They didn't seem to play very hard for him.
[Grades] Grades. v. Mighty Sixers 12/30/2015
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KingMilz
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Star studded we don't even have that we got nobodies that put up empty stats that don't play hard
Albatros
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He says this every other week.
Albatros
Starter
That's because he's not going to get another one.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I was always amused at the Scott Brooks hate.
Any dude with his resume will get more shots. Multiple.
Byron Scott is on about his 5th team at this point. Brooks is at much the same point Rick Adelman was before the Warriors hired him, and then we did.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
What in the hell are people talking about with Cousins TONIGHT?
He certainly did not dominate the game, but then again he was being swarmed and had guys flying over his back every time down the floor.
I said this earlier, but you have to come in with a pretty strong agenda to pick one of two players on the squad doing ANYTHING, and then blame them for the loss. No wonder people are so confused about what is going on.
Ben was good for a half, disappeared and then forgotten about after half.
Sixers took away Casspi's threes, and he largely disappeared
Rudy really concerns me. You want somebody who is as a ghost right now, there's a man. Not sure why.
Rondo is schizophrenic as hell right now, and again this game set up almost every Marco shot, and then just made terrible terrible turnovers on flat bad passes that killed us all night long. I again don't understand why. And he's getting torched on defense.
Collison just plays wildly out of control at all times anymore, and I assume that's coaching since he didn't play like that last year.
Kosta was just a meh again. Always. He misses about as many plays as he makes, and missed every board.
And then you have Cuz chugging his way to 21pts 11reb while being really hammered to the line every time. And Marco finally bringing the shooting game, if not much else.
How the hell does Cuz get the blame in which he was one of only two players showing up? A little quick math tells me Cousins scored 21pts on a .558 TS%grabbed 11reb, added 3 blocks and at least two charges drawn. Possibly a third one, I forget. And his offense was hammering inside and being hammered in return, to the tune of 20 FTs.
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KingsFanGER
Starter
Well that was embarissing.
Cousins, Koufos, Acy and to a lesser extent Ben were the only players, that at least tried to play some defense. The unforced Small on Big switching in pick&rolls was back into place. And how is it even possible to leave the few reliable 3 point shooters the 76ers have on their roster open all the time, while mindlessly rotating to the likes of Grant (19% from 3 this season), Stauskas (29% from 3 this season), Sampson (21% from 3 this season). I mean all you have to do is to stay close to Covington, Canaan, Thompson and MCConnell. But this seems to be too complicated for our coaching staff and players to figure out.
Our pick&roll defense with Cousins involved is a huge problem, that every opposing coach will try to exploit. I don't know, if this is on Cousins, on our PG's or on the weakside rotations, but somehow we need to do a better job with this.
Marco had a nice shooting night, but what's this gonna do for us, when he leaves shooters wide open on D and than makes some weak alibi closeout attempt. If I were Karl I would have pulled Rondo and DC out of the game by halftime and subbed in Curry for the whole game. I know Curry might be a fringe NBA player, but he plays within his limits and hustles his tail off on D.
Same goes for Rudy. Sub in Acy early and be done with it, if Rudy doesn't want to show up.
I mean we all saw tonight, how a locked in athletic wing player looks like. Grant is nowhere close to Rudy, when it comes to basketball skills, but he just makes an impact with hustle and defense alone.
And while I have been not one of those, who advocate for Cousins post ups. If there is one team, where you go to that strategy, when your guards throw the ball all over the floor and your center is trying to get fancy with the ball again, it's the 76ers. Yes Noel will slap the ball away from DMC a few times, Grant will block a few shots, but those guys are simply not strong enough to defend an aggressive DMC down low without fouling. And if DMC needs to shoot 40 FT's - I don't care. Just stop trying to play fancy and focus on simple basketball plays.
So fed up with those stupid, rushed passes or low percentage early shot attempts. This has nothing to do with PACE and modern era basketball. It's just dumb as hell pick-up basketball without the ability to execute any type of gameplan.
Good job fueling a team, which has one reliable half court player but a whole bunch of leapers, rim runners and open court players with countless TO, of which a bunch was completely unforced.....
