[Grades] Grades v. Spurs 3/28/12

Reke destroyed the Spurs last time, was AWOL this time, biggest reason?

  • Kwahi Leonard is just that good

    Votes: 1 2.2%
  • Spurs packed the middle

    Votes: 18 39.1%
  • IT playing keepaway

    Votes: 7 15.2%
  • Smart marginaluzed then benched him

    Votes: 12 26.1%
  • I dunno, was he sick or something?

    Votes: 1 2.2%
  • He is dumb, lazy, fat, has halitosis and stole my Barbi

    Votes: 7 15.2%

  • Total voters
    46

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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Please? Pretty please? With sugar on top?

Ok, the good: IT had maybe his career game; DeMarcus continued his Boogie Breakout Tour and is now averaging 28.3pts and 16.3rebs over his past 4 games.

The not so good: how far will Reke actually let you marginalize him before we actually do lose him to smallballitis? And defense. Oh my defense. Want to see some scary stats?

We allowed another 117pts against us this game. We're allowing about 107.6ppg since going small. Consider Smart's history as a head and assistant coach:

Kings since going small: 107.6ppg (30th in NBA)
Golden State 10-11: 105.7ppg (28th in NBA)
Golden State 09-10: 112.4ppg (30th in NBA)
Golden State 08-09: 112.3ppg (30th in NBA)
Golden State 07-08: 108.8ppg (30th in NBA)
Golden State 06-07: 106.7ppg (30th in NBA)

Is this what we have to look forward to??? If so we may be in the dying days of a tradition here, because I'm not going to waste my valuable time grading crap like that with a whole league of real basketball being played by teams that know what it takes to win. Of ALL the teams to pick to emulate, we pick the one with the worst overall record int he NBA over the past 15 years. Its black comedy.

Boxscore

Evans ( D ) -- quiet start by both Reke and the team, and given how badly he tore them up last time (23pts 11reb 7ast) at the PG spot, was just waiting until we cleared the debris out of the way and let him play over the ball against them again. Never happened. Spurs packed the middle, Reke had few touches, and almost none in his favorite attack positons up top. For the msot part played the role of perimeter assistman, setting IT up for no fewer then 4 first half three attempts, of which two fell. Not big enough to board against Leonard who won multiple rebounding battles with his length. Drained several smooth looking jumpers, but whenever he tried to go inside it was a swarm and turnovers or near turnovers reuslted. In an interesting development pulled in favor of Cisco for the final three minutes of the first half. I label that interesting. Could also be labeled unsettling. Got yanked again in the third, this time for Williams, and ended up playing only 29 min on the night. The unsettling part extends to Reke not looking amused or involved during a late timeout -- about as close to a complaint as you will see from him. Boogie would have just beaned the coach with a water bottle. Something very much the matter with this effort from some direction. Never involved, got 5 shots on the night, which is easily a season low -- and likely a career low for games he has started and not been injured in. We lost our second best player for a night, and in the last two games IT has taken 32 shots to Reke's 16. Only question now is where this goes from here.

Thompson ( B+ ) -- returned and picked up right were he left off before the ankle injury with hard dirty roleplayer work. Getting almsot boringly efficient from a grading sense. His performance hasn't wavered in weeks. Finsihed a perfectly run break where with two passes and only 1 dribble we covered the whole court and got the dunk. Right on the hoop all night long, and had several strong post moves over the shroter Diaw and Blair. And while it seems dubious that somebody could come in and snap their fingers and just fix everything, ever since Clifford Ray arrived in town to tutor our bigs Jason has shot 68.8%, made every flip and tip, not had a single spastic turnover or fumble that I can recall, and averaged a cool 17.2pts 12.5rebs. I guess that last stat represents the only whole tonight -- in 36 min Jason only grabbed a subpar 7rebs this time out. Otherwise gave us almsot exactly what we needed from the position. Again. Yawn.

