Grades v. Pacers 03/17

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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
NOTE: I missed a chunk of the early game so take these for what they are worth.

Artest ( C- ) -- disappointing return that maybe went wrong the way you feared it might. Ok not the charging-into-the-stands-to-choke-Donnie-Walsh feared it might, but feared it might on the court. Played a solid first half guarded by and being guarded by his pal Stephen Jackson and getting the better of it. But as things got tight in the second half Ron's emotions got a little of out of control I think. On defense he switched over onto Peja, and while he did slow him down, Peja was also causing him some sporadic problems on that end. And on offense Ron got a case of heroitis when Indiana really started to squeeze us and started chucking up far too many shots, and bad shots at that. Just wasn't able to finish the game playing within himself. As a minor aside did do something real nice at the end of the third -- Brad thought he got fouled on the final play of the quarter, had bitter beer face on, and was well on his way to getting a technical and giving away a free point (which would have tied it). But Ron came over, stepped in between, and bodily pushed Brad halfway across the court to get him away from the ref. Been wiating for somebody to do that for three years now.
Thomas ( D+ ) -- quiet and ineffective game. Game was very physical, which maybe doesn't favor Kenny that much because of the strength issue -- he uses quickness. Picked up a few chippee fouls in the 3rd. Lit up by Danny Granger when he was guarding the rook. Lost time to Reef who wasn't much offensively but was on the glass tonight. Missed a point blank layup in the last 30 seconds to cap his night and help seal the loss.
Miller ( B- ) -- many assists, and running the offense early with an all around game. Even showing flashes of that newfound interior defense once more. But quieted down in the second half, and as feared Foster was all over him on the glass. Still managed a near triple double, albeit in another exhausting 45min. Hit a late three to keep us right there until the final two minutes.
Martin ( B ) -- very quiet start even as the rest of the team was doing well. Spent a lot of time on Peja, and while sounded good in theory, Peja, believe it or not, was too physical for him. :eek: But came out and was having a big third. Peja was still able to work inside (again :eek: ) but Kevin was giving him some of the Peja treatment on the other side of the floor where his superior quickness was letting him get to the hoop and pop open for open threes. And then came the most interesting coaching move of the night. With Kevin having scored 10pts in the first half of the third, Rick pulled him in favor of Bonzi. And basically that was the end of the night for Kevin. To say that was questionable is an understatement. On the other hand it may well have been done to bolster our defense -- the Pacers started off the third quarter shooting an amazing 14-16 from the field, and Peja to the rim was a part of that. But still...at that point Kevin was our offense in the quarter, and he really deserved some more minutes tonight even if it was just to give Mike a little breather in the 4th.
Bibby ( C ) -- big first half scoring the ball and as the biggest difference maker in the game. Seemed poised to maybe have one of those explosive outings on the road where he just shoots the other team out of the game. But the Pacers made some nice adjustements on him, and in the second half he was having a hard time getting open, let alone hitting his shots. And with the offense neutralized, his defensive shortcomings came to the fore as Jamaal Tinsley, back from his annual half-season of injury rehab, exploded off the bench and was blasting by Mike at will into the paint. Mike finally stepped up and hit a big three in the last two minutes, but then came back and earased much of the good by forcing up another one on the next possession without even looking for the pass. What started out as a good grade in this one kept on sinking. Part of it was not his fault as, if nothing else, the Pacers were really jumping him in the second half and making it very hard for him to get anything going offensively. Which shudl have benefitted the rest of the team wiht the atrtention being focused on Mike. But given that that was going on, the other side of the ball became even more critical for him as a place to contribute, and he really did not.
Bonzi ( C+ ) -- how to grade this? How indeed. Bonzi Wells, 6'5"ish OG, comes off the bench and in 30minutes grabs 17 rebounds! Bonzi Wells 6'5"ish OG comes off the bench and shoots 4-15 until a meaningless dunk in the dying seconds, and misses point blank shot after point blank shot. Both are true. Each mitigates for a wildly different grade. Another tough as nails performance from Bonzi. All kinds of physical, all over the glass, even picked up a questionable flagrant foul, and got himself into foul trouble in the first half. But he was never able to maintain any sort of efficiency. Had some flashes -- closed the third with some nice hustle plays on the offensive glass. Started the 4th with some nice postups. But just could not consistently finish, and missed a number of point blank shots down the stretch. In fact a lot of his rebounds were of the offensive variety, grabbing his own misses and going up to frequently miss again. Tough game. But messy game.
Reef ( C+ ) -- very atypical Reef effort. And effort being a good word, for he certainly gave us one. This time he was all over the glass...but then turned around and was unable to get anything to fall offensively. Compounded his difficulties finsihing by missing his FTs, including a few that hurt in the 4th. Like Bonzi a lot of his rebounding really centered around his own futile efforts to score. But still, the two bench guys were similar in that they came in, simply could not hit, but gave us hustle and boardwork that no other Kings cuold provide. Sans Bonzi and Reef, we get crushed on the glass.

