs on 7-9 shooting in only 19 minutes of action, but never got to see the floor again). Despite some impressive moments of using his size (remember, to the Warriors anybody over 6'3" is a monstrous figure) to batter the Warriors inside, did not really cause any consistent problems for the Warriors and finally fouled out when he got beat for a 3pt play to tie the game back up with 48 seconds to go in OT.
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Dana Barros (scored 50pts on 3/14/95)
Career Stats: 10.9pts 1.9reb 3.3ast
Dana Barros was the ultimate one hit wonder. Not the 50pt game in particular, although that was part of it back in 1995. But rather his whole career. A backup PG known for his 3pt shooting, he was suddenly thrust into a starting role in Phbiladelphia, averaged 13pts and 5ast in the first year wiht the Sixers, and then exploded for 20pts 7ast and an All Star berth in yr 2. Thereafter, his job done, he rapidly returned to just being Dana Barros, backup PG, and never averaged more than 13pts or 4.2 ast for the remainder of his career. It would be as if Beno suddenly exploded next year and outperformed Deron and Parker for an All Star berth, and then jsut as suddenly returned to just being Beno.


Thompson ( A- ) -- not surprsingly able to dominate the glass early, but was only sporadically noticeable until the early 4th, when he began to really use his size advantage to dominate in around the paint. After the third was largely the only big we played as Natt responded to some soft play by Spencer by getting sucked into the smallball trap, and trhere were times when Noc was playing "center" for us. Finally fouled out in OT after he grabbed Kevin's bricked 3pt attempt to win it, missed the follow, then fouled Turisaf going after it again. Grabbed a career high 19 rebounds on the night, which is obviously a big impressive number and earned him this grade. But has to be tempered a bit by the game that was being played -- in a 143-141 chuckfest there are a ridiculous number of boards to be had, an the man he was matched with for much of the night, the less than spectacular Rony Turiaf, had 13 as well.
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Tony Delk (scored 53pts on 1/2/01 (OT))
Career Stats: 9.1pts 2.5reb 1.9ast
Such a famous case that we named an award after him for it, Delk dropped 53 on us in apparent revenge the season after we let him go and replaced him with BJax. On the season he averaged all of 12.3ppg on .415 shooting, and during his career, all of 9.1.


Hawes ( C ) -- for Spencer's sake I am going to chalk this one up to inexperience rather than softness, but Spencer fell all too easily into Nellie's trap. Was able to easily control the glass early with no Biedrins available, and had 6 of his 7 rebounds in the game in the first quarter. Most of them were offensive where there was nobody of any height to check him off the boards. But he unfortunately got caught up in the Warriors game and drifted further and furtehr out, taking, and canning three three in the first half. And hey, he hit them. But he was at the three point line at 7 feet tall like Nellie's old center Raef LaFrentz, the rebounding went away, and he did not remotely punish the Warriors inside. In fact he did no damage at all except from the 3pt line. Lack of strength on display in the early 3rd as he was repeatedly unable to take advantage of 6'7" SG/SF Azubuike guarding him in the post. Not able to grab boards either, and got pulled so we could smallball with the Warriors. Was finally back in at the end of the OT, and missed the tip follow attempt of Beno's final shot.
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Willie Burton (scored 53pts on 12/13/93)
Career Stats: 10.3pts 2.9reb 1.2ast
Willie Burton was an entirely mediocre SG/SF during the early 90s. A player maybe on Cisco's level or a little less. And then he had a revenge game, and a revenge season. A 10.3ppg career scorer, he suddenly exploded with 53 against his former team (the Heat) the year after they traded him. Not only did he average a career high 15.3pts that year, but after never having hit more than six 3pts in a season in his first four years, he all of a sudden started bombing them and canned 106 in his career year. That was it though. He did not even play the next year and enver averaged more than 6.2ppg in any season of his remaining career.


