Grades v. Warriors 01/08/10

Worst loss of the season?

  • Opening night vs. OKC (down 17 after 1, scored 89 in season opener)

    Votes: 1 1.4%
  • Minnesota road game (completely flat loss to a 3 win team)

    Votes: 4 5.8%
  • Lakers game #1 (double OT heartbreaker)

    Votes: 9 13.0%
  • Lakers game #2 (Kobe buzzer beater)

    Votes: 32 46.4%
  • Philadelphia home game (the easiest game in this stretch, did not come to play)

    Votes: 5 7.2%
  • Golden State road game (4th quarter collapse)

    Votes: 18 26.1%

  • Total voters
    69
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#1
Worst loss of the season. By far.

here's a stat of the night for you: Beno, Noc and Casspi: a combined 1-14 from the 3pt line

Udoka ( A- ) -- well, its good that we got to startg with this one before we hit the crap grades that are going to pepper the wall tonight. Ime got the surprise start, and Ime justified it in spades with what pretty much was his career game, at least statistically. 19pts (career high was 21) 14rebs (career high was 11) and basically the only King who could hit a wide open three point shot on the night. Started it right off splashing in a three in the early going to get us going, added a second three in the 2nd, and a nice pass to a slashing Reke. Bad turnover up top leading to an Ellis breakway. But able to repeatedly waddle down inside for boards against the weak lineup and get down inside for layins as well. For a half had a cap on Maggette as well, but lost control after half when he was moved around and his defensive impact was negligible. Missed an open three that we needed late in the third as the lead started to erode, but hit a big one in the mid 4th to temporarily stem the tide. Was in scrapping on the glass all night on both ends. Played no role down the stretch. And yes, career game and all, and have to respect the career game, big numbers etc. with a strong grade, but you can see about how far a player of Ime's level can carry you even on a career night and on this evening, its not a straight A. Still our overall best however and rewarded us for picking up his contract for the rest of the season with a very strong effort.

Thompson ( D+ ) -- should have had a dunk on our first possession courtesy of Reke, but then got it big time smushed by Turiaf. Came back with a big stuff late in the first leaving no doubt. Numerous follow attempts, but a whoe bunch of his touchless tip and flip misses too. Scooped up a loose ball and went end to end for the dunk. Nice pass over the top to get Casspi his only hoop of the night to start the third. Were actually running some of the offense through JT up top at times in the third, but that was shaky, and it was only got shakier as the game hit its stretch run. No touch inside as short hooks, tips, layins rolled off again. Bad interior pass down the stretch was picked off and forced Noc to foul to stop the break. Another bad pass for a turnover in the late 4th, and looked positively panicked out there in the late going with every drible being a potential turnover and every pass an adventure. Finished it off with one of his classic completely unnecessary offenive fouls at the 1:00 mark slamming his shoulder into Turiaf, and hard, to try to clear space and turning it over again as a result. Gets a little bit fo grade here for the early passing and more aggressive first half play. But this was all kinds of shaky, featured more terrible shooting, and a bunch of TOs as well. Most damning was that you had zero confidence he was going to do something right by the end of this one.

