[Grades] Grades v. Raptors 12/2/2014

Guy who did the most to give us a chance this time?

  • Rudy Gay

    Votes: 17 29.8%
  • Reggie Evans

    Votes: 2 3.5%
  • Derrick Williams

    Votes: 22 38.6%
  • Ben McLemore

    Votes: 15 26.3%
  • Ramon Sessions

    Votes: 1 1.8%

  • Total voters
    57
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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We are now 0-16 in our last 16 games without Demarcus Cousins. Its ridiculous. Helpless as babes. But that was only the tip of the iceberg this time. Winning without Boogie has proven near impossible for us, but tonight we had to win without Boogie, and essentially without Collison, without JT, without Landry, and without a shred of defense. Tough.

On a more positive note Ben blew up for a while before turning back into a pumpkin. And a scrubby crew of Ramon Sessions, Reggie Evans, and Derrick Williams combined to try to hustle out an unlikely victory. But that is what we were reduced to. Coach throwing out random guys hoping for somebody, anybody, to catch fire and at least try on defense, and it was some of our least used personnel who did it. Which still equals a loss BTW when the league's best rebounder and your defensive captain is missing his 3rd straight game.

Boxscore

Stats: 39min 20pts (8-16, 1-1, 3-3) 6reb 10ast 0stl 1blk 4TO
Gay ( B+ ) -- you now...it hasn't been noted much, but Rudy has been undergoing a bit of a transformation of late. He and Cuz both have been apparently very consciously trying to extend their leadership to the point they create more shots for their less talented teammates than our PGs do. And after this game, in which Rudy set a career high with 10 assists, he is now averaging 4.4ast/gm, which is fully twice his 2.2 ast/gm career average. I think it was the right decision tonight. Toronto was loading up on him, he could have gone into inefficient chucking mode, could have gone into disappearing mode, instead he went into beat the pressure with a pass mode. He actually got off to a rough start, as he and Ben (who was a primary beneficiary of Rudy's passing, with 3 of his 8FGs assisted by him) went back to back throwing terrible attempted passes to each other for turnovers. Worse, his replacement in Toronto, Terrence Ross, gave a bit of an early scare when he suddenly started bombing away out there -- this you will remember is a guy who's really nothing special day to day, but who got so scorchingly hot once last year that he dropped in 51. Well, he got off to that kind of start here, bombing in 15 in the first quarter and making you go, *gulp*. Rudy himself started doing things, he had assists to Hollins, to Ben, to Reggie, he came up with a block on defense and a good outlet ahead to start the break. Late in the quarter he started heating up and hitting some tough shots. When he returned in the second quarter he resumed setting people up and now ended up[ in duel not with Ross, who faded back and would have only 5 more points, but instead with James Johnson, who was mysteriously able to blow right by both Ben and Rudy repeatedly for layups. At one point in the third, had 13pts and 8ast, which is more of a PG line than a major scorer line, and was rarely pressing the issue on offense. There were a few tough drives, but almost no dribble dribble dribble fallaway midrange jumper stuff. Did step up with 9min to go in the 4th to take and hit his only 3 and cut the lead down to 6. And made another strong play with 4 minutes to go grabbing a good offensive board on a missed Reggie FT to give us an extra possession. He was under control, he made unselfish plays and often smart ones...but the one thing he was not was a primary goto guy, and I couldn't help think that this style of play might be extremely useful once we get the big guy back, but without him, we needed a #1 option, and we didn't really have one and were left searching down the stretch, trying Ben, trying Rudy, and finally turning to much maligned figures like DWill and Sessions to try to win it. Another *gulp*. In any case 20-6-10 on 50% shooting is nothing to be laughed at. But the ease he was scored through early, and the sense that we needed him to force the issue just a little more if we were going to pull this one out leaves the grade down a bit. --Brick

