[Grades] Grades v. Raptors 10/20/2015

If the Kings met the Raptors in the Finals, who would win?

  • Kings

    Votes: 49 84.5%
  • Raptors

    Votes: 3 5.2%
  • whoever had home court

    Votes: 6 10.3%

  • Total voters
    58
  • Poll closed .

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There seem to be a fair number of people in the Kings diaspora who seem to be rather exaggeratedly down on the Kings. Yes, we are all doomed and all that. Except that hasn't been the product on the floor. We continue to hang around and hang around, can win on any given night, are now 10-9 when we have Cousins, 10-7 when we have him until the end of the game. We jumped on the Raptors early, and then just sort of hung on, but we never let them really have control. It certainly could have gone other ways, but it didn't, and after our 1-7 start things haven't gone wrong at least as often as they have.

So off to Washington, which if we had been able to take better and quicker care of business here would have loomed as the most winnable game on the whole trip. Of course you never know with us, but that's a major step forward from years past. We'll be the better team on the floor tomorrow. The new question we have to answer every night is if we are going to play like it.



Boxscore

Stats: 41min 19pts (7-17, 1-5, 4-4) 9reb 1ast 3stl 1blk 2TO
Summary: unremarkable effort except in its being unusually determined.

Gay ( B- ) -- was about the only guy missing shots in the early going, but would return to play an important role trying to keep us moving at least a little ahead when Cousins went out with 2 fouls. Came in and immediately scored on a baseline turnaround, and would continue to scatter in hits from that same spot over Patterson (a small, but natural PF) all night. Had a few moments of renewed board weenieness that cost us two hoops, but on the night got back to sticking his nose in there. Drove and took a hard foul taking him out of the air in the mid-2nd, but shook it off and it looked worse when it first happened than it turned out to be. Down the stretch of the half was just about the only King still functioning after we re-lost Cuz to foul trouble and gave away most of our lead. Played a poor third, and finished it off by and tossing up a bad three point shot with 5 seconds to go that had no hope and almost let the Raptors drop a three back the other way, which would have made the lead only 5 and been a mini-disaster. Stepped up and hit a huge three up top -- his only made three on the night -- with 4min to go as the Raptors were smallballing and doubling Cousins and bit bit them in the butt.


Stats: 34min 15pts (6-8, 3-4, 0-1) 11reb 3ast 1stl 0blk 3TO
Summary: hit his threes and made up for the terrible Minny boardwork, but wild turnovers continued

Casspi ( B+ ) -- began the game with a poor little awkward flip inside, but then started dropping threes as we tried to blitz the Raptors off the court. Was on the board this time, made easier by the Raptors being miniature beyond Biyombo, and aside from a handful of truly headshaking bad, no, let's make that terrible pass turnovers, stayed efficient. And when Cuz returned to the game in the 4th and it became winning time, Casspi worked better with him than anyone, spotting up or slashing off of the constant doubles the Raptors were throwing at Boogie, knocking down a three, making a strong drive at the 3:30 mark, and figthing for a strong d-board at the 2:15 mark. Syhnergy

Stats: 32min 15pts (5-13, 1-1, 4-8) 9reb 5ast 2stl 4blk 2TO
Summary: was a +33 in this one despite only 15pts as he dominated defensively and beat constant doubles with his passes

Cousins ( B- ) -- came out to play in this one, starting off the game again with the steal to start things, then a three, and he was a major menace on defense, blocking shots and repeatedly poking balls away up top to disrupt the Raptors offense.defense, boards. And in something that would come to define much of this game for Cuz, the Raptors knew they had nothing to stop him with, and so they were doubling him hard, and often off the ball, and Cuz's passing was great as we tried to blow them out. Very calm and mature, leading me to believe it was part of our gameplan coming into this one rather than something he was having to resort to after being surprised by the doubles. In any case he was picking the Raptors apart, and if foul trouble hadn't finally sent him to the bench, maybe we would have gotten the rout that we looked headed too -- when he was on the court we were +33, when he was off, -23. With the constant defensive attention was not scoring, but with everything else he was doing was dominating play anyway, and when he picked up his 3rd foul on a pick and roll after having played only 11 minutes in the half and threw his headband he got T'd up, and we began to collapse in alarming fashion once again. Another good pass in the early 3rd, but not hitting his very few shots and having to play arms straight up defense in the 3rd. Was doing a real good job of staying big though, and I don't think Biyombo ever did finish a shot over him. Began to look tired on offense despite the lack of minutes, slugging his way to the line. I've always had a theory that he's a bit like a star wide receiver when the ball isn't coming his way. When he returned to the game in the 4th the game took on a distinctive feel as the Raptors smallballed and doubled him incessantly, thus leaving our guys open play after play around the rest of the court. He threw down a couple of ferocious dunks, but otherwise the offense wasn't great. Nailed Casspi for a couple of passes though, and if he wasn't having another one of those too common struggling nights from the line would have gotten up around 20pts just by being too big for the Raptors smllballers (they were guarding him with Patrick Patterson much of the time. Slapped away another ball on defense with 1:15 seconds to go to set us off on the sealing break and a 12 point lead. And in the end it was all the other stuff he was doing, the blocks, the steals, the passes, and all the guys open as he got doubled, that drives this grade. Against a team determined to double him even without the ball he was never going to score much (although if he had been on, it would have been more than he did). But he made all the other contributions that keyed this victory, and when he was on the floor we were much MUCH better than the Raptors. When he was off, we were much worse. There's a decent grade in that observation.

