Grades v. Raptors 11/15/2015

Should we trade DeMarcus Cousins?

  • Yes, immediately

    Votes: 9 11.1%
  • Yes, at the end of the year

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Yes, Grant told me so

    Votes: 2 2.5%
  • Yes, Ziller told me so

    Votes: 7 8.6%
  • Yes, the National Media told me so

    Votes: 6 7.4%
  • Yes, 64yr old coaches are more fun to watch

    Votes: 1 1.2%
  • Yes, he complains too much

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Yes, all of the above, just YES

    Votes: 5 6.2%
  • no?

    Votes: 51 63.0%

  • Total voters
    81
  • Poll closed .

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Boxscore

Stats: 37min 27pts (10-16, 1-3, 6-7) 6reb 3ast 1stl 0blk 4TO
Summary: was on the same page with Rondo all night, and gave us a critical second source of points

Gay ( B+ ) -- Rudy is a very good player, but he's not a great player. Just about every game, he decides at some point that he's going to win the game by himself. How often he decides to do that, determine's how good a game he has overall. Tonight he did it too many times when the game was on the line to suit me. Every game, I find myself screaming at my TV as Rudy drives into traffic after dribbling the ball for 20 seconds, and either turning the ball over, or throwing up a wild looking shot. He scored 27 points tonight on 10 of 16 shooting. That sounds impressive, but he owe's a big thank you to Rondo, who got him some easy baskets. If all you do is look at his stat line, you'd have to give him an A. But personally, I think I'm being generous giving him a B+. I don't want to demean him too much, because he did have a good game, and was able to score when others were struggling. Except Cousins of course. Rudy's defense was decent to good, depending on which part of the game were talking about. Overall, it was a typical game for Rudy. A lot of good, with some bad sprinkled in. The only thing separating him from the next level, is his tendency to be the hero. There's some irony in that somewhere. --Baja

Stats: 8min 0pts (0-0, 0-0, 0-0) 4reb 0ast 0stl 1blk 1TO
Summary: took an early knock on the noggin that has us playing Acy in his place while he was in the locker room getting checked out

Cauley Stein ( INC ) -- other than getting baited into a foul leaving his feet by Derozan, did a nice job on defense in the early going of this one. Even stayed in front of Lowry on several possessions. But on the other end he was looking distressingly like Jason Thompson, fumbling catch after catch and rebound after rebound. And the thing is, hand eye coordination isn't one of those things you can teach. Took an elbow to the head by Valanciunas and then despite having no symptoms got held out because everybody is terrified of concussions nowadays. --Brick

Stats: 41min 36pts (12-22, 3-6, 9-12) 10reb 3ast 1stl 3blk 3TO
Summary: from a dominant offensive first half where he was almost shrugging, he won this one in the late gong with great defense as well

Cousins ( A+ ) -- If he keeps this up through the roadtrip, I want him greeted with a much less tentative MVP chant when he gets home, because right now he's about one Curry rolled ankle from having a claim to it. I actually quit taking notes by the mid second because I was like Cousins in this one, just shrugging at the absurdity of it all. So your 6'11" 270lb center is standing out there bombing in threes at the same efficiency Klay Thompson was last year, and has become such a threat that he even had Kyle Lowry foul him on one of them for 3 FTs. Then every time somebody steps out toward him, your 6'11" 270lb center puts the ball on the floor, gets his man on his shoulder and trains to the hoop. If somebody gets in his way, your 6'11" 270lb center eurosteps around them and reverse flips up a nifty layup. If they don't, he pounces for a big dunk. Back when we first drafted Cousins, Pete Carril said something I have never forgotten, that "he plays a game with which I am not familiar." Which is quite a statement when its made by your 80yr old basketball guru who's been in the game since the 1950s. Well I've never seen this before either and really there's nothing to do but pump your fist as the big guy goes and does something else that no other big man should even be attempting, let alone executing. It was up to 23 points at halftime, and it got bad enough he just chased Valanciunas, a good 16-10 center, right to the bench. More attention, a more mobile Bismack Biyombo, and what looked like fatigue, slowed the assault in the 3rd, but down the stretch Boogie took over again and just carried us on home on both sides of the ball. that's what the "+" is about by the way. He didn't even have a great rebounding night, but Boogie's defense was strong all night, and down the stretch just smothering as he blocked and altered every attempt by the Raptors to get inside, then went down the other way and scored as well. Not counting the injury game vs. the Clips he's now averaging 30.5pts 11.3rebs and just got done back to back to back stomping maybe the three best centers in the East. There's really not much else to say: MVP! --Brick