Cousins, Koufos, Acy and to a lesser extent Ben were the only players, that at least tried to play some defense. The unforced Small on Big switching in pick&rolls was back into place. And how is it even possible to leave the few reliable 3 point shooters the 76ers have on their roster open all the time, while mindlessly rotating to the likes of Grant (19% from 3 this season), Stauskas (29% from 3 this season), Sampson (21% from 3 this season). I mean all you have to do is to stay close to Covington, Canaan, Thompson and MCConnell. But this seems to be too complicated for our coaching staff and players to figure out.
Our pick&roll defense with Cousins involved is a huge problem, that every opposing coach will try to exploit. I don't know, if this is on Cousins, on our PG's or on the weakside rotations, but somehow we need to do a better job with this.
Marco had a nice shooting night, but what's this gonna do for us, when he leaves shooters wide open on D and than makes some weak alibi closeout attempt. If I were Karl I would have pulled Rondo and DC out of the game by halftime and subbed in Curry for the whole game. I know Curry might be a fringe NBA player, but he plays within his limits and hustles his tail off on D.
Same goes for Rudy. Sub in Acy early and be done with it, if Rudy doesn't want to show up.
I mean we all saw tonight, how a locked in athletic wing player looks like. Grant is nowhere close to Rudy, when it comes to basketball skills, but he just makes an impact with hustle and defense alone.
And while I have been not one of those, who advocate for Cousins post ups. If there is one team, where you go to that strategy, when your guards throw the ball all over the floor and your center is trying to get fancy with the ball again, it's the 76ers. Yes Noel will slap the ball away from DMC a few times, Grant will block a few shots, but those guys are simply not strong enough to defend an aggressive DMC down low without fouling. And if DMC needs to shoot 40 FT's - I don't care. Just stop trying to play fancy and focus on simple basketball plays.
So fed up with those stupid, rushed passes or low percentage early shot attempts. This has nothing to do with PACE and modern era basketball. It's just dumb as hell pick-up basketball without the ability to execute any type of gameplan.
Good job fueling a team, which has one reliable half court player but a whole bunch of leapers, rim runners and open court players with countless TO, of which a bunch was completely unforced.....
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KingMilz
Guest
Great stats for fantasy basketball but wins not so much sadly, Noel had a way bigger impact regardless of per 36 stats or anything else, Noel/Grant/Smith killed HOF/elite 2nd option and Mr Triple Double, down the stretch they got out hustled and the 76ers made better decisons. Can't teach effort or basketball iq sadly.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
That's a nice, sloppy, attempt to lump Cuz in with two guys who struggled mightily and got considerably outplayed, but it appears embarrassingly agenda ridden.
Rudy didn't come to play and got killed by Grant, who BTW is hardly some great basketball IQ guy, but just brought young legs and all out hustle.
Rondo couldn't stay in front of Smith, and had a strange A+ passing game setting up Belinelli, and F passing game passing it to everybody else, mostly Sixers.
Cousins game in no way gets lumped into that duo. he rumbled to a reasonable productive, physically punishing, night inside. Not dynamic enough to win the game himself this time, but certainly more than good enough to win games with if he had gotten decent supporting turns from anybody other than Bels.
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KingMilz
Guest
That's the saddest thing they got outsmarted by younger players with less iq along with having to carry Nik Staskuas.
Letsgokings13
Starter
Has Rudy Gay been with the team these last 6 games?
jcassio
Starter
If you read my post and think I'm blaming Cuz for us losing this game, then either you're not listening or I'm doing a lousy job of communicating. This game was a breaking point for me, where it became clear to me that Cuz is not going to become the player we need him to be, and that Karl is incapable of fixing this mess. There's plenty of blame to go around for losing this game, including the fact that your best player needs to be effective and on-the-floor at the end of the game. But I'm choosing to focus not on the specifics of this bitter loss, but on what it means to me in the larger context of our team and its future.
Kingfisher
Prospect
F to all !
shame on us, playing this way in front of our fans.
do you think we will cross the 30 W this season ? I doubt it.