Hawes ( B+ ) -- and here was a bit of role reversal -- rather than being the guy you yell at coach to get out of the game, tonight Spencer was the guy you yell at coach for taking out. You wouldn't have known it to start however -- started the game but got two quick fouls and did not last 4 minutes before Brockman was in. Was back briefly in the second quarter and then gone agian before you even knew it. Something like 5 scoreless barely there first half minutes, althouh that was as much coach's decision as having anything to do with Spencer's play. In fact Brockman actually got the second half start, although his starting stint didn't last too much longer than Spencer's in the first half, and Spencer was back in fairly quickly. Soon after entering passed on a three to swing it to Beno for a three to push the lead back out. Got posted by Biedrins, who would not nromally be that confident with anybody else as an opponent, but Spence responded with a nifty up and under. Followed with a bricked three, and really until that point this grade was not this high and I guarantee you there were no calls echoing around this baord for more Spence. Then began his key stretch though, as hecame up with a good take off the glass to stop the bleeding in the late third, then a d-board, then an important rebound and finish to close the third and push us back out to 10. After a critical turnover that got us to 3, finally broke out the full post move repertoire with a beautiful series of moves to shake Turiaf and score over him. Came up with another key hoop to get the disappearing lead back from 3 to 5 and yet another good hoop again on the inside when we were only up 1 to push it back to the 3. Was using his size, coming up big, and legitimately in the early to mid 4th was basically the only reason why we hadn't already collapsed and lost the entire lead. And was rewarded for his strong play...by being benched as we went small, inserted a borderline incompetent JT on the night, and lost the game going away all the while never even looking in his direction. Which all qualifies as a rare but deserved big ole ? hanging over Westphal's head. Falling into the Nellie smallball trap is bad enough. Falling into it while your big center is your best player on the floor at the point you take him out is just mysterious. Spencer inspires little enough confidence that chances are he blows it even if given the opportunity. But he should have had it.

Casspi ( D ) -- ouch! So is David Thorpe like SI's cover? Getting spewed on by him leaves you cursed? Because it certianly was an irony that the day after Thorpe's controversial decision to bump Omri to the top of his rookie rankings IOmri came out and had one of his worst games in his young career. Trouble started early when he was clearly too slow to remotely guard Curry right from the opening shot of the game. Could get nothing going the other way, and got an offensive foul getting impatient about not getting the ball from Beno in the post against Watson. Good defensive boardwork in the early 2nd and was scrapping hard, at least for a bit, to counteract the offensive collapse for a bit. Started off the third quarter getting his only hoop of the night on a nice over the top feed from JT, but otherwise just kept missing. Play got no better late as he had a bad TO on the inside letting the Warriors get back to 3, bricked another open three that we needed, did come up with a good defensive play on the break on Ellis to briefly prevent them from taking the lead, but just could not get anything to fall, from outside, and looked botherd, as did many of the Kings, ball the gnats running around poking at them as the Warriors acutally turned up their defensive pressure (yes, you heard that right). Saves a little grade wiht the hustle -- always the best away to avoid really bombing out on your grade with me. But tonight when you called Omri "Bombri" it had an entirely different connotation.

Evans ( B- ) -- working the right post hard in the early goign, and was more dominant than the numbers showed before half. Was drawing triple teams at times, and then swigning it to beat them. Of course since Ime Udoka was basically our only other perimeter player who came to play, the end result of those swings was a whole lot of nothing -- Beno, Casspi and Noc combined for 1-14 from 3pt land tonight. Guys just weren't hitting therm. Jumper was on and off, but killed Ellis off the bounce and had the drive and dish game going. On the other end came up with a block on Ellis despite having to be careful foulwise against him in the early going, but in general normally had to guard Ellis by himself and while he came up with some great plays on him, he never did really control him, and of course in the wacky ball system Ellis is going to be able to shoot and shoot and shoot some more if he's feeling it. Got stripped on the final attempt of the half however, and ballhandling was a mysterious problem all night long for him. Wasn't even always pressure causing mishandles. Just seemed to be off, fumbling balls, not picking his dribble up cleanly on the pass, dribbled off his own foot twice, just uncharacteristic stuff. Despite having everythign but the kitchen sink thrown at him defensively, was just in such control out there in the early third that it made the way this on ended up even more painful. Seemed to tire a bit, and play from the late third onward was shaky at best. Turned his head once on Ellis letting him race down the lane. Then gambled for a steal in the backcourt to put us at an disadvantage on the other end. Too many TOs crept into his game, he dribbled off his foot in traffic after returning in the 4th, then forced a shot and had a bad reaction foul in the backcourt ala our old friend Brad. Did step up to hit a clutch three in the mid 4th -- I guess if your 3pt shooters are brcikign everything just do it yourself. Constantly doubled up top int he late going, but not always moving it quick enough (and when he did it was often to JT, which was out of the frying pan and into the fire stuff tonight). Forced a pretty drive past three peeps but not able to inish. Made a great steal at the 30 sec mark after we had almost completely blown the game, but then kind of summed up our late effort as he was harassed all the way up court, made not one, but two behind the back escape dribble attempts and finally turned it over again and fouled out ont he play. So...25pts 6ast 3stls...and yet in the end I'm not going to push this grade too high. Down the stretch finally looked like a rookie, and not able to step up and carry us out of the morass.
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#2
Bench

