[Grades] Grades v. Spurs 3/11/11

Who would you want back next year? Click all that apply:

  • Evans

    Votes: 2 28.6%
  • Cousins

    Votes: 3 42.9%
  • Dalembert

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Udrih

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Garcia

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Thompson

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Casspi

    Votes: 1 14.3%
  • Greene

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Thornton

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Taylor

    Votes: 1 14.3%

  • Total voters
    7

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Three things:

1) I am still not sure I can remember a team with a record as bad as us consistently playing good teams as closely as we have played them for 3 months, and yet still finding a way to lose almost every game.

2) it is almost inconceivable that given our ability to playt he league's best teams pretty much dead even for 44 minutes almost every night, that with Reke back, added age/experience, a high lottery pick and massive free agency money, that this team does not take a giant step forward next season. I am not going to say they will until I have seen what they do this offseason, but if there were no lockout and you told me this team was going to make an OKC type jump and win 50 games next year I would not even blink.

3) but who to keep/not to keep now? Reke = keep, Cousins = keep, Daly = keep (defense), Thornton = keep (offense), Taylor = keep as a cheapie? I mean why not -- playing consistently well. Beno = probably keep? Kind of a key roelplayer, support guy. Cisco = probably keep? Vet leadership and shooting. JT = good guy, affordable big third big...you get the problem? We are going to win win 20 games, and yet you start marching down the roster there are good arguments to keep about 3/4 of our personnel, which I doubt happens given our plans to improve.


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Garcia ( B+ ) -- early long three. The Spurs kept on throwing the ball to him in the early third as he racked up 4 steals without having to move more than 2 feet in either direction. Hit a big three late in the third, and then a layup on the break to cut it to 4 late in the 3rd. Poked balls away from several Spurs' ballhandlers as well. This statline was not spectacular, but I felt like the game was better than the stats and we were getting a lot of saavy plays at key moments from the position while the Spurs were not.

Cousins ( C+ ) -- had a quick burst of early offense before the Spurs locked in and took it away. But it was the how the Spurs took it away that was interesting -- they started doubling him. On the catch, on the bounce, a team that has been one of the best defensive teams of the last decade, and who has the best record in the league, felt like they had to double our rookie to stop him. Same thing I said when they started doing that to Reke last year -- GREAT sign. And just as good a sign was Cousins response -- he again began to beat the doubles with great big man passing. No offense after the ealy burst and often got stripped when he did wade in there, but he was making the passes, and he was strong on the glass. Finally hit a long Duncanesque off the glass jumper in the mid 3rd for his first hoop since the opening minutes. And added a nifty no look pass on the move at the close of the third to Casspi for a layup to cut it to 4. I just mention that casually, but look, that's a play that only an elite handful of bigs, several of whom we had, could ever do. Made several offensive rebound tips off of Spurs or to teammates that will not show up in his own boxscore. In the 4th made a great pass to Taylor for a spectacular alley oop to cut the lead to three. Kind of had an interesting little tiff with Casspi down the stretch of the game when they both fought over a rebound and it flew out of bounds for a Spurs possession. Looked like they were sniping, Omri was waving his arms aroudn in explanation, and Cousins stomped toward the sidelines where Cisco came up to him and said something, and DeMarcus spun around, went back and high fived Omri, and life went on. Not able to impose himself at all offensively with the team sliding again. Spurs wouldn't let him, and he didn't come up with anything really brilliant in response. For a second game in a row chucked a desperation three at the end of the game, and that was that. There wasa lot of good to waht DeMarcus did out there, he showed a lot really. But offensively he was held way down, shot poorly, and turned it over, and so this grade is held down too.

Dalembert ( D ) -- jsut did not look comforrtable or settled out there at al this time, and as the Spurs went small, so did we (of course) and Daly's minutes were strictly, and perhaps mercifully, limited because of it. Did a reaosnabel job on the boards, but repeatedly tried to take Duncan 1 on 1 into the post -- why? Turned it over, missed his shots, and just generaly did not look focused or play well.