Stats: 19min 12pts (5-7, 2-4, 0-1) 3reb 0ast 0stl 1blk 1TO
Summary: Mysteriously short minuted here after a strong start, although he did lose control of DeRozon in the 2nd

McLemore ( B ) -- running the floor and taking passes from Rondo for dunks and threes in the early going, and smoothly hit another three in the early 2nd after he returned. But he began to lose control of DeRozan, who was the main reason the Raptors mounted their comeback. His second half minutes would be limited. He would score on one ore curl =1 in the 3rd, and again, as in Minny when it mattered, miss the FT. He picked up a couple of quick fouls in the early 4th, one when Scola got in front of him for a charge, the other on a DeRozaan baiting. And then he was gone and forgotten about again. While its deceptive because of his limited minutes, its also telling that Ben himself had a +22 in his 19 minutes -- that's because about half of them came in our early game blowout, and then whether he faded or we forgot about him, we never got that going again and had to struggle on home to the victory.

Stats: 39min 19pts (8-13, 1-4, 2-2) 2reb 13ast 1stl 1blk 5TO
Summary: Even before Lowry left often had total control of this one, and was able to squirt righ to the rim all night lone.

Rondo ( A ) -- briliant passing in the early going set the tone here, and he repeatedly took advantage of all the attention being paid Cuz to just gallop straight to the rim for little finishes. A full court gallop in the early 3rd in which he appeared to commit an uncalled offensive foul may have helped Lowry get so upset he got booted a couple of pays later. etc.
 
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Stats: 26min 6pts (2-5, 0-1, 2-2) 0reb 2ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Belinelli ( D ) -- missing everything in the early going again, a couple of good passes, but leapt in the air and tuned it over on the pass for a turnover to give the Raptor a breakway to make it a 7pt lead going into halftime. One more time after bad game, stepped up to hit an important jumper in the early 4th, but there was no bam! bam! to go with the first bam! this time, and this was not a quality effort. Still, was not his fault down the stretch as Karl left him in to have to guard James Johnson in the post. That worked well.

Stats: 24min 7pts (3-6, 0-0, 1-4) 7reb 0ast 0stl 1blk 0TO
Koufos ( C+ ) -- in fairly quickly for Gay, and he and Cuz worked well together in those early minutes with Kosta defending the backside of plays, rebounding when Cuz didn't, making himself available for passes, etc.. But was missing his FTs again, and everytime Cuz left the game and Kosta slid into his spot we quickly started backsliding. Slipped to the rium for an easy dunuk from Rondo to start the 4th.

Stats: 26min 11pts (4-7, 1-2, 2-2) 1reb 2ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
Collison ( C ) -- For most of this game did little beyond force dumb reckless 1 on 3 speed drives fullcourt. Took another ill conceived too quick corner three with 2:00 min to go....but sunk it to make the lead 10 and avoid the criticism for not using the clock or looking for better plays.
 
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This team is maddening to watch. New teams take time to gel I know that , it happens when you integrate anyone together . Even a team with prime Lebron and wade and bosh took time to get some chemistry . it just is frustrating to watch the failed experiments that Karl obviously hopes will work with more time . The problem is if it doesn't work soon this whole team could be blown up and back to the beginning we go .

Anyways rondo and Casspi were the difference . Cousins fg percentage is terrible for a center . Good win but a lot of bad play .
 
This team is maddening to watch. New teams take time to gel I know that , it happens when you integrate anyone together . Even a team with prime Lebron and wade and bosh took time to get some chemistry . it just is frustrating to watch the failed experiments that Karl obviously hopes will work with more time . The problem is if it doesn't work soon this whole team could be blown up and back to the beginning we go .

Anyways rondo and Casspi were the difference . Cousins fg percentage is terrible for a center . Good win but a lot of bad play .

his FG% is back to being like it was when he was a rookie. That's what happens when you have him more perimeter oriented. No use of crying over it anymore...it's not going to change, he's going to remain on the perimeter and occasionally go in the post against smaller defenders but in the process remain to shoot sub 45% for the season IMO.
 
I liked the balanced scoring. Six guys had at least 11 points. We shot 52% overall and 43% on threes and had 26-15 assist/TO ratio. A lot of positives, I don't know how we almost gave this one away.