Cousins ( B+ ) -- not as dominant as the last couple, but after a bit of a ragged 2-7 start, settled in and began to just take it to the ghost of Tim Duncan. As per usual, just could not stay out of foul trouble in the early going as the Spurs attacked the middle again and again and we just don't have anybody back there to stop it. May have been more directed thatn that too as Duncan seemed to be intentionally trying to get Cousins riled, likely looking for the mistake response. but Smart has been doing a good thing with that foul trouble in recent weeks, and rather than yanking DeMarcus directly out, he is leaving him in there to play through it and get ito a rhtyhm before finally taking him out. Worked again tonight as DemArcaus recovered fromt eh 2-7 start to go 9-17 the rest of the way. Wehn he came back in the 2nd started grabbing board after board, and while he finished with a more pedestrian 11, rather than the 17 or 18 type games he puts up, it was still just one less than Duannca and DEJaun Balir, a pretty good pair of rebounders, had combined. Debuted a new littel shot this game, with some sort of ugly little push thing from 12-15 feet that I am sure is designed to let him get up a shot without running people over and picking up offense fouls. Saw it at elast three times, only 1 of which went in again. Not sure I want to see anymore of it, although the way Boogie learns I'm sure it will rapidly get better. Wonder if Ray maybe helped him wiht that too. In any case, when not throwing up ugly little flips used his strength and great hands to work his way to a strong first half. And started the thrid draining multiple midrange jumpers as he started to get the better of Duncan. Sat out a long stretch of the late third and early 4th, and maybe too long as he did not half any foul trouble (had 2 at the time) and was having a big game. When he finally returned was never able to reacquire the same rhythm he had been in, and was not a big factor late. In fact became one of several Kings to make our typical late game errors when he committed a charge at the 2:30 mark with us down 7 and neeeding every possession.

Thornton ( C ) -- had a nice block in the open court to save a hoop off the opening tip but took a long time before he ever had any more impact on the game. Not getting many touches, and in the early going he reacted to that as we've seen him do before, by getting a little too anxious and overagressive in his eagerness to make something happen whenever he did get the ball. Finally got his second bucket of the half on a runout with 1:30 to go in the half. Turned it over again forcing a drive a few seconds later. Wasn't until the early third that he hit his first jumper of the game, but it loosened him up and the gears began to unstick. Added a flip and started to score, and while there were no extended hot streaks, there were several little bursts. Never did do much else this time than shoot/score however, and just when he had finally started rolling, auffered some sort of head/neck injury at the close of the 3rd and had to sit out the first half of the 4th. Like DeMarcus, never truly regained his rhythm after finlly returning, and it was not until Reke found him for a three with less than a minute to go that he finally had something to say again. Solidly efficient scoring game, but not much impact, and not much other than just some points.

Thomas ( A ) -- ok start, but very strong after half on his way to the big game as he considerably outperformed Tony Parker. Was modestly productive early, but early on was in fact too much IT vs. Parker, and the offense stalled as nobody else was involved. Set up for no fewer than 4 first half threes by Reke on his waying to gunning up 9 for the game, which has to be a career high. Half picked up in strength as it went along, but began to repeatedly get scored over the other way -- ironically not by Parker, but by everyone else. Started the 3rd with a missed three, but began to attack and find repeated seams along the sides of the defense as he was able to get to the rim repeatedly. Was the offense in the early 4th with the Big Three all benched, and notably after the early game defensive struggles, locked into Parker and never gave him a clear lane to the hoop. Notched 10 assists (10th came right at the buzzer) but whether it be looking for his own shot first or just the problems with team construction, his hyperinvolvement seemed to mean Evans and Thronton could never get into a rhythm.

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Bench

Fredette ( C+ ) -- off target chucked three to start. Started the 2nd running off a high screen for a layup then drained a three. Actually caused the Spurs to sub Parker back in to shut him down with quickness, but once they did that was it for Jimmer's night/productivty.

Greene ( C ) -- good defense at the 1st quarter buzzer against Manu, and Manu drained the shot anyway. Hot a key rhree in the mid 4th to cut the lead to one. Added a meaningless three at the closing buzzer, otherwise barely noticed he was out there.

Hayes ( C+ ) -- very quiet night, which can actually be a good thing when it mneans he took zero total shots. Had a strong rebound agaisnt fellow power stub DeJuan Blair, and a good high-low pass to JT in the early 4th.

