[Grades] Grades v. Suns 4/3/12

[Lockehead]

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What did you just do there and why? You highlighted half of a sentence of mine, which completely changed its meaning, then proceeded to launch inot a full post about the altered meaning of the half sentence?

this was my full sentence:


Note the lack of punctuation in the middle of it -- that was my sneaky way of indicating I wanted it all read together at once to decipher its meaning.

BTW, an extended point that should really get a bigger forum: I think that Reke's lack of shooting is LESS important when he plays PG. Reason why? When you are the PG, you kick the ball. Its nice if the peole you kick it to at SG or SF can hit that open jumper. Additionally, if teams fall completely off of you as a PG, then it allows you great looks and free vision to all the passing lanes. If you don't pressure a passer, it smuch easier for him to beat you.

I simply responded to what you said.

As for the other point, although i agree, when you're a SG who's one of the best at getting to the rim and finishing, you also kick the ball. Same for the other stuff. But the PG position carries other duties as well aside from passing. I think that's where Reke gets confused and starts looking too passive, a lot of which we saw in his sophomore year.

 

[Gary]

The Kings should watch last night's game as an example of what not to do on defense.

So I was at the game last night.. What LOST the game for the Kings was turnovers leading to PHX points. Not the defense. Our D played actually pretty dang well most of the game. So I came home and looked at the stats and sure enough it reflected what I saw in person... 44% and like 29% 3pt. Both of those would be top 10 in yearly team stats.

 

[Gary]

The thread is about our bigs. What the hell does it have to do with Tyreke? We have enough threads for this now very boring crap! Let us stick to the subject even though I realize to some this team lives or dies on Tyreke. Or maybe it is more one's ego depends the most on winning an argument about Tyreke. Just don't **** up a thread that has nothing to do with him.





Edit: BTW, I direct this comment at everyone.

Pssh.. I won the argument already!!! jeez! Who said Tyreke wasn't a PG since day 1? I'm just messin with ya.

 

[Spike]

So I was at the game last night.. What LOST the game for the Kings was turnovers leading to PHX points. Not the defense. Our D played actually pretty dang well most of the game. So I came home and looked at the stats and sure enough it reflected what I saw in person... 44% and like 29% 3pt. Both of those would be top 10 in yearly team stats.

So, theoretically, without all those turnovers, could one say that the lineup was effective from a defensive/offensive standpoint of balance? Maybe. We still gave up 109, but maybe it's a lower scoring game without them. There's a positive takeaway then.

 

[Gary]

So, theoretically, without all those turnovers, could one say that the lineup was effective from a defensive/offensive standpoint of balance? Maybe. We still gave up 109, but maybe it's a lower scoring game without them. There's a positive takeaway then.

Well I know brick can probably look this up but we get into our offense much quicker now than we used to in the past (Brick, could you look up how many seconds left on the clock when we shoot if there is a stat like that?).. More posessions = more points which goes against us as well because the opponent gets more posessions as well which nets them more points. So from a defensive standpoint points allowed isn't a big deal. If I remember correctly our good teams in the early 2000s were near the bottom of the league in ppg allowed as well but we were near the top in opponent FGs.

Also, if Brick could look this up as well could you see our FG% month by month? I can't remember where you look for this.

EDIT: I did find a couple stats that are interesting...

Pre all star break we were last in FG% at 41%
After the all star break we are 7th in FG% at 46.5%

Pre all star break we were 18th in points scored at 94
After the all star break we are 2nd in the league at 106

Pre all star break we were last in assists at 17.3
After the all star break we are 16th in the league at 21.3

Pre all star break we were 14th in TOs at 14.1
After the all star break we are 17th in the league at 13.7 (averaged less, but so has the rest of the league)

Our offense is definitely better than it was before..

We are 1st in FG attempts both pre and post all star break at 84 and 89 respectively. It's just we are taking 5 more shots but hitting 7 more shots than we were before the all star break.

We made 34 shots per game before the break which was near the bottom, and after the break we are hitting 41 which is second in the league..

 

[Glenn]

Now we need to add defense and TWill was a great acquisition to that end. I'm sure players love to score so this keeps the morale up but it will be the addition of defense that will move us into the playoffs. We'll see if Smart is smart enough. (Sorry )

 

[OnYouLikeGlue]

Well I know brick can probably look this up but we get into our offense much quicker now than we used to in the past (Brick, could you look up how many seconds left on the clock when we shoot if there is a stat like that?).. More posessions = more points which goes against us as well because the opponent gets more posessions as well which nets them more points. So from a defensive standpoint points allowed isn't a big deal. If I remember correctly our good teams in the early 2000s were near the bottom of the league in ppg allowed as well but we were near the top in opponent FGs.

