Grades v. Pistons 11/08

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Grades: Kings vs. Pistons 11/08

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Another great game from Martin. He's been the Kings best player this season by far--incredible combination of efficiency and total production. Also played good defense tonight--rick hamilton's 20 mostly isn't his fault. If he keeps this sort of play up, he deserves to be an all-star.

Great post-D tonight for SAR, and great rebounding from KT. Kudos to both. Great spark off the bench from Corliss. Great hustle from the team as a whole.
 
Artest ( C+ ) -- started off the game rebounding a lot of the many many caroms in the early going here -- think he had 6 half way through the first quarter. But was pretty much moribund offensively, and while he certainly helped our defensive effort, he was hardly necessary as the Pistons frontline would have just been godawful if you had locked them in a gym by themselves. Picked up a board here and there, a point or two here and there, a defensive stop here and there, for the remainder fo the game, but was clearly an afterthought in this one, and no better than our 5th best player tonight.
Thomas ( A- ) -- had a big statistical first half, nearly notching a double double before intermission, and being rewarded with big first half minutes because of it. Defensively was solid -- he wasn't exactly making Sheed miss, but he was holding him away from the hoop and making him make shots rather than dunks. And on this night, Sheed wasn't about to make anything. Slowed down a bit after half, but still collected a number of hustle boards to pad his total out to nifty 15 for the game. Minutes are a bit of a consideration for the "-" here too, as Muss continues to flat play guys right into the ground, and Kenny notched 45+ min tonight for his 8pts 15reb as opposed to a more noraml 35min or so where the excellent numbers would have been even more impressive.
Reef ( D ) -- had a poor first half actively contributing to the parade of incomeptence, missing shots from all over, settling for long jumpers, not grabbing boards despite them flying all over the court. Woke up a bit in the third, and finished several baskets off of internal feeds. But it was telling that we immediately got better this time when we went to the bench and replaced Reef with Corliss. And Shareef never returned therafter with Corliss having a banner game and Kenny nearly going wire to wire.
Martin ( A ) -- Pondered the minus here for a bad first half, but this was really, along with Corliss, the guy who won the game for us. He established the separation, and it wasn't until his big run that we exhibited an offense any better than you might see in a middle school game. As mentioned, got off to an awkward off balance start against the man that everybody keeps saying he's supposed to be modeling himself after (still not sure why other than just being skinny). Did get up for a nice block of Rip inside, and toward the end of the half finally got free once or twice. But for the most part didn't come alive until after half when the Pistons mysteriously changed the way they were guarding him -- Rip had been doing a great job more or less face guarding him, and perhaps understanding his back cuts and off the ball movement from first hand experience. But abruptly that looseened, there were some switches, and that was a mistake. Kevin hit a shot, then two, and then he was off and running with confidence and dominated the latter half of the quarter to push us out to a lead going into the 4th. Hit 9 shots in a row there at one point, and by the end had a career high 30 despite only having 7 at the break. On the other end of the floor Kevin certainly didn't shut Rip down, indeed let him go for about his 20ppg average. But it was a quiet mostly irrelevant 20pts after the first quarter. So career high + player who separated the teams = straight A I think.
Bibby ( A- ) -- only King who looked remotely comfortable on offense in the first half, made some smooth shots, and had a handful of nice passes. Nothing spectacular, and was spotted a few points on Pistons technicals, but easily our best offensive player. In the early 3rd hit an amazing three from the deep corner to beat a buzzer -- just a heave really. May have reinjured the thumb later in the third quarter and was in and out there for a while.. But came back to still manage to score points and grab hustle rebounds down the stretch. Playing with fire with that thumb, but this is a loss without him. On the other end Chauncey lit us up as really the Pistons only weapon tongiht to drop this grade a bit, but considering his injury keeping it in the A range seemed warranted.
Salmons ( C ) -- came back to Earth in true Salmons fashion, being completely invisible offensively in this one. Actually did play what you would call a solid floor game, playing defense, moving the ball. But that was about it, and kind of just lurked around on the court while others determined the outcome.
Williamson ( A- ) -- was inserted at the end of the first quarter, initially at his natural SF position. But soon enough to start the second quarter he was back to the PF spot in a super mini frontline of KT/Corliss. Played hard, but the best news of the first half may have been that Mo Taylor's incompetence has been noted. But this grade really took off after Corliss was reinserted with Reef in foul trouble at the end of the third. Big Nasty came in with energy and scored like it was 5 years ago -- combining with Kevin to push us out to a 5 pt lead to start the 4th. Corliss as backup PF/C...that's just ugly. But it worked well tonight, and I suspect we now get to see it for the next game or two at least as well.
Price ( B ) -- came in to start the second quarter and gave us a nice burst of energy on both ends, knocked down a three, pressed the pace. Did start to get taken advanatage of by Billups, and not much after half. Still, at least for a few minutes helped with hustle and athleticism.
Cisco ( INC ) -- I almost forgot about his "appearances". Basically being used now as a defensive spot player on obvious offense/defense type plays.