Stats: 19min 4pts (2-3, 0-0, 0-0) 3reb 1ast 0stl 1blk 1TO
Thompson ( C+ ) -- The start of the game for the Raptors was a bit chaotic. JT was part of it. Trying to move Amir Johnson was not very successful and the early offensive rebound and following tip in attempt were way off the target. In defense JT kept Johnson under control, but in the other end Johnson was able to easily box out JT. Trying to help out Hollins, something that he would not be required to do with DMC, brought him his first foul. In my opinion, JTs low scoring is partially due to the fact that he does not get touches in the offense. Once he got, he scored from the key. JT could not do much in his position against the Toronto 3-point barrage, his rebound released a fast break resulting in Casspi’s 2 points from the line. I couldn’t see why he got the second foul, which created the need to replace him, but the foul was changed to Gay. That foul resulted in 2 points by Johnson. Immediately thereafter JT committed an offensive foul and headed to the bench. He came back at the end of the 2nd quarter. Enough to sink a 2-pointer again from the key. The 3rd quarter began with a quick foul by JT on Valeanciunas. I’m not sure if it really was a foul, but it was recorded. A little while later Valenciunas dragged Thompson to the 4th foul. JT continued to run up and down the court until the 5th foul. In my opinion part of his low scores results from him not being part of the Kings offense at all. The ball simply doesn’t go his way. He worked hard in defense, but the Raptors 3-point play was out of his defensive range. --Kingston

Stats: 7min 2pts (1-2, 0-0, 0-0) 1reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Hollins ( D ) -- Hollins only played seven minutes, but it was a seven minutes that our team would rather forget. Hollins got the starting assignment and "anchored" a Kings team that was so moribund on both offense and defense that most DISH customers were probably regretting the recent Comcast agreement. He didn't do much - he missed an 8-foot jumper and somehow hit a "dunk" where he came up short driving down the lane and had to kind of release early. The big deficit early wasn't entirely his fault, but the team functioned so poorly while he was in that Malone didn't even give him the nod to start the second half. --Capt.

Stats: 39min 21pts (8-17, 1-5, 4-4) 0reb 2ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
McLemore ( B+ ) -- Ben got off to a rough start throwing an off target alley oop to Gay and then missing his first two shots. He made his third shot of the night, but his foot was on the sideline for a turnover. He followed that by driving the lane and missing a floater. Finally, before exiting the game at the 3:40 mark of the 1st quarter, Ben stopped and popped a 15 footer. He re-entered the game at 10:02 of the 2nd, and almost immediately drove the lane, and made a nice dish to Casspi for an easy basket. He then hit a corner three, and was off and running. The ESPN highlight reel was about to start. He grabbed a rebound and when end to end for a layup. On his next possession he drove straight down the right side of the lane and went through and over two defenders for a spectacular dunk, and one. He finished out the half by scoring off an alley oop from Gay, and then hitting a pullup 16 footer. In the second half, he started out where he had left off, by driving the lane, laying it in, and being fouled. He then stopped and popped from 14 feet on the left baseline. At this point, I'm thinking, maybe a star is being born before my eyes. However, he proved he was human a play later by missing a long three. After a short stint on the bench, he returned, but was fairly cold the rest of the way. Fortunately on two of his misses, D. Will was right there for the putback. On the other side of the ball, he played good defense most of the night. He got caught in a couple of screens, but except for that, he was solid. Cousins absence has obviously meant more shots for Ben, and so far, he's risen to the occasion. If he can continue to play this effectively, he has a chance to be special. --Baja