Thornton ( C- ) -- this was not at all Marcus's night, matched agaisnt a pretty good opponent in Manu. At no point was the shot there for him, and despite leading the team in minutes and FGA, 5 other Kings outscored him on the evening. Without Beno, and drawing a lot of attention, he did try to function as a passer and racked up a team high 6 assists for us. He made a number of mistakes, had 4 TOs, but shows nice quick thinking and brsts of unselfishness at times, quickly dropping passes to slashers and to people on the break. And again some of the struggle may be because as a starter teams are gameplanning for him in a way they could not when he was bursting off the bench. Some of it is better competition. And some of it is the lack of Beno there to set him up. But in any case his shot was never really on, there were no major bursts as our two most potent pieces (DeMarcus is the other) were held silent, and Manu dropped a smooth 24pts 7ast the other way. So not a good outing.

Head ( B- ) -- started off in this one like he was ready to make all of his KF detractors kiss his behind. Got beat on the first play by Parker's quickness, but settled in, girded up his loins, and for the remainder of the quarter actually got the better of the matchup, repeatedly stripping Parker, blocking his shots, and generally harassing the heck out of him. Unnfortunately of course there ware 4 quarters, and byt the end of this one Parker had gotten his, and then some (much of it however against others). Luther added in a terrible forced one on one 28 footer just to remind us of who he is and what he's not. Hit a three in the early third, but he ws no longer having the same effect defensively. Got victimized by a terrible call trying to block out Blair and got called for a foul when Blair climbed all over his back and fell down. Eventually lost his minutes to strong play from Tyalor and Pooh off the bench, but was pretty soldi for us, if obviously nothing special.

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Thompson ( B- ) -- gave us another solid account of himself in that "third big" role. Had a nice early help block on Blair, and a strong finish inside on the reverse layup. With a minute left in the half got the Kobeesque foul call on Bonner's ear agianst his elbow for the +1 opportunty, but missed the FT. Began to rack up fouls of his own, of course, and combined with turnovers to hold this grade down.,

Taylor ( A- ) -- a strong game from Taylor, and really he's put up enough of these recently, and consistently enough, that he really looks like a rotation worthy find that we picked up for basically nothing. In fact our midseason patching of the position has netted us Taylor and Thornton, who along with Cisco might in the end have the position covered. In predictable fashion out of the timeout late in the 1st got another of those alley oops from Cousins. 1 on 1 he still doesn't have what it takes, but as a role player he was excelling. Came up with a nice bkck from behind on Blair, and started running the floor and using his athleticism in the open court. Really was doing a bit of everything -- dishing passes in what continues to be a welcome revelation, hitting jumpers. But when matched on him was not staying with George Hill well off the off the ball movemnt or off the bounce. Came up with a drive and layin in the mid 4th to retie the game at 87, and had a spectacular alley oop out of the timeout at the 5:30 mark, again from Cousins, to put us up 3. 16 pts in 18 minutes works.

Jackson ( INC ) -- played the early 2nd banging big bodies with Blair, and if he didn't exactly win that matchup, he didn't get dominated either

Casspi ( B+ ) -- gave us a nice boost after coming in in the 2nd, knocking down a shot, playing some good defense, and making a nice pass inside to Thompson. Nice drive off the glass out of the timeout play late in the half. Was back and playing a lot of smallball PF, and knocked down a three in the late third to cut it to 6. That was followed by a layup on the break from Cousins at the 3rd quarter buzzer to cut it to 4. Added another three in the late 4th as we hung right there before our traditional, inevitable, fade. Fought with Demarcus for a rebound that we evntually lost at the 3:00 mark and they were barking at each other until Cisco said somethign to DeMarcus and it became all high 5s and kissie poohs.

Jeter ( B ) -- in to start the 2nd and immediately beat by Parker in what was a game long pattern, but then knocked down an open three which became a game long pattern the othe way. Hit several more jumpers in the first half. Was forcing both shots and drives in his second stint, but settled in and was called upon to run the team down the stretch. Felt this was a good game, but only one one side of the ball. And he seemed shot happy for some reason, although with most of them going in, it pretty much worked out. We fell apart again down the stretch, of course, but there was little of that you could directly pin to Pooh at the point.
 
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At this point, the only guys I don't see returning, unless traded, are Head and Darnell. I like Cousins/Dally/JT, but we need to add one more big through FA or the draft. I have no confidence in Whiteside contributing next year, given what he's done this season, plus teh fact it doesn't appear he'll have much of an offseason, being sidelined the next 4-6 months.

