[Grades] Grades v. Suns 10/26/2016

Kings player of thegame?


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How do you guys feel about this tweet from the official Kings account? https://twitter.com/sacramentokings/status/791499503756988417

I don't care for it. Seems immature to come from the franchise and especially in response to an innocuous tweet
about the season being a week away from the Suns. Cutting out external nonsense like this would be a welcome change.


Lame. I don't like the trend were seeing of that and the stupid video of the baby falling down at cheerleader practice. What is this, the Click Bait Kings? F off with that. Bring back some class and professionalism by firing whatever clueless twit they have running their social media content.
 
I'm watching the game and seeing the other team scoring 24 points with 6 minutes to go on the second quarter really put a smile on my face.
 
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Lawson is moving the ball incredibly well and picking his opportunities to play make for others. Such a nice change from Rondo's ball-stopping ways from last year.

That's probably the biggest change I've seen so far in 2 quarters; we aren't keeping the ball in the hands of the PG-SF-C while the other 2 guys get to stand out of the way. Everyone is involved.
 
Best case scenario taking place for us tonight. Cousins playing sloppy and our team was still functional. That's how it should be - teams system first, star contribution second!
Only downsight was Rudy Gay. He kept uns into the game at a certain time, but is just holding the ball way too much and is doing his "me first" thing too much. When the unit was sharing the ball, setting screens for each other, we played beautiful basketball.
MVP of the night was Temple, closely followed by Barnes and first half of Ben.
 
It was a bit odd to see Cousins warming the bench. We were really bothering them with our length, even we went with small lineup.

Brick!
You forgot the most awesome stat, the stat with Cousins in/out.
 
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Best case scenario taking place for us tonight. Cousins playing sloppy and our team was still functional. That's how it should be - teams system first, star contribution second!
Only downsight was Rudy Gay. He kept uns into the game at a certain time, but is just holding the ball way too much and is doing his "me first" thing too much. When the unit was sharing the ball, setting screens for each other, we played beautiful basketball.
MVP of the night was Temple, closely followed by Barnes and first half of Ben.

Actually I think Gay played a pretty good game. Didn't start well, but he got better in the second quarter. I don't think he forced too much, he played a very good "Rudy Gay" game. I would be happy to see this kind of performance every night from him. 9/15 shooting, +23 plus/minus. I don't see how anybody can complain with that.

I also think he played good defense, which is the most important thing right now.
 
The rotation is going to be hard for Joerger this year. He had 6 rotation players under 20 minutes today and it was a game where Cousins only logged 25 min and Collison was out. I can only imagine what that will do to the rotation with an extra 35 min going to Cousins & Collison.

I'm thinking we could roll with this rotation when we're at full strength...

PG - Collison (22 min) / Lawson (26 min)
SG - Afflalo (26 min) / Temple (18 min) / Collison (4 min) / McLemore / Richardson
SF - Gay (32 min) / Barnes (12 min) / Temple (4 min) / Casspi
PF - Tolliver (20 min) / Cauley-Stein (14 min) / Barnes (14 min) / Labissiere
C - Cousins (36 min) / Cauley-Stein (12 min) / Koufos / Papagiannis

Cousins - 36 min
Gay - 32 min
Collison - 26 min
Lawson - 26 min
Afflalo - 26 min
Barnes - 26 min
Cauley-Stein - 26 min
Temple - 22 min
Tolliver - 20 min

That leaves McLemore, Casspi, & Koufos as the odd men out. I'd rather prioritize the defensive roleplayers (Temple, Barnes, & Cauley-Stein) in the rotation as I think we would have enough firepower with Collison, Lawson, Afflalo, Gay, & Cousins on offense. As long as we have two of those guys out there at all times, I think we will be okay on offense.

