[Grades] Grades v. Suns 3/25/2015

Who did his job the best?

  • Casspi

    Votes: 2 5.9%
  • Cousins

    Votes: 5 14.7%
  • McLemore

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • McCallum

    Votes: 6 17.6%
  • Williams

    Votes: 1 2.9%
  • Nik Sauce Castillo

    Votes: 17 50.0%
  • Miller

    Votes: 3 8.8%

  • Total voters
    34
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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See? SEE?? I tried to warn the Suns about our epicosity after our awesome Philly beatdown, but did they listen to us? NOOOOOOO. Came out flat as a fashion model, and while we weren't really at full epic level ourselves, we got enough team play and little contributions (becoming more common) to notch the first really semi-impressive victory on our 4 game streak. Lot of willing passing, lot of guys contributing something. Only Cuz was consistently good, but even for him it wasn't a tremendous individual game (24-11 = ho hum). Just a good team win, and the first one over a good team who needed a win (not that they played like it). The Philly win wasn't much to build on, but this one felt sustainable enough that there's no reason we can't play this way over the weekend.

Technical difficulties meant I could not get out the grades last time, so I'll be going back tonight/tommorrow and adding the Philly game grades in as well. Shorter for each I suppose, but something for both.

In order to counter the lingering grades issue, I'm also going to start a new one line summation tradition, and get those up the night of, and add the details later.



Boxscore

Stats: 29min 14pts (3-7, 0-3, 8-9) 4reb 5ast 1stl 0blk 3TO
Gay ( C+ ) -- Rudy was nearly the only King who did not have himself a game this time. In fact in the first half he was barely part of the proceedings as all as he uncharacteristically got himself into foul trouble. But even when back he was rarely a focus. And with the ball moving well and the Suns barely interested in stopping it, we just didn't need him to be. He started the game off getting not 2, but 3 FTS on a bizarre early tech to Hornacek to go with being fouled, and FTs would be most of his scoring on the night. There was a surge in the late second before redisappearing with fouls. And then for the remainder of the game he largely contented himself as a passer helping grease the wheels of the offense for other guys. this was no star level performance, Rudy was not a big impact guy this time, certainly not at the level he's been playing at, but he was not a drain either.

Stats: 28min 10pts (4-10, 2-4, 0-0) 2reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
Casspi ( C+ ) -- Omri had a quiet game in this one, but a contributing one in the open court where he leaked out for easy ones, and sometimes not so easy ones. His drives rarely resulted in hits in this one, but he knocked down several threes and kept it simple. Three, drive to the rim, pass. That was it. Now the problem was on the other end was that Omri wasn't really on the glass, and the Morris twins combined for over 40pts. But so many of them were in the open court or on switches, that it was hard to pin that productivty on any one King. And Omri had almost nothing to do with Markieff's game, who largely just pummeled DWill. So no defensive impact here, but not the spanking you might guess from the boxscore.

Stats: 37min 24pts (11-19, 0-0, 2-3) 11reb 3ast 2stl 1blk 5TO
Cousins ( B ) -- well for a long time to start this game you were worried this could turn out to be one of those tired Cuz games where a lesser opponent, and a BIG lesser opponent, was able to push and shove on his tired legs and force him into inefficiency. But after an unproductive first quarter, salvaged by the fact his jumper was on tonight, Cuz began to get into the game offensively late in the first half, working with the two Macs to hold our nearly gamelong lead at 5-8 points, and rapidly scoring 10 points inside and out, including the final jumper of the half with 5 seconds to go. It would not be until after when his full game really kicked in, and he was just flat better than anybody else on the floor. The rebounding picked up, his kicks out of the double team, a bit missing as he tried to force the as kick on Noel vs., Philly, were online and hitting guys in rhythm, and if he missed a few jumpers and made a few turnovers trying to set people up, they were coming from the right place. When the team forgot about him for a stretch in the late quarter when we began to fade a bit, out of the timeout Karl drew a play that got him a dunk from Rudy. Meanwhile Len disappeared due to foul trouble, and Brandon Wright had no chance to stop him physically. That left the Suns at times having to try to have burly PJ Tucker push and shove with Cuz. In the end that fear of inefficiency never materialized. There were too many turnovers of course, that still needs to be cleaned up. But Cuz turned what looked to be a competitive battle in the middle early into a second half of King King vs.a bunch of liliputians. He never did quite dominate, but on the second half of a back to back he just calmly dropped in his season averages of, ho hum, 24pts 11reb 3ast on an efficient 11-19. It was easy and more than enough against a Suns team that never played like their heart was in this whole playoff chase.

