[Grades] Grades v. Magic 12/6/2014

Kings Where'd That Come From? Performance of the Night

  • Thompson (18pts 9reb 4ast)

    Votes: 23 52.3%
  • Hollins (0reb in 18min)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • McLemore (2pts 2reb on 0-2 shooting + benched late)

    Votes: 1 2.3%
  • Landry (celebrates herodom with 0-5FG 2pts in 19min)

    Votes: 2 4.5%
  • Sessions (10pts 7ast carried us back)

    Votes: 8 18.2%
  • Williams (14pts 6-8FG in one quarter in another out of nowhere game)

    Votes: 10 22.7%

  • Total voters
    44
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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It suddenly occurred to me that maybe all this is an incredibly devious power play by Cuz and his representatives. Because at this point you might as well just rename the franchise the Sacramento DeMarcuses. So point taken big guy, we got it. Just tell us when and how you want your coffee and donut, and we'll send in the French masseuses and quit procrastinating on turning the lockerroom into your personal walk in closet. Our apologies for anything you think we need to apologize for. Now please hurry back.

This is also of course why yesterday's weebly wobbly "victory" in name over a ruined Indy team didn't exactly inspire confidence that the curse was broken. These 5 games haven't been a learning experience. They haven't let the rest of the team grow together, or gain confidence. They've done exactly the opposite. If we lose Cuz again at some point later in the season, our guys are going to go into that next stretch of games suffering from traumatic flashbacks.

On a more positive note, I correctly answered my own question in the "Predict how the back to back games will go" with the Indy win, Orlando loss option, and Baja finally graded somebody who didn't suck (JT) So it all balances out.

But hey, for all of you who are somehow convinced it DOESN'T balance out, well I've decided to decorate this thread with some Pretty Girls because hey, we haven't done that yet this year, and watching this franchise struggle to win without Boogie is downright depressing.

Boxscore

Stats: 34min 16pts (7-14, 0-2, 2-3) 5reb 5ast 2stl 1blk 2TO
Gay ( C+ ) -- Rudy Gay started the game somehow without a spark. It took more than a minute before Rudy even touched the ball. Keeping Tobias Harris is not easy, but Rudy was somehow a step behind. Slow movement in defense, an unwarranted missed 3-pointer from far beyond the line with plenty of clock remaining. A lackluster drive with poor floater attempt. It almost looked like Collison was looking more for JT than Rudy. When Rudy finally got a pass he passed that on to Hollins who took a wild but successful hook. Only a steal and run away dunk 7 minutes into the game Gay on the scorer list. The second FG came from a prayer scoop following a drive almost turned over. Rudy was not in there to win. The 2nd quarter was not different from the previous. Probably a bit more effort, but still Rudy was not in the game. DMC almost fell a sleep watching it. Still not trying to get involved. Some bad passes along with low scoring and assists. Next quarter started better. Nice pass and fast break dunk were encouraging, but the next nice hook came 5 min into the quarter. More bad passes and difficult shot attempts. Finally a super difficult drive, but unfortunately not resulting in a three point play. The 4th quarter started with great hustle from the bench crowd. They brought the game within 4-5 points, when Malone started to bring back the starters. They continued the momentum for a while, but the great block by Gay resulted in Fray’s unfortunate 3-pointer. From here on the difference started to grow again. It seemed like DWill took over Rudy’s job. For someone else this could have been a more or less B level game, but the lack of leadership, especially when lacking DMC, was just too obvious. Therefore, IMHO, C+ for Rudy in this game seemed appropriate. --Kingston

Stats: 32min 18pts (9-12, 0-0, 0-0) 9reb 4ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Thompson ( A ) -- JT was one of the bright spots tonight as he had his best game of the year and posted a season high in points with 18. And he did it very efficiently, hitting nine of twelve shots. He also grabbed nine boards and had four assists against only one turnover on the night. And, except for a couple of mishaps, he was solid to excellent at times on defense. He got off to a good start, setting up on the right block, spinning to his right and kissing it off the glass. His defensive mishaps occurred when Oladipo and Frye started running the pick and roll. McLemore would get caught in the pick, JT would switch, but McLemore for some reason didn't, and instead came back to his man leaving Frye open in the corner. After Frye hit the three, you could see the frustration on JT's face. After the third time this happened, Malone called a time out, apparently straightened out the assignments, and it never happened again. JT did some punishing of his own. He got the ball at the basket surrounded by three Magic players and somehow powered the ball up for a basket. He followed that by hitting an 18 footer along the left baseline. He got his first assist with an entry pass to Hollins at the basket. JT used his entire offensive arsenal tonight. He hit a floater on one occasion. On another he drove to the basket from 18 feet out, and hit a little flip shot. And he threw in a few dunks along the way. Not many negatives to talk about. He did lose focus a couple of times and forgot to box out, costing a couple of rebounds. But all in all, a very good game, including playing some smothering defense on Frye late in the game. Now if we could only get JT to play this way every night.--Baja
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Raquel Alessi -- who we may have had on here before, but that's ok. No official rules on not repeating lovely ladies.