Also, if Brick could look this up as well could you see our FG% month by month? I can't remember where you look for this.

EDIT: I did find a couple stats that are interesting...

Pre all star break we were last in FG% at 41%
After the all star break we are 7th in FG% at 46.5%

Pre all star break we were 18th in points scored at 94
After the all star break we are 2nd in the league at 106

Pre all star break we were last in assists at 17.3
After the all star break we are 16th in the league at 21.3

Pre all star break we were 14th in TOs at 14.1
After the all star break we are 17th in the league at 13.7 (averaged less, but so has the rest of the league)

Our offense is definitely better than it was before..

We are 1st in FG attempts both pre and post all star break at 84 and 89 respectively. It's just we are taking 5 more shots but hitting 7 more shots than we were before the all star break.

We made 34 shots per game before the break which was near the bottom, and after the break we are hitting 41 which is second in the league..

Perhaps the most telling stat of how this team is playing, and has improved since the all star break

Pre all star break the Kings point differential was -7.9
After the all star break the Kings point differential is -1.4

 

[Tetsujin]

Hate to say this but it has to do with the team and why they lost, really. And they didn't lose because of BOOGIE MONSTER, they lost because his wingman didn't show up and hasn't scratched the improvement BOOGIE MONSTER has in less time.

No we lost because our team plays swiss cheese defense at best.

 

[Spike]

Gary, Not quite what I was getting at, but it's late for me.

 

[pshn80]

BTW, an extended point that should really get a bigger forum: I think that Reke's lack of shooting is LESS important when he plays PG. Reason why? When you are the PG, you kick the ball. Its nice if the peole you kick it to at SG or SF can hit that open jumper. Additionally, if teams fall completely off of you as a PG, then it allows you great looks and free vision to all the passing lanes. If you don't pressure a passer, it smuch easier for him to beat you.

Brick, you are right about this point needing a bigger forum and I would like to see it when you're ready. I agree with your basic point here that Tyreke's lack of outside shooting ability is less important at the PG position than it is at the 2 or 3. The rest of the questions that that fact brings up are the ones I'd like your views and opinions on, and I'd like to discuss. I'm not confident I have the answers but I do have opinions and questions. And it's sort of key to the use you and I would make of Evans in the future.

 

[rainmaker]

Hate to say this but it has to do with the team and why they lost, really. And they didn't lose because of BOOGIE MONSTER, they lost because his wingman didn't show up and hasn't scratched the improvement BOOGIE MONSTER has in less time.

Cuz is a beast, the quickest learner I've seen in quite some time, and I'm not sure should be the standard for development. He's a rare exception.

Something else Cuz has going for him is he's being played at his best position, is being fed the ball consistently and has a coach who appears to be banking his success as a coach on riding Cuz's coat tales. Be Cuz's BFF and he won't get fired. And Cuz is playing great, phenomenal basketball, but it's clear to me Smart is concentrating a lot on developing a select few players rather than the majority, but I think that stems from him not being able to develop or correctly use a player that doesn't fit his style.

Compare that to Reke who's constantly being yanked around, having his role changed, not being involved in the offense or having plays run for him, having Smart making contradictory statements to the media almost every time he speaks about Reke and it's no wonder his development has been hindered. Now I've been critical at the lack of development on Rekes behalf of certain part of his games, namely is left(which has improved), and needing a floater, runner, pullup, whatever, just something he can go to in that 3-10ft distance from the rim, but I don't think anyone cay sit here and say this organization has done even a halfway decent job developing him.

 

[Mal]

Reke's worst position is point where his opponents, on average, are 50% more productive than Evans. His best position is SG where there's almost no difference in his production at that of his opponents. (Slightly favoring opponents)

 

[mac]

Reke's worst position is point where his opponents, on average, are 50% more productive than Evans. His best position is SG where there's almost no difference in his production at that of his opponents. (Slightly favoring opponents)

Where do guys like you pop out from, seriously? Welcome to the board!

 

[Bricklayer]

Where do guys like you pop out from, seriously? Welcome to the board!

His IP says Seattle, Washington, IT played college ball in Washington, his posts concentrate on attacking Reke and Jimmer. I would say he is the board's first Isaiah player fan. All the normal traits.

 

[Spike]

Reke's worst position is point where his opponents, on average, are 50% more productive than Evans. His best position is SG where there's almost no difference in his production at that of his opponents. (Slightly favoring opponents)

Do those players even guard Evans?
Does Evans guard opposing PGs?
The question is mostly rhetorical, as the answer is usually NO.