Muss ( A- ) -- wow, this one got off to an ugly start, but ended well for us. The Pistons were just awful from the field, and initially it wasn't really us. They just stunk up the joint. Of all the Pistons starters, the only one who even scored in the first quarter was Rip. And we weren't much better, missing jumpers, layups, you name it. But as the ugliness wore on, it began to be more about what we were doing, and less about the Pistons being a shell of the team they once were. And in the second half, after the ugliness looked ready to continue right through to the final buzzer, it was really Kevin busting loose which changed the flavor of the game as we FINALLY managed to combine some of that "offense" stuff the former regime was so good at with good defense (+ apparently a well placed bribe sitting in Sheed's locker -- he looked terrible out there). Early in the game Muss called a good timeout in the mid-2nd quarter to break up a Pistons run -- one fo the few tiems this young season he has doen that. Normally he seems to be trying to save every one that he can like he's getting a cash rebate for unused TOs at the conclusin of each game or something. The rotation remains a short 7, and once again we had 2 guys up around the 45 min mark. But at least in this case one of them was Kenny, who has not racked up that many minutes thus far, and is unlikely to over the course of the year. And perhaps learning, albeit slowly, after a brief hesitation after the Pistons waived the white flag in the final minutes, Muss kinda/sorta responded. At least to get his one-handed PG out of the game. Still not sure he gets the concept, but a little better. Maybe if we work on him we can get Cisco and Mo and Hart and Douby or whoever has taken Brad's place ont he active roster a full minute of work someday. Maybe. ;)
 
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I love SAR but I simply cannot say he did anything great today. Unless he starts playing with some semblance of passion or shows some desire to play, I see Corliss taking most of his minutes. And being a Reef fan, there is nothing I can offer in his defense. Quite honestly SAR looks washed-up.
 
I love SAR but I simply cannot say he did anything great today. Unless he starts playing with some semblance of passion or shows some desire to play, I see Corliss taking most of his minutes. And being a Reef fan, there is nothing I can offer in his defense. Quite honestly SAR looks washed-up.

SAR has no excuse to not put up big numbers especially since Brad went down. He got his touches they just didn't translate into points. I'm a fan myself but it really pisses me off how he takes so long to post up and he always hangs around the perimeter if he's not set up in the post. He can be effective getting baskets off rebounds but he loves to hang out on the perimeter if the offense isn't being run thru him in the post.
 
Scary/Hilarious to see the all 6'7" lineup: at one point Muss had Salmons/Martin/Garcia/KT/Corliss on the floor together (and then subbed in Artest to keep the 6'7" lineup going!). Scary because it was so small, hilarious because it worked. Never knew you could have five guys on the floor who are all the same height.

One of the reasons the offense was so ugly was the abysmal officiating -- luckily it was equally terrible for both teams, but it seems like it was hard for teams to establish rhythm

People shouldn't get too down on SAR. Newsflash: he is not a center! He struggles to get boards against taller players and his post game isn't as effective when he's guarded by centers. But his defense has been very good and one of the reasons the Pistons couldn't get anything going inside. Definitely had two rough nights, but give him credit for holding down the center spot about as well as can be expected.

Artest... after a game where he seemed to really get it offensively he reverted to taking bad shots. But luckily he seemed to recognize that he wasn't getting it done and stopped shooting. But the Kings could really use some offense from him.

Very solid game by Salmons that doesn't show up in the box score. Did a good job on defense and moving the ball, contributed to Kevin and Corliss' big 3rd even if he didn't do the scoring himself.

Great, great effort by KT. Keep it up.

Kevin Martin..... I mean, wow.

PS: Forgot Musselman -- challenging Artest to lead small forwards in rebounding was a stroke of genius. It's an achievable goal, and yet Ron might not have thought about it all by himself. And all of a sudden the Kings are a good rebounding team! The in-game adjustments and timeout calls were much better this game. I also really like how Musselman is taking advantage of the fact that today's NBA players don't know how to make an entry pass -- fronting in the post is paying big dividends.

Now if that offense can just get going...
 
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Gotta say that Kenny has come up big for us on the defensive end. Took 2 of the best scoring PF's in the league these last 2 and made it tough for them.

Reef just needs to find his way with the team.

Ron was Ron and Kevin was off the charts!

I wish Garcia could get some consistent minutes.