I see Beno/Tyreke/Thornton/Taylor/Omri all returning, with Taylor the least likely. I like him a lot though, and only see him improving. Need another ballhandler next to Tyreke though, and idealy, we'd have Beno/Thornton coming off the bench, and that would be a hell of a bench.

Donte, I have no clue what managemnt is thinking. They picked up his option for next year, but I would expect them to move him if the opportunity arises. If he ever develops, I think it'll be with another team.

On opening night next year, I expect us to start a sf who isn't currently on the roster, with Omri backing him up. I'd also retain Cisco for his leadership, and he might be the most important person in the organization right now when it comes to Cousins keeping his head on straight.

But the guys I'd let walk, are Head/Darnell, and try to move Donte if possible.
 
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Three things:

1) I am still not sure I can remember a team with a record as base as us consistently playing good teams as closely as we have played them for 3 months, and yet still finding a way to lsoe almsot everything game.

2) it is almost inconceivable that given our ability to playt he league's best teams pretty much dead even for 44 minutes almost every night, that with Reke back, added age/experience, a high lottery pick and massive free agency money, that this team does not take a giant step forward next season. I am not going to say they will until I have seen what they do this offseason, but if there were no lockout and you told me this team was going to make an OKC type jump and win 50 games next year I would not even blink.

3) but who to keep/not to keep now? Reke = keep, Cousins = keep, Daly = keep (defense), Thornton = keep (offense), Taylor = keep as a cheapie? I mean why not -- playing consistently well. Beno = probably keep? Kind of a key roelplayer, support guy. Cisco = probably keep? Vet leadership and shooting. JT = good guy, affordable big third big...you get the problem? We are going to win win 20 games, and yet you start marching down the roster there are good arguments to keep about 3/4 of our personnel, which I doubt happens given our plans to improve.


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A couple years experience would change the record a lot. If we got Kylie Irving (PG) and AK47 as a free agent, I think we'd be in good shape especially with another year's experience on 3 rookies and a 3 2nd year men --- 1/2 the team!!! THAT is a very young team. The 2nd year men play a big role and so does one of the rookies and one of the other rookies can stay as a bench player or starter depending on the draft pick. What I DON'T see is a bunch of guys who will come off the bench and whine about it. We have Casspi, Cisco, JT, and Thornton assuming we get a darn fine pass first PG.

It is a good team Brick. It's a young team with a will to win. Needs experience. I'm happy with where we are and am not surprised at how the year has played out. Experience means a lot in close games and we have lost a lot of close games.
 
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everyone with exception of head, pooh, and darnell. Im really surprised at jermaine taylor. When we first got him I thot he was just another scrub considering that we got him for cheap. A formerly weak backcourt (or frontcourt, always get the two confused) of reke, beno, taylor, thorton, and cisco is actually looking pretty decent to me right now.
 
I think we keep everybody but Donte, Pooh, Head and Jackson [might keep Pooh/Jackson because they're cheap and usually produce] and also maybe trade/waive Taylor, and maybe Beno if we can get a better point to replace him.
 
I'm a little iffy about keeping Dalembert. He tries to do too much on offense and that makes me cringe. But then again we won't find another shot blocking big like him out there in free agency so I'd resign him for a reasonable price. I'd also resign Thornton to play off the bench, he's better suited playing that role atleast for this team. Pooh can be a nice 3rd PG type of player so you could sign him for cheap I'm sure. Garcia I'd keep as well, he's clutch and the closest thing to being our leader. JT I'd love to keep for depth off the bench as well, if we could have a bench of Thornton, JT and one of Garcia/Casspi & Beno that's a pretty nice bench. We would obviously need to fill our gaps at PG and SF and that's where the draft comes in handy and FA. Get rid of Donte, Darnell, Head, Taylor.
 
A couple years experience would change the record a lot. If we got Kylie Irving (PG) and AK47 as a free agent, I think we'd be in good shape especially with another year's experience on 3 rookies and a 3 2nd year men --- 1/2 the team!!! THAT is a very young team. The 2nd year men play a big role and so does one of the rookies and one of the other rookies can stay as a bench player or starter depending on the draft pick. What I DON'T see is a bunch of guys who will come off the bench and whine about it. We have Casspi, Cisco, JT, and Thornton assuming we get a darn fine pass first PG.

