[Grades] Grades v. Warriors 03/24/12

[Gary]

It's no use slowing the pace down if your opponent still shoots at 50%.

That's my point.. A lot of people look at the final score and think because we allow 118 or whatever at 50% opponent shooting means we are a worse defensive team than allowing 95 points at 50% opponent shooting. It's the same in my book. It's just more fun to watch the 100+ scoring than a team that stands around and shoots with 3 seconds left on the shot clock.

I remember having the same argument with people back in the day we had a good team.. We had one of the best opponent FG% in the league yet we were near the bottom in PPG allowed because we were an up tempo team back then.

 

[steelevt]

after the first 2 preseason games. i felt that jimmer not only outplayed klay but seemed more nba ready. i dont know if it is jimmer regressing under smart or klay progressing more under jackson, but im disappointed when i see where both are at in there short rookie careers. both were behind 2 solid guards in the rotation but klay stepped up when needed and jimmer never seemed to step up when either thornton or tyreke were out. having a bunch of warriors fans as friends, i was warned about smart and how he dealt with steph curry but i'm still a believer when smart says he is grooming jimmer and he just needs time. but my patience is running out when i see klay go for career high against us of all people while jimmer is on the bench. i agree with most when they say jimmer has to earn his PT, but is he being put in a position to succeed? how come klay is getting all these double screens to get an open looks, while jimmers usually has to create his own shot? how come cisco or salmons are always at the corner usually missing the shot while jimmer is 3 feet off the 3 pt line at the top of the key? where was he when the warriors when to the zone and we couldnt get anything inside going? i just want him to be in a position to succeed to help the team like it seems what gs did with klay. if he doesnt, fine, bench him. but im not convinced turning him into a facilitator when he is a scorer.

 

[pshn80]

You guys must be fans no defense one on one halfcourt basketball then.

Were you watching before? There are all degrees of 'no defense' and 'one-on-one' basketball. We're improving.
Same as there are all sorts of dumb**** players. Ours are doing better. Some.

 

[Spok22]

Hilarious when you take shots at posters in your grades Brick.

 

[VF21]

You guys must be fans no defense one on one halfcourt basketball then.

I'm sorry if my fandom offends you. Feel free to criticize the team all you like. No one is saying you can't. I fail to see how my enjoyment of a game could possibly impact your view of said game. Geez...

 

[Spike]

We kinda started to slow them down with a full size lineup, wow what a concept.

We did this in the Utah game as well. Both times, we closed the gap but just didn't push it over. I wonder what the whole game would have looked like with Greene on Thompson and Hayes on Lee...

 

[VF21]

We did this in the Utah game as well. Both times, we closed the gap but just didn't push it over. I wonder what the whole game would have looked like with Greene on Thompson and Hayes on Lee...

Speaking of Thompson, had we had ours I believe we would have won.

 

[Spike]

Speaking of Thompson, had we had ours I believe we would have won.

Oh, I agree there. He's been a pretty important role player as of late, hasn't he?

I do give Smart a lot of grief for his lineups and in game decisions, (he seems to be learning on the fly), but I will give the staff kudos for the improvement of a lot of the individuals on this team, as well as the way they work as a unit. The aforementioned things? I don't feel like resurrecting Barbaro quite yet...but it's still early

 

[mac]

I think Tyreke's D is very good when his man has the ball. His off-ball defense is the area that needs improvement, but that involves more of a team effort, calling out screens and switching when he gets caught etc. Klay Thompson was just curling off screens, catching and shooting open jumpshots before Evans could get out to challenge them. Which is something we should be doing with Jimmer!!!

 

[Spike]

Oh, and I'm ashamed to say that the missus and I stopped at South of the Border one year, on the way to spring training. Putting it nicely, it's an absolute dump.

 

[kingsfan101]

Speaking of Thompson, had we had ours I believe we would have won.

To be fair, they were also without Curry and Bogut.