Stats: 29min 12pts (5-9, 2-5, 0-0) 2reb 3ast 2stl 0blk 1TO
McLemore ( C+ ) -- Ben was having another one of "those games" where it was just a mystery. There was nothing for 9 minutes, then he scored back to back hoops in the first on the break and on a nifty little cradled drive, then nothing again until Cuz set him up late in the half. And then nearly a full half of nothing as our starting SG was once again sitting on 6pts, he'd missed all his threes, and his backup was outplaying him. On defense he was actually overpowered at times BY Tucker -- a number of teams have gone at that this year, and maybe Ben needs to work on leg strength or some such -- but Tucker missed almost everytime so it was a wash and actually helped us. Then suddenly with the Suns finally making a little push, with 4 minutes to go it was the invisible man who stepped up and abruptly hit 2 big three pointers in the space of a minute and a half to hold them back. You just never know with Ben.

Stats: 31min 14pts (6-11, 0-1, 2-2) 5reb 5ast 1stl 1blk 2TO
McCallum ( A- ) -- Ray really was good throughout this one, one of his better games really, and it was only one of those Miller/DWill stretches in the late 3rd/early 4th that cut his minutes back some. Young legs, perhaps, but while Rudy and Cuz got off to sluggish starts, Ray was racing around from the beginnning, and generally outshining Bledsoe. There were relatively few mistakes or forces, and he was setting guys up, Ben and Omri in particular, for easy shots at the rim. In the third Bledsoe began to wake up a bit, and when Ray did not respect his jumper, Bledsoe drained back to back threes on us to close that lead right back down to 4. But we fended that little mini-push off as well, and Ray was still running things competently. The Miller/DWil connection (strong enough that I am not sure I would bother bringing back 1 without the other next year) did keep him on the bench for a long stretch of the late 3rd/early 4th, but he was still steady when he returned. This was no star turn, but it was one of his most solid run the team outings. Squinch your eyes and you could almost imagine this as a standard Collison game.
 
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still fighting technical difficulties, still WILL get them all up :p

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Michael Kidd-Gilchrist... Check.
John Wall... Check.
Nerlens Noel... DOUBLE Check.
Eric Bledsoe... Check.

Next stop on Boogie's UK Beat-Em-Down tour:

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James Harden MASSACRED him and Asik earlier tonight with a tomahawk.


I'm sure Boogie will have no rpoblem!
 
Every single year like clockwork we go on a mini run of meaningless wins at the end of the season and every single year we end up picking 5th-8th in the draft. We missed out on Nerlens Noel by 1 game two years ago. The year before that the NBA owned New Orleans Hornets pulled one of the most epic tanking performances I've ever seen. Despite resting nearly all of their NBA quality talent they found themselves leading by 8 going into the fourth quarter on the last game of the year so they scored 6 points in the 4th quarter, lost to Houston by 7, finished one game worse than us in the standings, and drafted Anthony Davis. We ended up drafting 5th overall. Every single year people tell me that wins are more important than the draft and every single year I watch other teams draft franchise talents and progress to the playoffs while these mini runs have no impact at all on our performance the following season (25 wins, 24 wins, 22 wins, 28 wins, 28 wins, 26 wins and counting).

I am happy the team is finally playing well. Presumably the presence of George Karl and Boogie Monster means things could be different this time. But one top 3 lotto pick takes us from dreaming of an 8 seed and a first round playoff exit to full-blown contender and every one of these end of the year wins makes that more and more statistically unlikely. Almost every franchise besides ours understands the value of tanking. Even the NBA itself is designed to reward it. The owners took a vote this year to consider the possibility of not rewarding tanking and it was turned down. So as long as the owners themselves believe tanking is what's best for the game (well, most of them anyway...) I'm going to continue to shake my head as we shoot ourselves in the foot year after year after agonizing year.
 