It's hard to bench McLemore after his hot shooting start, but the fact remains that we have Afflalo, Temple, Gay, & Barnes who will also be getting minutes at SG/SF. Not to mention, we'll probably play one of our PGs at SG for a handful of minutes each game. One of Afflalo, Temple, Gay, Barnes, & McLemore is going to going to be the odd man out. Gay is out of the question, Afflalo's too talented (with his defense looking resurrected), Barnes is a Joerger guy and looks like he'll help this team a lot this year. It comes down to Temple (the proven defender, ball handler, & passer who's a consistent, steady vet) or McLemore (the inconsistent player who is an athlete with a better shot from range). I'm going to let the next 7 games decide which one I'd prefer to get these minutes as I've come to learn not to trust McLemore's glimpses. They seem to be far and few between. Here's to hoping that changes, but for now, I'm going to prioritize the superb defender who we know will give us consistent minutes.

I hate to freeze out Casspi, but I think in the end, Barnes is going to help us win more this year.

I also did not like how the team looked with Cousins & Koufos next to each other. I don't think that's a very good fit and will prove to be an ineffective pairing this year. Koufos doesn't really provide anything different than what Cousins gives us on defense. I'd rather see those minutes go to Cauley-Stein (who looked pretty strong in the post holding his own against Len) who's athleticism gives us a change of pace and ability to matchup across different teams.

In the starting lineup, I'd rather go with a low usage, savvy, 3pt shooting, decent defender in Tolliver next to Cousins who will hopefully help limit Cousins on the perimeter defending while providing even more spacing for Cousins on the opposite end (Collison, Afflalo, Gay, & Tolliver would be great spacing). If Cauley-Stein's jumper continues to progress, you have to throw him in the starting lineup, but with how Joerger has us playing team defense, I would tend to think Tolliver's spacing is a little more valuable to us in that starting unit.

Mclemore will get minutes.
 
This game was encouraging for me. With the Spurs tonight, we will see just how good this team is. I do not expect a win but if we play hard and make it a ball game, I'll be happy. This could be a good game for WCS and Tolliver because we need someone to challenge those long 2's from Aldridge.

As a UK fan, I was sad to see Boogie and Booker get into it a little. I was also glad to see Ulis show a fraction of what he is able to do.

On the Kings side, I was encouraged by how well Lawson and Temple played. If Lawson can play that well, we will be fine while Collison is out. Temple has found his PG niche in that he has that nearly unstoppable iso into a pull up off the break. Also, the ball movement is so good among the rest of the team that a Rondo-type PG was needed.

Barnes brings something special that I just can't put a name to.

Afflalo impressed me in that he didn't seem to force anything. I believe in New York he forced a lot of his own offense. I also like how he would immediately back his man down and open up passing around the wing because of rotations.
 
A little early to look at this but when DC comes back, one of the guards has to take a back seat as that makes 5 guards and I can't see Lawson, DC, Afflalo and Temple not on the floor but Ben did have some solid moments. A great problem for Joerger to have.
 
How do you guys feel about this tweet from the official Kings account? https://twitter.com/sacramentokings/status/791499503756988417

I don't care for it. Seems immature to come from the franchise and especially in response to an innocuous tweet
about the season being a week away from the Suns. Cutting out external nonsense like this would be a welcome change.

SCORE BOARD! Actually I prefer winners to act like they have been there before and be a humble and stoic. On the flip side the Kings have had a long dry spell:) In addition Watson had his guys purposefully hard fouling the Kings All Star and Olympian. The Refs need to protect the Kings Star Player and punish such play with multiple flagrant fouls. The Young Suns Players need to understand the Kings Vets dominated them and they will lose every game when they face the Kings. No mercy in the association.
 
A little early to look at this but when DC comes back, one of the guards has to take a back seat as that makes 5 guards and I can't see Lawson, DC, Afflalo and Temple not on the floor but Ben did have some solid moments. A great problem for Joerger to have.

I see Temple as a utility/situational player. I know he was solid, but with DC back, he isn't needed as a PG. He's someone you use in case of injury, or if one of the rotation players is having an off night. He's not someone you HAVE to find minutes for or even someone who is so far and above the next guy that you can't take him off the floor.
 