Stats: 25min 8pts (3-6, 2-4, 0-0) 4reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 0TO
Summary: was scared Ben again until Rondo practically forced him to take a three, and then wild rided in a weaving drive to help us win it late

McLemore ( B ) -- After playing his way into a bench spot at the start of the season Ben worked his way back into the starting lineup, and in this game he solidified that spot by bringing the perimeter defense that this team needs out of him. He didn't have a huge scoring night, but he did a great job of locking down DeRozan, who only went 2-5 against Ben and only really went off when the Raptors moved to a three-guard lineup slotting DeRozan at the 3. Ben also made at least four very good defensive plays in transition - on one he stopped the ball which ended up getting kicked out for a three, but nonetheless he stopped the ball. Ben did go 2 of 4 from deep, even if he had to be encouraged to shoot one of them by Rondo. But even though he played well in the first three quarters, Ben's best stint was his short one in the fourth when the Kings were pushing for the comeback. He came in and passed up another three, but this time to find an open Belinelli, and shortly thereafter he drove aggressively into the lane at the 1:40 mark to give us the lead and score what would prove to be the game winning basket, as the Kings D (with Ben Mac's help, certainly) held the Raptors scoreless from that point on. --Capt.

Stats: 43min 7pts (3-10, 1-3, 0-0) 7reb 14ast 2stl 0blk 7TO
Summary: threw the ball absolutely all over the gym in the first half, saw his man go into god mode in the third, and yet his leadership meant everything

Rondo ( B- ) -- you know, in the early going of this one Rajon Rondo was giving the ball to the Raptors as often as he was giving it to Kings, and yet somehow, I wasn't mad. And maybe that's partisan, but maybe there's more to it. Rondo exudes a certain level of calm, of being in control. Few of his turnovers are truly wrongheaded, and even the ones that are impress as sort of a more data for the computer, will adjust programming accordingly sort of thing rather than chronic mistakes resulting from a lack of talent or bball iq. And when he wasn't giving the ball to the Raptors, or committing an illegal screen (don't often see that one from a small guard), he was doing a lot of good stuff on both ends. He was slapping balls away and sneaking in for steals, hit a three, set guys up etc. In the early third he repeatedly found Rudy on backcuts for alley oops (which is the correct way to counter the Raptors very aggressive perimeter defenders jumping and poking at everything). There was also the minor issue of Kyle Lowry going bonkers from downtown in the third, but with one exception, those really weren't Rondo's fault per se. Other guys were guarding him, or they happened after we did our switch everything up top, and the guy who took Rondo's man suddenly was facing a hot Lowry above the arc. And while Toronto tried to bomb us out of the building, there was Rondo, going almost the whole way again, jsut keeping us in it, steadying the ship. he was working especially well with Rudy, ketp finding him behind the Raptors defense. One time Ben did not want the shot at all and passed it to Rajon who immediately threw it right back to Ben wit instructions to shoot it I'm sure, and it finally got Ben off the schneid. he still can't shoot, and even airballed a three in the early 4th as we tried to come back. But once again his steady patient generalship was a huge key late in the game, and he got an all out hustle steal at the 1:30 mark after we had taken a 1pt lead. There were still a couple of shaky moments therafter when people (looking at you Rudy) got dumb and forced things, but we held on, and the overwhelming impression was of rondo serving as Boogie's yoda and keeping our big weapon focused.--Brick
 