It is a good team Brick. It's a young team with a will to win. Needs experience. I'm happy with where we are and am not surprised at how the year has played out. Experience means a lot in close games and we have lost a lot of close games.

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of adding AK. Doesn't require many shots, but after working with Hornacek, has improved his jumper. I love his defense though, and he could be a really solid glue guy. Similar to Prince, but younger. IMO, Prince might be too old to go after, and it doesn't appear he's the best lockerroom guy with some of the things I've heard this season.

The problem with going after AK though, is that Pokorov wants him, and they know eachother well. Add the fact the DWill is also now in NJ, it could be tough.
 
I'm a little iffy about keeping Dalembert. He tries to do too much on offense and that makes me cringe. But then again we won't find another shot blocking big like him out there in free agency so I'd resign him for a reasonable price. I'd also resign Thornton to play off the bench, he's better suited playing that role atleast for this team. Pooh can be a nice 3rd PG type of player so you could sign him for cheap I'm sure. Garcia I'd keep as well, he's clutch and the closest thing to being our leader. JT I'd love to keep for depth off the bench as well, if we could have a bench of Thornton, JT and one of Garcia/Casspi & Beno that's a pretty nice bench. We would obviously need to fill our gaps at PG and SF and that's where the draft comes in handy and FA. Get rid of Donte, Darnell, Head, Taylor.

I'd give Dally a 4 yr $32M deal, similar to what OKC gave Perkins, without hesitating. He's extremely important to our defense, and a vet presence alongside Cousins. If we let him walk, we'll regret it.
 
I agree. We are in one of those "good problem to have" situations.

However, if we come into next season with the same core roster (Keeping all of the guys you mentioned) but upgraded Jeters spot and Jacksons spot (Backup PG/4th big) AND get a new coach, I wouldnt complain. Even with all the cap room we have .. I really like this team, I really like these players. I want to see them succeed, but honestly .. we have been a disspointment this season. We should have more wins, and looking at the roster, the talent ... its much easier to blame the coach because the team is giving the effort almost every night. So many little things during the game can turn a 3 point loss into a 3 point win. Some bad sets on offense ... some bad rotations .. every little thing matters throughout a game when you lose so many close ones like we have. A better coach THIS season would have given us a few more wins at least, In my opinion.

I also think the odds of us not making a splash in free agency, or in the offseason via trade is unlikely. And if your looking at this team I think the easiest impact move to make is for a small forward.

Ive been a big Donte fan from the start, but it looks like this team doesnt trust him at all. Garcia is a great guy to have on the team. Great glue guy and a big time 3 point shooter. Scrappy defender, but not at the 3. Not to mention he has also become quite injury prone. He just isnt a starting small forward.

Casspi is the obvious trade guy. Value around the league because of his age at the postion that makes to most sense for us to go after. I also cant say I love the way he is developing, to be honest. Not bringing it on defense like he needs to be, and he is becoming way too one dimensional on offense. Cant dribble and cant pass. He's really only a shooter / fast break dunker right now. Not saying he wont develope more to his offense, but it doesnt look like it. He is attacking the basket LESS this season then he did last season, not a good sign. And I really do like Omri. He's tough and I know he really wants to win. Seems like a good guy, but if we are going to make that splash we say were going to make, SF seems like the most logical spot.

I wouldnt be against upgrading Udrih either. And if we get lucky and add Irving in the draft than well... that would be perfect.

Udrih-Thornton-Cisco-Thompson bench is nice.

I do think this teams biggest need is a new coach though. Thats really what I am looking for this offseason.
 
I'd give Dally a 4 yr $32M deal, similar to what OKC gave Perkins, without hesitating. He's extremely important to our defense, and a vet presence alongside Cousins. If we let him walk, we'll regret it.

Now my usual plea :) :) :) I think Dalembert is crucial to this team not only as a starter with Cousins but as depth if someone gets hurt - he has missed one game in his career. He will go elsewhere if offered less than the $12 mil he gets now. AK47 makes $18 mil. That's the one that makes me swallow hard. We have plenty of money and we are getting super bargains now. This is not going to be that way forever. If we add Dalembert at what he makes that doean't increase what is now the lowest team salary in the league. If we add AK47 at what he gets, it adds $18 mil. At that point I'd say halt but I'd hope AK takes less. A lot of the other guys are locked into their rookie limitations and some are just happy to play.