Williams ( B+ ) -- made some contributions immediately again, scoriong over the top on a drive, and adding a drive and dish to Cisco -- this is clearly not an end of the bench 10 day contract scrub here. He's looking as good as any of our non-Reke SF platoon. Caused enough havoc defending a 3 on 1 that the Spurs turned it over. In in the late third for Reke and immediately fascilitatedt he break. Made a real defensive impact in the early 4th -- kind of a one man gang as holes opened up all over the court, and Williams was freelancing to knock balls away.

Garcia ( D+ ) -- subbed back in fior Reke for the final 3 minutes of the first half. Blocked Manu's last second shot at the halftime buzzer. Not stopping Neal in the early 4th, or anybody for that matter as he got burned for 8pts in 4 min.
 
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we wont do well if reke plays 30 mins and scores 6 pts. Its not utilising him how we should be and its not good for us long term playing him at SF.

It is what it is and Thornton and Thomas look good but were losing production out of one of our cornerstones
 
And defense. Oh my defense. Want to see some scary stats?

We allowed another 117pts against us this game. We're allowing about 107.5ppg (would have to calculate exactly after this one) since going small.

It's 107.1. Not only that, but we're now allowing 47.6% shooting on the season (worst in the league) and allowing 48.5% shooting since going small. Even worse, 49.2% shooting in the last ten games.

Again, we are the worst defensive team in the league.

I Heart Smallball.
 
Can we put Williams in the starting lineup at SF and put Tyreke back at PG? pretty please? We're not going anywhere with Isiah at PG and Tyreke at SF...sigh. I hate small ball.


Well it does improve our lottery chances...sigh
 
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It's 107.1. Not only that, but we're now allowing 47.6% shooting on the season (worst in the league) and allowing 48.5% shooting since going small. Even worse, 49.2% shooting in the last ten games.

Again, we are the worst defensive team in the league.

I Heart Smallball.

Huh, ok. I went back and added it up back to the Detroit game and came up with 107.57. Maybe misadded. Not good, whatever it is. And not getting better.
 
Can we put Williams in the starting lineup at SF and put Tyreke back at PG? pretty please? We're not going anywhere with Isiah at PG and Tyreke at SF...sigh. I hate small ball.


Well it does improve our lottery chances...sigh
Not enough shooting with that line up out there I don't think. Tyreke's a 2 IMO but I don't know what Smart's going to do with him. He needs to play more and score more. I'm starting to think he's getting in Smart's doghouse or something though. We don't play enough defense. Thornton got scored on a couple times and Tyreke is a better defender than that. But that was in the 4th.
 
We have a 3 guard rotation but we just refuse the use it as such.... Smart is still an upgrade to WP but I wish it was a one and done affair.
 
Can we put Williams in the starting lineup at SF and put Tyreke back at PG? pretty please? We're not going anywhere with Isiah at PG and Tyreke at SF...sigh. I hate small ball.


Well it does improve our lottery chances...sigh

What about just put Evans at SG, Williams at SF, Thompson and Cousins at PF/C and Thomas at PG.

It's nice to see the jabs at IT for Reke's poor play. It's always the fault of everyone else. Evans just plain sucked tonight. Saw it from about 5 rows up.
 
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Any coach that plays his 2nd best player on the team, out of position and least minutes of all the starters needs to be sacked immediately. We will NEVER be successful with Smart as our coach. He is not a winner. Never has been and never will be!

Time to do the right thing by the fanbase and get this team moving in the right direction and that starts with getting the right coach. I have NEVER stopped watching the Kings, not even when they were a 17 win team but this **** is becoming unbearable. It is the worst brand of basketball we have played in a VERY VERY long time. It never has and it never will be a winning combination.

I rather we suck playing the type of basketball that is a winning combination than suck playing exciting brand of basketball that never wins in the league. At least one way you have scope to improve and get there but what we doing now is detrimental to our development.
 
Any coach that plays his 2nd best player on the team, out of position and least minutes of all the starters needs to be sacked immediately. We will NEVER be successful with Smart as our coach. He is not a winner. Never has been and never will be!

Time to do the right thing by the fanbase and get this team moving in the right direction and that starts with getting the right coach. I have NEVER stopped watching the Kings, not even when they were a 17 win team but this **** is becoming unbearable. It is the worst brand of basketball we have played in a VERY VERY long time. It never has and it never will be a winning combination.