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Bench

Stats: 26min 7pts (2-8, 1-3, 2-2) 2reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 2TO
Belinelli ( D+ ) -- Marco actually notched one minute more than Ben did tonight, but it's hard to say that he earned it. He was scoreless until the later part of the third quarter and only managed two field goals on the night - one of them was a very big three-pointer during our fourth quarter comeback, and we shouldn't dismiss that, but when your defense is as bad as Marco's was tonight you've got to be a major contributor to the offense or you might as well sit down and let James Anderson at least guard your man. Sometime in the third quarter I just plain stopped trying to keep track of the times that Belinelli got beat on D - his best defensive play of the night (knocking the ball out of bounds off of Norman Powell) came after the rookie Powell had driven right past him and gotten a clear lane to the basket. --Capt.

Stats: 26min 14pts (6-9, 1-4, 1-1) 5reb 0ast 2stl 1blk 2TO
Casspi ( B+ ) -- Strange, I have the same complaint about Omri that I had about Gay, just to a lesser extent. I think Gay is more thoughtful about his unintended mistakes, where Omri is simply out of control at times because he's not thinking. He takes on the appearence of a bull in a china shop. But you can never say he wasn't giving his all. Omri only knows one speed. Warp speed. The good thing is that Omri continues to shoot the ball well. Tonight he had 14 points on 6 of 9 from the floor while grabbing 5 boards. He also had a couple of steals, and of course, a couple of mandatory turnovers. Omri can't resist trying a two foot pass in traffic under the basket. But, I can't be too hard on him. He's one of the few on the team capable of hitting a shot on a regular basis, and he busts his butt on defense. Sometimes the results aren't what you hoped for, but you can't fault the effort. He was an important part of the win tonight. --Baja

Stats: 13min 3pts (1-2, 0-0, 1-2) 1reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Koufos ( C- ) -- while I think its possible space aliens might have stolen Kosta's talent, he was not so much terrible tonight as just totally irrelevant. Early in the game he had his his 1 shot at doing something, got a good offensive board in the early 2nd, but then quick shot a hook and missed it touchlessly again. Reinserted in the late third next to Cousins and helped as we were getting beat around the glass at the time. Otherwise did no more than buy us time until we could get the big guy back out there. --Brick

Stats: 5min 3pts (1-1, 1-1, 0-0) 1reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Curry ( INC ) -- he hit a solitary three in his brief rest Rondo stint, but wasn't able to free himself or create for others otherwise. We need Collison back. --Brick

Stats: 15min 2pts (1-2, 0-0, 0-0) 3reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Acy ( B ) -- had a short stint in the first half wihtout much effect, but became a more important piece after we lost WCS to the blow to the head. Got the start in the third, and apart from getting whistled for 1 bogus flagrant foul on Valciunas, was playing strong D again on Scola and the guards. this is a guy who's beard has always been worse than his bark on D, but maybe Karl has convinced him that's his route to the rotation now. Made a nice pass to Ben in the corner for a three too, and generally this was again a game where he put up his normal anemic numbers, but he's making those good roleplayer plays right now that we have had so few of for the last decade. Play good defense, make the right pass, its not that hard, but its something not enough guys do. --Brick
 
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Cousins defense was sensational. Not only did he play Valanciunas(a above average center by all standards) off the court, literally made him look like a D league scrub, but his interior help defense was amazing.

Give Raptors credit, they are a very good team and pretty much gave us their best punch. This team would have folded a week ago, but they kept fighting. A legit statement win by the Kings. Hopefully WCS is fine and Collison re-joins the fray next game.
 
Cousins defense was sensational. Not only did he play Valanciunas(a above average center by all standards) off the court, literally made him look like a D league scrub, but his interior help defense was amazing.