Stats: 18min 5pts (2-3, 0-0, 1-2) 0reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Hollins ( D ) -- unfortunately while the last time out Hollins gave us really steady defensive roleplayer work, this time out turned out to be more a demonstration of his limitations, and just how frightenly ineffective he can be at times. Tried to play help defense to modest effect, but the problem was that the man he was leaving to help, Kyle O'Quinn, is a big body with some skill, and so time and again he was left open and just converted easy easy finishes while Ryan was off floating around after various guards and forwards. The same trait kept Hollins so far from the boards that at 7;0" tall he managed to play 18 minutes and not grab a single board. Not even the of the ball movement was working much this time out, although he did manage to go to a 1 on 1 post move and hit a long range half hook. I have him down as picking up a bad pass turnover trying to hit a circling Ben, but the boxscore doesn't agree. In any case, after a sluggish 3rd by the starters that nearly killed us, Ryan again did not return for the stretch run. And the teeny tiny downgrade from a 23pt 12reb center to a 5pt 0reb center could have just a little something to do with explaining this outcome. --Brick
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Miriam Giovanelli -- Spanish actress

Stats: 24min 2pts (1-3, 0-2, 0-0) 2reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
McLemore ( D- ) -- fairly remarkable game in a way -- I was almost going to rely on some variety of the "not sure Ben ever showed up" joke, but that was the thing, Ben was quite literally the King who got the game off to a good start when he took the opening tip and raced down for a quick athletic finish in the opening seconds. What is remarkable of course is that was IT. He completely and totally disappeared and was never heard from again. he had 2pts 10 seconds in the game. He still had 2pts 24 minutes of action later. Fournier was up on him, and I may have to start paying more attention to him, because I would not have said he was a great defender. But for whatever reason Ben rarely got free, his teammates rarely looked for him, and Ben just quietly drifted back into a haze, never accomplishing much of anything other than scoring either. His defense was solid enough during the first half, but Fournier started clicking after half, and Ben I think just wanted to go home, and so ended up watching none other than Ramon Sessions take his late minutes. At least Ramon had a pulse. --Brick
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Amy Paffrath -- who seems to have a little Rachel McAdams in her and fearlessly has explored every haircolor in the color spectrum.

Stats: 34min 22pts (6-14, 3-6, 7-9) 3reb 4ast 0stl 0blk 2TO
Collison ( B ) -- lost in the euphoria of our first strong/solid start in the better part of a decade is the continuing oddity of asking and expecting a 27yr old PG who has never averaged more than 13.2pts per game in a season to step out on court and be this consistent major weapon. And yet here we were again with DC raggedly leading us in scoring. Unfortunately it was little ore than enough to earn a draw vs. Oladipo, who was occasionally causing DC problems with his athleticism for much of the night. In the early going DC mostly won the matchup against Oladipo and Payton with his saavy, and after returning got the easiest layup of his career as the Magic just parted like the Red Sea as he darted in on the left side. Active in the final minutes of the half once Malone finally let him back on the floor -- apparently we were determined to rest our key personnel on the 2nd night of a back to back, even if that meant letting the bench fall far behind. Darted in front of Oladipo to draw the charge and made a nice dish to JT inside for the dunk as the starters tried to recover from the whole the bench had left them in. Not dominant, but productive and keeping the scoreboard moving. After half it wasn't as settled, and for whatever reason Darren's response to our teamwide struggles appeared to be to flail into the paint wildly and hope the refs bailed him out. Why DC would take a look at Sessions' game and say hey, that looked like a good strategy, I do not know. At a perfect time in the early 4th with us on life support, DC stepped up behind DWill and hit tow huge threes from the left angle, almost exactly the same spot for each. The first one he added a FT on the 4pt play to cut the lead to 9. Two huge daggers to help drive us right back in it, but for the most part the 4th for us was about DWill and Sessions. DC and Rudy were just along for the ride. Padded out the scoring line with a third 3 with the game over in the final seconds, but wasn;t actually doing much else except suddenly playing Damian Lillard for us (despite Jerry's odd conviction that Collison is just right about ready to become a deadly top of the circle facing three point shooter, he's never shown that at any point in his career. Normally he can hit them from the corners, but so far this year, not even that). I actually pondered putting a minus behind this B as it was kind of a scruffy run of the mill 22pt game, but a leading scorer is a leading scorer. --Brick
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Camille Belle
 