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We can also argue that other teams' tanking got us Cousins!!

Every single year like clockwork we go on a mini run of meaningless wins at the end of the season and every single year we end up picking 5th-8th in the draft. We missed out on Nerlens Noel by 1 game two years ago. The year before that the NBA owned New Orleans Hornets pulled one of the most epic tanking performances I've ever seen. Despite resting nearly all of their NBA quality talent they found themselves leading by 8 going into the fourth quarter on the last game of the year so they scored 6 points in the 4th quarter, lost to Houston by 7, finished one game worse than us in the standings, and drafted Anthony Davis. We ended up drafting 5th overall. Every single year people tell me that wins are more important than the draft and every single year I watch other teams draft franchise talents and progress to the playoffs while these mini runs have no impact at all on our performance the following season (25 wins, 24 wins, 22 wins, 28 wins, 28 wins, 26 wins and counting).

I am happy the team is finally playing well. Presumably the presence of George Karl and Boogie Monster means things could be different this time. But one top 3 lotto pick takes us from dreaming of an 8 seed and a first round playoff exit to full-blown contender and every one of these end of the year wins makes that more and more statistically unlikely. Almost every franchise besides ours understands the value of tanking. Even the NBA itself is designed to reward it. The owners took a vote this year to consider the possibility of not rewarding tanking and it was turned down. So as long as the owners themselves believe tanking is what's best for the game (well, most of them anyway...) I'm going to continue to shake my head as we shoot ourselves in the foot year after year after agonizing year.
 
Every single year like clockwork we go on a mini run of meaningless wins at the end of the season and every single year we end up picking 5th-8th in the draft. We missed out on Nerlens Noel by 1 game two years ago. The year before that the NBA owned New Orleans Hornets pulled one of the most epic tanking performances I've ever seen. Despite resting nearly all of their NBA quality talent they found themselves leading by 8 going into the fourth quarter on the last game of the year so they scored 6 points in the 4th quarter, lost to Houston by 7, finished one game worse than us in the standings, and drafted Anthony Davis. We ended up drafting 5th overall. Every single year people tell me that wins are more important than the draft and every single year I watch other teams draft franchise talents and progress to the playoffs while these mini runs have no impact at all on our performance the following season (25 wins, 24 wins, 22 wins, 28 wins, 28 wins, 26 wins and counting).

I am happy the team is finally playing well. Presumably the presence of George Karl and Boogie Monster means things could be different this time. But one top 3 lotto pick takes us from dreaming of an 8 seed and a first round playoff exit to full-blown contender and every one of these end of the year wins makes that more and more statistically unlikely. Almost every franchise besides ours understands the value of tanking. Even the NBA itself is designed to reward it. The owners took a vote this year to consider the possibility of not rewarding tanking and it was turned down. So as long as the owners themselves believe tanking is what's best for the game (well, most of them anyway...) I'm going to continue to shake my head as we shoot ourselves in the foot year after year after agonizing year.


To be fair, picking 5-8 this year still gives you a good contributor like WCS, who quite possibly is the most defensively versatile big man I've seen come out of college in at least a decade, Stanley Johnson, or Justice Winslow. Hell, there's always a chance that one of the big 4 at the top of the draft slides down (possibly Mudiay) and is there for the picking.

Of all the years to be mired in the 5-10 no man's land, this year is possibly least crapty.
 
Nowhere else to whine about this, but if Cousins is to be believed he has committed approximately 10-20 fouls in his entire NBA career.

In more positive news, SAUCE CASTILLO!
 
All of the above should have been a vote. Seven Kings in double fogures and 27 assists is everyone stepping up but Nik the Sauce does have better all around game and BBIQ. Will go back a tic on RayMac in pool.
 
Every single year like clockwork we go on a mini run of meaningless wins at the end of the season and every single year we end up picking 5th-8th in the draft. We missed out on Nerlens Noel by 1 game two years ago. The year before that the NBA owned New Orleans Hornets pulled one of the most epic tanking performances I've ever seen. Despite resting nearly all of their NBA quality talent they found themselves leading by 8 going into the fourth quarter on the last game of the year so they scored 6 points in the 4th quarter, lost to Houston by 7, finished one game worse than us in the standings, and drafted Anthony Davis. We ended up drafting 5th overall. Every single year people tell me that wins are more important than the draft and every single year I watch other teams draft franchise talents and progress to the playoffs while these mini runs have no impact at all on our performance the following season (25 wins, 24 wins, 22 wins, 28 wins, 28 wins, 26 wins and counting).