Brockman ( B- ) -- was in quickly for Spencer and had a good first stint -- started banging inside and got Turiaf into foul trouble, and even amazingly hit 4-4 FTs as well (was at 57 percent coming in). Got the second half start, but was not able to do much with it or get on the glass, and only lasted unti the mid 3rd before being replaced never to return.

Udrih ( C ) -- in the game and immediately hit a shot, then a second jumper getting us the 2 for 1before the end of the first quarter. Was maybe getting a little selfish in the early 2nd, but hey, he was hitting and hitting and exploded off the bench for 11pts in about 5 minutes and so I was going to overlook it. In and dropped in a three in the third to open the lead back out. But that was it for the positive contributions, and down the stretch he both played poorly, and the selfish bug popped up again as he went lookign for his own shots. At the end of the 3rd drove right into Turiaf and tunred it over, compounding it by fouling Turiaf and sending him to the line for to hit 2-2 FTs. Followed with a missed three. Just quit hitting in the 4th, and kept spotting up for bricked threes. Had a 24 second violation down the stretch where it looked like he jsut did not know the clock. Tehre was no steady and no clutch to this performance, and really after the early 11pt burst, did little to help for the final 30 minutes that he played in the game.

Nocioni ( C- ) -- oops - almost forgot about Noc. Well, took a lot of heat again as he chucked up 5 more threes and hit none of them, leading our teamwide brownout in that area, but it was not quite as useless an outing as all that. Had a nice give and go with JT near the end of the first quarter and was solid on Maggette (for the most part) on defense. But missed jumper after jumper in the early 2nd before finally getting inside for a pair of FTs. Gunned his way to a 2-8 half in only 12min as I don't think his shot attempts depend on his minuntes at all -- he will always get up his shots, not matter how short a stint you give him. Kept bricking threes in the third and despite his inieffectiveness got a lot of minutes as Westphal fell into the smallball trap, whic I think is part of the frustration.

Rodriguez ( INC ) -- came in and nice pass over the top to Noc in the post, then a crossover and drive to the alwyas open hoop. Forgotten about as the rest of our perimeted guys struggled, and only back in to hit a garbagetime layup. ALong with Hawes, maybe somebody we could have taken a longer look at.
 
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Worst loss of the season. By far.

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I agree. That loss was a paradign shift for me. The Kings are just not as good as we had all hoped. The true measure of a team is how they perform in the last part of a game when the real effort shows, and the Kings just aren't there. Now perhaps when Martin and Garcia return, but this loss = Kings overhyped to me.
 
#9
We were pounding them inside.

If we'd kept doing that and playing big we would have never given up that lead.

Painful.

*sigh*
 
#10
evans was the best on the court for most of the time but in the last minutes had some rookie mistakes.

in a certain point at the game we had momentum, they took a time and westphal should have stayed with his five who gave him this momentum but he got back with the starters, including casspi who had terrible night..

GS are a stupid young team, they made a lot of mistakes and we didn't take advantage, that is what happen when you think you got the game in your hands too early
 
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Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#11
Omri Crapspi- D-
Andres Crapioni= G-
Bano Udrih= C-

Omri had his worst game ever as a King. I think we jinxed him.

Why do we even let Noce suit up anymore? I'm pretty sure Sean May could have done more for us than him tonight.

Beno slowly played himself back into 2008 form tonight.
 
#12
Udoka gets the only passing grade.