Stats: 19min 4pts (0-5, 0-0, 4-4) 3reb 4ast 2stl 0blk 1TO
Collison ( D- ) -- not really sure what to say here. This was a weird effort, or should I say non-effort. This is our PG, our leader credited with stabilizing us and having a lot to do with the hot start. He has been if nothing else solid almost every night until the last one. And yet he came out here today and if I didn't know better, and I don't, I'd almost say he didn't want to be out there. Maybe he was planning to rest the leg until he heard Cousins was out, who knows. But for whatever reason he was out of it (in fact so was Carl, so not sure what was up). So much so that not only did Sessions take the bulk of his minutes and play the entire stretch run, Ramon actually DESEREVED to. DC's head just didn't seem in things from the beginning, he was trying to force too much too fast on offense, getting blocked, turning it over. And defensively he was getting blown by not just by Kyle Lowry, but by Greivis too, which just shouldn't happen. He just simply was not locked in. He did pick up a couple of gambling steals, he set a few people up. It was half a step from completely worthless. But he missed all his shots, and he got torched. And if it doesn't have something to do with that leg then Kyle Lowry is an even badder man than I thought he was (I spent years advocating picking him up before he was a star, and he's repaid me by crushing us every time we face them. Ingrate). DC was done by the mid third, and the amazing thing is I wasn't waiting with bited breath for him to return. He deserved to be out, and indeed may never have really arrived. Not sure why. And in the end the same PG who was outdueling CP3 and Lillard now got spanked 27 and 13 to 4 and 4. We basically played without Cuz OR Collison. --Brick
 
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Bench

Stats: 23min 9pts (3-4, 0-0, 3-5) 4reb 5ast 1stl 1blk 3TO
Casspi ( B ) -- spent a lot (all?) of the evening playing out of position as a smallball PF, normally next to Reggie, who is even shorter than he is. Brought his trademark hustle, in the first half battled on the boards, unfortunately battling against Reggie as much as the opposing team. On one play rumbled and stumbled full court for a winding selfish take starting with his own d-board, and finishing with a layin at the other end. that was too reminiscent of old Omri. But on the evening was in the same mode as Rudy, notching 5 assists of his own as we got 15 assists out of our SF to make up for the lack of ballhandling/assistmaking in our backcourt. Had a problem all night long closing effectively on the Raptors shooters. Don't know why. he was there, seemed to be in positon to challenge, but they were bombing over him anyway. Got the start after half for the token Hollins, and immediately got out on the break
and ended up REALLY clobbering Amir Johnson with a full speed elbow to the jaw that looked like a boxing punch. Because modern refs have apparently been given instructions that they are reffing a powder puff league, they even went over to check if it was a flagrant. Was active in his starting minutes battling with Johnson, who's kind of a finesse 4 (pisses me off no end on this one -- Toronto is tailor made for Boogie to destroy, they have no frontline). On one play did a nice job of moving off the ball, going on a great circle route around the entire court before taking a pass from Rudy at the end and scooting in along the baseline. Kept his head up and was notching assists. Near the end of the third got to the line and badly missed both FTs in what I hope is not a sign -- Casspi has been an excellent FT shooter this year, but he never has been at any other point in his career, including just last year. You don't want the bubble to burst. Lost his late minutes not because of poor play, but because Derrick Williams, turned to in a bit of desperation by Malone, came oncourt and just absolutely exploded to carry us back in this and give us a chance. So with Rudy and Williams and Ben (who actually didn't do much after the third) there was just no room for Omri in the late lineup. --Brick

Stats: 32min 10pts (3-3, 0-0, 4-6) 7reb 1ast 0stl 0blk TO
Evans ( C ) -- The start of the game for the Raptors was a bit chaotic. JT was part of it. Trying to move Amir Johnson was not very successful and the early offensive rebound and following tip in attempt were way off the target. In defense JT kept Johnson under control, but in the other end Johnson was able to easily box out JT. Trying to help out Hollins, something that he would not be required to do with DMC, brought him his first foul. In my opinion, JTs low scoring is partially due to the fact that he does not get touches in the offense. Once he got, he scored from the key. JT could not do much in his position against the Toronto 3-point barrage, his rebound released a fast break resulting in Casspi’s 2 points from the line. I couldn’t see why he got the second foul, which created the need to replace him, but the foul was changed to Gay. That foul resulted in 2 points by Johnson. Immediately thereafter JT committed an offensive foul and headed to the bench. He came back at the end of the 2nd quarter. Enough to sink a 2-pointer again from the key. The 3rd quarter began with a quick foul by JT on Valeanciunas. I’m not sure if it really was a foul, but it was recorded. A little while later Valenciunas dragged Thompson to the 4th foul. JT continued to run up and down the court until the 5th foul. In my opinion part of his low scores results from him not being part of the Kings offense at all. The ball simply doesn’t go his way. He worked hard in defense, but the Raptors 3-point play was out of his defensive range.
--Capt.