Martin ( A ) -- and of course obviously the story of the night with his first career 50pt game (albeit in OT), and Kevin finally having one of these games against a team that has always seemed tailor made for Kevin's open court preferences, but against whom he has not always put up monster numbers. And you drop 50 that just about has to be an A no matter who you are. Yet I withheld the "+" for reasons I'll get into. Had a 19 point first quarter with everything falling as there was absolutely, completely, nothing even remotely resembling defense being played, and Kevin was largely being checked by Jamal Crawford, a longtime veteran of the no defense squad. Was drawing a ton of fouls too, and in the early going some of them were of the cheap variety. In fact the Warriors', and their fans', response to all the fouls really defined the game before half, as they were absolutely howling, picked up 4 technical fouls, and the refs needed security to make it into halftime in one piece. Slowed down in the second quarter and "only" had 25 at the half. Crawford, himself a multiple time 50pt scorer, was largely ineffective back the other way as Kevin dominated the matchup. But when it was Ellis instead that he was checking, the battle was much more even. Monta forced a lot, but on the night ended up with 42pts himself. Kevin meanwhile had 34 points by the mid third, largely on 22 FTs with the Warriors and their crowd growingly increasingly incensed, even on the ones he actually earned (I think there was only one shaky call in the third), and was up to 39 by the end of the quarter. Slowly chipped toward the 50pt night in the 4th but may have been running out of steam and would not have made it without the OT. And here is how a 50pt game lost that plus -- not that it took OT to get it, but that even on this night, on a career night for Kevin, he choked. Badly. Again. And that starts to get alarming when you can't doi it even on the best scoring night of your career. Almost threw the game away with two bad traveling turnovers in the final 3 minutes of regulation, the second of which involved him wide open for a three on the semi-break and just mysteriously catching the ball, and basically walking up to the 3pt line -- 4 steps at least, maybe 5, and there was nobody remotely close to him. Beno saved the game for the OT, and that let Kevin finally reach his 50 on a wide open three in the OT after Turiaf went down with Thompson falling on his head, leaving the Warriors playing 4 on 5. But then missed the wide open corner 3ptr to win the game in OT with 12 seconds to go (leading to Jason fouling out trying to get the follow), and came back on our next attempt with us down only 1, and again missed the shot on a called play out of the timeout. On our last last gasp (we were playing the foul game to extend the final seconds) Natt just said screw it and went with Beno instead, leaving Kevin with a 50pt night, but his clutch credentials still very much in question.
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Jamaal Crawford (three time 50pt scorer (52, 50, 50))
Career Stats: 15.1pts 2.7reb 4.2ast
I thought the appropriate selection here as he was the man guarding Kevin and knows a thing or two about scoring 50 (and letting people score as well). Crawford is a good scorer obviously. A 15ppg guy who averaged over 20 last year for the first time, and might be there again in Nellie's junkball system if Nellie were not screwing with his head and tanking or whatever it is that he is doing over there. But he is no 50pt scorer, let alone a 3x 50pt scorer. Somebody looking back at the 50pt game list 30 years from now is going to see all those 50pt games and think he must have been one of the premiere scorers of his era, when in fact all he is is a streak shooter who can get really hot from time to time.
 
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Udirh ( B- ) -- very quiet to start, as usual for no reason apparent to anynone but himself with no defense out there. But came on strong down the stretch of the 2nd quarter just taking what was given, which was nearly everything, and dribbling to whatever spot he wanted for little pullups. Slowly started accumulating all around numbers in the second half, although I think that was clearly one of those Nellieball pace related phenomenons -- bascially the numbers are phony. Had a terrible turnover throwing a goofy no look pass in the final two minutes that could have sunk us, but made up for it a few seconds later on the easiest game typing attempt in basketball history as he was allowed to dribble the full length of the court, untouched and unchallenged, for the game tying layup with 3 seconds to go. This is not bragging, not internet woofing -- I, today, no longer in my prime, could and would have defended that better than the Warriors did. It would have been funny if it were not so sad. Hit another big shot to put us up 3 with 1:00 to go in the OT, and it suddenly occurred to me that this recent rash of big baskets might just be the result of Beno having figured out how to save his job by screwing up our draft position so we can't draft his replacemnt. But given the chance to chase off the ghost of Rubio one more time, he was unable to get the game winner to go at the buzzer on another pullup from the right side maybe meant to mirror the shot that beat the Suns. Finished the night only 6-18 from the floor, with nearly all of the 6 concentrated in his little seocnd quarter burst, and then the clutch shots late.
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Tracy Murray (scored 50pts on 2/10/98)
Career Stats: 9.0pts 2.5reb 0.8ast
If you ever look up the perjorative "just a shooter" in the dictionary you will find pictures of a whole lot of Sacramento Kings, and then one of this guy. Averaging 9pts a game over a 12 year career for 7 different teams, Murray was a journeyman designated shooter. He had two decent seasons in the mid to late 90s however for Washington, averaging 16pts in one, and 15pts in the other. That still does not excuse such a player suddenly blowing up for 50 however.