I am happy the team is finally playing well. Presumably the presence of George Karl and Boogie Monster means things could be different this time. But one top 3 lotto pick takes us from dreaming of an 8 seed and a first round playoff exit to full-blown contender and every one of these end of the year wins makes that more and more statistically unlikely. Almost every franchise besides ours understands the value of tanking. Even the NBA itself is designed to reward it. The owners took a vote this year to consider the possibility of not rewarding tanking and it was turned down. So as long as the owners themselves believe tanking is what's best for the game (well, most of them anyway...) I'm going to continue to shake my head as we shoot ourselves in the foot year after year after agonizing year.

I don't shake my head at these wins. Next year will take care for f itself or not. Kings wins are what my fan hood is about. Who knows, I may not be here next year. Besides, you're talking to the wrong person when you say "deliberately lose". I can't wrap my head around that. Also, I would not be surprised if we didn't win the lottery over the next 20 years, even if we had the worst record.
 
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the Kings are notorious for picking up meaningless last season games and ruining their draft position...however, the Kings just don't have that top 3 lottery luck so they might as well just play to win and build from that momentum. I'll be perfectly fine with picking Cauley Stein and if he is not available...give me Stanley Johnson.
 
Every single year like clockwork we go on a mini run of meaningless wins at the end of the season and every single year we end up picking 5th-8th in the draft.
Well said.

The Kings are the Kings at meaningless wins.
Every year we fans get excited over games that don't mean anything.
Worse, we can't stop our habits of making conclusions about next year, and roster-strength, because of them.
The ONLY games that meant anything this year were the first 15 or so.
That was when we saw the NBA's best, and everything was up for grabs.
Since then, it's been a pageant for the vast majority.
Just like last year, and the year before that, and the year before that.....

I don't care if Ray McCallum "looks good" the last 10 games of the season. Last year, he looked good, too. It is an illusion. He can't compete with the competitive teams in the NBA.
All of y'all thinking DWill's play makes ANY difference?
Guy is a dead contract waiting to happen. Do NOT give him anything but 1-year contracts until he proves that he gives a crap about the game. Guy can't create a shot on his own if his life depended on it.

Apparently, the only way the Kings don't go from picking (at best) 6th to picking 8th is if Demarcus (or maybe Rudy) gets "an injury" and has to sit most of the remaining games.
We'll see.
 
Well said.

The Kings are the Kings at meaningless wins.
Every year we fans get excited over games that don't mean anything.
Worse, we can't stop our habits of making conclusions about next year, and roster-strength, because of them.
The ONLY games that meant anything this year were the first 15 or so.
That was when we saw the NBA's best, and everything was up for grabs.
Since then, it's been a pageant for the vast majority.
Just like last year, and the year before that, and the year before that.....

I don't care if Ray McCallum "looks good" the last 10 games of the season. Last year, he looked good, too. It is an illusion. He can't compete with the competitive teams in the NBA.
All of y'all thinking DWill's play makes ANY difference?
Guy is a dead contract waiting to happen. Do NOT give him anything but 1-year contracts until he proves that he gives a crap about the game. Guy can't create a shot on his own if his life depended on it.

Apparently, the only way the Kings don't go from picking (at best) 6th to picking 8th is if Demarcus (or maybe Rudy) gets "an injury" and has to sit most of the remaining games.
We'll see.

When you can prove to me that my getting excited about a Kings win has a direct impact on the draft, then we'll talk. Until that time, I (and a lot of other Kings fans I know) are going to continue to be happy about wins, we're going to continue to see signs of improvement in players and we're going to make positive comments about good play.

Sorry, but that's just the way it is.

GO KINGS!
 
And a few years ago if we had WON one more game we would have had the number one pick.

I'm not going to worry about draft position. I want our team to succeed and win every damn game they can. I think it is crucial to team mindset and possibly keeping DMC.
 