Stats: 29min 15pts (5-11, 0-0, 5-6) 6reb 4ast 0stl 0blk 2TO
Sessions ( B ) -- you know, a lot of shade gets thrown at Sessions, and for good reason this season. But its a mistake when it prevents you from acknowledging a good game, and Ramon legitimately helped this time. It was there in the numbers: 15pts 6reb 4ast 2TO, in the minutes: 29 to Collison's 19, and in the +/- on the night: he led us at a +14. It was his best/most solid effort of the season, and if there were still problems (principally that Kyle Lowry hates us for some reason and destroyed our PGs again) they weren't for looking like he had never picked up a basketball before this time. As the very first thing he did was commit 1 of his 2 TOs leaping in the air before trying to pass, which is too remedial a lesson to even bother being included in Basketball 101, there was no reason to suspect we were going to get much help here. But he hit a pullup jumper, made a real nice pass to Stauskas at the rim, and began to look like an actual backup PG. And as his confidence surged, he really became pretty much the man for us in the early 2nd, scoring on pullups, getting to the line. And when he came back for that complete scrub Collison in the 3rd, he immediately resumed scoring and was so much more effective than Darren that we just stuck with him right down the stretch. Unfortunately with Ben losing his feel, with Rudy doubled and content to pass, we ended up trying to beat the East's team with a "give the ball to Sessions, he'll save us" offense down the stretch. Inexplicably, that did not work out for us, as eh began to revert to struggling Sessions, blew a layup we needed, and began to look shaky again. Then again, if our starting PG had shown up for the game, maybe we aren't asking Sessions to try to save us. Anyway, this was much better than we have seen, and Sessions' presence in the poll above was not a joke. The way Collison was playing, if Ramon doesn't step up and yes, steady us, we lose by 30. Its just a terrible sign when you are asking him to try to win the game for you. --Brick

Stats: 17min 6pts (1-2, 0-1, 4-6) 0reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Stauskas ( C- ) -- Nik got more minutes tonight, and not because of his offense, but because of his defense. Never thought I'd say that, but he played very good defense tonight. No, it wasn't perfect! He got caught in a couple of pick and roll's in the second half, but every time the Raptors decided to go at him one on one, he was very solid.. In the first half Williams immediately tested him one on one, and although he made a shot over Nik's outstretched arm, it was tough shot. Ditto a bit later when Ross, who was hotter than a bed of coals went at Nik from the left corner hit his shot, it was highly contested by Nik, who stayed in front of both players. From that point, I have no notes of anyone scoring a basket on Nik in a pure one on one situation. Every score against him came off of a screen. Where once again, he needs to get stronger. Three different times Nik was left guarding Williams at the top of the key when the Raptors went into their one/four set, and all three times Williams missed. Now that I've gotten the good stuff out of the way, lets journey into the underworld. Offensively Nik is really struggling with his shot. He's lost all confidence, and the only way to regain that confidence is to shoot your way out of it. It couldn't have been more evident, when Sessions passed him the ball at the three point line with no Raptor within 20 feet of him, and he passed the ball right back to Sessions. That one sequence almost netted him D-. Malone immediately called a time out, and you could see the was extremely angry and yelling something at Stauskas as he came off the floor. No surprise that Stauskas got his number called out of the timeout. Nik even missed two freethrows. Your talking about a player that shot close to 90% in college. Keep shooting, and quit thinking, and you'll be fine. --Baja

Stats: 2min 0pts (0-0, 0-0, 0-0) 0reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 2TO
Landry ( INC ) -- Carl started by letting the jump ball won by Casspi roll out of balance, but corrected it immediately with a steal leading to Ben McLemore’s authoritative dunk. Amir Johnson was clearly too big for Carl to hold. Quick three fouls moved Carl to the bench for good. --Kingston

