Grades v. Warriors 03/17

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Bricklayer

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Peja ( B- ) -- solid professional first half for Peja -- looked to be just about the only King unaffected by the chaos of the first half and just went out and played his game. But the second half did not go as well. Started to try to take it inside in the third on posts and drives, and that's just not what he does well. Got quiet down the stretch again, and missed two big clutch shots in the final seconds that could have bailed us out. Played better defense on Richardson than any other King tonight, but did lose him for the game winner. Rebounding Watch: 4, but I did notice him in there a few times at least trying. Also picked up 7 assists -- nothing spectacular -- but had the ball in his hands a lot and was solidly distributing. If he can just come up with a big shot for us tonight, this is a pretty solid, pretty well rounded game. But missed them when we needed them.
Songaila ( C ) -- not much good happened in his first half minutes, either for him or the team. Hit a jumper, but the Warriors were totally ignoring him inside and attacking the rim at will. In the second half was very quiet again, but the team at least was doing better. Tough game to grade in a way because Darius was so quiet you just didn't notice anything he did one way or the other until the players he was guarding came crashing inside for O-boards or layups.
Skinner ( A- ) -- might have been the most ineffective first half Tut has had since he's been here. Game looked too fast for him, and he really wasn't able to make any impact at all. In fact Adonal Foyle had a, for Adonal Foyle, banner half. In the second half though Brian came out and really began to assert himself in the ways we've quickly become accustomed to. Down the stretch grabbed a couple of huge offensive rebounds on one play to keep us close. Didn't feel like he had the overall impact in this one that he has had in some of his recent games -- more of a classic scrapper's game picking up garbage and thrashing around. Pain in the butt, but not a dominant force. Still going to go with yet another "A-" game for him. Remarkably consistent double double machine for us right now. Same line almost every night out -- 14pts 11reds 2blks.
Mobley ( A- ) -- came out and immediately had his hands full with Jason Richardson, who sees us anymore and thinks "I'm the MVP!". But in the mid-2nd Cat made an absolutely huge trio of back-to-back-to-back threes that brought us back from the brink of the blowout. Without them we are toast. And in the second half Cat absolutely carried us for a long stretch bombing threes, and finally using his post game effectively -- i.e. against a small PG (Fisher) that he could back down (notably when Richardson switched back over on him, Cat's next post predictably failed). In the third Richardson starting giving Cat some of his own postup medicine, and we began to switch our defense to try to hide Cat elsewhere. Gave us some welcome help on the boards tonight -- actually basically our BEST boarder in the first half. Hard to tell whether he ran out of steam or the offense shifted away from him, but either way got quiet in the latter part of the 4th. Sure would have liked to have seen him take one of those last few clutch shots. Gets the minus for the defensive problems, but our best and most important player tonight.
Bibby ( D ) -- had his hands full and more with Baron tonight. Not so much that Baron was lighting it up as that he was slicing through our defense at will to set others up. And Mike never had much of a counter. The knee? Fatigue? Just running into one of the few PGs in the league who can claim to be more talented and more physical? Not sure. But for whatever reason Mike did not have himself much of a game. Did distribute decently, but just never a factor. Tried to hit a clutch three to bail us out, but not tonight.
Thomas ( A ) -- and once again Kenny Thomas comes in and badly outperforms Darius, raising the question again of how long the curent arrangement is going to be maintained. Gave us a strong second quarter and our only big man to get on the glass in the first half. Also continued to sprinkle in solid passes. In the second half returned and continued to hurt Golden State with the dreaded mid-range PF jumper which is nonetheless exactly what we want our PFs doing. And down the stretch we saw something new that seemed to take Golden State by surprise -- in a dogfight and in real danger, did we go Peja, or Mobley, or Bibby? No. We switched it up and went to Kenny Thomas as our goto guy, and he responded. Did miss the big one in the final 20 seconds though, and that was probably where we pressed our luck. Thomas has been in the league 6 years now and may never have taken that shot once.
House ( D+ ) -- well, Rick got Mike a little rest tonight, and Mike looked like he really needed it. Unfortunately, Eddie did absolutely nothing in his time in there in place of him. In the first half actively struggled on defense. In the second was solid in that he didn't hurt us, but silent. Brought the ball up the floor without mishap, but no highlights, no shots, no boards, no big plays. The line kind of says it all tonight: 15min 0pts 0reb 0ast. Just a waste.
Evans ( B- ) -- played a long stretch during the first half. Got hurt by Richardson, but not as bad as Cat, and helped us with a couple of athletic breakaway dunks. Also saved a layup in the open court in the second half by chasing down Baron from behind and poking the ball away -- notable just because our transition defense sucked so bad otherwise. But that was kind of it -- remember almost evey good play he made, and otherwise was quiet in his 20min.
Williamson ( D ) -- looked like a fish very much out of water in the wild first half. Got a long long stint -- not really sure why -- and really did nothing out there other than kind of spin around watching players fly by him on all sides. Looked like Rick thought about putting him back in to start the 4th and then pulled him back. Good call tonight.