Cisco ( B+ ) -- came into the game, quickly saw that there was going to be absolutely no resistance, and said so why not just hit all your shots? Seemed like a good plan for Cisco, for whom the hot shooting continued in the early going with no Warriors even pretending to being interested in interfering. May have run out of steam, or developed shooter's elbow by the 4th however. Not sure he made a single shot after the third, and by the time it came time for people to start hitting game winning shots, he was ice cold.
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Mahmoud Abdul Rauf (scored 51pts on 12/7/95)
Career Stats: 14.6pts 1.9reb 3.5ast
We got an up close and personal look at this character for a couple of years in the mid-90s. He was certianly gunner enoguh to score 50, if a team ever let him take all those shots. Twice he averaged over 19 a game, and on one night, he was a 50pt man. Of course during all that time the guys he was guarding, and I use "guarding" loosely, were probably averaging 30.


McCants ( C+ ) -- in the early going overpowered Ellis down inside, then had the same done to him by Maggette the other way. Took over the scoring load in the early 2nd quarter as we slowed down otherwise. Solid throughout the late going, chipping in tough hoops and matching the Warriors smallball, but never did get into a good rhythm and finished the night 5-14.
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Vernon Maxwell (scored 51pts on 1/26/91)
Career Stats: 12.8pts 2.6reb 3.4ast
Another player who eventually passed through Arco, Mad Max got his nickname for being basically nuts. And drunk (he was an alcoholic). And armed (he liked guns). He once pulled an Artest and charged into the stands after a fan. He assaulted refs. Had numerous run ins with the law, and generally made people too scared to guard him. Twice he averaged over 17ppg as a conscienceless gunner, and throw in being one of the great streak shooters of his era, and you had the formula for a 51pt night early in his career.


Greene ( INC ) -- one of those fortuitous INCs, this would not have been good if I actualy gave a real grade. Was busy being squished by the Natt as he (Natt) desperately tried to win the all important game and shorted the rotation to 7 players, and then finally got in at the very end of the 3rd quarter only to immediately get his shot blocked by Azubuike. Had a second one blocked in the first minute of the 4th, and that was enough for Natt as he brought Thompson back in.
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Nick Anderson (scored 50pts on 4/20/93)
Career Stats: 14.4pts 5.1reb 2.6ast
Picked so I could add a FOURTH Kings related fluke 50 point guy (we apparently get impressed and like to pick them up long after the fluke), yes this is the same Nick Anderson who showed up tired, chubby, and ruined to Sacto back in 2000 (which I could have told Geoff before he acquired him, but that's another story). Once in his youth though, and before a fateful Finals appearance where he missed three FTs in a row and permanently mentally crippled himself, Anderson was a major starter for a good team, twice averaging 19.9pts in a season (could the coach not have helped him to get just one more shot to get to 20ppg?) and spending most of his career hovering around 15ppg.
 
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Booth ( ) -- the saga of the Boothman took another turn when he was again denied the opportunity to dominate, and you could see him over on the bench making eyes at the Warriors girls and shaking his head in the knowledge that tonight we could have had not one, but two 50pt scorers if it were not for the Natt discriminating against his talent.
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The Dean (averaged 50.4pts/gm in 1961-62)
Yep, had to save him for the Boothman. Kevin, and the rest of these guys, are on doughnut and slippers duty until further notice.
 
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I didn't see the game, but looking at the box score, 26 free throw attempts for Martin? Wow. And none of them were in overtime. In the 2006 Finals, Wade only got up to 25 FTA at best.

In any case, we have now lost at least once to every team in the league this season except the Clippers, with one more game left against them. Checking the Clippers schedule, I think they have lost to every team in the league except Oklahoma, with one more game to go in that series also.
 