When you can prove to me that my getting excited about a Kings win has a direct impact on the draft, then we'll talk. Until that time, I (and a lot of other Kings fans I know) are going to continue to be happy about wins, we're going to continue to see signs of improvement in players and we're going to make positive comments about good play.

Sorry, but that's just the way it is.

GO KINGS!
Knock yourselves out!
I admit, it's compelling to get excited and want to be happy when the Kings win at this time of year.

You (and many other Kings fans) don't need my approval to be happy about (meaningless) wins.
Just like I (and other Kings fans) don't need your approval to be hesitant in concluding anything about our roster from uncompetitive, end-of-season games and making negative comments about bad play.
 
the Kings are notorious for picking up meaningless last season games and ruining their draft position...however, the Kings just don't have that top 3 lottery luck so they might as well just play to win and build from that momentum. I'll be perfectly fine with picking Cauley Stein and if he is not available...give me Stanley Johnson.

I'm pretty sure these two things are related. That's what I'm saying. I'd like to feel good about the team winning. Sauce Castillo is a lot of fun. DWill dunking again is a lot of fun. Cousins looking like the most dominant big man since Shaq is a lot of fun. It's just the result that bothers me. A week ago we were 1 Orlando win away from 5th in the lotto which carries a 29.2% chance of a top 3 pick. Two more feel good wins spread out over the next couple weeks and we drop all the way to 8th which has a 10% chance of getting a top 3 pick. Cutting your lottery odds by 66% with 3 weeks to go in the season is not just bad luck.
 
Fans being happy is irrelevant. The advantages of the Kings winning now have absolutely nothing to do with fans wanting to get their fan on.

As I've said dozens of times before, building chemistry, trust and momentum >>>>> another lottery pick. We already have a HOFer, two if you count the coach. Its winning time. Its time to foster absolutely every bit of winning culture we can get our hands on. If we're serious about winning next year, the team will look like an old folks home. I don't know if Karl and Cuz together are an attraction enough given the spectacle we've made of ourselves, but Karl and Cuz and a team seen as being on the rise might help.
 
This is actually the best outcome. We secured out draft pick and can end the season with a lot of respect. This is why the FO waited to hire Karl. We got our tanking over with and the rest of the NBA will know we are a playoff contender next year. What other lottery team out there is doing what we're doing? We get mad respect!
 
Fans being happy is irrelevant. The advantages of the Kings winning now have absolutely nothing to do with fans wanting to get their fan on.

As I've said dozens of times before, building chemistry, trust and momentum >>>>> another lottery pick. We already have a HOFer, two if you count the coach. Its winning time. Its time to foster absolutely every bit of winning culture we can get our hands on. If we're serious about winning next year, the team will look like an old folks home. I don't know if Karl and Cuz together are an attraction enough given the spectacle we've made of ourselves, but Karl and Cuz and a team seen as being on the rise might help.

One HOF player doesn't make you a contender anymore. We might not crack 30 wins this year with the best center in the league playing for us. Cousins scored 33 points, grabbed 17 rebounds, and tallied 3 assists, 4 blocks, and 4 steals and we beat a 17 win team by 1 point. At home. That's not respect, that's shooting yourself in the foot. We still need talent to compete with the top teams in either conference and the best way to get talent is with a top 3 draft pick. I know you think 20 year olds are garbage (even though a couple of them are playing awfully impressive ball right now) but look at what Cleveland did with their pick this year for a different example of why the lottery matters.

Tanking deserves no respect, ever in life. Fortunately, that's not what we did.

Who gives a crap about respect? Seriously. You say this every year. Do you think respect got Anthony Davis in a Pelicans jersey? No. Tanking like a mofo did. I don't think they're holding their heads in shame. The fact of the matter is, winning right now can only hurt us. It's particularly dangerous when the front office use it as an excuse to make small additions instead of big ones. "We have momentum, our players just needed to get into the swing of things, they'll start hot next year." No, they won't. You want to increase your win total by 20 next year? Add some talent to the roster.
 
This is actually the best outcome. We secured out draft pick and can end the season with a lot of respect. This is why the FO waited to hire Karl. We got our tanking over with and the rest of the NBA will know we are a playoff contender next year. What other lottery team out there is doing what we're doing? We get mad respect!