Stats: 14min 18pts (8-12, 1-3, 1-3) 4reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Williams ( A ) -- I don't think there can be any real question about this most random of all grades. DWill was back out of the rotation, didn't play a minute in the first half, and then got turned to out of desperation in the late third, and he just took over the game for us and was easily the biggest reason this one looked as close as it did at the end. He just came in attacking and firing on all cylinders. Was no smarter than normal, but simply more aggressive and just flying inside with his athleticism. Our assisting SFs found him as he slashed. He had some big offensive follows, he hit a corner three, and he just scooted to the hoop again and again. Outside of missing some FTs there wasn't much bad to say about it other than him not being a board presence when Reggie had to step up to stop penetration. The Raptors never did figure out what to do about such a direct and straightforward athletic attack from a guy they probably didn't even bother to include in their scouting reports, and so Williams dropped in 18 point in 14 minutes (on 12 shots in 14min), and we closed the 14pt deficit that we faced when he entered down to 4pts, but just could never quite get over that hump (largely because we couldn't stop anybody). And so this has to be an A. One of those out of the blue almost sure not to matter next game type DWill explosions, but the most dynamic thing we had on the night as Malone went searching down his bench for answers. --Brick
 
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I have a feeling that someone is going to have to pull a 'B.A. Baracus' on Cousins to keep him from playing on Friday.
 
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something has to be done about relying on DeMarcus so much as a team....it's unheard of. Not one single victory without the big man, Pete needs to go get a third banana someway somehow...
 
Malone's lineups make 0 sense. Doesn't address the issues just throws our random guys and hope it works. The raptors toyed with us, they were beating us outside and our coach takes out the bigs. Then they started to go inside and we go even smaller. Can't get a rebound in the 4th ? No attempt to fix it, kept the same line up out there.
 
Pete definitely needs to do some work. This team has some glaring weaknesses. Like 3pt shooting, backup PG, and anyone with size outside of JT/DMC
 
It's really not.

Well I legitimately have to wonder what the record is for that sort of thing. Falling off can happen with poor teams -- see what happened when Minny would lose Kevin Love. But no wins at all? For years? We haven't won a single game without DeMarcus since the Maloofs were still trying to sell the team to Seattle.
 
Malone's lineups make 0 sense. Doesn't address the issues just throws our random guys and hope it works. The raptors toyed with us, they were beating us outside and our coach takes out the bigs. Then they started to go inside and we go even smaller. Can't get a rebound in the 4th ? No attempt to fix it, kept the same line up out there.

You've essentially repeated the same complaint all night. So knowing the players we have, what lineups would you have utilized? If you can't answer intelligently, maybe it's time to call it a night.
 
Malone's lineups make 0 sense. Doesn't address the issues just throws our random guys and hope it works. The raptors toyed with us, they were beating us outside and our coach takes out the bigs. Then they started to go inside and we go even smaller. Can't get a rebound in the 4th ? No attempt to fix it, kept the same line up out there.

I don't know exactly what you expect him to do other than that odd Landry situation, who obviously wouldn't be a defensive/rebounding sub anyway. We needed boarding, so we had Reggie out there. He stuck with Sessions because Collison was awful. He brought back Ben to try to get some shooting, although I think he may have benched him for casual defense. But Ben could never regain fire. Stauskas was back to scared kid. And Williams was playing so well there was no place to put in Casspi. Reggie, Rudy, Williams, Ben all were important for various reasons.
 
See the Spurs the year David Robinson got hurt, they went from being in the WCF to winning only 20 games. Of course, they then went on to draft Tim Duncan with their subsequent high draft pick and the rest is history.
They still won twenty games. They didn't go winless without Robinson. We're not 4-12 without Cousins; we're 0-16. That's rather above and beyond simply being bad without him. We are completely winless without him.
 
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You've essentially repeated the same complaint all night. So knowing the players we have, what lineups would you have utilized? If you can't answer intelligently, maybe it's time to call it a night.