Give Raptors credit, they are a very good team and pretty much gave us their best punch. This team would have folded a week ago, but they kept fighting. A legit statement win by the Kings. Hopefully WCS is fine and Collison re-joins the fray next game.
No joke he has been dominating the center competition this year

Val is a 16/10 dude... Just had a 4 point 9 shot game

Our front line is no joke
 
Rondo + Cuz just carrying big time. Lowry and DD went off and we still beat the Raptors even Carroll/Patterson who has played crap all year went off.

Am I the only one who thought Ben traveled on that shot that put us up he took a huge bunny hop before he put the ball on the floor I thought.
 
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The Kings needed to win this one SO damn bad, it's scary.

There's a big difference between 3-8 and 4-7.

Few observations:
* The refs really helped the Kings in the 4th quarter (after the complete bogus double-tech on Boogie).
If they didn't give them the benefit of the doubt on all those calls in the last 4 minutes, the Kings lose that game.

* The Kings FO had better start complaining to the league and sending tapes about goons constantly getting Cousins into techs by blatantly getting tangled up with him. It's gotta be a 66% success rate over his career, and there's almost zero downside. It's only going to become more common until the refs actively start protecting him the way they do every other superstar.

* I think Cousins can get quite a bit better.
He's not elevating/powering around the basket hardly at all, doesn't have much energy most of the game, slumps and pouts too much, and at times goes for the block and misses instead of securing the rebound. He's hardly in control out there.
And he's still dominating.

* I really thought they'd lost this one halfway through the 4th.
This is the kind of win they can pattern a playoff run from - when the other team just keeps hitting you in the mouth (this game, by the Raptors making absurd amounts of tough threes), the Kings ended up hanging in until they stopped raining them down and gutted out the victory with tough defense.

* I'm officially over Jerry Reynolds, and can't wait for him to be replaced by Doug Christie.
That guy literally doesn't know what's going on on the basketball court anymore - he's simply repeating what he has said the past 10 years.
 
Rondo + Cuz just carrying big time. Lowry and DD went off and we still beat the Raptors even Carroll/Patterson who has played poopoo all year went off.

Am I the only one who thought Ben traveled on that shot that put us up he took a huge bunny hop before he put the ball on the floor I thought.
Yup he traveled on that play. Win some, lose some.
 
This is what I was looking for! I knew this team had this kind of effort in them! Need to get and stay healthy. Take THAT act on the road !
 
I sincerely enjoyed watching the Kings playing tonight and winning the very tough Toronto Raptors opponent, DeMarcus Cousins is just remarkable really, like a natural phenomenon, every game he puts some incredible numbers on the floor and leads the Kings to the coveted win.
But I believe that not all the burden should be on him, if you ask me he is maybe too much active on the floor and I'm afraid that it might dilute him a bit as the season goes on, although we need to be patient, Belinelli is yet to restore his rhythm from the three-point line, but he is a true professional and it will happen sooner or later, and when Collison is back on the court the scoring distribution will take some pressure out of DeMarcus's wide shoulders as Collison is one of our most lethal scoring threats, things will connect for us eventually and every player will find his role on the team.

It was very satisfying to watch Casspi having another decent game after his frustrating performances against the Nets, he is very tough and rough player, he gives his heart out on the floor every single night for the team struggle and for the ultimate cause of winning games, he rebounds the ball very well and fill the lane in the correct way and the Kings are getting buckets due to it, he made life pretty tough for Patterson in this one, for those who watched this game pretty strictly you might noticed that he even shook Patterson off of him and made him fall and had he scored the three-point shot he took, it could've been very unique play, overall Casspi was one of the reasons for the Kings win in this game, and I would like to see him contributing in the same ways in the rest of the games.

Go Kings!
 
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Woohoo indeed!!! Toronto, Detroit, tight games with the Clippers 2X as well as with Golden State, and now with DC returning, let the road trip begin!!! :D

You forgot the Nets game. I watched the Nets-Warriors game, in which the Nets took the Warriors to overtime after leading practically all the way. The Warriors were very lucky to win that game.