Ronnie Price getting some time in the limelight as well.

Watched the game on ESPN and I must say I didn't like all the potshots they took at the Kings about how we aren't a good team, gone are the days of blah blah blah! OK sure, but so are the days of ZERO DEFENSE FELLAS!!!
 
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Lesson learned. Me no jump the gun next time for glorious grades!
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As is almost ALWAYS the case, the Kings suffered from being the second game of a double-header on ESPN, and after thankfully only one overtime, and almost the entire first quarter missed, I saw my first game this year.

I'm encouraged by a few things. Martin looks very comfortable and could be a big time scorer. He's bulked up a bit, and looks stronger. Reef looks like a scorer too. Tonight was NOT his night, but it's clear that he has moves and the Kings will depend on him. Price has HUSTLE and tenacious D. But he's short, and will get posted up by many guards. The Kings' team defense didn't really stand out, but they kept the Pistons in check, and this is largely the same players of the World Championship team from a few years ago (minus Big Ben and Larry Brown, of course).

I'm discouraged by other things. The Kings need to get comfortable on offense and trust each other. Artest MUST stop handling the ball as much. Boy, as good as his defense is, his offense is shaky. Not bad, just extremely variable. He needs to pick his plan of attack, depending on who's playing him. But that attack should include low post and going strong to the rim, not bringing the ball up court.

Beating the Pistons is a good showing, and tonight was a good night.
 
I think Jim Gray needs some sort of special grade for his interview with the Maloofs. He asked the same question about three times, the Maloofs gave the same answer every time, then at the end he asked again for them to reiterate their answer and then afterwards repeated the answer to confirm it, all the time sounding like he thought he was really doing something.
 
Salmons ( C ) -- came back to Earth in true Salmons fashion, being completely invisible offensively in this one. Actually did play what you would call a solid floor game, playing defense, moving the ball. But that was about it, and kind of just lurked around on the court while others determined the outcome.

Yeah. The problem is that he missed a few shots and then fell victim to all of our other offensive players taking over. He then didn't have the confidence to take some wide open shots. I'm glad we don't have to depend on his offense, but we are going to need some bench production from him. If that production is primarily assists and defense then so be it.
 
Corliss and kev both had really good step up games... Kev was shooting horribly in the 1st half though, not sure how he pulled off 30pts.
 
I think Jim Gray needs some sort of special grade for his interview with the Maloofs. He asked the same question about three times, the Maloofs gave the same answer every time, then at the end he asked again for them to reiterate their answer and then afterwards repeated the answer to confirm it, all the time sounding like he thought he was really doing something.
:D That's not even an exaggeration.

And I think Jon Barry might have lost a few fans in Sacramento when he mentioned that Kevin Martin might actually be pretty good as if he had thought all of the talk had just been hype. ;) Umm, Jon... most of us Kings fans knew after last year he could play like this. Don't sound so surprised.
 
:D That's not even an exaggeration.

And I think Jon Barry might have lost a few fans in Sacramento when he mentioned that Kevin Martin might actually be pretty good as if he had thought all of the talk had just been hype. ;) Umm, Jon... most of us Kings fans knew after last year he could play like this. Don't sound so surprised.
I don't know which one, but one of the commentators said something like "maybe his 20+ points a game average is not a fluke after all." My thought was, "what cave do you live in?"
 
And I agree with your grade of Kmart not being higher then an A and possibly a -... He again at the start was passing up wide open shots. Muss even got in a tizzy when the ball was passed about 3-4 times around the key and he passed it back up. BTW he was WIDE OPEN.

I have seen this in every game now so it may just be trying to share, play in the O not sure. He helped win this game but I truely would like to see him taking the "extra" Ron shots. Other then that he was awesome.

Agree with the other grades. Liking the D and rebounding at this point in the season.
 
I don't know which one, but one of the commentators said something like "maybe his 20+ points a game average is not a fluke after all." My thought was, "what cave do you live in?"
Yup, that was what Barry said. My first thought was, "oohh, some sacramento fans are gonna be mad at you!!" :D
 
And I agree with your grade of Kmart not being higher then an A and possibly a -... He again at the start was passing up wide open shots. Muss even got in a tizzy when the ball was passed about 3-4 times around the key and he passed it back up. BTW he was WIDE OPEN.

I have seen this in every game now so it may just be trying to share, play in the O not sure. He helped win this game but I truely would like to see him taking the "extra" Ron shots. Other then that he was awesome.

Agree with the other grades. Liking the D and rebounding at this point in the season.

Yep. He's not afraid to shoot. We all know that. It's that he doesn't want to appear selfish. My thought? Hey, be as selfish as you like when you're shooting like that!

:D
 
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