Not this way, without a desire to win, without putting it all every game. the
I don't know if there is a trade coming, but something needs to be done in a way we will stop being such Losers!
In the preseason we said that Rondo and Beli are champions and they will help changing it, but as we can all see - it is not helping.
The thing is that we really have a talent team, we are much better than last year, at least on the paper. we added to the roster the player we needed. This makes me wonder maybe it is not related to the player,
but to C Karl and his stuff. I'm not a favor of changing coaches during the year, but ..... whats the plan ? where this team headed ? don't know, a very sad days for a kings fans.
shame on us, playing this way in front of our fans.
do you think we will cross the 30 W this season ? I doubt it.
Not this way, without a desire to win, without putting it all every game. the
I don't know if there is a trade coming, but something needs to be done in a way we will stop being such Losers!
In the preseason we said that Rondo and Beli are champions and they will help changing it, but as we can all see - it is not helping.
The thing is that we really have a talent team, we are much better than last year, at least on the paper. we added to the roster the player we needed. This makes me wonder maybe it is not related to the player,
but to C Karl and his stuff. I'm not a favor of changing coaches during the year, but ..... whats the plan ? where this team headed ? don't know, a very sad days for a kings fans.
LA King Fan II
Bench
I will explain my problems with Cuz.
His first intention on any offensive move is to get a foul. It is an embarassment the way he flops to the floor at hus size. Ask yourself how many times he would fall to the ground in a pick up game at his size.
He is out of shape. He drags across half court late on both ends.
Hes slow on D. He gets beat, reaches horribly and then cries about tge stupid foul.
He is "above" being coached or disciplined. How does this work in a team sport. The coach has to let him be his own man...er child. BS.
He is not good enough to merit hands off coaching. I can name 15 guys id rather build a team around and all if them are more coachable and better basketball players and miles closer to being HOF than him.
He did ok on team USA thanks to being surrounded by a superior cast and facing inferior competition. He will NEVER get such a setup in the NBA and will never exhibit such ease with hus role.
I dont care about his fan duel points, this is the third or fourth coach hes quit on. I fully believe hed have done the same with Malone. Im tured of the Malone thing. Kings plated well, but blew a couple ganes with him in charge thanks to his misuse of players. Ultimately cuz couldnt stay on court. Whether its injuries, foul trouble, conditioning, suspensions, or tantrums or flat out surrender ive seen enough of his act and his excuses.
His first intention on any offensive move is to get a foul. It is an embarassment the way he flops to the floor at hus size. Ask yourself how many times he would fall to the ground in a pick up game at his size.
He is out of shape. He drags across half court late on both ends.
Hes slow on D. He gets beat, reaches horribly and then cries about tge stupid foul.
He is "above" being coached or disciplined. How does this work in a team sport. The coach has to let him be his own man...er child. BS.
He is not good enough to merit hands off coaching. I can name 15 guys id rather build a team around and all if them are more coachable and better basketball players and miles closer to being HOF than him.
He did ok on team USA thanks to being surrounded by a superior cast and facing inferior competition. He will NEVER get such a setup in the NBA and will never exhibit such ease with hus role.
I dont care about his fan duel points, this is the third or fourth coach hes quit on. I fully believe hed have done the same with Malone. Im tured of the Malone thing. Kings plated well, but blew a couple ganes with him in charge thanks to his misuse of players. Ultimately cuz couldnt stay on court. Whether its injuries, foul trouble, conditioning, suspensions, or tantrums or flat out surrender ive seen enough of his act and his excuses.
Not that Cousins was to blame last night but I am also getting tired of him being James Harden v2.0. The guy hardly ever uses a clean post move. Damn near every attempt to score under the basket looks like an attempt at an And 1. He's constantly flailing around and doing all this crazy looking crap that is basically just junk basketball. We can partially blame Karl but even when Cousins works inside he's just not finishing. How many point blank shots has he missed this year? A guy with his size and his talent should not be missing so many easy hoops in the paint. It's all because he's worried more about the foul than the ball going in the hoop. Just worry about your job, which is getting the damn ball in the hoop.