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Bench

Stats: 7min 0pts (0-2, 0-1, 0-0) 1reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Stauskas ( DNC ) -- DNC = "Did Not Compete". There gets top be less and less to say about Nik Stauskas with each outing, because we see less and less of Nik Stauskas each outing. In truth, he actually hasn't shown up in a week, and its absolutely 100% embarrassingly from the neck on up. He's scared and helpless and shellshocked, and he might as well be a terrified little fluffy bunny rabbit wearing a ribeye necklace for all the good being scared is doing him with the NBA's wolves. In this one he mustered up just enough courage to attempt a single good penetrating move, but he could not hit the finishing pullup, and that was it. He was spent and spiraling back into his own personal hell. He took one more shot, a tentative jumper that missed so badly he almost airballed it and just...embarrassing. I can't help much, I was never that guy. Man up kid! Jesus. In any case I'm not sure how many more chances he's going to have. He's hurting us and not truly playing basketball at all right now, and without Cousins we have absolutely no margin for that kind of nonsense. He was replaced in the rotation after half first by McCallum, then by Sessions, and the mere fact they actually competed meant they were one better than Nik. There was opportunity here on a night when Ben was back to invisible Ben himself. Instead of Nik seizing it. we got a grand total of 2pts on 1-5 shooting from the last two #7 picks in the draft.--Brick
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Cara Delevingne

Stats: 11min 3pts (0-2, 0-0, 3-4) 4reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Evans ( C ) -- a bit of a victim of circumstance in this one, as he came out with the bench crew and suddenly EVREYBODY was Reggie Evans. Except the real Reggie makes up for being Reggie by scrpaping and hustling and causing teams to foul him and coming up with all the loose balls, The rest of the benchers merely imitated his offensive ineptitude, without bringing the rest of it. The result was an embarrassing first half stint even by our bench's standards as the collective bench shot 1-15 in the first half. 1-15. As in all five of them. Reggie lasted the longest of any of them, playing nearly 11 first half minutes, because he was the one guy really working over the Magic frontline with his boardwork and banging. But he couldn't score either, missed his finishes, and after we fell behind in the third, Malone decided to ditch chunks of his offensively unoffensive bench in the second half, and hence Regie and Stauskas never returned. --Brick
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Alexandria DeBerry -- I liked this one for Reggie's grade. Kind of epitomizes everything he is about -- young, innocent and pretty.

Stats: 19min 2pts (0-5, 0-0, 2-2) 4reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Landry ( D- ) -- Landry was very un-Landry like tonight. I started to wonder if he hadn't gotten enough sleep, or maybe he had taken a double dose of a cold medicine, because he appeared to be sleep walking. 19 minutes, and just two points. And those came at the freethrow line, as he went zero for five from the floor. he did manage four boards, but no assists, and one turnover. Most of his shot attempts came at or near the basket, and most were in a crowd, as he was obviously bothered by the Magic's defense. What bothered me the most was his demeanor on the floor. I just didn't see any hustle, but I saw a lot of frustration. Maybe he caught whatever Cousins has. Unfortunately, he was as bad defensively as he was on offense. It was one of those nights where it looked like he was just a half step behind everyone else. --Baja
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Kelly Gale

