[Grades] Grades v. Pelicans 3/27/2015

[KingsFanSince85]

Apologies for sounding very condescending but it's just darn clear to me that you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to Evans' impact on the Pelicans this season.

You can go ahead and sound as condescending as you'd like - it doesn't make you right, nor does it bother me in the least. You've already lost credibility by making poor assumptions then resorting to the "you haven't been watching" card simply because I don't agree with you. I've seen Tyreke Evans play a ton over the years and know his game all too well. It hasn't changed much at all. Still can't shoot it consistently, still doesn't have much of a basketball IQ, still has some "Wow" performances here and there that make you think he might become a star one day. It's 6 years in now and he's arguably never been better than his rookie season.

As for New Orleans winning more games than the Kings have since 2006, great for them. This current Kings team, despite all the issues, might do the same. What does it mean? New Orleans record has more to do with Anthony Davis and the fact that they have more talent (and front office stability) from top to bottom than the Kings do. You seem to want to give the credit to Tyreke despite the fact that he hasn't proved to be any better than when he last laced them up for the Kings. His assist numbers are slightly up - as are his turnovers- but the rest of his game remains about the same. Still can't shoot it consistently, still makes poor decisions with the ball. So what if he's a 16-5-5 guy by season's end. He's been doing that his entire career all while not making his teams any better. You and Brick love him and I don't think he's worth near the $$ he signed for. C'est La Vie.

 

[jalfa]

did anybody else think that the Pellies were shooting unreasonably well? Pondexter, Cole, Tyreke, they were all basically hitting whatever nonsense shots they took. even Tony freaking Douglas hit a three on us, which ranks somewhere in the top5 of things I hadn't expected to ever see again. I mean, some stuff that happened in this game was troubling, but the defence, at least, was fine. if the Pellies take these kinds of shots any other night and they shoot 5-20, not 9-20, and we have a whole different ballgame.

 

[mac]

You can go ahead and sound as condescending as you'd like - it doesn't make you right, nor does it bother me in the least. You've already lost credibility by making poor assumptions then resorting to the "you haven't been watching" card simply because I don't agree with you. I've seen Tyreke Evans play a ton over the years and know his game all too well. It hasn't changed much at all. Still can't shoot it consistently, still doesn't have much of a basketball IQ, still has some "Wow" performances here and there that make you think he might become a star one day. It's 6 years in now and he's arguably never been better than his rookie season.

As for New Orleans winning more games than the Kings have since 2006, great for them. This current Kings team, despite all the issues, might do the same. What does it mean? New Orleans record has more to do with Anthony Davis and the fact that they have more talent (and front office stability) from top to bottom than the Kings do. You seem to want to give the credit to Tyreke despite the fact that he hasn't proved to be any better than when he last laced them up for the Kings. His assist numbers are slightly up - as are his turnovers- but the rest of his game remains about the same. Still can't shoot it consistently, still makes poor decisions with the ball. So what if he's a 16-5-5 guy by season's end. He's been doing that his entire career all while not making his teams any better. You and Brick love him and I don't think he's worth near the $$ he signed for. C'est La Vie.

The one big giveaway is the assumption that he has no bball IQ/game hasn't changed. Anyone who has been watching the Pelicans this season would tell you otherwise.

Stability? Do you know how much NO's roster has been changing this year? Cunningham, Cole, Douglas, Pondexter are all new additions. They had Elliot Williams playing the last few weeks before resigning Douglas. They had that other PG for awhile who's name I don't even remember. They've had all the injuries to 4 of their main guys. But apparently Evans deserves no credit for them being in the playoff hunt because you're basing your opinion of him based on the past.

 

[Spike]

Enough of the Reke nostalgia! He was a bad fit with Cousins. Was he a good player? Sure. But the Reke and Boogie show was painful to watch and they got in each other's way more often than not.