Adelman ( B- ) -- Fun game to watch -- until the end. We lost control of the pace in this one early, and nearly got blown out. Made some good adjustments at halftime though, and controlled the pace, if not the game, therafter. Rick made good on his promise to get Mike some rest tonight -- and why not with the way Mike was playing. Unfortunately House wasn't able to do anything in his extra minutes, and I would not be surprised to see Mike's minutes go right back up off of this result. We made a couple of smart coaching moves, switching Peja onto Richardson, and using Mobley in the post vs. Fisher (of course we seem to post Mobley agaisnt anyone and everyone whether its a good idea or not, so maybe we just got lucky). But we quit riding Cat there at some point, and I really wish I knew why. He really only missed one shot (a post of Richardson after G.S. switched him back over) to get it started, and then rarely saw the ball therafter. The use of Kenny Thomas as a goto guy was an act of desperation, but it worked, so kudos. But we went to it one too many times, and our main guns were unable to bail us out with clutch play in the final seconds. We continue to find original ways to to get outrebounded -- as has been our season long pattern got 20rebs from our PF/C combo (Skinner/Thomas this time), and this time got some strong help from Cat as well. But then of course nobody else shows, and so we get beat badly again. And I would be perfectly happy to never ever see Jason Richardson again. We needed this one, but was not to be. Overall thought there was some good and some bad from Rick, but good enough to win if either Mike or Peja shows down the stretch.
 
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Like always, great grades. Looks like Bibby is fealing a little out of it now. Hopefully he will rebound. Other guys stepped up (Cat). Like what I am seeing, even with the loss.
 
Grades were fair once again.

As for Richardson, I never want to see his face again....darn he's annoying. His looks sorta reminds me of Finley.
 
PejaFanatic said:
Grades were fair once again.

As for Richardson, I never want to see his face again....darn he's annoying. His looks sorta reminds me of Finley.

I never want to see his face again, except if he is in a Kings uni!
 
vj9999 said:
What's the record for most consecutive A games? Skinner sure looks like a candidate there :)
I know^. I think you might have to adjust your scale for Skinner Brick, this guy is for real.
 
KP said:
I know^. I think you might have to adjust your scale for Skinner Brick, this guy is for real.

Well, this one was pretty close to a B+. Might have to wait until the summer to make the real adjustment, assuming Brian's back. :)
 
Bricklayer said:
Well, this one was pretty close to a B+. Might have to wait until the summer to make the real adjustment, assuming Brian's back. :)

If he doesn't come back we better get Big Ben in return.
 
solid grades as always Brick

Heartbreaker of a loss but there were a lot of bright spots...live and learn...we'll be ready for them on Sunday
 
Team grade: B (We may not have won, but it was exciting and fun to watch after the first quarter.)

As far as the grades go, I pretty much agree right down the line. I do think you're still being too hard on Peja, but that's just me I suppose. I saw more improvement tonight and I saw him getting more involved. I think the post was something RA wanted him to try, but I don't think it's gonna work. Peja just might be the shortest 6'10" SF on the planet.
 
Did Kevin Martin get ANY playing time at all? I think he needs it if they're looking for someone to put in when Bibby is out...I see great potential in him, he just needs some more playing time...

I'd also like to say "good game Cat!" I've been waiting for him to have a great game like that. Now if only we could all have one of those at the same time! :rolleyes: I would have liked to have seen the final second shot go to Cat, I know he hasn't exactly proven himself to be clutch but he had some good shots last night, I think.
 