Stats: 12min 4pts (1-3, 0-0, 2-3) 3reb 0ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
Casspi ( C ) -- well its hard to fault Omri's effort as usual, his particular brand of borderline out of control was not the right prescription when the bench began its big fail in the second quarter. We needed somebody to step up as a goto guy, and Omri was still playing wild roleplayer guy, and threw up some junk. He did make a nice drive and dish to Landry inside, but passing to Landry this time out was basically a turnover, and nothing came of it. Finally caused Harris to miss a three, by you know, challenging it. And gave us his normal effort on the boards. During his second stint threw a terrible airball pass 3 feet over Sessions head for a turnover to close the third and leave us down 11. and was having sporadic problems staying in front of the Magic guards when he got switched onto them -- all of a sudden he looked too tall and awkward. But he was noticeably more effective on Harris than Rudy as we made our big run to get back in it with him on the floor, and he added a walk in layup to cap our 9-0 run that got the lead back to 7. No huge numbers or impact, but presenting a scrapping roleplayer option to Rudy's smooth goto guy. --Brick
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Christine Teigen

Stats: 23min 10pts (3-11, 0-2, 4-4) 2reb 7ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
Sessions ( B- ) -- since we lost Boogie, Sessions' outings have at least begun to get interesting in their variety. This time out struggled mightily trying to coax a pathetic bench into anything in the first half, although notably was by far and away our best bench scorer at half, since he was the guy who hit the "1" of our 1-15. 6MOY? But it was a mess. Missed a long jumper, then drove inside and got blocked. he finally got a solitary drive to fall, but it was nothing much. And then the second half came around and the world turned upside down. Ramon came in wild again, which was appropriate since Collison was playing that way at that point too. Got another shot blocked, and nearly threw it away again on a bizarre play that eventually ended with him hitting JT for a nice assist at the rim. Made a terrible pass turnover that set the Magic off on a break that McCallum saved with great hustle getting back. but somewhere along the line Ben/Nik/Ray did nothing, scored 2 points between them, and Ramon between wild junk started to bust some nice passes to guys. And when DWill came in with big energy again, it was principally Ramon who was working well with him. End result, of all the guards down the stretch it was Ramon Sessions who got to stay oncourt as a SG alongside Collison. And his wild offensive and passes to Williams, including an out of the blue behind the backer to DWill for the dunk that finally tied things up at the 3min mark, were absolutely critical to us coming off life support to briefly threaten. In the end he was still 3-11, but he chipped in 10 total points, 7 assists, and more importantly, in the second half you could feel his impact. --Brick
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Serinda Swan

Stats: 8min 0pts (0-1, 0-1, 0-0) 1reb 0ast 0stl 1blk 1TO
McCallum ( C- ) -- not sure if Ray realizes it or not, but opportunity has been knocking all season long, and he continues to cover his ears and ignore it. Somebody should tell him you only get so many doors opened before the next one opens to China. Got two separate stints here, first coming in for Nik, not Ramon, in the first half just because Nik was so clearly curled into a fetal position. Then got a second shot at it in the second half. He got one big play making a great hustle save chasing down Payton from behind on the break and saving a hoop while slapping it away off of the Magic so we even got the ball back. But that was it. As in really it. He and Nik are having a competition to see who can produce the emptier statline. The main difference being McCallum is producing nothing, but looks solid, just invisible out there. Nik on the other hand is standing out with his struggles. Still its faintly ridiculous to continue giving out supposedly average grades for empty statlines. Solid or not, you gotta produce. --Brick
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Deiondra Sanders -- so much to say here. First of course what do you do when you are an egomaniacal man and you end up having a daughter so you can't curse your son with your exact name? Why you stick a "dra" on the end of it and give it to your daughter. Thx dad. Anyway, cannot imagine who could date this girl knowing the father they would have to deal with, and wondering how much of his nonsense wore off on her. Went for the basketball angle, because at least at one point she was playing for the Atlanta Peaches of the Bikini Basketball League (yes there is such a thing -- and more than that, if they are in major cities the league must be making enough money to cove travel expenses at least).

Stats: 17min 14pts (6-8, 1-1, 1-1) 1reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Williams ( A- ) -- it was another of those randomly timed Williams explosions this time out, and a mirror image of two games ago when he came in in the late 3rd in a desperate move without having touched the floor and just brought huge energy to the party. Attacking the rim, not with the ball where he is a poor ballhandler/decisinmaker, but without it. This time had had a first half stint for defensive purposes on the stretch 4s, but not a particularly good one as defense isn't his strong suit. But all that was forgotten after he entered the game in the early 4th with us down 16 and dying and immediately started to attack, coming up with an important +1, another slashing dunk, then a jumper, and all of a sudden we were back into the game. It went for naught as we closed the lead and everntually tied it, only to immediately fall apart again and head back the other direction. Hit a desperation three in the final
minute as we were back down 9, but not enough. Like the last time out, just an offensive explosion. Big burst of energy we needed, but not much as a rebounder, passer, defender etc. --Brick
 
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I think Thompson was our best overall player tonight. Rudy is probably 3rd or 4th only because his defense on Harris was poor today.
 