I'm glad he's doing well in Nola, but I just don't see him playing this good with the Kings. He is a much better fit in the Big Easy.
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Pretty sure there was a Napoleonic point guard throwing a wrench in the works that should probably be accounted for.

Considering the type of offense Karl is looking to run, if he's a bad fit for Cousins, then Karl's offense will be a bad fit for Cousins.

 

[9x1x6]

so being in the playoff hunt means you get past by a team that started 4-12 and has suffered many more injuries then them?

Go ahead and cream your selfs over

You can go ahead and sound as condescending as you'd like - it doesn't make you right, nor does it bother me in the least. You've already lost credibility by making poor assumptions then resorting to the "you haven't been watching" card simply because I don't agree with you. I've seen Tyreke Evans play a ton over the years and know his game all too well. It hasn't changed much at all. Still can't shoot it consistently, still doesn't have much of a basketball IQ, still has some "Wow" performances here and there that make you think he might become a star one day. It's 6 years in now and he's arguably never been better than his rookie season.

As for New Orleans winning more games than the Kings have since 2006, great for them. This current Kings team, despite all the issues, might do the same. What does it mean? New Orleans record has more to do with Anthony Davis and the fact that they have more talent (and front office stability) from top to bottom than the Kings do. You seem to want to give the credit to Tyreke despite the fact that he hasn't proved to be any better than when he last laced them up for the Kings. His assist numbers are slightly up - as are his turnovers- but the rest of his game remains about the same. Still can't shoot it consistently, still makes poor decisions with the ball. So what if he's a 16-5-5 guy by season's end. He's been doing that his entire career all while not making his teams any better. You and Brick love him and I don't think he's worth near the $$ he signed for. C'est La Vie.

Bubu he has chemistry with AD.

He'd also leave us no flexability this offseason so we'd be stuck with a crapty bench.

 

[206Fan]

It's so hard to evaluate bigs at a time where the bigs are underutilized. My question would be, if Cuz played at the era where bigs and centers dominated, where would his success be at? You look at individual success, and one can argue he's just like K-Love. Put big numbers on a terrible team. We all know that his teammates have been terrible for the last 5 years..Cuz DOES make his teammates better. However, people will not ignore the fact that he wasn't in the playoffs for his first 5 years...especially the big NBA guys.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Check your numbers because they are wrong. He's shooting 43.6% with tonight's game not factored in. His numbers didn't rise 1.5% after this one game.

The numbers aren't wrong, because he didn't say that those are his numbers on the season, in total. He said that those are the numbers on the season as the starting point guard. And they are; you can check.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

so being in the playoff hunt means you get past[sic] by a team that started 4-12 and has suffered many more injuries then[sic] them?

Durant, Westbrook, Adams and Ibaka have combined to miss 76 games. Davis, Holiday, Gordon and Anderson have combined to miss 87 games. "Many" more injuries?

 

[kingsnation]

Sauce is a rookie only now getting decent time to develop. Ben is still learning the NBA game but has the best athleticism on the team and will come around only slower than with Sauce who will be in the league a long time. Same for RayMac, still learning the game and learning when to take more shots. Add DWill to that young "kiddy" group and Kings have nice nucleus for next year. Need this summer and fall is for shooters, scorers who can run and play bit of D, so they can run, shoot and score.

This "nucleus" of learning kids is all fine and dandy except our once-in-a-lifetime beast is putting up once-in-a-lifetime numbers in losing season after losing season. The Maloofs already wasted Cuzs first couple years, I hope this FO is wise enough not to do the same, although one could argue they did this year. They'd be wise to make some moves NOW and not just wait on kids developing to get Cuz some help.

 

[Kingster]

There's always something one can be happy about: One more lin in the books. I sure hope it gets us a great point guard in the draft, or at least a player at some position who can be great. Would Collison have made enough difference to win this game against a depleted NO team? Doubtful. This team needs a major talent infusion in order to be something more than a chimera of wishful thinking.