I rather we suck playing the type of basketball that is a winning combination than suck playing exciting brand of basketball that never wins in the league. At least one way you have scope to improve and get there but what we doing now is detrimental to our development.

I am all for a bigger lineup but we would be losing our 3pt shooting if MT is out of the starting lineup. IT would be the only guy out there that could hit it consistently.

We could realistically go with Cousins, Thompson, Greene, Evans, IT and be a big enough team, but I don't think we would be much better as a team than we are now. We would be better defensively but our offense would suffer a bit if the other team knew we couldn't hit the 3.
 
What about just put Evans at SG, Williams at SF, Thompson and Cousins at PF/C and Thomas at PG.

It's nice to see the jabs at IT for Reke's poor play. It's always the fault of everyone else. Evans just plain sucked tonight. Saw it from about 5 rows up.

IT DIDN'TZ PASS HIM DAH BALL!!!!!!

On a more serious note I agree. Posters have no problem ripping Smart, IT, Thornton, Petrie and just about every other King when they make mistakes (or in IT's case tonight, playing too good of an offensive game) . For some reason, pointing out errors from Tyreke or in his game makes you a "Reke Hater, who hates winning basketball" It's an interesting double standard
 
IT DIDN'TZ PASS HIM DAH BALL!!!!!!

On a more serious note I agree. Posters have no problem ripping Smart, IT, Thornton, Petrie and just about every other King when they make mistakes (or in IT's case tonight, playing too good of an offensive game) . For some reason, pointing out errors from Tyreke or in his game makes you a "Reke Hater, who hates winning basketball" It's an interesting double standard

Ehhh, I don't want to go down that road so I deleted what I posted..

I just think we should give him a year at SG and see what happens. Hope he can mesh with any guard not named Tyreke Evans.
 
You can close the poll, Brick. I gave you guys the reason in the Game thread, already: Evans is doing me a solid. ;-)
 
Huh, ok. I went back and added it up back to the Detroit game and came up with 107.57. Maybe misadded. Not good, whatever it is. And not getting better.

My fault. I missed the Detroit game when I was scanning through the starting lineups and started one game too late on my average. The 114 dropped by Detroit almost certainly represents the difference there.
 
the starting lineup has way too much scoring, it ends up biting us in the *** because 2 of our 4 top scorers aren't going to get enough touches, Tyreke tends to get lost if he isn't getting his shots, Thornton is a volume scorer that gets better the more shots he gets, right now he gets one shot, then waits 3 possession for his next play, can't get going. Its up to Smart to balance the lineup and get the most out of his rosters. Anyone can see that having our top 4 scorers in the same starting lineup, while our bench is filled with roleplayers is not how you win in this league.
 
the starting lineup has way too much scoring, it ends up biting us in the *** because 2 of our 4 top scorers aren't going to get enough touches, Tyreke tends to get lost if he isn't getting his shots, Thornton is a volume scorer that gets better the more shots he gets, right now he gets one shot, then waits 3 possession for his next play, can't get going. Its up to Smart to balance the lineup and get the most out of his rosters. Anyone can see that having our top 4 scorers in the same starting lineup, while our bench is filled with roleplayers is not how you win in this league.

Tyreke tends to get lost if he isn't getting the ball. Which he pretty much wasn't as long as IT brought the ball up. The offense just doesn't seem to incorporate him anymore. His role is simply to stand in the corner, provide a person to pass to temporarily and cut on occasion. It wasn't even about shots - he didn't get the ball, period. The thing is Smart is trying to play Tyreke as this defensive Bruce Bowen stand in the corner shoot 3s guy (which is really what we needed, and apparently could have gotten with Leonard), but Tyreke has never ever been that player. You can't expect someone to do something different in a few weeks when he's been doing something else his entire basketball career. That's just as bad as forcing Evans to be a PG like some feel, or playing Douby at PG etc. It's not a role that Tyreke is comfortable in. If you find that the defense is packing the paint against him, why not play him with Jimmer and Garcia and stretch the defense? I'm just saying that our coach has a talented guy, but instead of finding a way to make the most out of him he decides to conveniently chuck him in a role that he has never played and expect him to do it well.

One thing that I noticed was that Tyreke used to grab D-boards and race down the court. He didn't seem to do that this game. Whenever he grabbed a board he would just pass it off to IT or something, or bring it down the court a little slower and then hand it off.
 