The way last nights game went i knew exactly what this game would be like. Pete has a lot of work to do. Cousins being sick is far from the only problem keeping this team from winning
 
The shot selection between Rudy/Landry/Sessions completely killed us, Nik Stasukas allowed Payton to score 7 points on him in very little time which was shocking as well. Also I thought our own team completely took Ben of the game some of the passes he was getting from Rudy were borderline criminally bad and he just didn't touch the damn ball.

#Derrick Williams has been having insane quarters out of nowhere lately which have been crazy.
#JT was the MVP in back to back games, I don't understand how we can't run a high low with Cousins and Thompson (being high) but yet Thompson can run it with every other less capable big on the squad.
#Collison was very good again
#Sessions finally made a couple nice plays but overall he was still a negative
#Rudy is just not a #1 option and that's fine but getting torched by Harris is not fine, he's been getting torched quiet a bit lately, Ross went off on him a couple games ago as well.
#Nik can't be in the game if we want to win at this point. all his mins should go to Ray or Williams.
 
Was there, enjoyed seeing the game, we tied at 90-90 with maybe 3 minutes but I wasn't optimistic, we hadn't really shut them off and they would score. Without looking at players actual height it seemed to me that their players were often bigger and stronger and very active. And they hit many corner threes. That's a tool we should use, sigh. Thompson played a good game as did Collison. Fun to watch Ray on defense though he didn't stop threes from the corner.
 
Yeeaaahh! Pretty Girls!! (Oh, wait, but that means a loss... :| )

(From Game thread)
This game's loss is not on the players, or the coach. (It might be on bad luck, and a Magic team playing WAY over their heads)

This game's loss is solely on PDA.
This team may have one of the worst bench's in the NBA, and that's saying something. Every single game, there are multiple players on the other team that would fit the bill for what this team needs BADLY. Are we supposed to believe that PDA couldn't get ANY of them over the past year and a half?

Coach Malone has had it, obviously. Did anyone see his conference after the game? He is beside himself and getting more frustrated at the lack of punch PDA has given him with this roster. He "is constantly in Searching Mode, hoping to find someone... ANYONE to provide a spark to make something happen out there."
If you watch that conference, he was talking and referring directly to the roster's shortcomings, and how he can't get blood from a turnip, basically.
From the way Coach is acting and responding, I doubt that PDA is taking responsibility during team meetings for putting this roster together, and doesn't agree with its shortcomings.
 
The shot selection between Rudy/Landry/Sessions completely killed us, Nik Stasukas allowed Payton to score 7 points on him in very little time which was shocking as well. Also I thought our own team completely took Ben of the game some of the passes he was getting from Rudy were borderline criminally bad and he just didn't touch the damn ball.

#Derrick Williams has been having insane quarters out of nowhere lately which have been crazy.
#JT was the MVP in back to back games, I don't understand how we can't run a high low with Cousins and Thompson (being high) but yet Thompson can run it with every other less capable big on the squad.
#Collison was very good again
#Sessions finally made a couple nice plays but overall he was still a negative
#Rudy is just not a #1 option and that's fine but getting torched by Harris is not fine, he's been getting torched quiet a bit lately, Ross went off on him a couple games ago as well.
#Nik can't be in the game if we want to win at this point. all his mins should go to Ray or Williams.
Couple of Harris' makes were with Williams taking a step too far off of him, and Derrick also struggled to defend anyone else he was put on. Ray was in the game, and, I guess, he hustled, because he was beat with screens, couldn't make jumpers or create, so he's not much of an upgrade over Stauskas, though it's not because Nik is close to having a pulse out there.
Casspi struggles, when paint is packed, so his impact went away too. So I don't understand, what people expect, other than what we see offensively. To have a functioning motion offense your players must be a threat to hit open shots. Kings don't have many such players. They move and move, and Casspi gets opened 15 feet from the basket. You want him to shoot? This offense produce open shots, problem is it's a lot of open shots, that people can't make. Vantage had statistics, that Kings are last in the league at eFG% on open shots (don't know exact parameters of this metric), I already posted nba.com stats, that Kings are dead last in both percentage and attempts (shows, that at least they know, they are bad at it) in C&S situations.
Early season success was based on defense, and huge part of that has virus right now. With Boogie everything was just good enough to pass by, but with him not suited up it falls apart. It all comes down to "Kings need more good players"... A couple more Boogies would be swell...:D But for now third guard with handles, ability to make open shots and average defense, plus competent big body with some length would go a long way.
 