 

[kingsnation]

Enough of the Reke nostalgia! He was a bad fit with Cousins. Was he a good player? Sure. But the Reke and Boogie show was painful to watch and they got in each other's way more often than not.
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You gotta look at who was coaching our teams then and re-think your position. Malone and Karl would work wonders with a Cuz-Reke duo.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

You gotta look at who was coaching our teams then and re-think your position. Malone and Karl would work wonders with a Cuz-Reke duo.

no kidding.. they put the ball in the hands of a midget ball hog who was only looking out for himself.

 

[swisshh]

I missed like 95% of this game. I did just watch the Cousins highlights and I have a question: Did Anthony Davis not guard Cousins at all? It was weird how far away Davis was from Cousins in these highlights.


As a Reke criticizer, I do feel that Evans has improved his game but that his need to be ball dominant while not raising the team's level of play that much is still a questionable situation to put your team in. The Pellies roster is more suited for fastbreak basketball than the Kings and I think this showed here. You could say the Suns are more suited for that pace and the Kings have had their way with them, but the Suns have no size outside of Len and the departed Plumlee. This not only makes it easier for Cousins, but easier for the Kings guards to drive. Cousins destroyed the Pellies bigs, but the Kings guards got nothing going outside or to the rim.

 

[PoundForPound]

Ray McCallum 2 points in 34 minutes?

Get this scrub off the team already, I don't want to see him back next season, he's trash, and I've had hope for him throughout the year but he's just not very good.

 

[King Baller]

Sucks for the Pellies to be so far East and be in the Western Conference. Silver just has to create a Sweet 16 in the National Basketball Association.

 

[King Baller]

As for the game give the Cans credit, they shot the ball well, 51% overall and 45% from the three point line. The Kings need some defensive studs besides cousins. Gay did do a good job on the Brow. I admit to being a bit surprised when Karl started Gay on Brow. But Rudy got it done, he also scored 18 while exerting himself on Brow. Brow scored 24 but took 26 shots doing it. Evans, Poindexter and Cole killed it bombing a combined 8 for 15 from the three point line! The Kings needed a third player to step up the scoring and it did not happen. Casspi, McCallum, McLemore, Staukas, Miller and Williams went a combined 12 for 33 and that will not get it done most nights in the NBA.

KB

 

[IfAt1st]

The Kings are the LAST team you want to be basing in-play conclusions about Tyreke from.

It's like the Kings never noticed what all those other teams did to make Tyreke ineffective : simply pack the paint and overplay his drives.
But the Kings have arguably the worst personnel and defensive schemes to stop guard penetration in the entire NBA.
If he made some shots tonight, you live with it - he still hasn't proven he can hurt teams that don't let him drive.
And he just didn't fit with Demarcus. It's very likely Demarcus will make the playoffs before Tyreke will, despite the Pelicans better overall team the past 2 seasons.

 

[Gilles]

Ray McCallum 2 points in 34 minutes?

Get this scrub off the team already, I don't want to see him back next season, he's trash, and I've had hope for him throughout the year but he's just not very good.

McCallum going 1-4 is not, what lost this game. Perusing through Pel's last games the last guys with driving game, Ray Mac can even hope to match on his best game: Deron went 10 points on 12 possessions 4ast/0 TO, Eric Bledsoe went 5 points on 16 possessions with 2ast/3TOs, MCW - 6 points on 13 possessions with 4ast/0 TOs (I'm somewhat optimistic about RayMac, but I think, he shouldn't be compared to Curry, Paul and Harden) - now, that Ajinca stepped up, and everyone, except Anderson, their by far weakest link, is healthy, that defense can bury you. Kings defense on the other hand had obvious lapses - not the same energy as at home, some unfortunate moments like Casspi falling down rather hard under Pelicans basket, and Q-Pon sprinting right into the corner for a transition 3, couple of others, that I noticed at the time, but fail to recall at the moment. Plus bench produced some really bad stretches. Finally, with Rudy moving into PF spot Kings are no longer a dominant rebounding team: Kings got 10 off. rebounds out of 45 available for just 22.2%, while Pels got 12 out of 39 (30.7%). Over 5 games with Rudy/Casspi as forwards (still rather small sample size) Kings collected 53 out of 214 available offensive rebounds (.247), and their opponents - 56 out of 215 (.260), while season averages are .267 and .227 respectively.