IT DIDN'TZ PASS HIM DAH BALL!!!!!!

On a more serious note I agree. Posters have no problem ripping Smart, IT, Thornton, Petrie and just about every other King when they make mistakes (or in IT's case tonight, playing too good of an offensive game) . For some reason, pointing out errors from Tyreke or in his game makes you a "Reke Hater, who hates winning basketball" It's an interesting double standard

Nope, people throw Reke under the bus all the time, it is DMC that getting free pass(and I am ok with it).
What's wrong with ripping Smart? Nellie ball FTW?
Actually people ripping Reke more than MT.
IT? He is a role player and has no business starting for any team - yes i said it - it is stupid to let a role player go wild and suppress your 2nd best player.
 
Thornton Touches

From the few games I've been able to see on NBA TV, it seems like Thornton is something of a ballstopper. It usually doesn't bother me because he usually hits, but if he isn't getting many touches it's probably because his teammates know it's a goner once it gets to him.
 
Give the Spurs some credit for great defense when they needed it. Popovich has won 5 rings because he knows how to take away what the opposing team wants to do. They focused on Evans because he lit them up last time. The Spurs decided to make someone else beat them. Evans is a driving fool but his game is difficult to feature in the NBA because he has some limitations. It is good to see that he now is using his left hand like a professional. I liked Smart's line in the locker room last night when he said Evans needs to take the shots the defense gives him ... even if he misses all of them. Evans hasn't adjusted yet to the NBA quality defense. He still drives into 3 guys at once and makes the ugliest turnovers of the game. It is interesting that everyone is crying about Evans and no one mentioned that Thomas got 28 with 10 assists. Professional atheletes should not whine because they have to adjust their games to fit their teams. Neither should the forum wanna be coaches.

I think someone may have stepped in their own goo. This thread sounds like a bunch of old women making a quilt.
 
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Give the Spurs some credit for great defense when they needed it. Popovich has won 5 rings because he knows how to take away what the opposing team wants to do. They focused on Evans because he lit them up last time. The Spurs decided to make someone else beat them. Evans is a driving fool but his game is difficult to feature in the NBA because he has some limitations. It is good to see that he now is using his left hand like a professional. I liked Smart's line in the locker room last night when he said Evans needs to take the shots the defense gives him ... even if he misses all of them. Evans hasn't adjusted yet to the NBA quality defense. He still drives into 3 guys at once and makes the ugliest turnovers of the game. It is interesting that everyone is crying about Evans and no one mentioned that Thomas got 28 with 10 assists. Professional atheletes should not whine because they have to adjust their games to fit their teams. Neither should the forum wanna be coaches.

I think someone may have stepped in their own goo. This thread sounds like a bunch of old women making a quilt.

From the bee today a good article on Evans and what Smart wants him to do.

It's the kind of shot Smart has tried to get Evans not to take against a set defense.

"You're dealing with smart players that study the scouting report and understand the tendencies - not rush out, don't overcommit and invite the jump shot," Smart said. "And he's going to have to take those shots being the point guard, off guard or small forward. That's part of his development that he has to get to. He has to get there because if not it's going to frustrate him because they're going to close the lane off."

Read more here: http://blogs.sacbee.com/sports/kings/archives/2012/03/the-morning-aft-49.html#storylink=cpy
 
His shooting %'s outside of layups tell the whole problem with Reke's offensive game. He's an elite talent at getting to the rim, but great teams like the Spurs know how to take that away. No matter what position he's playing at, he has to be able to shoot far better than he's displayed, and learn to how to move without the ball like all the other great guards in the game know how to do.
 
Tyreke tends to get lost if he isn't getting the ball. Which he pretty much wasn't as long as IT brought the ball up. The offense just doesn't seem to incorporate him anymore. His role is simply to stand in the corner, provide a person to pass to temporarily and cut on occasion. It wasn't even about shots - he didn't get the ball, period. The thing is Smart is trying to play Tyreke as this defensive Bruce Bowen stand in the corner shoot 3s guy (which is really what we needed, and apparently could have gotten with Leonard), but Tyreke has never ever been that player. You can't expect someone to do something different in a few weeks when he's been doing something else his entire basketball career. That's just as bad as forcing Evans to be a PG like some feel, or playing Douby at PG etc. It's not a role that Tyreke is comfortable in. If you find that the defense is packing the paint against him, why not play him with Jimmer and Garcia and stretch the defense? I'm just saying that our coach has a talented guy, but instead of finding a way to make the most out of him he decides to conveniently chuck him in a role that he has never played and expect him to do it well.