No, the FO wanted to wait until the offseason to hire Karl. They were perfectly fine with losing and tanking all the way. The only reason we got Karl now is b/c Orlando got in the picture and forced the FO hand. It was now or never and they decided now. The FO did not have a master plan to do this. You can credit them with the Landry signing, but not timing a part season tank and then starting early on next year.
 
Fans being happy is irrelevant. The advantages of the Kings winning now have absolutely nothing to do with fans wanting to get their fan on.

As I've said dozens of times before, building chemistry, trust and momentum >>>>> another lottery pick.
We already have a HOFer, two if you count the coach. Its winning time. Its time to foster absolutely every bit of winning culture we can get our hands on. If we're serious about winning next year, the team will look like an old folks home. I don't know if Karl and Cuz together are an attraction enough given the spectacle we've made of ourselves, but Karl and Cuz and a team seen as being on the rise might help.

And, if in the meantime, that translates to winning and making the fans happy, then what's the problem?

You may not agree with it, but the marketing department of the Kings IS interested in the fans being happy. They have a honking big arena going up and if the fans aren't happy it's gonna look awful deserted in there.
 
We lose all the rest, win #1 pick, get our man and after three fruitless years we trade this number one for a mature John Salmons. No thanks, I'll take the wins and the chance that our no. 8 pick might turn out pretty good.
John.
Salmons
 
No, the FO wanted to wait until the offseason to hire Karl. They were perfectly fine with losing and tanking all the way. The only reason we got Karl now is b/c Orlando got in the picture and forced the FO hand. It was now or never and they decided now. The FO did not have a master plan to do this. You can credit them with the Landry signing, but not timing a part season tank and then starting early on next year.

Let me clarify- PDA planned to hire a new coach after the allstar break. It didn't necessarily have to be Karl. I think their plan to secure the draft and build momentum is far more realistic than them being fine with tanking as much as possible.
 
I'm pretty sure these two things are related. That's what I'm saying. I'd like to feel good about the team winning. Sauce Castillo is a lot of fun. DWill dunking again is a lot of fun. Cousins looking like the most dominant big man since Shaq is a lot of fun. It's just the result that bothers me. A week ago we were 1 Orlando win away from 5th in the lotto which carries a 29.2% chance of a top 3 pick. Two more feel good wins spread out over the next couple weeks and we drop all the way to 8th which has a 10% chance of getting a top 3 pick. Cutting your lottery odds by 66% with 3 weeks to go in the season is not just bad luck.

throwing those odds out the window....the motto Kings fans abide by in the last couple of chances at the lottery is to expect the worst and that's exactly what happens every single time.
 
Who gives a crap about respect? Seriously. You say this every year. Do you think respect got Anthony Davis in a Pelicans jersey? No. Tanking like a mofo did.
No, it didn't. People love to wave the "tank" card, when the more reasonable explanation is that the team just wasn't any good.
 
No, it didn't. People love to wave the "tank" card, when the more reasonable explanation is that the team just wasn't any good.

Clearly you're just not paying attention. New Orleans in 2012 did some of the most blatant tanking I've ever seen (a 6pt 4th quarter is beyond shameless) and the hilarious part is that they were owned by the NBA at the time.
 
No, the FO wanted to wait until the offseason to hire Karl. They were perfectly fine with losing and tanking all the way. The only reason we got Karl now is b/c Orlando got in the picture and forced the FO hand. It was now or never and they decided now. The FO did not have a master plan to do this. You can credit them with the Landry signing, but not timing a part season tank and then starting early on next year.
Then why did they say that they fired Malone because they thought replacing him would make the team better this year? And why did they come out last month, and release a statement admitting that they were wrong? They weren't trying to lose, they were trying to win, and they were actually dumb enough to believe that firing Malone would work.
 
Clearly you're just not paying attention. New Orleans in 2012 did some of the most blatant tanking I've ever seen (a 6pt 4th quarter is beyond shameless) and the hilarious part is that they were owned by the NBA at the time.
No, I was paying attention. We were both looking at the same thing, but we didn't see the same thing when we were looking at it. You're sure that they tanked, and I'm sure that you're wrong.
 
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