 

[Bricklayer]

The Kings are the LAST team you want to be basing in-play conclusions about Tyreke from.

It's like the Kings never noticed what all those other teams did to make Tyreke ineffective : simply pack the paint and overplay his drives.
But the Kings have arguably the worst personnel and defensive schemes to stop guard penetration in the entire NBA.
If he made some shots tonight, you live with it - he still hasn't proven he can hurt teams that don't let him drive.
And he just didn't fit with Demarcus. It's very likely Demarcus will make the playoffs before Tyreke will, despite the Pelicans better overall team the past 2 seasons.

And its still never been proven you can consistently stop that drive.

Seriously, if people haven't watched the Pels this year they really need to quit talking. Reke's +/- stats this year are absolutely off the charts. Top 20 in the entire league off the charts. He is one of the very most important players in the entire league to his team offensively, and a big part of it is precisely because of all the attention those drives draw. Its a special talent, one of the single most devastating weapons in the league. And A.D. absolutely thrives when the attention gets drawn off.

 

[Gilles]

And its still never been proven you can consistently stop that drive.

Seriously, if people haven't watched the Pels this year they really need to quit talking. Reke's +/- stats this year are absolutely off the charts. Top 20 in the entire league off the charts. He is one of the very most important players in the entire league to his team offensively, and a big part of it is precisely because of all the attention those drives draw. Its a special talent, one of the single most devastating weapons in the league. And A.D. absolutely thrives when the attention gets drawn off.

And a special note for PDA: put into PG spot, Reke is now loved by advanced stats, getting into top-50 of most advanced one-for-all, 3-4 letter metrics.

 

[beb0p]

Pretty sure there was a Napoleonic point guard throwing a wrench in the works that should probably be accounted for.

Considering the type of offense Karl is looking to run, if he's a bad fit for Cousins, then Karl's offense will be a bad fit for Cousins.

That Napoleonic point guard didn't arrived until Year 2 of the Reke/Cousins experiment and wasn't given full reign until Reke was gone. Yes, IT presents problems of his own but you really can't pin THIS failure on IT.

Karl likes shooters. Always has. Reke is not a shooter, never will be. It's possible Karl figures out how to use Reke eventually because he's Karl, but those two are not ideal match at first glance.
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[beb0p]

You gotta look at who was coaching our teams then and re-think your position. Malone and Karl would work wonders with a Cuz-Reke duo.

But that's the problem right there - you have two players that decent NBA coaches couldn't for the live of them figure out how they should play together. It requires the greatest of basketball minds to even have a crack at solving this riddle. What does that tell ya?
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[k_dubb90]

But that's the problem right there - you have two players that decent NBA coaches couldn't for the live of them figure out how they should play together. It requires the greatest of basketball minds to even have a crack at solving this riddle. What does that tell ya?
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Paul Westphal and Keith smart are not decent nba coaches, not even competent

 

[jdbraver]

And its still never been proven you can consistently stop that drive.

Seriously, if people haven't watched the Pels this year they really need to quit talking. Reke's +/- stats this year are absolutely off the charts. Top 20 in the entire league off the charts. He is one of the very most important players in the entire league to his team offensively, and a big part of it is precisely because of all the attention those drives draw. Its a special talent, one of the single most devastating weapons in the league. And A.D. absolutely thrives when the attention gets drawn off.

Rudy is the better player.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

And its still never been proven you can consistently stop that drive.