I didn't see the game, but looking at the box score, 26 free throw attempts for Martin? Wow. And none of them were in overtime. In the 2006 Finals, Wade only got up to 25 FTA at best.

The Warriors, and their crowd, were not amused let me tell you.
 
This truly has to be split into two grades - offensive and defensive. If cumulative, no way anybody on this team gets higher than a D. Or just give me pretty girls - either way is good.
 
This truly has to be split into two grades - offensive and defensive. If cumulative, no way anybody on this team gets higher than a D. Or just give me pretty girls - either way is good.

According to section 1, paragraph 2, the theme cannot be pretty girls.
 
JT seems to eat the Warriors alive. Didnt he have 15/10 in like 20 minutes in the triple overtime fiasco earlier in the season?

If more teams smallball'd he'd be putting up Dwight Howard numbers! Then again if more teams smallball'd Dwight would be putting up Wilt numbers..
 
All I can say is Phoenix outsucked us on defense, so we won. We barely managed to outsuck the Warriors on defense to lose. And now we get to play them both again. Whooppee! Prevent any children who plan or even hope to play basketball from watching these games. ;)
 
Udrih - 51min
Martin - 46min
Garcia - 44min
McCants - 38min

Hawes - 21min
Greene - 2min
Diogu - DNP

In a meaningless road game on the second night of a back to back. There's no excuse. Kenny Natt - F.
 
The ref's could call 200 fouls, but their not going to give Martin a call to win the game if he's jumping into a defender. And, if you take away the FT's, Martin isn't the scorer he is early in the game. Beno makes less than half of those crunch time layup, and Cisco well Cisco is clutch at the 3 if he can keep his toe off the line, but for a game winner it's still 50/50.

There is only one tough guy scorer on this team right now, someone who can take it to the rim and muscle up against 2 guys. I voted for McCants. If I'm putting the game in someones hand, it's not going to be some finesse guy, it's going to be the toughest scorer I can find.
 
I have to point out the obvious (which is most likely true). Seeing as there is no Wade, Kobe, Jordan, or LeBron on this list, we'll just assume Kevin's 50 is a bit of a fraud in comparison, and more justifiably belongs with the fluke 50's of these otherwise average NBA players.
 
I have to point out the obvious (which is most likely true). Seeing as there is no Wade, Kobe, Jordan, or LeBron on this list, we'll just assume Kevin's 50 is a bit of a fraud in comparison, and more justifiably belongs with the fluke 50's of these otherwise average NBA players.

I don't see how its a fluke...We all knew Kevin would do it, and He'll most likely do it again. I know that Kevin isn't Lebron, but he isn't Tony Delk either...
 
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Vernon Maxwell (scored 51pts on 1/26/91)
Career Stats: 12.8pts 2.6reb 3.4ast
Another player who eventually passed through Arco, Mad Max got his nickname for being basically nuts. And drunk (he was an alcoholic). And armed (he liked guns). He once pulled an Artest and charged into the stands after a fan. He assaulted refs. Had numerous run ins with the law, and generally made people too scared to guard him. Twice he averaged over 17ppg as a conscienceless gunner, and throw in being one of the great streak shooters of his ear, and you had the formula for a 51pt night early in his career.

I always felt just a little sorry for Maxwell. He was just another one of those players who was his own worst enemy by a long run. I always felt he could have really been truly good if the voices in his head had just whispered the right things...
 
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Mahmoud Abdul Rauf (scored 51pts on 12/7/95)
Career Stats: 14.6pts 1.9reb 3.5ast
We got an up close and personal look at this character for a couple of years in the mid-90s. He was certianly gunner enoguh to score 50, if a team ever let him take all those shots. Twice he averaged over 19 a game, and on one night, he was a 50pt man. Of course during all that time the guys he was guarding, and I use "guarding" loosely, were probably averaging 30.

Chris Jackson!

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^^^ I think what he means is if kevin can have a few 50 point games is he then just another jamal Crawford??
 
Having never seen Jamaal Crawford play, I took it to mean Jamaal Crawford is pretty good! (I'm more a fan of this board, and particularly this post than actually watching any games).
 
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