A little early to look at this but when DC comes back, one of the guards has to take a back seat as that makes 5 guards and I can't see Lawson, DC, Afflalo and Temple not on the floor but Ben did have some solid moments. A great problem for Joerger to have.

With a deep team look for swarming defense and no fear of a few fouls to save some hoops.
 
I see Temple as a utility/situational player. I know he was solid, but with DC back, he isn't needed as a PG. He's someone you use in case of injury, or if one of the rotation players is having an off night. He's not someone you HAVE to find minutes for or even someone who is so far and above the next guy that you can't take him off the floor.
He should be the backup SG. He's our best defensive guard. I'd find time for him.
 
IF Ty Lawson keeps this up, granted it's only 1 game and against the suns, do you think he will steal the starting position?
 
And all the talk was how Kings were a big team, front court loaded. Now it's looking more balanced with plenty of back court depth as well. Been said countless times, it's not who starts the game, it's who finishes it. Who is "finishing" throughout the 48 minutes, with hot hand to earn the most nightly. Seems somebody did something right this past off season - In Vlade We Trust!
 
Lawson, Barnes, and Afflalo are going to help this team. Having guys that have been in playoffs makes a difference when the opposing team makes a run at the end of the game. The defense is definitely better especially inside and in transition.

Gay seemed plenty motivated for a guy that may not finish the season as a King.

I wouldn't mind having a 19 yo player like Booker.

Coach J will probably come up with many different starting lineups to match up with teams. The Kings seem deeper than they have been in a long time.
 
I think the KK Cuz duo can work, but it just looked bad against the suns. now watch how solid it will be against Aldridge and Gasol, a true tandem that stays low and not at the 3pt line
 
IF Ty Lawson keeps this up, granted it's only 1 game and against the suns, do you think he will steal the starting position?
Well, he runs the team much better than Collison.
Passes much better.
Defends much better.
I'm guessing he wouldn't choke as much.
He doesn't shoot as well.

So it depends what is needed - I would guess that Lawson's strengths fit the team's needs better than Collison if he can keep this up.
 
Well, he runs the team much better than Collison.
Passes much better.
Defends much better.
I'm guessing he wouldn't choke as much.
He doesn't shoot as well.

So it depends what is needed - I would guess that Lawson's strengths fit the team's needs better than Collison if he can keep this up.
Lawson has been a below average defender throughout his career. Granted he's looked good in limited time with the Kings, but I don't think you can make this assertion with certainty when Collison is typically an average defender when guarding opposing PGs . If Lawson keeps up this intensity, we may be able to make that claim, but I don't think it's fair to claim that he is a better defender when that hasn't been the case looking at history.
 
IF Ty Lawson keeps this up, granted it's only 1 game and against the suns, do you think he will steal the starting position?

That is what I had predicted for Lawson since the day we signed him.

I think Lawson is better suited to start, while DC can start or come off the bench and still be effective.

Coach Joeger seems to have the knack to put his players in a position to succeed and I think Lawson will continue to start, when DC comes off suspension.
 
The rotation is going to be hard for Joerger this year. He had 6 rotation players under 20 minutes today and it was a game where Cousins only logged 25 min and Collison was out. I can only imagine what that will do to the rotation with an extra 35 min going to Cousins & Collison.

I'm thinking we could roll with this rotation when we're at full strength...

PG - Collison (22 min) / Lawson (26 min)
SG - Afflalo (26 min) / Temple (18 min) / Collison (4 min) / McLemore / Richardson
SF - Gay (32 min) / Barnes (12 min) / Temple (4 min) / Casspi
PF - Tolliver (20 min) / Cauley-Stein (14 min) / Barnes (14 min) / Labissiere
C - Cousins (36 min) / Cauley-Stein (12 min) / Koufos / Papagiannis

Cousins - 36 min
Gay - 32 min
Collison - 26 min
Lawson - 26 min
Afflalo - 26 min
Barnes - 26 min
Cauley-Stein - 26 min
Temple - 22 min
Tolliver - 20 min

That leaves McLemore, Casspi, & Koufos as the odd men out. I'd rather prioritize the defensive roleplayers (Temple, Barnes, & Cauley-Stein) in the rotation as I think we would have enough firepower with Collison, Lawson, Afflalo, Gay, & Cousins on offense. As long as we have two of those guys out there at all times, I think we will be okay on offense.