Seriously, if people haven't watched the Pels this year they really need to quit talking. Reke's +/- stats this year are absolutely off the charts. Top 20 in the entire league off the charts. He is one of the very most important players in the entire league to his team offensively, and a big part of it is precisely because of all the attention those drives draw. Its a special talent, one of the single most devastating weapons in the league. And A.D. absolutely thrives when the attention gets drawn off.

we couldn't put together a team that fit his skill set. marcus thornton? little pizza guy? chuck hayes? donte greene? aaron brooks? john salmons? we needed some 3 & d players and ended with a bunch of players that needed the ball in their hands to be effective. the one guard who could actually do some damage was playing off the ball.

 

[pshn80]

And a special note for PDA: put into PG spot, Reke is now loved by advanced stats, getting into top-50 of most advanced one-for-all, 3-4 letter metrics.

And what language are you speaking and does it have anything to do with basketball ............ you know, passing, dribbling, running, shooting, scoring, winning basketball games? What price do you pay to get what Tyreke is offering at PG? Evans has always been a very good basketball player, one that I thought had to go for the good of the team, and one that I wish well and never covet.

 

[kingsnation]

But that's the problem right there - you have two players that decent NBA coaches couldn't for the live of them figure out how they should play together. It requires the greatest of basketball minds to even have a crack at solving this riddle. What does that tell ya?
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You and I have radically different definitions of 'decent'

Are you honestly telling me that you think our coaches before Malone were decent? How can you even argue that? I'm genuinely curious.

 

[Gilles]

And what language are you speaking and does it have anything to do with basketball ............ you know, passing, dribbling, running, shooting, scoring, winning basketball games? What price do you pay to get what Tyreke is offering at PG? Evans has always been a very good basketball player, one that I thought had to go for the good of the team, and one that I wish well and never covet.

Well, I speak Russian, English, also rather bad German, Spanish and Italian.
As to basketball-related part of your post, I believe, Mr. Evans has no problems with....... you know, passing, dribbling, running, scoring, winning basketball games. Composite advanced stats try to measure either overall impact or effectiveness in roles, players have. That's why some for years named guys like Nick Collison or Battier elite, and they were among the best playing background, support role to their stars. Tyreke is considered top50 NBA player by all kinds of stats, creating a base for an argument, that, maybe, he found his place as a second banana next to a dominant big man. And it was Monty Williams of all people, who managed to figure this out. Actually, no, he just lucked out in this situation, when Jrue became injured, and EGordon unexpectedly remained healthy for some time, returning to good level of production. Notice, how Pels are playing rather well without Anderson, who apparently should provide the most positive impact, opening up the floor for Evans. Somehow Reke doesn't miss it that much.

 

[pshn80]

Well, I speak Russian, English, also rather bad German, Spanish and Italian.
As to basketball-related part of your post, I believe, Mr. Evans has no problems with....... you know, passing, dribbling, running, scoring, winning basketball games. Composite advanced stats try to measure either overall impact or effectiveness in roles, players have. That's why some for years named guys like Nick Collison or Battier elite, and they were among the best playing background, support role to their stars. Tyreke is considered top50 NBA player by all kinds of stats, creating a base for an argument, that, maybe, he found his place as a second banana next to a dominant big man. And it was Monty Williams of all people, who managed to figure this out. Actually, no, he just lucked out in this situation, when Jrue became injured, Andy EGordon unexpectedly remained healthy for some time, returning to good level of production. Notice, how Pels are playing rather well without Anderson, who apparently should provide the most positive impact, opening up the floor for Evans. Somehow Reke doesn't miss it that much.

That's a little more understandable for me. I'm really happy that Tyreke has found a match with AD and the Pelicans. He used to play for us in days gone by and unfortunately he didn't match up too well after a long try. We've both moved on and each case for the best.

 

[k_dubb90]

Well this turned into a 'reke' thread fast