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Wait. We lost, at home, to the Magic, without Vucevic?







The school bully has just stolen Christopher Schwarzenegger's lunch money again, and I am Arnold, sitting dejectedly with my head in my hands wondering where this all went wrong.
 
Wait. We lost, at home, to the Magic, without Vucevic?







The school bully has just stolen Christopher Schwarzenegger's lunch money again, and I am Arnold, sitting dejectedly with my head in my hands wondering where this all went wrong.


Dont forget it was also the 2nd night of a back to back for Orlando, as well as the 4th game in 5 nights.

:(
 
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I refuse to discuss this team until Sir Cousins returns.
But I will discuss the Magic. I want Oladipo. Now.
First part of your post reminded me of a player from St.John University by the name of Sir'Dominic Pointer.
Oladipo is Magic's cornerstone, so he's untouchable for a couple of years at least. He also plays on a team, where everybody is a threat to shoot. Tighten defense by a foot here or there and handle starts looking a bit shaky. Put him on current Kings, and he'll become TO machine on his drives. Not looking to start another "Anthony Davis sucks" debate, just pointing out that Oladipo is on a perfect team for his skillset right now. Hard-working second year players are known to improve...:rolleyes:
 
Random questions regarding shooters:

What separates guys like Redick and Korver from Stauskas and Jimmer? Those guys who make their living as shooters moving off the ball always seem to get plenty of space for their shots. On the other hand we've seen Nik and Jimmer never manage to get that kind of separation from their defenders, often even getting their shots blocked when they pull up to shoot it. Is it the overall offensive design, the screens set, their own movement?
 
Random questions regarding shooters:

What separates guys like Redick and Korver from Stauskas and Jimmer? Those guys who make their living as shooters moving off the ball always seem to get plenty of space for their shots. On the other hand we've seen Nik and Jimmer never manage to get that kind of separation from their defenders, often even getting their shots blocked when they pull up to shoot it. Is it the overall offensive design, the screens set, their own movement?

It's their own off-ball movement. Watching Korver is exactly like watching Miller and Ray Allen play offense; they never stop moving and are always looking for a hole in the defense. Korver attracts as much attention on defense as the elite players in the league because of that reason.

They also have designed plays ran for them to get them open looks with back-screens off of cuts, etc. But mainly, it's them never stop moving and always looking to find space in the defenses off their own volition.

Nik right now is doing none of that. He just goes sits in the corner or wing and if he gets the ball and stays put. He (along with Ben) are guys who we should never see stationary on offense.
 
I'm stunned at how bad the bench is. And I'm really disappointed that Ben is suddenly completely invisible out there. 3 shots? What the heck.

This is not a fun team to watch minus boogie. It's painful.

If someone told me JT would go 9-12 for 18 points against the magic at home and the Kings lose I wouldn't believe it. Yet I saw it. The bench is a place of infinite sadness.

I remain more worried about Carl Landry now and going forward than Ramon sessions. After scoring double figures in 5 of the first 7, Carl has broke that barrier twice in the last 11 games. He's the backup center, so he also can't guard anyone he's put on (his 2 minute, 3 foul performance against the raptors must be among his career worst games). Remains a brutal signing. I don't know how they'll even unload him if they wanted to actually get a decent backup BIG, not a SF playing center. 2 more full years of this. He's not going to find his athleticism again. It's gone.

I agree Ramon has had some awful games, and overall, is undeniably a disappointment. But to single him out for the bench struggles isn't entirely accurate. Ramon is rounding into being closer to what was expected. 7 assists last night. I don't mind bashing the guy when he sucks, but at least acknowledge when he doesn't. He's been the best guard off the bench. That's not saying much, but it's true. Nik and Ray aren't NBA players right now. Ray got 8 mins and was completely invisible. Way to make an impact. Ray has 6 assists in 102 minutes this season. That rounds out to a dismal 2.1 assists per 36. And Nik? Deer in the headlights. Major rookie-itis. Throw in a nothing performance from Ben and nothing from casspi and Landry and Evans plus no boogie and you've got major major problems . Dwill was the bench superstar, in the 4th. He was also completely worthless in his first stint. I actually forgot he played in the first half he was so invisible.