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EmKingsFan4 said:
I know he hasn't proven himself to be clutch but he had some good shots last night

Quite the opposite actually -- has always been known as a guy who will stick you with that dagger shot. Will also be an idiot and force things at bad times, but if I'm drawing up a last second shot for somebody, and it does nto go to Bobby, my money would be on the Cat.
 
Bricklayer said:
Quite the opposite actually -- has always been known as a guy who will stick you with that dagger shot. Will also be an idiot and force things at bad times, but if I'm drawing up a last second shot for somebody, and it does nto go to Bobby, my money would be on the Cat.
So why do you think they didn't give him the ball in those final seconds....:confused:
 
I'll Go Along ...

Warriors get an "A" ... Richardson gets an "A+"

I'm just disappointed in my boy, Peja. Memories are great, but I wanna see the Peja from last year - NOW !!!

Memo to Peja - talk is cheap ... you gotta do it.

ps - a couple of those rebounds Peja got, came right to him ... no effort involved.

I'm hangin' in there ...

Man, Peja coulda won/tied-up this game .... that woulda been HUGE !!!!
 
I missed all but the last 5 minutes of the game (I moved), so I am relying on Grade and PBP threads for all my info here. Two things I noticed: last minute or two we missed enough shots to win 4 games not one and Skinner is for real. If he continues to play like this and then steps it up in the PO's, Brick's grading system will be severly stretched with all those A's. And that's a good thing.
 
I would have given both Bibby and Peja straight "B"s for effort and skills. I think that they were not over-matched, but had very difficult assignments under difficult circumstances. They tried, and enjoyed some degree of success. Baron Davis and Jason Richardson are apparently almost unstoppable on any given night. In fact, in the first half, most of the Warriors made their shots.

The Warriors deserved the win. The Kings had four opportunities to tie the game. Peja got two, Bibby one, and Thomas one. They missed shots, but nobody gave up. The Kings just lost. I can't get too excited over this loss. Stuff happens. We are still better off than the Lakers or the Timberwolves.

Adelman said before the game that his main concern was simply getting into the playoffs. I think he feels that his players will acquit themselves well with the possible return of Brad Miller and Bobby Jackson, and of course, after playing together for a few more weeks.
 
Peja is all fluff. when it gets down to CRUNCH TIME he puts his tail between his legs. He gave up the winning shot, and then blew our chance to tie with an absolutely inexcusable, pathetic shot attempt. He deserves an F for that last minute, which by the way is when the game was decided. Not in the first half, although somebody might want to tell Peja that.
 
Why blame Peja, Gilly? It was not his fault. Mike Bibby also missed his shot in the final seconds. Is it also his fault? And Thomas? Are you going to blame him as well. It makes no sense to blame one guy. I think it was just a hard fought loss with some bad luck moments. Peja also had 18 pts and some good hustle plays. Can he play better? HECK yeah, but it's not his fault we lost this game.



To tell you the truth, it should've been a 1 pt. game. In the 1st half, I wish I could remember who on the Warriors, but someone on the Warriors shot the ball and as it was bouncing off the rim another Warrior touched the net and then the ball fell in. They counted the shot. It should not have counted. It should've been a 1 point ballgame. Does anyone else remember what I am talking about?
 
no no no.

a ball bouncing in sometime in the first half does not matter. NBA games are decided in the fourth quarter. Peja's terrible decision making in the final thirty seconds sealed our fate. He didnt fight through the screen and Richardson got the open shot. Then he rushed the last shot like a player who never has been in a close game before. Peja dissapears during CRUNCH TIME. He crumbles when the going gets tough. I woldnt want him on my team, whether we were playing hoop or going to battle. PEJA HAS NO HEART!
 
I was very glad to see Stojakovic get a couple shots and draw the big defensive assignment in the last minute. I don't care that he missed the shots or that Richardson made his, I am not surprised. Wins in the regular season aren't that big of a deal, and I really want to see the team give him the opportunity to come through whenever crunch time comes around. Stojakovic is still a star member of the Kings, and the only way he will be able to develop his crunch time game is to just keep being a part of it. I trust Bibby and Mobley in the clutch, I want Stojakovic and even Miller to get those opportunities during the season to build up their confidence.