DMC was off offensively but he only took 13 shots and didn't kill us. He was a positive in many other areas and only made 2 TO.

I cringe every time Cousins shoots a jump shot...I'm not sure what happened to it. It's gone just like Gay's three point shooting.
 
The thing is, Karl never goes back to the starting unit for any significant amount of time after the first 8 minutes of any game. Regardless of how well they are playing.

He needs to play his two favorite players Rondo and DC together for the majority of the game, regardless of outcome. It's the way the old timer rolls, no if's or and's about it.
 
it's worth noting that, in the kings' last four games, they've held their opponents to 94, 99, 97, and 97. i'm nowhere near ready to call it a trend, but it's nice to see the team giving a reasonably consistent effort on the defensive end, occasional [and maddening] open three-pointers aside...
 
I still think we're winning despite coaching.

We have a talented roster, that's enough to overcome Karl's tomfoolery.... some nights.

Small ball lineups continue to suck. And while our defense is improving, the overall scheme leads a lot to be desired. Cuz on the perimeter is also very meh.

Anyways, awesome to get a road win against a tough, albeit short handed, opponent.
 
One doesn't need optimism. The Kings can win the next one with a little planning, early effort,shot making, hustling on defense. They can lose it just as well. Come on , guys, win he for the gipper.
 
I still think we're winning despite coaching.

We have a talented roster, that's enough to overcome Karl's tomfoolery.... some nights.

Small ball lineups continue to suck. And while our defense is improving, the overall scheme leads a lot to be desired. Cuz on the perimeter is also very meh.

Anyways, awesome to get a road win against a tough, albeit short handed, opponent.

Give it a rest.
 
I still think we're winning despite coaching.

We have a talented roster, that's enough to overcome Karl's tomfoolery.... some nights.

Small ball lineups continue to suck. And while our defense is improving, the overall scheme leads a lot to be desired. Cuz on the perimeter is also very meh.

Anyways, awesome to get a road win against a tough, albeit short handed, opponent.
Agreed....I'll give Karl props on some of the positive things going on...Rondo, 3 point shooting, scoring.....but his small ball lineups are pretty damn frustrating. Specifically, the super small ball lineup of DC, Rondo and then Bellinelli with one of the SF's. Two games in a row where the other team forced Sac to defend a big SF with a guard and it got abused. Lets see George adjust.
 
Agreed....I'll give Karl props on some of the positive things going on...Rondo, 3 point shooting, scoring.....but his small ball lineups are pretty damn frustrating. Specifically, the super small ball lineup of DC, Rondo and then Bellinelli with one of the SF's. Two games in a row where the other team forced Sac to defend a big SF with a guard and it got abused. Lets see George adjust.

One can hope he does. We may need to rent the space on a billboard near his home to get the message through.
 
The thing is, Karl never goes back to the starting unit for any significant amount of time after the first 8 minutes of any game. Regardless of how well they are playing.
Yep. Grant said in 2 nod quarte how the Kings don't seem to be playing like they did in the first 7 min. Hum that's because that team never got on the court together until the start of the 3rd.
 
I still think we're winning despite coaching.

We have a talented roster, that's enough to overcome Karl's tomfoolery.... some nights.

Small ball lineups continue to suck. And while our defense is improving, the overall scheme leads a lot to be desired. Cuz on the perimeter is also very meh.

Anyways, awesome to get a road win against a tough, albeit short handed, opponent.
I disagree. It's hard to win with your big 3 consisting of Rondo, Gay, and Cousins. (All of whom are ball dominant) Not every coach can draw up a good offensive game plan to incorporate all of these guys and the rest of the team.

Rondo is pure playmaking PG that can't shoot. He limits your floor spacing ability on offense. Gay is a guy scorer who can handle the ball, but you wouldn't make him your point-forward. He's a player that loves to iso within 15ft of the basket, while not passing it very much. Cousins is a guy who loves to get the ball all the time. He likes to pound the ball in the paint and bully his way through defenders.

All of these guys are talented, but not all of the coaches in the NBA could make a good offensive scheme that pushes his players to the max of their potential.

Karl has helped Rondo develop his shooting..his 3pt % is at .368...a career high. This has been Rondo's best season since probably 2011. Rudy has continued to play at a nice level, while having his lowest usage since his Memphis days in 2010. Cousins is still a beast this year. It's hard to evaluate him under Karl because injuries have lingered him. Still doesn't take away the fact that with him, we've been 10-9.

Not to mention Omri is having his best year of his entire career..better than his rookie year..which was really exciting.

Karl had made this team one of the best offenses in the NBA. We're winning partly because of coaching. We've also lost because of coaching..but the blame and credit goes both ways.
 
Man, the Raptors really came out disinterested, dug themselves a huge hole, then came back and made it interesting before ultimately coming up short. Probably been watching too many Kings games.
 
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