The only game that I'm feeling bad about was the Rockets. There was no reason for losing that one.
 
The Kings needed to win this one SO damn bad, it's scary.

There's a big difference between 3-8 and 4-7.

Few observations:
* The refs really helped the Kings in the 4th quarter (after the complete bogus double-tech on Boogie).
If they didn't give them the benefit of the doubt on all those calls in the last 4 minutes, the Kings lose that game.

* The Kings FO had better start complaining to the league and sending tapes about goons constantly getting Cousins into techs by blatantly getting tangled up with him. It's gotta be a 66% success rate over his career, and there's almost zero downside. It's only going to become more common until the refs actively start protecting him the way they do every other superstar.

* I think Cousins can get quite a bit better.
He's not elevating/powering around the basket hardly at all, doesn't have much energy most of the game, slumps and pouts too much, and at times goes for the bylock and misses instead of securing the rebound. He's hardly in control out there.
And he's still dominating.

* I really thought they'd lost this one halfway through the 4th.
This is the kind of win they can pattern a playoff run from - when the other team just keeps hitting you in the mouth (this game, by the Raptors making absurd amounts of tough threes), the Kings ended up hanging in until they stopped raining them down and gutted out the victory with tough defense.

* I'm officially over Jerry Reynolds, and can't wait for him to be replaced by Doug Christie.
That guy literally doesn't know what's going on on the basketball court anymore - he's simply repeating what he has said the past 10 years.

Good post but disagree strenuously on you Jerry Reynolds comments.
 
The next poll should be: Should we fire our coach?:)

Probably the most impressive win of the year. McLemore making last the key last minute shot was the head scratcher, and extremely entertaining. It looks like McLemore is finally playing some D also. If you watch clips of McLemore getting back on D now as opposed to just a few games ago you'd think he was a different player altogether.
 
ya know, for all the hand-wringing about the kings' lack of spacing due to poor outside shooting, this team has very quietly ascended to second in the league in 3-pt percentage so far this season, behind only the defending champion golden state warriors. granted, the kings remain in the bottom half of the nba in 3-pt attempts per game, and they've required an otherworldly outside shooting performance from demarcus cousins through the games in which he's played to achieve their current status, but it still strikes me as worth noting that the roster vlade has assembled may be less inept from beyond the arc than previously thought, especially if it's legitimately another weapon that big cuz has added to his arsenal...
 
ya know, for all the hand-wringing about the kings' lack of spacing due to poor outside shooting, this team has very quietly ascended to second in the league in 3-pt percentage so far this season, behind only the defending champion golden state warriors. granted, the kings remain in the bottom half of the nba in 3-pt attempts per game, and they've required an otherworldly outside shooting performance from demarcus cousins through the games in which he's played to achieve their current status, but it still strikes me as worth noting that the roster vlade has assembled may be less inept from beyond the arc than previously thought, especially if it's legitimately another weapon that big cuz has added to his arsenal...

And Ben is quietly shooting 40% from 3 for the year. The season is still young and we could chalk it up to small sample size, but he does seem to be a little more reliable when he gets a look from outside over these past few games.

I think the majority of the complaints stem from the lack of spacing in our starting unit. When we are trying to create space for Cousins to operate, his 3pt% is not a factor. Then you have Cauley-Stein, Gay, McLemore, & Rondo. Cauley-Stein & Rondo don't provide him much space and Gay is an average 3pt shooter that leaves you needing a very solid, consistent 3pt shooter at SG. If McLemore can keep shooting at a 40%+ rate than we shouldn't have many issues.

Once the bench comes in (Collison, Curry, Belinelli, Casspi, Acy) you have many more players who can help spread the floor. The main issue is finding that spacing in the starting unit. If we get McLemore shooting 40% or above and Cauley-Stein, in a year or two, is able to develop a 15 foot jumpshot, I don't see many problems having a big three of Cousins/Gay/Rondo going forward.
 
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