Adelman ( ) -- Well. Too bad we could not have gotten this one for Ron. We certainly came out like we wanted to. Just exploded in the first quarter in a rush of emotion I would imagine. But things turned quickly as we started to really struggle in the second, could not hit anything, saw our two benchers have ahard time finsihing. And from then on it was largely a dogfight. Well played game actually. Intense. Fun to watch. Rotation questions will abound given the result (the irony in a close game is that if you barely win it, then nobody questions the rotation because if you did anything different you might have barely lost instead). But miss a couple of extra shots, and its all fair game. Seven man rotation of course. But in many ways almsot 3 guys going the whole way (Mike, Brad, Ron all racked up 45min) and platoons at the OG and PF. If we win, again you say do what it takes. But when you lose you hate to see those sorts of minutes piling up. We'll be lucky to have enough energy left to walk it up in the playoffs at this rate. Playign Brad all these minutes has left Kenny and Reef kind of splitting PF. Not that I even remotely like Reef at center mind you, in particular not against a big front line. But Brad has shown that eh WILL break down. And 45 min every night is just too much. And then of course there's the Kevin thing in third quarter. Kevin had been quiet in the first half. He was also getting worked over a little bit by Peja on the other end. But that said he really WAS the offense for us in the third. Adn to take him out just right in the middle of his hot streak...weird. Worked I guess if the idea was to slow the Pacers down. We did. But it also slowed us down, and we never really did find a hot hand for the entire remainder of the game. Meanwhiel Bonzi crashed and banged his way to a big night on the glass, but could not finish. Suspect that since his best moemnts were in the late 3rd/early 4th what happened was that he was playing well, and so Rick put off reinserting Kevin, and put it off, and by the tiem he thought about it again we were into crucnh time where he trusts the veteran more anyway. But still don't like the timing of the inital move. At least wait until the kid misses a shot or two. And if getting burned by Peja is really that big a deal, switch him on over to Jackson for a while and let Ron go at Peja. In any case, that's where the complaints will be. Not too bummed about the loss. Just one loss, and something to learn from. Good intense atmosphere may help as we start to prepare for a potential playoff run. And the Pacers are a good enough team, and a motivated one in this game, that you can lose to them on their home floor without it being a disaster. So now off to the freefalling T-Wolves to hopefully salvage the split and get back to trying to steal the #6 from Memphis.

Peja ( A or... F) -- depends how you look at it. At least now we know what the problem was in Sacto -- Peja had clearly left his balls buried in an Indiana cornfield somewhere. Tonight he played physically. On purpose even. Grabbed boards. Ventured into the paint without letting out a squeal. And used his size and strength advantage to work inside on layups and even a dunk or two. Not a huge game. But a well played well rounded one where he was more than just a shooter.
 
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Bibby--F--Such a pathetic show of "defense" doesn't deserve anything else...How can you get so badly schooled OVER, and OVER, and OVER, and OVER and etc. etc.