 

[Section 101]

Compare that to Reke who's constantly being yanked around, having his role changed, not being involved in the offense or having plays run for him, having Smart making contradictory statements to the media almost every time he speaks about Reke and it's no wonder his development has been hindered. Now I've been critical at the lack of development on Rekes behalf of certain part of his games, namely is left(which has improved), and needing a floater, runner, pullup, whatever, just something he can go to in that 3-10ft distance from the rim, but I don't think anyone cay sit here and say this organization has done even a halfway decent job developing him.

His role has been the same since moving to SF the past month and a half. There has been consistency there just not in his game. Please explain why his March numbers weren't his best since Feb of his rookie year.

 

[mac]

His IP says Seattle, Washington, IT played college ball in Washington, his posts concentrate on attacking Reke and Jimmer. I would say he is the board's first Isaiah player fan. All the normal traits.

Naise. Always welcome diversity. Bring on the Tyler Honeycutt fans yo!

 

[ppine]

I like Gary's post which highlights the evolution of the offense.All you stat lovers out there - please devote the same level of scrutiny to the defense which is the problem. We can all agree that Cousins is not the problem and a huge asset to be proud of. Williams looks great, and is benefitting from playing with Thomas because they go back to the playground days in Seattle. Both are men of faith. That should help with Williams' attitude. I have a new name for the Kings with Evans at PG - "Slow ball"

 

[Bricklayer]

I like Gary's post which highlights the evolution of the offense.All you stat lovers out there - please devote the same level of scrutiny to the defense which is the problem. We can all agree that Cousins is not the problem and a huge asset to be proud of. Williams looks great, and is benefitting from playing with Thomas because they go back to the playground days in Seattle. Both are men of faith. That should help with Williams' attitude. I have a new name for the Kings with Evans at PG - "Slow ball"

Er...Reke and Wiliams are the two guys who have appeared to have chemsitry together out there. If anythign I think IT has a tendency to neuter Williams same way he does Reke, just by dominating the ball. No idea of course what effect IT's presence is having on Terrence in the lockerroom. Also no idea what being "men of faith" has to do with anything, but its generally something we avoid going into around here to stave off problems.

Cousins BTW, is clearly emerging as the franchise...but he's stil part of the defensive problem at this point. One of the reasons it is so key to reverse the Chuckwagon debacle thsi summer and get ourselves back a long mobile shotblocker to play next to him and plug that middle.

 

[Gilles]

What you call "Slow ball' is the most effective way to play in playoffs because when your team is too dependent on your distributing PG to create offense for them smart opponents allow your PG to create offense for himself with single coverage shutting down the rest of the team on the way. Cousins will soon be able to consistently create shots for himself and won't need much help from PG, you just have to give him the ball when he's in position. Evans does the same but he needs shooters for better spacing much more than Cousins because he's not as versatile, maybe even one-dimensional. Thing is opponents can't do anything with that dimension when you have good spacing and ask Evans to be your SECOND shot-creator.

 

[Bricklayer]

What you call "Slow ball' is the most effective way to play in playoffs because when your team is too dependent on your distributing PG to create offense for them smart opponents allow your PG to create offense for himself with single coverage shutting down the rest of the team on the way. Cousins will soon be able to consistently create shots for himself and won't need much help from PG, you just have to give him the ball when he's in position. Evans does the same but he needs shooters for better spacing much more than Cousins because he's not as versatile, maybe even one-dimensional. Thing is opponents can't do anything with that dimension when you have good spacing and ask Evans to be your SECOND shot-creator.

On the "slowball" point/complaint. People keep on making it. I think its because they don't actually know how you win in the NBA. Last 10 champions shots/gm and NBA rank:

2011 DAL 80.8 shots/gm (16th in NBA)
2010 LAL 83.8 shots/gm (8th in NBA)
2009 LAL 85.1 shots/gm (4th in NBA)
2008 BOS 76.7 shots/gm (30th in NBA)
2007 SAS 77.2 shots/gm (27th in NBA)
2006 MIA 77.5 shots/gm (19th in NBA)
2005 SAS 78.7 shots/gm (21st in NBA)
2004 DET 77.0 shots/gm (27th in NBA)
2003 SAS 76.8 shots/gm (28th in NBA)
2002 LAL 83.4 shots/gm (8th in NBA)
2001 LAL 81.5 shots/gm (11th in NBA)
2000 LAL 83.4 shots/gm (11th in NBA)

We have averaged 89.2 shots/gm since the All Star break (86.5 overall). Teams looking to win big do not play that fast. Their hallmarks are controlling pace and execution.

