[Grades] Grades v. Pistons 12/13/2014

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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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Way to try to bleed out the very last of the optimism from the season guys,.

Boxscore

Stats: 36min 20pts (6-22, 4-7, 4-4) 8reb 8ast 1stl 0blk 3TO
Gay ( C ) -- this was a curious game for Rudy in some ways, a typical one since he's been left alone out there in others. He displayed erratic shot/pass decisionmaking early, but part of that was caused by a gamelong problem -- Rudy is primarily an inside scorer, and the Pistons have an enormous frontline which heavily disrupted that all game long. So instead what we got was Rudy as Kyle Korver -- he hit 3 threes in the first half, and unfortunately that kept him looking at that shot all game long. Or maybe fortunately given that he was 4-7 from three point land, but only 2-13 from inside the arc. In any case however Rudy gay being chased out to the three point line to bomb away is more concession than conquest. The thing of it was, more than anybody else on the floor rudy seemed to be the guy trying to rally the troops and will them to a win. He's just not good enough to do it on his own, and he had virtually no help After 10 straight Kings misses to begin the 3rd quarter, Rudy finally ended a long scramble sequence with a little flip, one of only two shots he hit inside the arc on the night as despite hard work inside balls just continued to roll out around the rim. Deserves credit for AGAIN leading the Kings in assists, and AGAIN threatening a triple double -- one of the most dispiriting things about our Cuzless collapse is that Rudy has been doing everything you would ask of a 2nd guy in this situation, except he's not quite good enough, and neither are we. Set up several guys for assists down the stretch, bhut his own offense had been pretty much reduced to the occasional ill conceived missed three, and with nobody else scoring either, we were sunk. Gonnas give him the + here for at least trying to lead. If we ever get our real leader back, I think we will have pretty good leadership, even if we obviously haave soem dangerous talent issues. --Brick

Stats: 19min 8pts (4-6, 0-0, 0-0) 7reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 2TO
Thompson ( B- ) -- maybe just maybe...but no, I don't really beleive what Iw as going to say, so why say it. Suffice it to say JT started this game off very hot. He had 8pts 7reb in the game, and he had 8pts 5reb of those in the first qarter alone as he faced down both Monroe and Drummond. Made faceup jumpers, attacked inside, made a nice dropoff pass to Hollins which Ryan blew, but was still a nice pass. In the early going, we won the interior battle because of him. But that was basically it for his entire evening as the spectre of his early career foul troubles ate him up, and hsi inspired play became distracted and empty for the few remianing minutes he stayed on the floor. Particularly gruesome was the sequence with 2min to go in the half where JT just handed the ball to the Pacers up top, then went back and committed a clear path foul trying to stop the resulting break, said foul being his 3rd of the game. A true F--- sequence. Started the second half trying to ineffectually attack inside, it was scruffy, then he got his 4th foul and was repalced by Derrick Williams. Ouch. Landry's strong/solid play off the bench rendered JT superflorous after that point, althoguh Landry's play perhaps also made the argument that such are our issues as a team that it would not have mattered if JT had kept playing well or not. Anyway, this is hard to grade because for most of his minutes he was very good. But a big minus has to come into play for therafter not finding ways to even be ont eh floor, let alone contribute anything more. --Brick