Jason Thompson is weak as ****.

Westfail sucked again tonight. Nocioni is terrible, why don't you see this? What does brockman have to do get minutes? ****.

I don't want to hear "they're young" one time in here tonight. These guys are not adapting or learning anything.
 
#13
Jason Thompson is weak as ****.

Westfail sucked again tonight. Nocioni is terrible, why don't you see this? What does brockman have to do get minutes? ****.

I don't want to hear "they're young" one time in here tonight. These guys are not adapting or learning anything.

EXACTLY the young team excuse only flies for a few games if they wind up learning. Otherwise they're just a stupid team.
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#15
On the bright side, Spencer played pretty damn good tonight. I wonder why we went away from him in the last couple of minutes. He and the Brockster would have been a welcome sight.

On the negative side, we lost against the freakin' Warriors.

I can't help but wonder if having Donte would have made a difference. (It would have made Noce play less at least.)

When we get Kevin Martin back, we'll get another player that can help in crunch time, easing things up on 'Reke. We need him back soon.
 
#17
Really? I was not aware a team went from young to seasoned vets in less than half a season.

This game had nothing to do with them being young. It had to do with them not playing as hard and then when Westphal took Spencer out after he had 3 or 4 straight shots, and was playing well and we got a 7 point lead back. Then he tried to go small for no reason and it cost us the game. Had nothing to do with a young player loss. Heck half the guys who were playing terribly and making stupid decisions like Beno and Noc, those aren't young players. Playing smallball vs keeping 2 bigs in the game(Brockman and Spencer) cost us this game. Had nothing to do with a young team excuse.
 
#18
I have to admit, I didn't understand going small when it was playing big that got us the big lead. However, late in the game, the Warriors guards stepped up their harrassment and caused those turnovers. Big might have been worse.
 
#19
I have to admit, I didn't understand going small when it was playing big that got us the big lead. However, late in the game, the Warriors guards stepped up their harrassment and caused those turnovers. Big might have been worse.
Too bad the Kings couldn't step up their defense as well.
 
#20
I have to admit, I didn't understand going small when it was playing big that got us the big lead. However, late in the game, the Warriors guards stepped up their harrassment and caused those turnovers. Big might have been worse.

No I don't think it would've been worse. Just post Spencer up, get him the ball, and let him work. Their guards couldn't do anything about that. We played into what they wanted us to do by chucking up 3s and over dribbling and trying to run with them. Slow the game down, post them up, and get your big man a chance to get some rebounds at least. Westphal lost us the game.
 
#21
Omri Crapspi- D-
Andres Crapioni= G-
Bano Udrih= C-

Omri had his worst game ever as a King. I think we jinxed him.

Why do we even let Noce suit up anymore? I'm pretty sure Sean May could have done more for us than him tonight.

Beno slowly played himself back into 2008 form tonight.
Why? because he didn't hit the shots? he was fighting and he helped on the boards. How is this worse than the Chicago game?
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#22
Bricklayer said:
Udoka ( A- ) -- well, its good that we got to startg with this one before we hit the crap grades that are going to pepper the wall tonight. Ime got the surprise start, and Ime justified it in spades with what pretty much was his career game, at least statistically. 19pts (career high was 21) 14rebs (career high was 11) and basically the only King who could hit a wide open three point shot on the night. Started it right off splashing in a three in the early going to get us going, added a second three in the 2nd, and a nice pass to a slashing Reke. Bad turnover up top leading to an Ellis breakway. But able to repeatedly waddle down inside for boards against the weak lineup and get down inside for layins as well. For a half had a cap on Maggette as well, but lost control after half when he was moved around and his defensive impact was negligible. Missed an open three that we needed late in the third as the lad started to erode, but hit a big one in the mid 4th to temporarily stem the tide. Was in scrapping on the glass all night on both ends. Played no role down the stretch. And yes, career game and all, and have to respect the career game, big numbers etc. with a strong grade, but you can see about how far a player of Ime's level can carry you evne on a career night and on this evening, its not a straight A. Still our overall best however and rewarded us for pcikign up his contract for the rest of the season with a very strong effort.
Methinks it be worth staying up a bit longer... if only to see some of the comments that might come this way after a certain grade is posted. (And yes, that's me attempting to be diplomatic and subtle.)
 