Also fell in love with his "Run up the court and jack up a horrible shot with 21 seconds on the shot clock" play, which because it takes so long to type, when Bibby falls in love with that shot, it will now be referenced to as the "Jason Williams Play."
 
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bonzi - F for missing about 100 layups in the paint...if we get those easy ones it isnt a close game...absolutely painful game to watch after the first quarter
 
pregame layup drill: F

Officials: F
And not for costing any team the game, they were bad both ways. It's just ridiculous that in a game of this much emotion that they decide to let the game get physical to near-violent. It's just irresponsible on their part.
 
swisshh said:
Officials: F
And not for costing any team the game, they were bad both ways. It's just ridiculous that in a game of this much emotion that they decide to let the game get physical to near-violent. It's just irresponsible on their part.

Actually I rather liked the way they called it. Refs should be invisible whenever possible. And also a good tuneup for the playoffs I think.
 
that game was pathetic...not even worth grading..

im going to go to sleep or something...im so damn dissapointed
 
Can't win em all... Should have definitely won this one. But after seeing the Kings come out in the first like that, I immediately got nervous. Most of those were terrible one on one shots that just went in. When those stopped falling, the Kings continued to play 1on1 basketball. That's the best way to describe it, awful defense, and one on one basketball. You will never win that way.
 
Bricklayer said:
Actually I rather liked the way they called it. Refs should be invisible whenever possible. And also a good tuneup for the playoffs I think.

Normally I'd agree, but this game had something extra going into it and there were a couple times were something bad nearly happened. I also don't like physical injury being risked.

I like it when they let players play, but not let it get out of hand. I thought it was getting out of hand in this game.
 
D+ for Adelman for NOT putting in Kevin Martin very much adn the whole 4th quarter. Didnt Rick see how Kevin was playing? iIt was grea! ANd he still kept in Bonzi even though he was missing all those lay-ups. The only reason I would put Bonzi in was because he .............

HAD 17 REBOUNDS !!
 
Bricklayer said:
And also a good tuneup for the playoffs I think.

Not sure that could be termed a "tuneup". I'd call it more of a bellweather. When the going gets tough, we see what happens to the Kings' offense. When the refs swallow the whistles, like what WILL happen in the playoffs, Bibby and Artest believe that they are the ONLY ones that can "save" us.

They were HORRIBLE.

Bibby = F (irregardless of 22 points)
Artest = F

Bibby was the epitome of poor defense. Tinsley beat him EVERY time and either scored, passed to an open guy created by Mike's yielding way, or occasionally missed a shot, but the ones he missed all were easy shots. If Bibby doesn't get help out on the perimeter, our D becomes a sieve like what we just witnessed.

When the going gets tough, Artest decides that HE has to make the shots. It's ALL on his shoulders. Unfortunately, it's ALL in his mind. No running of the offense in pressure times. He hurt us big time and was not any sort of monster on D to compensate.

Bonzi= B on defense
Bonzi = F on offense

17 boards was huge (even though he usually gets about 25% of those on his OWN misses) and he did OK on his men. But he is an absolute liability on O. Can't make a layup under pressure unless it's his second or third or fourth try.

Which brings us to KMart. He gets 3 offensive touches in the 1st quarter and doesn't get going. Erupts in the 3rd quarter when everyone else was sucking. Scores 10 of the Kings first 14 points in the quarter and then...inexplicably...it was "time" for Bonzi to come in...and there goes a hot shooter to the bench, never to return until the game was more or less over with seconds left. Kevin gets a B...not a great D performance for him, getting mixed up on switches sveral times, but not a travesty like Mike gave us. Had he played more, he might have done a lot more, put up more points, had a greater impact, and scored higher.

Which brings us to Adelman and the coaching staff...a crystal clear F for these guys. The KMart extraction, letting Bibby stay in there while killing the team on D, leaving Artest in the game or not making an adjustment when Ron kept causing stagnation and ballhogging. Just pathetic.

This was a game where the coach could have indeed made a difference with various adjustments and the like to alter what certain players were doing to damage the team's chances. It never happened.