Stats: 26min 6pts (2-3, 0-0, 2-4) 8reb 1ast 0stl 2blk 1TO
Hollins ( C- ) -- Hollins had the dubious task of checking Drummond and Monroe in this one and not surprisingly he didn’t exceed expectations. Drummond out-ran and out-muscled him to start the game and was killing him with his superior athleticism. On the other end, Hollins was just irrelevant on the offensive end as Drummond just sat in the paint and ignored Hollins whenever he left the post…which gave Drummond the ability to play goalie and rim protector. Hollins first stint ended with no points and a single rebound and he didn’t see the floor again until the start of the 2nd half. Maybe he was just embarrassed with his performance in the 1st, so he came out a bit stronger in the 2nd half. He did a better job keeping up with Drummond in transition and keeping Drummond off the boards and wound up giving us 3 whole rebounds including an offensive rebound and dunk put-back. He then left after 6 minutes and had Malone stayed with his normal rotation that might have been the end of his night. But the best thing to happen to Ryan in this one was the 5th foul that JT picked up early in the 4th quarter which forced Malone to go back to him with 9 minutes left in the game…and he would play out the string. (His grade would probably have been a full grade lower had that been the end of his night) And it was in the 4th quarter that Hollins had his best play and the most impact. Though you shouldn’t read too much into the word ‘impact’ because he was still going up against Drummond and Monroe and he was never going to be in a position to dominate that match-up. In any case, he had more of an impact getting another dunk and a bit later going to the line and making a huge pair of FTs (unlike earlier in the game where he bricked his first two) to keep the game close. He added a block and was crashing the boards trying to keep all the shots that the Kings kept bricking in play. Sadly, there was only so much that he could do. He was outmatched by both Drummond and Monroe all night long, but there wasn’t much hope that he’d be able to keep up with them. So an invisible first half, bit better 3rd, and saved his best for last, not going to get a great grade, but you can’t punish him too much for being who we thought he was. --Uncia

Stats: 31min 14pts* (5-14, 4-8, 0-0) 6reb 1ast 2stl 0blk 0TO
McLemore ( D ) -- * as in asterisk, asterisk, asterisk on that statline above. Because the situation encountered by the Kings all night was not Ben McLemore 14pt scorer on an inefficeint night. It was Ben McLemore, 5pt scorer to go alongside Darren Collison 3pt scorer. In other words, Rudy was left out there all alone as his backcourt completely disappeared. It had actually started out fairly promisingly for Ben, with a corner three off a drive and kick, and, if you ignored the likely travel to begin it, a nice quick strong drive and pullup jumper. But that was literally it. Poof. Goodbye. He never hit another shot, started the third with 4 straight misses, and you don't have to look any further than our backcourt real shooting numbers (Ben was 2-11, Collison 1-10) to explain our offense death this game. Ben actually made a few good little plays despite the offensive disaster, had a real nice defensive play getting back to stop big ole Greg Monroe on the break, had a nice drive and dish of his own to a wide open Collison in the corner...but Ben's mistake was passing it to a fellow guard on this night. You wanted somebody to hit a shot, had to be a big. Anyway, there were some moments of all around game that were better than the offensive offense. So what is this nonsense I am spouting about Ben only hitting 2 shots and scoring 5 pts? After all the boxscore clearly says he had 14 on 5 shots, and a nice 4-8 from 3pt land. Well...the boxscore is lies. All lies. What happened was Ben made a lot of fantasy owners happy wiht one of the all time great statpadding efforts, suddenly after being dead offensively all night, including BTW maybe finishing us with an attempt to dribble at the 1:15 mark that resulted in a TO, in the last 30 secopnds all fo a sudden Ben decided hey, game is over anyway, let's chuck some threes! And he hit 1, 2, and the true statpadder 3rd one right at the buzzer. Which in other words means he scored 5pts for us. The little practice shots at the end of the game were worthless to us and played no factor in the outcome. --Brick

Stats: 32min 3pts (1-10, 1-6, 0-0) 3reb 7ast 1stl 2blk 2TO
Collison ( D- ) -- On a night when the Kings desperately needed some outside scoring to counter the Pistons' inside presence, Collison took the night off. Collison's sole field goal came early in the first quarter on a wide open three, and was followed by nine consecutive misses. He had a few good plays in transition, including a very nice pass to a streaking Derrick Williams for a dunk to bring the game back to even before the half. His 7 assists might lead you to believe he was doing a serviceable job leading the team, but most of those came early when the Kings were still making outside jumpers. After the half, he was just taking up space on the floor.--Hadlowe
 