Why are we trying to low ball people when it is tradition that rookies are underpaid and vets are over paid? Is this the Sacramento attitude of not letting rich guys screw us over or what is it? I'll bet NO ONE can guess who the 2nd highest paid player in the league is. Don't look it up and give a guess.
 
The list:

Kings Evans & Cousins show - absolute cornerstones of franchise for years and years and years
Dalembert - need his D now, yesterday, tomorrow, while Whiteside develops, hopefully
Thompson - slowly, slowly improving, may never be big time starter, yet worth hanging onto for now
Udrih - solid for what he does, unless we can trade him for Goren Dragic!:-)
Casspi - improving every day, tough, intense, and still very young talent
Thornton - instant offense, looks like he might be improving on D to make himself a special weapon
Garcia - vet leadership, but needs to stay healthy for once
Taylor - seems hungry enough and if can keep on the cheap a roster keeper
Greene - i've seen enough and unfortunately it's mostly inconsistent garbage
 
A couple years experience would change the record a lot. If we got Kylie Irving (PG) and AK47 as a free agent, I think we'd be in good shape especially with another year's experience on 3 rookies and a 3 2nd year men --- 1/2 the team!!! THAT is a very young team. The 2nd year men play a big role and so does one of the rookies and one of the other rookies can stay as a bench player or starter depending on the draft pick. What I DON'T see is a bunch of guys who will come off the bench and whine about it. We have Casspi, Cisco, JT, and Thornton assuming we get a darn fine pass first PG.

It is a good team Brick. It's a young team with a will to win. Needs experience. I'm happy with where we are and am not surprised at how the year has played out. Experience means a lot in close games and we have lost a lot of close games.

I think I agree with all of this. Brick's comments, too.
 
I'm a little iffy about keeping Dalembert. He tries to do too much on offense and that makes me cringe. But then again we won't find another shot blocking big like him out there in free agency so I'd resign him for a reasonable price. I'd also resign Thornton to play off the bench, he's better suited playing that role atleast for this team. Pooh can be a nice 3rd PG type of player so you could sign him for cheap I'm sure. Garcia I'd keep as well, he's clutch and the closest thing to being our leader. JT I'd love to keep for depth off the bench as well, if we could have a bench of Thornton, JT and one of Garcia/Casspi & Beno that's a pretty nice bench. We would obviously need to fill our gaps at PG and SF and that's where the draft comes in handy and FA. Get rid of Donte, Darnell, Head, Taylor.

I agree about dalembert, but if he can get back to the way he was playing before, i wouldnt mind. Its not like his good offense was just one good game or something so he definetely can improve in that area.

And also, who is AK47?
 
We need a starting caliber SF more than anything. Preferably borderline allstar with good leadership. While I love both Donte and Casspi, both haver serious deficiencies that are hard to ignore. Also, while Thornton has been spectacular, I am not sold on him next to Reke yet. As good as this team could be and as much potential as we have, I still feel like we have one more step before we really make the leap. Not sure if its a new coach or strong veteran presence or a witchdoctor casting a spell on us, but we need something.
 
Now my usual plea :) :) :) I think Dalembert is crucial to this team not only as a starter with Cousins but as depth if someone gets hurt - he has missed one game in his career. He will go elsewhere if offered less than the $12 mil he gets now. AK47 makes $18 mil. That's the one that makes me swallow hard. We have plenty of money and we are getting super bargains now. This is not going to be that way forever. If we add Dalembert at what he makes that doean't increase what is now the lowest team salary in the league. If we add AK47 at what he gets, it adds $18 mil. At that point I'd say halt but I'd hope AK takes less. A lot of the other guys are locked into their rookie limitations and some are just happy to play.

Why are we trying to low ball people when it is tradition that rookies are underpaid and vets are over paid? Is this the Sacramento attitude of not letting rich guys screw us over or what is it? I'll bet NO ONE can guess who the 2nd highest paid player in the league is. Don't look it up and give a guess.

I highly doubt we'd have to throw $12M or more at Dally to get back, especially with the CBA getting restructured. My guess would be 7-9M per. I also think Dally is the type of guy to ask for a couple million less, knowing the Maloofs want to spend and really improve the team.
 