KingsFanGER
Starter
Cousins doesn't flop more than any player in this league. Drawing fouls is a very valid strategy for a man his built and with his usually solid freethrow shooting. In fact that's what makes him so dangerous for opposing teams.
The out of shape thing keeps coming up. Lets be real here Cousins is not overweight. He has a strong core and I would think he is at about 15% body fat. I know everyone wants him to move like KAT or AD, but we will get nothing more than similar movement as Gasol, Bogut or Lopez from him and those guys aren't the corner stones of an NBA offense and trail plays often enough.
Why is he above being coached? He is obviously changing his game? Why is that?
Those 15 guys you can name don't play for the Kings and aren't available. What's available is Cousins. He has his flaws and it's an interesting debate, if we can build around such a player in todays league, but he is here and it would be a very risky thing to move him just for the hope to somehow get a player, that can make an impact through the draft. For every Towns, Wiggins, there are countless Randles, Parkers, Embiids out there.
You really want to go down that road with a rookie GM?
This Cousins debate is way too emotional. To me it seems, that some people just want to change something, because anything needs to be better than what we see right now.
You won't be able to make any good decisions regarding the future of this franchise with such a mindset. And while we are just fans and won't make these decisions the pressure on the FO rises constantly - every blogger, media guy and even the own announcer pushes for a DMC trade.
I personally think this is concerning and I expect the Kings making one of these stupid decisions soon, that hampered the development for this franchise for so long.
Fear the Putin
Starter
I said that heads should start rolling if we lose here. Seems like it's happening.
origkds
What- Me Worry?
What?
John Galt
Starter
I wish you were right, but it's already almost 9AM and no Woj bomb...I said that heads should start rolling if we lose here. Seems like it's happening.
jcwkings
All-Star
Trade Cousins and Rondo first, you can get value for them. Get young players that play hard, are team players, coachable and professional. Consider a Rudy trade as well but I likely see it reasonable to keep him, let his stock increase without Cousins and Rondo in the picture and try to trade him at the draft or just off season. Im indifferent on Karl, I dont love his schemes on defense, but I also feel he is a victim of your best players not buying in and it permeating down the roster. Remove the bad eggs and we will see a better effort from everyone else.
Keep WCS, who is actually the perfect C for how the league is playing these days. I would say keep Ben because you see flashes of his potential as a two way player. Keep Omri, DC, Koufos, Bellinelli as your pro vets that have value but are useful to any team. Keep Acy and Curry both are showing signs of being good role players, Curry I feel is showing much more than I expected. Just give me a group of players I can be proud to watch night in and out. Guys that play hard, together, that goes much further than fantasy stats.
Keep WCS, who is actually the perfect C for how the league is playing these days. I would say keep Ben because you see flashes of his potential as a two way player. Keep Omri, DC, Koufos, Bellinelli as your pro vets that have value but are useful to any team. Keep Acy and Curry both are showing signs of being good role players, Curry I feel is showing much more than I expected. Just give me a group of players I can be proud to watch night in and out. Guys that play hard, together, that goes much further than fantasy stats.
SacKings384
Starter
How many games are we going to give up back-breaking offensive rebounds before Karl realizes that Gay at the 4 is not a good way to close out the game? Every time we have a close game in the fourth it's the same crap. Missed shot on scramble defense, and give up the offensive board. Over and over again.
There are a LOT of things wrong with this Kings team.
The defensive scheme just invites mismatches and doesn't leave players in a position to close out on three point shots
The defensive effort of the players is sub par, as is their effort and energy level in general
There's the coach demanding that the team play uptempo with one of the NBA's worst rosters for uptempo play
Inconsistent rotations and an insistence on pairing guys who obviously don't work well together - Collison and Rondo, Koufos and Cousins, Gay at the 4 etc etc
And so on and so on.
But if I were to try to encapsulate the failure of this season in just two pictures here's what I'd go with:
The defensive scheme just invites mismatches and doesn't leave players in a position to close out on three point shots
The defensive effort of the players is sub par, as is their effort and energy level in general
There's the coach demanding that the team play uptempo with one of the NBA's worst rosters for uptempo play
Inconsistent rotations and an insistence on pairing guys who obviously don't work well together - Collison and Rondo, Koufos and Cousins, Gay at the 4 etc etc
And so on and so on.