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Bench

Stats: 24min 8pts (3-11, 0-2, 2-4) 6reb 1ast 2stl 0blk 0TO
Williams ( C ) -- Derrick Williams has gotten a lot of minutes in the recent Kings games. The “mysterious” Casspi injury is still somewhat unclear and Williams is largely playing minutes that Casspi used to play in the earlier games. So far Derrick has used his minutes to create nice stats. Tonight he replaced Rudy Gay in the end of the first quarter. Before the end of the quarter Derrick made a 3 point attempt at the clock, but missing it clearly and succeeded to get to the stats sheet by collecting a rebound just before the end of the quarter. Landry came in dominating in the 2nd quarter and Williams was mainly waiting for the ball in the corner. His first shot attempt came from the key, but he missed that too. DWill continued his low key play collecting one rebound but missing again on a layup. A bit later Gay replaced him, but during his stint the Kings hold their lead. Derrick was back 2 min before the halftime drawing a shooting foul converting one of them and slamming a dunk a minute later to finish a fast break by Collison. Clearly this is the true element of DWill. In the second half DWill continued at a low key not seemingly interested in the g ame. He did collect some rebounds, but scored only on the latter part of the 3rd quarter collecting one point for a pair from the line (50% from the line thus far). The next points came 2 min before the end of the quarter from a layup. In the last quarter Williams was able to score a short jumper from a hustle at the start followed by an assists to McCallum. However the rest was a struggle. Missing a short jumper, but collecting the rebound just to be denied by Drummond. At the start of the game DWill was playing SF, but with Landry and Gay on the court it became difficult to understand what his commission was. His overall game didn’t show a great enthusiasm for fighting to win it. Kind of low energy one. To his credit he did not participate in the turnovers, but he was slow in returning to the defense and wasn’t really tough on his opponent. Despite playing against a heavy shot blocking team the reason for his low scoring 3-11 was not that. The shots simply were not good. So his game was kind of a lackluster one and that was a pity. He had ample opportunities to make this one a statement game, but he passed on them. --Kingston

Stats: 24min 15pts (5-8, 0-0, 5-7) 11reb 0ast 0stl 1blk 1TO
Landry ( ) -- --Brick

Stats: 17min 7pts (3-8, 1-1, 0-0) 1reb 2ast 0stl 0blk 2TO
McCallum ( C ) -- McCallum got the surprise call off the bench. (December 15th is just around the corner; let the Sessions trade speculation fly.) He had a very average game leading the second unit (surprisingly, the stronger of the two units for the Kings tonight.) He forced an early turnover off D.J. Augustin and played some decent on-ball defense, not ever really letting Augustin get into a flow. He also had a nice little offensive series in the early fourth quarter to make it feel like the Kings might come back in this one, but none of the rest of the team would have any of that. Other than that, he still looks like an offensive work in progress. --Hadlowe

Stats: 15min 0pts (0-1, 0-0, 0-0) 4reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 3TO
Evans ( D- ) -- score his grade down too much for playing poor defense, but he was just awful in this one and so the grade comes down. He isn’t an offensive player so you don’t expect much, but he finished the game with 0 points and really hurt us with 3 turn-overs…so the grade comes down some more. But what you do expect from Reggie is rebounding and grit…and he only managed to grab 4 rebounds and what is really frustrating is that 3 of those 4 rebounds were ‘gimme’ rebounds in a 2 minute stretch of play. So in reality he grabbed 1 rebound in 13 minutes of play…when you factor in the turn-overs, lack of scoring and horrible defense…well…you get the idea as that grade just plummets downward. Now unfortunately for Reggie he was in all sorts of trouble as he ended up guarding Monroe, Drummond, and Smith in various parts of the game…and all three pretty much had their way with him. He doesn’t get the F because he was competing out there and showing some hustle, but in pretty much every aspect he was ineffective tonight…and that shouldn’t be a surprise when you look at Detroit’s fronline.. --Uncia

Stats: 16min 7pts(3-9, 1-5, 0-0) 1reb 1ast 0stl 1blk 0TO
Stauskas ( ) -- --Brick

Stats: 1min 2pts (1-1, 0-0, 0-0) 0reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Moreland ( INC ) -- got in in the final 15 seconds and got a quick lively move to go -- you see? If nothig else those Bighorns stints are preparing him to act quickly when givne these occasional 10 or 15 second stints with the big club. --Brick


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Josh Smith perhaps had the best game of his Detriot tenure and still managed to wrack up 7 turnovers.