If the Kings are down by a point in the final seconds of the next 5 games, and Stojakovic gets the chance for the game winner in all five, I will be thrilled even if he only makes one of them.
 
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I have to defend Peja on this one. He did miss few shots at the very end, but 8+ minutes till the end JR had 38pts. Then Peja stayed on him and JR did not score until last 20 seconds. Whole game Mobley and Mo couldn't guard him at all.

Peja needs to work on his one on one game this summer as we all know, but he had realy solid game last night.
 
uolj said:
I was very glad to see Stojakovic get a couple shots and draw the big defensive assignment in the last minute. I don't care that he missed the shots or that Richardson made his, I am not surprised. Wins in the regular season aren't that big of a deal, and I really want to see the team give him the opportunity to come through whenever crunch time comes around. Stojakovic is still a star member of the Kings, and the only way he will be able to develop his crunch time game is to just keep being a part of it. I trust Bibby and Mobley in the clutch, I want Stojakovic and even Miller to get those opportunities during the season to build up their confidence.

If the Kings are down by a point in the final seconds of the next 5 games, and Stojakovic gets the chance for the game winner in all five, I will be thrilled even if he only makes one of them.
I don't recall him hitting any game-winners or game-tiers for the Kings this season. So far, the only person on the Kings that I trust in the clutch is only Bibby because he has proven it many times. I have seen Mobley hit many clutch shots for Houston but it's a brand new team for him.
 
bojan_pecanac said:
I don't recall him hitting any game-winners or game-tiers for the Kings this season. So far, the only person on the Kings that I trust in the clutch is only Bibby because he has proven it many times. I have seen Mobley hit many clutch shots for Houston but it's a brand new team for him.
To me, clutch situations is more than just game winning and game tying shots. Mobley has hit big shots in several games for the Kings already (the overtime victory over the Rockets comes to mind), plus it is more in his attitude.

Stojakovic, like Miller and Webber and Christie and Divac and most other players in the NBA, does not seem have the ice cold in the clutch mentality that it seems Mobley and especially Bibby have. I think he can learn it given the chance, and this is one instance where he really needs to be given the chance.
 
uolj said:
Stojakovic, like Miller and Webber and Christie and Divac and most other players in the NBA, does not seem have the ice cold in the clutch mentality that it seems Mobley and especially Bibby have.
The last 3 started to develop some form of clutch during their last few years here, still hope for the others.. for now
 
uolj said:
I was very glad to see Stojakovic get a couple shots and draw the big defensive assignment in the last minute. I don't care that he missed the shots or that Richardson made his, I am not surprised. Wins in the regular season aren't that big of a deal, and I really want to see the team give him the opportunity to come through whenever crunch time comes around. Stojakovic is still a star member of the Kings, and the only way he will be able to develop his crunch time game is to just keep being a part of it. I trust Bibby and Mobley in the clutch, I want Stojakovic and even Miller to get those opportunities during the season to build up their confidence.

If the Kings are down by a point in the final seconds of the next 5 games, and Stojakovic gets the chance for the game winner in all five, I will be thrilled even if he only makes one of them.

I was ok with it when we tried it on the roadtrip, but this begins to be a serious question -- in a playoff positioning dogfight, such as we are in now, how many can we or should we be willing to lose trying to force feed Peja? And unfortunately I think the answer there depends entirely on the very question we are trying to figure our -- whether Peja is a guy who just doesn't have "it", in which case we are just wasting our time and cheating our team of wins, or whether he does have "it" and just doesn't know it. Now obviously this Kings team would be far far better off if Peja DID have "it", and you want to find that out if at all possible. But we aren't an inexperienced team without a goto clutch player -- we already have one. And so its not the same thing as experimenting with a young player on a young team trying to figure out roles. Peja isn't that young, has had many chances over the years already, and every time we intentionally feed him in lieu of our big clutch guy it just has to leave us wondering "what if"?

At what point do you stop trying to make him into something he is not, and just move on and begin to plan according to what he is? Put another way, how many game winning shots should the Lakers entrust to Lamar Odom with Kobe on the roster?
 
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Great Grades! Mobley had a great game and deserved his grade and well bibby had a bad game and deserved the D, it looks like that knee is bothering after all...
 
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