It's hard to bench McLemore after his hot shooting start, but the fact remains that we have Afflalo, Temple, Gay, & Barnes who will also be getting minutes at SG/SF. Not to mention, we'll probably play one of our PGs at SG for a handful of minutes each game. One of Afflalo, Temple, Gay, Barnes, & McLemore is going to going to be the odd man out. Gay is out of the question, Afflalo's too talented (with his defense looking resurrected), Barnes is a Joerger guy and looks like he'll help this team a lot this year. It comes down to Temple (the proven defender, ball handler, & passer who's a consistent, steady vet) or McLemore (the inconsistent player who is an athlete with a better shot from range). I'm going to let the next 7 games decide which one I'd prefer to get these minutes as I've come to learn not to trust McLemore's glimpses. They seem to be far and few between. Here's to hoping that changes, but for now, I'm going to prioritize the superb defender who we know will give us consistent minutes.

I hate to freeze out Casspi, but I think in the end, Barnes is going to help us win more this year.

I also did not like how the team looked with Cousins & Koufos next to each other. I don't think that's a very good fit and will prove to be an ineffective pairing this year. Koufos doesn't really provide anything different than what Cousins gives us on defense. I'd rather see those minutes go to Cauley-Stein (who looked pretty strong in the post holding his own against Len) who's athleticism gives us a change of pace and ability to matchup across different teams.

In the starting lineup, I'd rather go with a low usage, savvy, 3pt shooting, decent defender in Tolliver next to Cousins who will hopefully help limit Cousins on the perimeter defending while providing even more spacing for Cousins on the opposite end (Collison, Afflalo, Gay, & Tolliver would be great spacing). If Cauley-Stein's jumper continues to progress, you have to throw him in the starting lineup, but with how Joerger has us playing team defense, I would tend to think Tolliver's spacing is a little more valuable to us in that starting unit.
Nice overall thoughts.

I don't think Willie plays that much minutes this year. I don't recall him playing next to Cousins at all last night, and when he was playing, he was our primary C in a lineup full of 3pt shooters. Willie's offensive shortcomings are still prevalent. He had 2 good wide open looks from the mid range, but missed badly. His offense just isn't there yet. His offense at this point is only lobs and tip ins. No post offense, no hook shoot, etc. On defense, he's super active and does a good overall job, but his rebounding continues to be a problem. Played 19mins, but only grabbed 2 boards. There was even 1 play where he didn't box out, and Len basically just used his arms and grabbed the rebound from over Willie.

Unless WCS improves dramatically on offense, I don't think he should be getting more than 20mpg.

As much as you don't like Koufos with Cousins, he's still going to get his minutes off the bench, at the very least. In your predicted minutes, we only have 2 real Centers playing... Cousins and WCS.

We're moving towards small ball with this lineup.

I think the quick change of pace is better for our bench than our starting lineup.
 
IF Ty Lawson keeps this up, granted it's only 1 game and against the suns, do you think he will steal the starting position?
I think it'll be less about Lawson "stealing" the starting position, but more about the Kings needing scoring off the bench. I really like Ben, but I don't think we can rely on him for a quick push every single game.

Collison was a very good scorer for us last year off the bench. We need that scoring from him, so I could see it working out for both sides. However, if Lawson struggles on D, we'll see DC go back in the starting lineup.

Well, he runs the team much better than Collison.
Passes much better.
Defends much better.
I'm guessing he wouldn't choke as much.
He doesn't shoot as well.

So it depends what is needed - I would guess that Lawson's strengths fit the team's needs better than Collison if he can keep this up.
Not sure how Lawson defends better?