Should probably also be pointed out that Ray nearly out Sessioned Sessions but was in turned out Ramon-ed by Darren Collison.
 
Here's the thing, its time for Pete to get to work. This team had glaring holes BEFORE Cuz got sick. Its just more noticeable now and we're throwing away easy wins because he's not there to bail us out. Things like:
-Awful shooting
-Awful turnovers
-No production from backup back court
-Bench is awful
-When Cousins isnt on the floor, interior Defense and rebounding is awful. Sadly, he cant play 48 mins per night
-Blowing big leads
-Playing down to opponents (at full strength we still.managed to do this. Remember the game in OKC?)
-Bad execution in crunch time.


All of this stuff happens regardless of Cousins being in the game. Unfortunately our record without him, especially considering the opponents, is just embarassing.

DeMarcus coming back isn't going to magically turn us into a playoff team. Lots of work to do
 
Real ugly game. We didn't look like we belonged on the same court as the pistons. Jeez the big home stand is..... not. we need to make a trade or start ahem tnkn
 
Real ugly game. We didn't look like we belonged on the same court as the pistons. Jeez the big home stand is..... not. we need to make a trade or start ahem tnkn

Or we could wait a week or two and see what happens when Boogie is at least able to practice again
 
Or we could wait a week or two and see what happens when Boogie is at least able to practice again

Tanking is simply no longer an option for this franchise and won;t be for many years, EXCEPT by shutting down Cousins. but that would obviously be ridiculous in a season that would/should have been his breakout.

On the other hand these putzes are rapidly killing any remote chance at a playoff run that Boogie had given us, so pretty soon you should be able to look at trades with considerable freedom. Won't have to worry about messing up a playoff bound group.

Numbers now say we'd have to go 37-21 from here on out to reach 48 wins. That 9-5 record we started the season with comes out to 36-20 if you multiply it by 4, so pretty much we would have to immediately and permanently start going 9-5 every set the rest of the season, and even then 48 ins probably doesn't get it done. If Boogie's out long enough to give these imposters time to drop another 4 or 5 home games, you really can't even squint anymore unless Cuz's illness was caused by him being bitten by a radioactice spider.
 
Tanking is simply no longer an option for this franchise and won;t be for many years, EXCEPT by shutting down Cousins. but that would obviously be ridiculous in a season that would/should have been his breakout.,

On the other hand these putzes are rapidly killing any remote chance at a playoff run that Boogie had given us, so pretty soon you should be able to look at trades with considerable freedom. Won't have to worry about messing up a playoff bound group.

Numbers now say we'd have to go 37-21 from here on out to reach 48 wins. That 9-5 record we started the season with comes out to 36-20 if you multiply it by 4, so pretty much we would have to immediately and permanently start going 9-5 every set the rest of the season, and even then 48 ins probably doesn't get it done. If Boogie's out long enough to give these imposters time to drop another 4 or 5 home games, you really can't even squint anymore unless Cuz's illness was caused by him being bitten by a radioactice spider.

I hate to utter the T word myself. I was proudly wearing my Kings jacket despite what everyone usually says. We have some talent but it does not jel without Cousins. Everyone thought out PF situation was the big problem. While PF is mediocre, we have no one who comes close to filling in at center. We might be the worst team in the league without a decent center. No draft pick to get better either.
 
boogies return is around the corner. We are not tanking. He'll be practicing by next week and will more or less force his way into the team hell or high water the following week (merry christmas kings fans)

There is too much at stake here in terms of learning and culture change to wipe out this season and gamble on attempting to get a high pick.
 