You clearly didn't record my vote right. I won't tell you what it was but at least six players I voted for didn't get recorded. I therefore request that you throw the results out now at 9:50 pm. Start over again or forget the results.
 
You clearly didn't record my vote right. I won't tell you what it was but at least six players I voted for didn't get recorded. I therefore request that you throw the results out now at 9:50 pm. Start over again or forget the results.

Yeah, we need a new poll. It only records one vote.
 
I think your question is rediculous because unless you have better replacements you keep them all. Try something different. Where would you get different players? The draft- all we could stand would be one player. We already have too damn many with little or no experience. Trades? We have to give good to get good. We can''t afford it. Signing free agents? Great but do I want to buy a pig in a poke? We haven't shown that we can spend our money wisely because we haven't spent any. We can but, but, ------. Getting better players is what we need. Someone suggest how we do that. In the meantime let's keep the players we got.
 
I agree about dalembert, but if he can get back to the way he was playing before, i wouldnt mind. Its not like his good offense was just one good game or something so he definetely can improve in that area.

And also, who is AK47?

Andrei Kirilenko
 
My bad on poll -- no time to fix and can't change it apparently. I'll just reask tommorow with multiple choice option.
 
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I like our team the way it is and think that time will bring the required experience followed by a much better record.
Unless we can get a star player, let these young players develop.
Building something solid takes simply time.
 
2) it is almost inconceivable that given our ability to playt he league's best teams pretty much dead even for 44 minutes almost every night, that with Reke back, added age/experience, a high lottery pick and massive free agency money, that this team does not take a giant step forward next season.
It is conceivable to me.

As I've said before, I fear that many of these close games are illusory.

I think many of the good teams (ESPECIALLY teams like the Spurs) know that they can turn up the defensive intensity and can make baskets in the last few minutes against the Kings and are not worried at all that the game is close through the 4th quarter.

It has been proven time and time again WITH THIS ROSTER that they can't defend in crunch time, and turn the ball over when they don't mess up running the play, or will miss the shot when they actually get one off.

I don't see why next year is so bright - both Cousins and Tyreke have not proven they are clutch or can even run plays in the final minutes this year.
And we all have seen how no one else can reliably make a play on offense or defense this year.

Bottom line - unless the Kings pick up someone in free agency that can actually MAKE A SHOT in the last few minutes of contested games, there's no way they can consistently win tight NBA games.
This roster has proven, without a reasonable doubt, that noone can do that (like the Jason Terry's, the superstars, etc etc etc can).

And I don't see Dalembert as the answer - he has taken WAY too many nights off as a productive player this year to be throwing $10+ million dollars a year on him.
And that's probably going to be what it takes to sign him next year- at least a 4-year deal, 10+ million/yr.
He's worth that to the richer teams that are fighting for a title. And he'll get it.
I don't want to see him on our roster, if he's not going to put out the effort it takes to be productive - and he hasn't proven this year that he will consistently do that - and we all know what happens after a long-term contract gets signed, after a contract year....
 
I highly doubt we'd have to throw $12M or more at Dally to get back, especially with the CBA getting restructured. My guess would be 7-9M per. I also think Dally is the type of guy to ask for a couple million less, knowing the Maloofs want to spend and really improve the team.

I second this comment. I don't know that 12M will even make sense with the new CBA, which is why I definitely wouldn't want AK's 18M. No thank you right now.
 
I highly doubt we'd have to throw $12M or more at Dally to get back, especially with the CBA getting restructured. My guess would be 7-9M per. I also think Dally is the type of guy to ask for a couple million less, knowing the Maloofs want to spend and really improve the team.

Right. Just because Dalembert and AK47 have very high current salaries does not mean they'll make that much on their next deal. I think either could be attainable for around the $8 million/per range you indicate, it's just a matter of how many years you're willing to tack on.
 
I went to the game last night, one of only 3 Kings fans that I saw. good game I thought Spurs got a lot of questionable calls. but DMC and Thornton had off games and we played them pretty well. Might be the last Kings game I go to before the team moves/changes name.


also the fans were chanting we want BENO......weird even for a former player.
 
I don't see why next year is so bright - both Cousins and Tyreke have not proven they are clutch or can even run plays in the final minutes this year.
And we all have seen how no one else can reliably make a play on offense or defense this year.