The point is about us not using our size. Part of the problem is that three of our guards (IT, MT and Jimmer) are small. Plus, we insist on playing Reke at 3, and worse, sometimes insist on playing Salmons/Cisco at 4.

Some of the issues, I can understand. You can't just bench the leading scorer and major outside threat like MT, without creating lack of offense, as well as potentially causing issues in the locker room. However, for once, I would like to see a starting lineup of Reke, Cisco/Salmons, Greene, Cousins and JT, and see how they perform on the defensive end. More importantly, the coaches need to impress upon MT the importance of focusing on the defensive side of the court. He is undisciplined and gambles too much. Finally, our transition defense is atrocious and needs serious attention from the coaching staff, and commitment from the players.

 

[Kingster]

To be fair, they were also without Curry and Bogut.

The point is about us not using our size. Part of the problem is that three of our guards (IT, MT and Jimmer) are small. Plus, we insist on playing Reke at 3, and worse, sometimes insist on playing Salmons/Cisco at 4.

Some of the issues, I can understand. You can't just bench the leading scorer and major outside threat like MT, without creating lack of offense, as well as potentially causing issues in the locker room. However, for once, I would like to see a starting lineup of Reke, Cisco/Salmons, Greene, Cousins and JT, and see how they perform on the defensive end. More importantly, the coaches need to impress upon MT the importance of focusing on the defensive side of the court. He is undisciplined and gambles too much. Finally, our transition defense is atrocious and needs serious attention from the coaching staff, and commitment from the players.

I did see on one play that Greene went for an offensive board, a very low probability offensive board, thereby leaving himself completely out of position to get back on D. This is precisely what Reynolds had talked about earlier - with GS you have to forego the offensive rebs if you're a wing player and get back on D. Greene should know this by now. I think he was looking for the spectacular offensive reb slam rather than doing the sensible thing.

 

[The_Jamal]

It's a matter of getting all 5 guys on the court to buy into playing defense on every possesion. They all are certainly capable of being great defenders and have shown it during certain moments of the last 20 games or so. But stuff like IT, Thornton and Reke refusing to play defense for 3 quarters and letting Klay Thompson and Nate Robinson look like superstars has to stop if we want to be a winning basketball team. Cousins also has to commit on that end as well. His offensive game is right on the verge of becoming totally dominant, but we don't see that same effort on the defensive end

 

[Kingster]

On Thornton: " Problem was at the toher end of the floor where he was just getting killed by Thompson on defense in the third. Just so undisicplined and just kep leaving him and leaving him as he bombed us back into the stone age from the 3pt line."

It's amazing that someone who was pure fail on defense could end up with a C- for the overall game. His offense must have been so spectacular that it made up for making Klay a HOFer.

 

[uolj]

On Thornton: " Problem was at the toher end of the floor where he was just getting killed by Thompson on defense in the third. Just so undisicplined and just kep leaving him and leaving him as he bombed us back into the stone age from the 3pt line."

It's amazing that someone who was pure fail on defense could end up with a C- for the overall game. His offense must have been so spectacular that it made up for making Klay a HOFer.

Yeah but the grades are curved based on expectations. Did you really expect Thornton to do that much better on D?

 

[Kingster]

Yeah but the grades are curved based on expectations. Did you really expect Thornton to do that much better on D?

Ahh, I didn't know we were grading on the curve. The logical extension of grading on the curve based on your expectations is that your defense can be very poor, but your defensive grades are all As because your expectations are so low. I don't think that works very well. I think if the guy fails, he fails, regardless of whether you expect him to fail or not.

 

[uolj]

Ahh, I didn't know we were grading on the curve. The logical extension of grading on the curve based on your expectations is that your defense can be very poor, but your defensive grades are all As because your expectations are so low. I don't think that works very well. I think if the guy fails, he fails, regardless of whether you expect him to fail or not.

Nah, grading on a curve makes sense. If you are absolutely horrible on defense in general, and you have a horrible defensive game, then you get a C (or C- or C+ or whatever). You'd actually have to show some good things that you normally don't do to get that defensive A.