Tanking in my opinion should be completely out of the question. It demoralizes the team to a point that it doesn't matter anymore who you draft, you're going to lose anyway. I also do not think that the team is impotent without DMC. That's not correct. I would like to have another 7 footer as a backup center. That would help a lot. We know that the present personnel problem comes from having 4 PFs (DWill is not a SF). They are also very expensive. One (or two)can be traded. For instance Portland has 4 centers and they could be interested in swapping one. There are other teams in the same situation. I'm sure PDA knows all this much better than I do.
 
Tanking is plain stupid at this point: dropping to lottery zone with Boogie back is extremely hard to achieve, then you have a problem of draft being a crapshoot, rookies often being worthless and almost never dependable players right from the start, especially bigs. Finally you are unlikely to pick up an elite player at #9 or #10, while having around $10 million guarantees one of solid starters in FA, if the pool of these players believe that they are coming to play in postseason and not for another lottery pick, which the narrative would be, if Kings...are once again in the lottery. Charge ahead and on the way to nowhere this season a few questions must be answered:
1. Can Sessions or McCallum be a dependable backup PG? If answer is not very close to "yes", shopping for PG with room-MLE is probably the only way to go.
2. Will Stauskas become a dependable backup SG for next season? If answer is not very close to "yes", Kings need emergency vet to produce something, when Nik isn't working.
3. Who's that PF/C, that Kings can spend their $10 million in cap space on?
P.S. With that said about draft regarding next season Kings need to get their hands on RHJ.
 
We would have to go 0 for the rest of the season to legitimately have a shot at another impact player throught the draft. No one wants to see that.

If we want to improve our roster this year, PDA is going to need to buy low on someone, but it won't likely be until the deadline, unless DWill's ender becomes of use somewhere.
 
Let's not even entertain the tanking talk.

It's not even a question of choice anymore.

I believe in tanking. Getting terrible is precisely how we ended up with Boogie once upon a time. But it is no longer even possible barring a season ending catastrope to the big guy. Anyone advocating 'tanking" at any point in the next 10 years while we have a healthy Boogie is just wasting keystrokes. Its impossible, and will not happen. Ever. Those of us still kicking a dozen years or so from now can start having those conversations seriously again. Until them, its no longer an arrow in the quiver of remote possibility.
 
Durant coming back early from injury and Cousins getting a magical sickness that the the entire sports world has never seen before was almost the absolute worst case scenario. Guess what? It's happening.
 
Watched the first half and it wasn't a bad game at all. Too bad about the second half.

Tank a little bit in the first quarter then give them hell the rest of the way. Put another win in the books. This recent stuff I discouraging for the team, coaches and players. What we need to do is send a get well soon card and hang in there. The rest till Tuesday will do us all good, team, too. I'm going to Reno for two nights. Wish me and the Kings luck. Luck isn't too important to me but it is to hem.
 
Can we talk about how awful Rudy Gay looks as a #1 option lately? Yeeeesh :confused:
I don't see the point. Rudy isn't a #1 option. We know that. That really isn't why we're sliding though. We'd have won a few of these recent games if our 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th options contributed much at all.

I'm curious as to why DC isn't getting talked about more. He isn't playing well. Hasn't played well for awhile. This guy is supposed to be our 3rd wheel and hasn't stepped up since Cuz went down. Neither Ray or Ramon are giving us much. Nik is giving nothing. DWill is giving us close to nothing. Our bigs, outside some defense from JT and some boards from Reggie aren't giving us anything.

A big part of Rudy struggling is that defenses are loading up on him and he has no release valve, no one to keep the defense honest. He's trying to move the ball off the attention he's getting, his assists show that, but by and large no one else is stepping up(other than Ben/DC for a stretch here or there) and we're not giving teams any reason not to load up against Rudy.
 
I don't see the point. Rudy isn't a #1 option. We know that. That really isn't why we're sliding though. We'd have won a few of these recent games if our 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th options contributed much at all.

I'm curious as to why DC isn't getting talked about more. He isn't playing well. Hasn't played well for awhile. This guy is supposed to be our 3rd wheel and hasn't stepped up since Cuz went down. Neither Ray or Ramon are giving us much. Nik is giving nothing. DWill is giving us close to nothing. Our bigs, outside some defense from JT and some boards from Reggie aren't giving us anything.