You have JT and Hollins both with 26 combined minutes played. They are fresh and they can come in to grab a board or two. Are we really keeping Evans out there after he couldn't get a board ? Did we keep him out there for his offense ?
 
What i don't understand is Collison plays poor and gets benched for the entire 4th. When Sessions has played like complete crap all season and just keeps getting those minutes
 
What i don't understand is Collison plays poor and gets benched for the entire 4th. When Sessions has played like complete crap all season and just keeps getting those minutes
Except that Sessions didn't suck tonight, which is what is relevant to the discussion. And, we get it, you hate Sessions, so you're fixated on the last four minutes when Sessions played poorly, and completely no-selling the other twenty-five minutes he was on the court, when he didn't.

Sessions was bad at the end. Collison was bad all night. It was not a mistake to not go back to him.
 
Except that Sessions didn't suck tonight, which is what is relevant to the discussion. And, we get it, you hate Sessions, so you're fixated on the last four minutes when Sessions played poorly, and completely no-selling the other twenty-five minutes he was on the court, when he didn't.

Sessions was bad at the end. Collison was bad all night. It was not a mistake to not go back to him.

i am not saying Sessions was the reason we lost. rebounding and interior defense was. But it's just strange.

And maybe Ramon wasn't terrible but he wasn't great
 
You have JT and Hollins both with 26 combined minutes played. They are fresh and they can come in to grab a board or two. Are we really keeping Evans out there after he couldn't get a board ? Did we keep him out there for his offense ?

Reggie is a MUCH better rebounder than those guys. He's been one of the very best rebounders in the league for a decade. He was also better than those guys in THIS game.
 
i am not saying Sessions was the reason we lost. rebounding and interior defense was. But it's just strange.

And maybe Ramon wasn't terrible but he wasn't great

It's not really that strange, though. It would be one thing if Collison wasn't on offensively, but was still hustling on the other end; he wasn't.
 
Apropos of nothing, how many times do you reckon we're going to shoot fifty-two percent, and have twenty-eight assists, and lose?
 
Reggie is a MUCH better rebounder than those guys. He's been one of the very best rebounders in the league for a decade. He was also better than those guys in THIS game.
Not when it counted 8 offensive rebounds for the Raps in the 4th Q. Reggie grabbed 2 boards in that 4th. Sure he came in and provided a huge spark but he was ineffective in the 4th and we should of attempted to bring any other big to see what they could provide us.
 
Well I legitimately have to wonder what the record is for that sort of thing. Falling off can happen with poor teams -- see what happened when Minny would lose Kevin Love. But no wins at all? For years? We haven't won a single game without DeMarcus since the Maloofs were still trying to sell the team to Seattle.

Just a weird random basketball stat that pops up from time to time really doesn't have any meaning or can really be explained. Obviously, Cuz is hugely important to the success of our team, but our current roster isn't 0-16 bad without him. The roster last year when we were without Rudy and Cuz for that 8 game stretch might have been close, but not over the course of a whole year. No team is ever that dependent on one player.

And it's not really fair to judge a team when missing it's best player. If we never had Cuz, I can safely say we wouldn't be rolling out Hollins at starting C every night. We'd have an actual C there and spend the Cuz max money on somebody or several somebodies.
 
I don't know exactly what you expect him to do other than that odd Landry situation, who obviously wouldn't be a defensive/rebounding sub anyway. We needed boarding, so we had Reggie out there. He stuck with Sessions because Collison was awful. He brought back Ben to try to get some shooting, although I think he may have benched him for casual defense. But Ben could never regain fire. Stauskas was back to scared kid. And Williams was playing so well there was no place to put in Casspi. Reggie, Rudy, Williams, Ben all were important for various reasons.
These are all good observations. Only decision I would take issue with is not putting Casspi in towards the end of the 4th when the offense was anemic. Wasn't Omri's best game but some of those kamikaze drives would have been better than relying on Evans put-backs to get any points
 
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