DC doesn't really choke lol.

Collison fits this team more, but we need a dynamic scorer off the bench. That would be the only reason why Lawson starts imo.
 
That's probably because some college kid IS running it.

Some tone-deaf, perspective-less, classless college kid (mentally at the least).
Trash talk is not something the Sacramento Kings should be participating in at ALL until they put way more W's up and stop embarrassing themselves.

In my opinion, basketball is not basketball without the trash-talk, it is a physical game, it is an emotional game, and also a competitive game. Equal opportunity on the court.
 
The other argument for Lawson starting (other than Collison providing more scoring punch off the bench) is that he may already have good chemistry/be familiar with how Afflalo plays (knowing where Afflalo likes to rotate, in what situations he likes to cut vs. come off a screen, etc.) since they have played 4 seasons together in Denver. It might make that starting roster gel a little quicker and possibly generate some synergistic effects.
 
You can also look at it as the starting lineup not really needing a big playmaker since the guys are already pretty adept on offense. So Lawson coming off the bench and setting up the backups could work better. The good thing is that we have a ton of options and we have two good point guards who are different and compliment their teammates differently. It's a good problem to have if you don't have Russell Westbrook backing up Russell Westbrook.

What I liked is the fact that everyone did something last night regardless of their shortcomings. No one just came out and laid a turd.

Cousins got in foul trouble but put up points and was as efficient as he's ever been.

Gay started slow but ramped his offense up and even had FOUR blocks.

Lawson didn't shoot well but played solid defense and passed the ball very well.

Afflalo's offense was off but his defense was on point. Many of Booker's baskets were simply because Booker is talented as hell.

Kofous missed a bunch of chip shots but his defense had a huge hand in our 2nd quarter explosion.

Tolliver's shot was broken but his defense and hustle stretched the lead. That 2 rebound 2 point possession off our missed free throw was a thing of beauty.

Barnes' shot was off until garbage time but he did all the other things needed to win the game.

Casspi played sloppily but he still fought back and gave us some important rebounds and hustle baskets to make up for his mistakes.

WCS looked bad on offense and didn't rebound but he played good defense all game. His PnR defense was good and that doesn't show up in the box score.

Temple had problems running the offense but his mid range game was perfect and his defense was really good on some of their PG's drives.

McLemore bricked his last 4 shots but he was on fire to start with and even threw a couple nice lobs to WCS. Defense was decent as well.
 
That's probably because some college kid IS running it.

Some tone-deaf, perspective-less, classless college kid (mentally at the least).
Trash talk is not something the Sacramento Kings should be participating in at ALL until they put way more W's up and stop embarrassing themselves.

This is not true. He is employed by the Kings and is not a college student. He stopped by these boards last year to gauge what we, as kings fans, wanted to see out of our social media team. He took the perspective of multiple sectors of Kings fans before jumping in. He is also active on his own account on twitter. I'd say our social media presence has been killer in the last year since they revamped that team.

I dont think it's fair to make generalized statements based on one tweet that you didnt agree with. A lot of NBA teams' social media accounts take playful jabs at each other, and if it's in jest, then why does it matter?
 
In my opinion, basketball is not basketball without the trash-talk, it is a physical game, it is an emotional game, and also a competitive game. Equal opportunity on the court.

I don't mind trash talk at all. I think it's fun and also can have an actual impact, getting into peoples heads and changing the flow of the game. But after the game is over? Meh. As someone else said, and I agree with, I prefer the winner to act like they have been there before. I also really like clever, playful banter. I guess I'd just rather be the one responding to the shots than handing them out when there hasn't been much to back it up for the past decade. The Lakers are always an exception of course :D

Like I said earlier though I don't think it's a big deal. I only asked to get a feel of how other members of the fan base felt. As far as I know the social media guy is relatively new to Sac and the Kings and might not know the vibe of his user base. As most things there doesn't seem to be a consensus as far as I can tell.
 
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