A big part of Rudy struggling is that defenses are loading up on him and he has no release valve, no one to keep the defense honest. He's trying to move the ball off the attention he's getting, his assists show that, but by and large no one else is stepping up(other than Ben/DC for a stretch here or there) and we're not giving teams any reason not to load up against Rudy.

DC isn't playing well because we're leaning on him too much. This team isn't constructed to play well when one of Cousins, Gay, Or Collison isn't playing. Collison was brought in to defend the opposing pg and pick up whatever offensive slack is left behind by Cousins and Gay. Collison looks bad right now for the same reason that he looked bad with Dallas; he isn't a #2 option.
 
I don't see the point. Rudy isn't a #1 option. We know that. That really isn't why we're sliding though. We'd have won a few of these recent games if our 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th options contributed much at all.
oh i know, i wasn't trying to pin this collapse on Rudy. As you can see i made a post earlier in this thread about all of the issues with this team. Rudy isn't one of them.

But man he has been a disaster lately, despite his solid box scores
 
Can we talk about how awful Rudy Gay looks as a #1 option lately? Yeeeesh :confused:
YES.
Regardless of what y'all just said, it isn't as simple as "he's not a #1".

Guess what Rudy's failing at lately?
Making clutch plays. Turning the ball over with BAD turnovers. Not defending well. Dumb plays, that he has no business making at this stage in his career, #1 option or no.

Even if/when Boogie gets back, the Kings are still going to be relying on Rudy Gay to sink a frigging basket in clutch time, or drive and make the smart pass, and Rudy is proving that he is utterly incapable of making a clutch play lately.

This IS a problem, and I would hope the discussion would entail something along the lines of - "Is this Rudy really deserving of $13 million a year for each of the next 3 years?" and "Is it worth $13 million a year to sink into someone who can't reliably create his own shot and is wholely dependent on Boogie to take the defense's focus to be able to play well"?
 
Never know what type of game your going to get out of Darren...some nights he can shoot the perimeter shot some nights he can't shoot it into the stratosphere. Rudy is playing like Toronto Rudy and I hate it.
 
Never know what type of game your going to get out of Darren...some nights he can shoot the perimeter shot some nights he can't shoot it into the stratosphere. Rudy is playing like Toronto Rudy and I hate it.

Yeah Rudy has been forcing way too much. Collison is consistently unreliable from the 3 point line. He's only good at his midrange pull up which is far more consistent. I think what hurts us is that we don't have a big who is a reliable inside or outside threat. Landry is sorta in between these days, and you can't count on Williams or Casspi or Evans to give you consistent outside or post scoring. This makes it very difficult to score when you also take into consideration our terrible 3 pt shooting. You can't game plan to get guys the ball in their spots when they don't have any favourite spots to begin with.
 
YES.
Regardless of what y'all just said, it isn't as simple as "he's not a #1".

Guess what Rudy's failing at lately?
Making clutch plays. Turning the ball over with BAD turnovers. Not defending well. Dumb plays, that he has no business making at this stage in his career, #1 option or no.

Even if/when Boogie gets back, the Kings are still going to be relying on Rudy Gay to sink a frigging basket in clutch time, or drive and make the smart pass, and Rudy is proving that he is utterly incapable of making a clutch play lately.

This IS a problem, and I would hope the discussion would entail something along the lines of - "Is this Rudy really deserving of $13 million a year for each of the next 3 years?" and "Is it worth $13 million a year to sink into someone who can't reliably create his own shot and is wholely dependent on Boogie to take the defense's focus to be able to play well"?
But it is that simple.

He's our second best player getting paid as such. What's the problem? He can't drag a bunch of junk players to victory? Guess what? Before rudy came Boogie couldn't do that either. You know what our record is minus Rudy? 2-8. Should we look at the 7 seasons before he got here too? We weren't even a factor in the nba before rudy got here.

The guy is getting near triple doubles every night lately. He is not the problem. Pick on the 2-12 players who can't carry Rudy's jock.
 
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