Finally, back to the playoffs, if we get in and that still looks good, if this team does not play patient when the game is tense, we're not going to do a damn thing. If Bibby and Artest do not play in the flow of the offense, with the occasional 1-on-1 busting of the offensive set, we are doomed. If one of them happens to get hot, we get by, but don't bet the house on that.

This was indeed JUST ONE GAME but, due to its physical nature and how the game was called, it is a lot more meaningful than the previous 5 which we won. The Kings still have a LONG ways to go.
 
SLAB said:
Bibby--F--Such a pathetic show of "defense" doesn't deserve anything else...How can you get so badly schooled OVER, and OVER, and OVER, and OVER and etc. etc.

Also fell in love with his "Run up the court and jack up a horrible shot with 21 seconds on the shot clock" play, which because it takes so long to type, when Bibby falls in love with that shot, it will now be referenced to as the "Jason Williams Play."
You can deservedly pick on Bibby's defense. But as far as shooting you are most definitely picking on the wrong player.

Bibby: 47% FG; 45.4% 3FG; and made his one FT.

on the other hand:

Ron 28.6% FG%
Bonzi 26.6%
Shareef 25.0%

And Shareef was 40% at the FT line.
 
kennadog said:
You can deservedly pick on Bibby's defense. But as far as shooting you are most definitely picking on the wrong player.

Bibby: 47% FG; 45.4% 3FG; and made his one FT.

on the other hand:

Ron 28.6% FG%
Bonzi 26.6%
Shareef 25.0%

And Shareef was 40% at the FT line.

Outside of Bibby's 5-5 start, or whatever he did, what did he shoot? 3-12?

After his torrid start, he was just atrocious in every aspect of the game.

And his Jason Williams impersonation, which he does to much, IMO, needs to stop...He's our PG and should set something up, not jack up off-balance jumpers from 23 with 20 seconds on the shot clock.
 
I was a bit concerned about Mike when Adelman actually, for once, said something to Mike about, oh my God, running the offense instead of jacking quick shots, and Mike looked at him like he had gone straight raving nuts and couldn't POSSIBLY be talking to HIM.
 
I think it was more 4/5 and then 4/12. And yes, still, a drop off. but he shot 47% overall, so i guess you can say it just balanced out.

How about Artest. Started 3/5, and after that 3/17.

Bibby DID play terrible D, but it's not like he's the only one who played poorly out there tonight.
 
Kingsgurl said:
I was a bit concerned about Mike when Adelman actually, for once, said something to Mike about, oh my God, running the offense instead of jacking quick shots, and Mike looked at him like he had gone straight raving nuts and couldn't POSSIBLY be talking to HIM.

Yup, I noticed that too, as did Grant and Jerry.

I gotta stop bashing on Bibby, its only one bad game.

BUT, you know he's playing bad when your calling for him to be replaced with Jason Hart...At least he would have *attempted* to slow down the biggest offensive talent in the league that is Jamal F'n Tinsley.
 
LMM said:
I think it was more 4/5 and then 4/12. And yes, still, a drop off. but he shot 47% overall, so i guess you can say it just balanced out.

How about Artest. Started 3/5, and after that 3/17.

Bibby DID play terrible D, but it's not like he's the only one who played poorly out there tonight.

Artest didn't allow 20 points to Jamal F'n Tinsley.

And Artest didn't pull 3/4 Jason Williams Plays, which totally knock us out of synch.

Artest may have shot horribly, but he had a lot of open shots that we're falling short.
 
Nets -- A+ for beating the Lakers!

Lakers lost! Yay!

With the Kings loss, this made me feel a bit better. :)
 
SLAB said:
Artest didn't allow 20 points to Jamal F'n Tinsley.

And Artest didn't pull 3/4 Jason Williams Plays, which totally knock us out of synch.

Artest may have shot horribly, but he had a lot of open shots that we're falling short.