One thing that I noticed was that Tyreke used to grab D-boards and race down the court. He didn't seem to do that this game. Whenever he grabbed a board he would just pass it off to IT or something, or bring it down the court a little slower and then hand it off.

Maybe Tyreke should go back to the bench. He had his best game of the year in Utah when that happened, then he went to starter and his performance plummeted. It was during that bench stint, by the way, that he did get rebs and race it down the court.
 
Give the Spurs some credit for great defense when they needed it. Popovich has won 5 rings because he knows how to take away what the opposing team wants to do. They focused on Evans because he lit them up last time. The Spurs decided to make someone else beat them. Evans is a driving fool but his game is difficult to feature in the NBA because he has some limitations. It is good to see that he now is using his left hand like a professional. I liked Smart's line in the locker room last night when he said Evans needs to take the shots the defense gives him ... even if he misses all of them. Evans hasn't adjusted yet to the NBA quality defense. He still drives into 3 guys at once and makes the ugliest turnovers of the game. It is interesting that everyone is crying about Evans and no one mentioned that Thomas got 28 with 10 assists. Professional atheletes should not whine because they have to adjust their games to fit their teams. Neither should the forum wanna be coaches.

I think someone may have stepped in their own goo. This thread sounds like a bunch of old women making a quilt.

Couldn't agree with you more, or Smart, for that matter. One little proviso: If the opposing team "gives" Tyreke 3 point shot attempts, I'd like to see him pass on those.
 
Was this really a lineup problem, an Evans problem, a somebody problem? I don't think so. Credit no. 1 the Spurs, they deserve a lot, a whole lot of credit, credit our propensity to make too many foolish attempts on offense, as always, couple of key break downs while Spurs made a couple of key successful plays. Otherwise, I don't believe it proved anything new about the Kings.

Keep emphasizing team play, looking for open shots or passing, hustling back on defense like a guard oriented team should be particularly good at (we're not). Do these sorts of things and all will begin to fall into place.
 
the starting lineup has way too much scoring, it ends up biting us in the *** because 2 of our 4 top scorers aren't going to get enough touches, Tyreke tends to get lost if he isn't getting his shots, Thornton is a volume scorer that gets better the more shots he gets, right now he gets one shot, then waits 3 possession for his next play, can't get going. Its up to Smart to balance the lineup and get the most out of his rosters. Anyone can see that having our top 4 scorers in the same starting lineup, while our bench is filled with roleplayers is not how you win in this league.

As soon as Reke puts on his big boy pants and gets a mid-range game, then Thornton can take his volume scoring to the 6th man role his game is built for. But given that the current roster is absent the SF player that is needed to balance this out, then we are stuck with this.
 
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/220170/Duncan_Impressed_With_Development_Of_Cousins

Cousins had 25 points and 11 rebounds while drawing praise from Tim Duncan.

"He's getting better and better," said Duncan. "Every time we play them he's getting better. He's getting more comfortable with his role. He's expanded his game and he always plays hard, so he's getting better."

Cousins also spoke of how he has looked to Duncan as a model.

"He's an incredible player," Cousins said of Duncan. "He's definitely a player I look up to in this league, just his all-around game, his composure, his leadership, all that. I was definitely taking notes tonight while trying to contain him."
 
His shooting %'s outside of layups tell the whole problem with Reke's offensive game. He's an elite talent at getting to the rim, but great teams like the Spurs know how to take that away. No matter what position he's playing at, he has to be able to shoot far better than he's displayed, and learn to how to move without the ball like all the other great guards in the game know how to do.
Yet I know you watched the game, and he WAS hitting the jumpers.
 
Yet I know you watched the game, and he WAS hitting the jumpers.

I don't deny that, and it was fantastic to see him hit a couple outside shots. It still doesn't change the fact he's shooting sub 30% from everywhere on the floor outside of layups on the season.
 
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