[Grades] Grades v. Suns 03/08/2013

[Agent23]

I used his FGA/game in his 44 starts this year, not his full year numbers. He's at 10.6 FGA/game in 28.5 MPG. That total is 23rd in the NBA amongst the top 30 starting PG's.

Ahhh. Very informative. Thanks.

 

[Cwebb#4]

I think this game shows us that we really need a new SF. The solution: Draft. Otto. Porter. If we can't get him with our pick, we can trade up.

Kings new lineup:
Starters:
PG Reke
PF JT
SF Otto Porter
SG Thornton
C Big Cuz

Bench:
PG Toney D (my new nickname for on the mad-d he played against the Stephencurrys)
SG Jimmer?
PF Trade/FA
SF Trade/FA
C Aldrich

Benchwarmers:
James Johnson
Er, Travis Outlaw(after a large paycut)?

Traded/released
Isaiah
Patterson
Chuck
Fishy

Edit: Patterson as backup PF and 6th man, not traded.

 

[sdballer]

I used his FGA/game in his 44 starts this year, not his full year numbers. He's at 10.6 FGA/game in 28.5 MPG. That total is 23rd in the NBA amongst the top 30 starting PG's.

This is one of those times where you have to look at per 36 minute shot attempts. Defending a position that IT shoots less than almost all the starting pgs in the league when he often plays 8-10 minutes less than them is an argument worthy of a huge asterisk. Per 36 numbers can be very misleading but it can be useful in this type of situation so let's look at a more equalized shots ranking.


Russell Westbrook 19.1
Kyrie Irving 18.8
Tony Parker 16.9
Stephen Curry 16.4
Jrue Holiday 15.9
Brandon Jennings 15.8
Kemba Walker 15.6
Raymond Felton 15.1
John Wall 15.1
Damian Lilliard 14.7
Ty Lawson 14.1
Jameer Neslon 13.9
Isaiah Thomas 13.7
Deron Williams 13.6
Greivis Vasquez 13.6
Jeff Teague 13.2
Chris Paul 13.1
Mo Williams 12.9
Goron Dragic 12.7
George Hill 12.1
Rajon Rondo 11.8
Jeremy Lin 11.8
Mike Conley 11.7
Kyle Lowry 11.4
Darren Collison 11.0
Jose Calderon 10.8
Steve Nash 10.0
Rickey Rubio 9.6
Mario Chalmers 9.1
Kirk Hinrich 8.2

He jumps from 23 to 13 and isn't far from the top 10. When you look at that list, its obvious that the past first guys are in the bottom half and the guys that are the 1st or 2nd offensive option make up the top 10. As a pace changing sub, IT's game could be perfect for this team. As a starter I just thinks his style of play isn't a great way to maximize the other players on the team, unless we really think he's at the caliber of those other top 10 guys, especially since he is arguably the worst defender of that bunch as well.

 

[The_Jamal]

This is one of those times where you have to look at per 36 minute shot attempts. Defending a position that IT shoots less than almost all the starting pgs in the league when he often plays 8-10 minutes less than them is an argument worthy of a huge asterisk. Per 36 numbers can be very misleading but it can be useful in this type of situation so let's look at a more equalized shots ranking.


Russell Westbrook 19.1
Kyrie Irving 18.8
Tony Parker 16.9
Stephen Curry 16.4
Jrue Holiday 15.9
Brandon Jennings 15.8
Kemba Walker 15.6
Raymond Felton 15.1
John Wall 15.1
Damian Lilliard 14.7
Ty Lawson 14.1
Jameer Neslon 13.9
Isaiah Thomas 13.7
Deron Williams 13.6
Greivis Vasquez 13.6
Jeff Teague 13.2
Chris Paul 13.1
Mo Williams 12.9
Goron Dragic 12.7
George Hill 12.1
Rajon Rondo 11.8
Jeremy Lin 11.8
Mike Conley 11.7
Kyle Lowry 11.4
Darren Collison 11.0
Jose Calderon 10.8
Steve Nash 10.0
Rickey Rubio 9.6
Mario Chalmers 9.1
Kirk Hinrich 8.2

He jumps from 23 to 13 and isn't far from the top 10. When you look at that list, its obvious that the past first guys are in the bottom half and the guys that are the 1st or 2nd offensive option make up the top 10. As a pace changing sub, IT's game could be perfect for this team. As a starter I just thinks his style of play isn't a great way to maximize the other players on the team, unless we really think he's at the caliber of those other top 10 guys, especially since he is arguably the worst defender of that bunch as well.

P/36 numbers are terrible because they are they don't exist. It's a hypothetical situation that assumes the player would continue to shoot as the same pace if he got 36 minutes a game. Hell, IT might throw up 20 shots a game if he averaged 36 minutes a game. You can't say with anymore clarity that IT would take 13.7 shot in 36 minutes than I could say he'll take 18 shots in 36 minutes. And IT doesn't play 8-10 minutes less than the other starters. at 28.5 MPG as a starter, he's only a few minutes short of what the average MPG a a starting PG gets. Very few guys average 34 MPG+

 

[sdballer]

P/36 numbers are terrible because they are they don't exist. It's a hypothetical situation that assumes the player would continue to shoot as the same pace if he got 36 minutes a game. Hell, IT might throw up 20 shots a game if he averaged 36 minutes a game. You can't say with anymore clarity that IT would take 13.7 shot in 36 minutes than I could say he'll take 18 shots in 36 minutes. And IT doesn't play 8-10 minutes less than the other starters. at 28.5 MPG as a starter, he's only a few minutes short of what the average MPG a a starting PG gets. Very few guys average 34 MPG+

I agree per 36 is a skewed stat but for shots per game, its a better argument than making a blanket statement that IT shoots less than almost everyone while pretending he wouldn't shoot if he was playing those extra minutes. Not perfect but its a better equalizer than not having it for the sake of this particular discussion. And for the record, I think its very likely that he could shoot more than 13.7 if he had the extra minutes. And the guys on my list playing more than 34 minutes per game:

Conley, Felton, Vasquez, Walker, Hill, Nelson, Lawson, Irving, Westbrook, Williams, Rondo, Jennings, Curry, Lilliard, Holliday (half the list)
33+: Teague, Nash, Parker, Dragic, Paul

 

[Spike]

Stats are only cool when they work in your favor.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

And here I thought I was the only one who was getting that out of the conversation.