Artest DID force a lot of shots, too. Fadeaways, long two's, etc. Come on. Was Mike guarding Granger, also? Mike also didn't prevent Foster from grabbing 16 boards, right?

You're too upset at Mike right now.
 
Not trying to bash anybody here. All players have their shortcomings. Mike was just really exposed tonight, defensively. I put this one mostly at the feet of the coaching staff, and I am not one to usually do so. They seemed to have NO control of what was going on out there and the one time they seemed to be trying to gain control, they got flat blown off. Who, exactly, is running this show? Mike? Ron? It certainly was not Adelman.
 
Eh, I know.

I chose one whipping boy for the night, and that happened to be Bibby.

It could have been others, I admit, but I just can't get over Jamal Tinsley taking us to school.
 
I just got back from the game. Adelman plays his starters way too many minutes. Does he do that in every close game. The Kings looked tired late in the game. If I were a Kings fan that would drive me crazy
 
SLAB said:
Eh, I know.

I chose one whipping boy for the night, and that happened to be Bibby.

It could have been others, I admit, but I just can't get over Jamal Tinsley taking us to school.

You are aware, are you not, that Tinsley averaged 15.4ppg last season?
 
Kingsgurl said:
Not trying to bash anybody here. All players have their shortcomings. Mike was just really exposed tonight, defensively. I put this one mostly at the feet of the coaching staff, and I am not one to usually do so. They seemed to have NO control of what was going on out there and the one time they seemed to be trying to gain control, they got flat blown off. Who, exactly, is running this show? Mike? Ron? It certainly was not Adelman.

Tonight's game, I think players just wanted to win so bad and tried to win it on their own.

Artest knows everyone's watching him and I'm sure he'd love nothing more than to win.

Brad and Bonzi are coming back home, and so there's a lot of emotion there. They want to play well for their "home" crowd.

Just like when Adelman said the Kings didn't handle all the hype that came with the first Kobe vs Artest matchup, I think the Kings couldn't handle the hype of Artest coming back home to Indy. When the Pacers answered the Kings great 1st quarter run, each player just tried to win it by himself.
 
Bricklayer said:
You are aware, are you not, that Tinsley averaged 16ppg last season?

I'm fully aware.....but

It could have been others, I admit, but I just can't get over Jamal Tinsley taking us to school.
I agree here. Jamal is NOT nearly as quick, especially having missed most of the freaking season with injuries, as Mike made him look tonight.
 
Im aware Tinsley has been a good player.

And now that I've looked at everything, Im still disapointed, but I was for some reason under the impression that Tinsley has been injured recently and was just coming back...

Dont I sound like an idiot.

Still disapointed at his ability to get right around him constantly, though.
 
Tinsley has been playing solid since coming back and being eased back into the line-up. Has played like 6 games since coming back before tonight. He's strong, crafty, and is indeed quick. In the back of my mind, that didn't surprise me too much tonight. I've come to like him over the last couple years, just wish he could stay healthy.
 
Just like when Adelman said the Kings didn't handle all the hype that came with the first Kobe vs Artest matchup, I think the Kings couldn't handle the hype of Artest coming back home to Indy. When the Pacers answered the Kings great 1st quarter run, each player just tried to win it by himself.

Well, they better freaking LEARN to handle stuff like that. What, they can play good in easy games, games with no emotion? That's great, and certainly WAY better than earlier in the season, but they have to learn to play the 'emotonal' ones too. The reason I put it on the coaching staff in this case (aside from the rotation that made you scratch your head and go WTF?) is because they did not try to gain control over the emotions, or the players. Adelman treats these guys like they are all grown up and will make the right decisions, tonight, they disproved that theory. I'm sure he figures they will learn from it.
 
Martin's absence in the 4th also bothered me. I don't recall seeing the Artest/Martin backcourt in the second half. Three things killed us: bad offense, Bibby's D and missed layups. I think Martin could have helped with all of those issues. He's quicker on defense, his movement on offense makes the offense better and hey, he was making his layups. Actually, missed free throws also hurt us and Kevin is one of our best FT shooters.
 
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