#24
Because in Chicago we won.
You talked about his individual performance. He was on the side of the team that dug the 35 points deficit. Tonight he did not shoot well but there was a reason he was left in the game. In Chicago he was never back and deservedly so.
 
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Kingsguy881

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#25
Where was Brockman in the second half? We made our run with Brock doling out bruises.

Shameful coaching in this one. This could have been had, and as much as I like Westphal he has made a couple of eerily silly decisions.
 
#26
Bad loss by the Kings. This was a TEAM loss. Just about everyone played poorly. Even Udoka had some bad moments. I think that the Kings need to stay healthy to win. I think the margin for error is a lot smaller than people thought. Nocioni was really bad tonight. Beno had a poor game. When we were hucking up 3's and missing them all, that was the game right there. We really missed Greene tonight.

The ball movement died in the locker room at the half. The assists were non existent for half of the third and all of the fourth. The coaching was poor tonight. Should have had more Brockman because he was playing good on both ends. There should have been much less Nocioni. He was in a tailspin the whole night and took us down with him. Why he kept shooting is beyond me. Why he wasn't benched for poor play really bizarre. Hawes had a decent game. He played good defense but didn't get any rebounds...well he got 3. For a guy 7 feet tall, 3 rebounds is an embarrassment.

I am sure they will regroup and be ready for the Nuggets. This team is young and inconsistent. That is not an excuse, it's a fact. Hopefully they are learning while they are losing.
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#27
You talked about his individual performance. He was on the side of the team that dug the 35 points deficit. Tonight he did not shoot well but there was a reason he was left in the game. In Chicago he was never back and deservedly so.
But all individual performances add up to a team result and a team's results divide back into individual performances. Any time you get a W is better than any time you lose. I know you're a rampant Casspi fan but I'd rather he contribute by sitting on the bench in a win than by playing in a loss.
 
#28
Omri Casspi wasnt playin tonight, all the israeli fans over here aren't realy objective, maybe he was fightin and all.. but he had a realy bad game.

GO KINGS. this season got more 49 game, everything is possible with this young team.
 
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sactownfan

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#29
Really? I was not aware a team went from young to seasoned vets in less than half a season.
yeah no kidding.... without help on our frontline were a 30 game winning team right now... the lack of a true 5 is the death of us in alot of these games...

were missing K-mart... and tonight Greene.... Evans is still feeling his ankle injury... its not just magically all better....

WE KEEP USING YOUNG...... BECAUSE THEY ARE YOUNG!!!! FIND ME A TEAM THATS WON 50 GAMES WITH AN AVG STARTING AGE OF 21?

were in a position to win all of these games.... and most we SHOULD have won.... THATS ALREADY IN ITS SELF A MILLION TIMES BETTER THAN LAST YEAR!!!

EVERYONE needs TO chill OUT !!!!

this is Paul Westphals 1st season as a head coach
 
#30
yeah no kidding.... without help on our frontline were a 30 game winning team right now... the lack of a true 5 is the death of us in alot of these games...

were missing K-mart... and tonight Greene.... Evans is still feeling his ankle injury... its not just magically all better....

WE KEEP USING YOUNG...... BECAUSE THEY ARE YOUNG!!!! FIND ME A TEAM THATS WON 50 GAMES WITH AN AVG STARTING AGE OF 21?

were in a position to win all of these games.... and most we SHOULD have won.... THATS ALREADY IN ITS SELF A MILLION TIMES BETTER THAN LAST YEAR!!!

EVERYONE needs TO chill OUT !!!!

this is Paul Westphals 1st season as a head coach

No it's not.
 
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