 

[Section 101]

On the "slowball" point/complaint. People keep on making it. I think its because they don't actually know how you win in the NBA. Last 10 champions shots/gm and NBA rank:

2011 DAL 80.8 shots/gm (16th in NBA)
2010 LAL 83.8 shots/gm (8th in NBA)
2009 LAL 85.1 shots/gm (4th in NBA)
2008 BOS 76.7 shots/gm (30th in NBA)
2007 SAS 77.2 shots/gm (27th in NBA)
2006 MIA 77.5 shots/gm (19th in NBA)
2005 SAS 78.7 shots/gm (21st in NBA)
2004 DET 77.0 shots/gm (27th in NBA)
2003 SAS 76.8 shots/gm (28th in NBA)
2002 LAL 83.4 shots/gm (8th in NBA)
2001 LAL 81.5 shots/gm (11th in NBA)
2000 LAL 83.4 shots/gm (11th in NBA)

We have averaged 89.2 shots/gm since the All Star break (86.5 overall). Teams looking to win big do not play that fast. Their hallmarks are controlling pace and execution.

We currently are 27th in FG% at .432. We are second in offensive rebounds at 13.7/ game. If we increase our FG% which will decrease our offensive rebounds we now have taken less shots/game, but increased our efficiency.

Bet if you looked at your list of teams they are in the upper areas for FG%. High FG% also helps your defense by limiting fast breaks for the other team which will slow the pace some too.

 

[Mal]

Did you really expect the Kings to compete for a championship? It's an entertainment business. Watching a team that scores a great deal is better than watching a team that plugs along....when both don't yet have the horses to win.

 

[Mal]

Terrible. How unreasonable to "attack" with facts. I don't care much about Jimmer. In fact, my namesake (mother's brother) has book written about him dedicated to a Fredette who I presume it related. As far as Evans. I haven't been on this board very long, but it's your unfounded comments about Thomas and unreasonable promotion of Evans that prompted me to comment. The facts clearly belie your apparent agenda.

PS: I know Petrie's ex-wife and his twin daughters and their former Step-father. I know the ex-wife better than the girls...though I had a long talk with one. I was there when the step-father bought them each a porche boxer for their 16th. And, while the step-father was showing me the cars, Damon Stoudamire pulled up next to us (in Lake Oswego OR.) He was test driving a boxter.

Petrie's ex sat down next to me in a restaurant bar and leaned over and asked me to pretend we were making out. Her ex-husband to be was in the restaurant and she was trying to make him jealous. He and I later had a good laugh over it.

 

[Heuge]

Did you really expect the Kings to compete for a championship?

Yes.

 

[Bricklayer]

Terrible. How unreasonable to "attack" with facts. I don't care much about Jimmer. In fact, my namesake (mother's brother) has book written about him dedicated to a Fredette who I presume it related. As far as Evans. I haven't been on this board very long, but it's your unfounded comments about Thomas and unreasonable promotion of Evans that prompted me to comment. The facts clearly belie your apparent agenda.

PS: I know Petrie's ex-wife and his twin daughters and their former Step-father. I know the ex-wife better than the girls...though I had a long talk with one. I was there when the step-father bought them each a porche boxer for their 16th. And, while the step-father was showing me the cars, Damon Stoudamire pulled up next to us (in Lake Oswego OR.) He was test driving a boxter.

Petrie's ex sat down next to me in a restaurant bar and leaned over and asked me to pretend we were making out. Her ex-husband to be was in the restaurant and she was trying to make him jealous. He and I later had a good laugh over it.

Yes, well I know Smart's mother's brother's TV repairman's 2nd cousin Ethel, and she was telling me...

 

[PurpleHaze]

Yes, well I know Smart's mother's brother's TV repairman's 2nd cousin Ethel, and she was telling me...

But did you make out with or pretend to make out with Ethel?

 

[Spike]

But did you make out with or pretend to make out with Ethel?

No. Delonte got to her first..

 

[Glenn]

No. Delonte got to her first..

That's heart breaking!!!

 

[BMiller52]

Yes, well I know Smart's mother's brother's TV repairman's 2nd cousin Ethel, and she was telling me...

this, lol? Even if all that is true I could never believe it. Petrie's ex asked you to make out with her to make him jealous and then you laughed with him about it? What is this a soap opera? That doesn't even make sense man... lol and you just coincidentally somehow have a connection to Jimmer's family as well, and met Damon Stoudamire? lolol