Agree. Both need to play a lot more and along side competent, experienced players which we have too few of right now. Of course I'm always optimistic, just not foolish.
 
Bottom line - unless the Kings pick up someone in free agency that can actually MAKE A SHOT in the last few minutes of contested games, there's no way they can consistently win tight NBA games.
This roster has proven, without a reasonable doubt, that noone can do that (like the Jason Terry's, the superstars, etc etc etc can).

This roster has proven without a doubt that it is young, nothing more.

Next year it will be less young, its best players moving toward primes that will have them among the 20 best in the game. Everybody who is left will have played together, begun to settle. This is just flat out the way it works. There is a reason there has never been nor never will be an NBA championship team full of college age kids. There is also a reason why teams composed of those kids routinely eventually get much better. If a kid can compete with the best at 20 but screw up, he'll be dominating by 23. This is the way of the sport. When you're a kid you airball three pointers like Kobe, have detractors whisper that the team is better off wihtout you if you're Durant, and then a year or two later, voila! its magic. But its only magic to those who could not see where it was going in the first place. For everyone else its just the process that every hyper talented young basketball player goes through. Its why teams draft for talent, not current play. In the end, talent always wins out.
 
Everybody seems to think I am wrong on salaries and that's fine as I think salaries are absurd. I won't start an argument about that. But I don't think you can cram a 1/3 cut in salary down a player's throat when he is in his prime and maybe you shouldn't. Would you take a 1/3 cut in salary? People say the new CBA will end up with less salaries which is what we all hope. How do you know what the new CBA is?

My reasoning has been based on Dally's contract. He is in his prime and making $12 mil (gasp!) a year. If he is normal, he is playing the best basketball he will ever play and be at that level for a few years. He is physically still skilled yet has the experience of a veteran which we have learned this year has value. (Remember all the close losses?) The same could be said of Kirilenko. (Does he still have the beautiful wife? That's a bonus to some of us) At this level of salary it is not the amount that counts but ego - who's got the biggest? Or it's about a ring.

It seems obvious that players are making too much. Witness a little PG #10 who used to play here. He gives up his whole salary to try to get a ring. That means he's made too much and needs no more.

If the CBA asks for a 1/3 cut in salary, hell will freeze over before the league plays another game. Even if it is just at the top end. If I am wrong, I will have regained a great deal of faith in humanity.

My guess is that the new CBA will accomplish at least two things: lower over all salary so teams don't go broke and bring parity among the players. Is Thornton really worth $750,000? Teams have gotten around the CBA by getting 4 to 6 high salary guys and the rest near minimum wage. In fact, that's what I am saying the Kings should do now that I think about it.

I can be 100% wrong but would like to hear how people think the new CBA will be. Or maybe there needs to be another thread.
 
This roster has proven without a doubt that it is young, nothing more.

Next year it will be less young, its best players moving toward primes that will have them among the 20 best in the game. Everybody who is left will have played together, begun to settle. This is just flat out the way it works. There is a reason there has never been nor never will be an NBA championship team full of college age kids. There is also a reason why teams composed of those kids routinely eventually get much better. If a kid can compete with the best at 20 but screw up, he'll be dominating by 23. This is the way of the sport. When you're a kid you airball three pointers like Kobe, have detractors whisper that the team is better off wihtout you if you're Durant, and then a year or two later, voila! its magic. But its only magic to those who could not see where it was going in the first place. For everyone else its just the process that every hyper talented young basketball player goes through. Its why teams draft for talent, not current play. In the end, talent always wins out.

Absolutely and I don't understand why people don't get it. Why call this a team that sucks when its problem is youth. OK, I guess both can be true. :) But don't blame the quality of this team on anybody because it is where it should be - maybe better than we could have hoped. And we can still tweak the team and get better. Open your eyes and brains, grasshoppers!

BTW, Rashard Lewis has the 2nd highest salary in the league at 20 mil. although there is a whole pile around $17 or 18 mil. Dally isn't in the top 30. I will guess he's around #40 and perhaps I am a little irrational about him as I think he is so crucial to this team. I have seen his athleticism. Whine about his offense as much as you want (at times ugly) but he has lead the team in scoring twice. He is a mentor to Cousins (worth a couple mil right there). I have seen him gently speak to Cousins and watched Cousins perk up. Sometimes people fit!
 
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