But if I were to try to encapsulate the failure of this season in just two pictures here's what I'd go with:
kingjatt
Starter
I sure do think the guys could try harder, but constantly guarding a guy who is bigger than you is very tiring. Not to mention the constant over helping and scrambling back. When you combine that with the fastest pace and running hard (even when we have a dam lead) on offense you get a burned out team. Not to mention Karl managed the rotations like a game 7 last night. Seems like all he wants is to pass Phil Jackson (already has his money guaranteed) and just sit back to watch a game front row every night.
kupman
Starter
I'm with you. I have been, and continue to be concerned about the psychological side of Cuz, but I am increasingly concerned about his physical game. Teams have figured out his post game. He is likely to put the ball on the floor right in front of you and you can often swipe it away. If not, you still get physical with him and in return he gets frustrated with you and/or the officials and loses focus.
The Sixers were clearly under his skin last night. I mean, the freaking Sixers.
He puts up big numbers but 1) he does not shoot anywhere near 50%, 2) turns the ball over way to much, and 3) does very little to make others around him better.
No, Cuz is not the only reason we have been losing. However, he certainly has not been a bright spot lately.
Cue the "it's Karl's fault" song.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
The Sixers were hitting him pretty hard, and repeatedly.
I wish Cousins enjoyed that more, but this odd narrative about last night's game that somehow Cuz spun out of control is just bizarre. He chugged along all game long, with Sixers swarming him and fouling him hard, with teammates flat not showing up, and Cuz chugged along. He had 11pts 4reb in the first half, blocked some shots, he had 10pts 7rebs after half, took some charges. Yet the way people talk about the game you'd think he flipped out or checked out, he did neither. He and Bels were the only two players still functional and making plays for us down the stretch, he just ran out of fouls.
The narrative about this game is about as badly distorted as I've seen around here.
chief bromden
Starter
Rudy Gay padded his stats again with another worthless layup as time expired. Lol, like it matters I know, but it's almost comical that he will try for that but can't make 2 fts when the team needs them the most. Makes me think he tried to miss two!
I don't want to trade cuz, but starting to get the feeling that he may need it the most for his own sake. I don't know, I just hope things get better for this team one day. Either way, I will still chuckle when I see Boogie's thizz face on Saturday.
I don't want to trade cuz, but starting to get the feeling that he may need it the most for his own sake. I don't know, I just hope things get better for this team one day. Either way, I will still chuckle when I see Boogie's thizz face on Saturday.
Blob
Starter
Cousins has been failing us in crunch all month long and last night was no different. He bit on a weak shot fake by Noel at the free throw line and was forced to foul (his 5th). Sorry this is a rookie WCS play. You don't gift points in a crucial point like that. Its lazy and unfocused and probably a function of fatigue. On the next sequence Boogie was caught in no man's land when Ish came off the Pn R and lobbed Noel for a dunk.
I know you want to excuse Boogie on this play and blame the perimeter defender but Boogie needs to smother the driver (block the lob) or drop back and prevent the throw down. He did neither! That's not good defense. That's deer in the headlights and again a function of fatigue.
On the play he fouled out on fatigue again looked to be a factor as he was unable to pin Noel behind him and allowed him to jump the pass. Now this was a careless pass by Rondo but if Cousins is stronger on that play he doesn't foul out. He keeps Noel behind him to make himself available to catch the pass. These are subtle plays to which I am referring but these are crunch time winning and losing plays and a real superstar pays more attention to detail than the one we have.
Notice I am not suggesting "Cuz spun out of control" or that "he flipped out or checked out" just calling out it like it is. And representative of fans frustrations and Boogie's inability to step up and be the guy we need him to be.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
It goes back to the birth of his child and I am not saying those are related. I wonder if the addition of Rondo squeezed out Rudy but that is just a guess. People who track such things would know if Rondo throws assists to Rudy. I doubt if it happens often.