Sigh, please get better soon Boogie. He didn't look so great sitting there. Maybe still a week away or more is my entirely unprofessional sky is falling opinion. :)
 
For some reason these last two games all that has stuck in my head is the many many fans wanting stauskas to start over Ben. Nick is a mess
 
Im not sure if Sessions actually performed well or got lucky.. he did the same thing 4 times with Derrick Williams a simple pick and roll on the left side of the floor and the Magic defended it the same time every single time in crunch time.. which was pretty bad. He shot 3-11 most of his assists where to Williams in the 4th and then the others were just swing passes to three pointers (one being the Collison 4 pt play). Atleast we know one play we can run for the bench unit...
 
Random questions regarding shooters:

What separates guys like Redick and Korver from Stauskas and Jimmer?

While I'm sure that a good portion of it is natural born want-to, IYAM, something like eighty-five to ninety percent of it comes down to draft night: system and coaching. There's an alternate universe where Redick gets drafted by the pre-Paul/Griffin Clippers, and is never heard from again, where Kawhi Leonard gets drafted by the Knicks, and becomes Michael Beasley. And while there may not be a universe where Fredette becomes Ray Allen, I feel pretty confident in saying that there's probably one where he gets drafted by Phoenix, and he becomes JJ Redick. It's not like you look at Fredette, and then look at Redick, and think that Fredette just straight lacks the tools to be that good.
 
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Does anyone think this team is good enough to match the w/l record of the last two seasons in the 62 games remaining?
 
I covet three of the Magic's players: Oladipo, Harris, and Payton. I was very impressed with the rookie Payton's poise and passing, and he also played pretty good D.

I don't think it was a fluke Orlando won. I really do think their talent in this game, with the Kings missing Cousins and Orlando missing their center, is superior to the Kings. Harris is superior to Gay in my opinion. Oladipo is superior to Collison. Payton is certainly superior to Stauskas. Orlando showed some fairly major defensive ineptitude, in large part because of their inexperience, but overall, they've got some pieces.

The Kings have got to hang on until not only Cousins returns, but returns to his old form. He's got to be out of shape after over a week of flu. It might take him two or three or four games to really get his mojo back.
 
Does anyone think this team is good enough to match the w/l record of the last two seasons in the 62 games remaining?
I don't understand the question. Are you asking if we think we can still win twenty-eight more games, or if we'll still win twenty-eight games altogether?
 
Just a minor complaint. Can we stop saying boogie has the flu? No one official has said that.

If he did have the flu, he likely wouldn't be around the team.
 
Yeeaaahh! Pretty Girls!! (Oh, wait, but that means a loss... :| )

(From Game thread)
This game's loss is not on the players, or the coach. (It might be on bad luck, and a Magic team playing WAY over their heads)

This game's loss is solely on PDA.
This team may have one of the worst bench's in the NBA, and that's saying something. Every single game, there are multiple players on the other team that would fit the bill for what this team needs BADLY. Are we supposed to believe that PDA couldn't get ANY of them over the past year and a half?

Coach Malone has had it, obviously. Did anyone see his conference after the game? He is beside himself and getting more frustrated at the lack of punch PDA has given him with this roster. He "is constantly in Searching Mode, hoping to find someone... ANYONE to provide a spark to make something happen out there."
If you watch that conference, he was talking and referring directly to the roster's shortcomings, and how he can't get blood from a turnip, basically.
From the way Coach is acting and responding, I doubt that PDA is taking responsibility during team meetings for putting this roster together, and doesn't agree with its shortcomings.

Your observations are the grist of a good soap. The truth is something more boring like Maloneis p***ed. Because we're losing and PDA is relentlessly trying to make a deal that helps the team. Tomorrow we play Utah.
 
1: Our young SG is finally starting to play some really good ball. Making shots and getting to the rim at times. Our offense completely ignores him lately :confused:

2: Our team for the most part does NOTHING off the ball. Watch the Spurs, watch the Clippers with Redick, watch old tape or Ray Allen running off screens to catch the ball wide open. Out team does none of that! Guys like Ben and Nik just stand in the corner for the most part, sometimes moving up to the wing area. that's it. Come on Malone. How about working on screens? Both on AND off the ball
 
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