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Fora Dragi
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I think you could tie it to Euclid or Diophantus or Sir Ronald Fisher
[Grades] Grades v. Magic 11/3/2016
- Thread starter Bricklayer
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Nope, the time to do this was in the off-season. Trade Boogie for a top pick+young players. Draft Chriss at 8. Head into the year with a young core that WE had control over rather than take what you can get now.
This was my worry from when we had an idea of what the rotation would be. Joerger is a great coach, but keeping the status quo with a bunch of over-the-hill vets was never a great solution to start building a winning product here. Grit only gets you so far.
TaxMan
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Yep. This would be the year to do it if things look like crap at the trade deadline. However if we can learn to play with defensive intensity every night I think people will generally be happy. I think most would consider .500 a successful season....that's still 41 losses so we have 37 left
Also, what the hell is up with WCS? A slight concern about his play is quickly growing into a massive problem. Even when he was making mistakes last year, he was doing it in a positive way by flying all over the floor using his athleticism to make plays. Just hasn't been there this year.
BeerNerd916
Bench
Tell that crap to Cubs fans.
TaxMan
Starter
Touche
Chupacabra
Starter
Larry Sanders Syndrome?
In terms of the whole team, where did the intesity that we started the season with go? I want a meteoric rise to the top of the league. I want us to zap our opponents with a space lazer before they take their warm-ups off. I dont want us to lose to miami and orlando in non-back-to-back fashion. I say trade em. Trade absolutely everyone except for Labisierre and keep Joerger.
Seems like the Kings weren't set on trying to go all-in with Cousins.
Spending a combined $16million on Temple/Tolliver helps Cousins how? Drafting Papagiannis, Richardson, Skal helps Cousins how?
No clear direction at all by Vlade. We needed to get Cousins help on offense. We didn't do that. Really felt like the Kings should've gone after someone like Jeremy Lin.
gil renard
Bench
He doesn't look like an NBA player. No motor, not showing he's learning anything. Everybody drafted after him in the 2015 lottery is better, and he's the oldest one of them, smh. Terrible draft pick as was Papagiannibust.
That's the thing that scares me about trading Cuz for draft picks...I don't trust these clowns not to draft more busts every year for the next decade.
ockingsfan
Starter
Time to start Ben McClemore?
gil renard
Bench
Lol, I didn't want to say it, but WCS seems like a massive pothead.
No. His scoring fits the bench role. Aflalo is solid. Joeger tried Ben in crunch time tonight and it backfired. Still needs to grow more.
c-webb1s#1
Starter
It certainly doesn't help that we've played the most games so far out of all team. A back to back to start the season then a 5 game east coast road trip lol so ridiculous
RussoTuristo
G-League
WCS is the biggest disappointment for me so far. He is completely lost and does not have crucial big man skills. He talked a lot about his work ethics and so on and it does not look like he really cares. Only talk a-la Donte Green. He has unique gifts just like Kirilenko - long, athletic, fast, can guard 4 positions but apparently no bball IQ.
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king07
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John Galt
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Nik????
Hoovtrain
All-Star
lol I actually had no idea you posted this before I posted mine
Sac.Kings
All-Star
This is why I always go into the season with the worst possible predictions/expectations. As much as it pains me to do so, it pains me a lot less now because I expected losses like this. We have been doing it for 10 years now, why would it change this season?
Cousins is a hell of a player, but maybe for the sake of the franchise we should literally send everyone outta here and start over completely, and yes including Cousins. I know this would set us back yet again, but I just don't see the hope for us to improve significantly as currently constructed. I was excited at the start of the season with our defensive game plan and effort on both sides of the court (the sum is greater than the parts type of thing), but we just keep reverting back to our proven way of losing --- lack of effort/caring. There is no excuse for lack of effort. I said it in seasons past and I'll say it again. I will not waste my time watching a team that doesn't give effort on a nightly basis. I literally could not ask for less. It really should not be as big a problem as it is. Just try.
I don't know what the hell it is, but we just can't the stink of losing out. It's just there, no matter who the coach or GM is or who is surrounding Cousins. We always find a way to screw it up. I am tired of losing the same way for 10 years. I just want a positive change. Why do we always have to go back to the old way?
Cousins is a hell of a player, but maybe for the sake of the franchise we should literally send everyone outta here and start over completely, and yes including Cousins. I know this would set us back yet again, but I just don't see the hope for us to improve significantly as currently constructed. I was excited at the start of the season with our defensive game plan and effort on both sides of the court (the sum is greater than the parts type of thing), but we just keep reverting back to our proven way of losing --- lack of effort/caring. There is no excuse for lack of effort. I said it in seasons past and I'll say it again. I will not waste my time watching a team that doesn't give effort on a nightly basis. I literally could not ask for less. It really should not be as big a problem as it is. Just try.
I don't know what the hell it is, but we just can't the stink of losing out. It's just there, no matter who the coach or GM is or who is surrounding Cousins. We always find a way to screw it up. I am tired of losing the same way for 10 years. I just want a positive change. Why do we always have to go back to the old way?
Boogie_Fever
G-League
I was just thinking that myself. I love Boogie Cousins. This organization has failed him and failed in providing him an adequate supporting staff. Now that there's a bit of stability in the organization, it may be too late to take advantage of Boogie's prime and get him enough help in time. Trade him and Gay away and get a ransom's haul from them (picks and young players). Draft well and hope for some luck. Boogie deserves better, us Kings fans deserve better and basketball fans NEED to see Boogie Cousins in the playoffs.
KingsFanSince85
All-Star
What a disappointing start.The moment you even have a flicker of hope that things will be better, the team regresses. The defensive effort is certainly better, but there just isn't enough talent. Nobody can score except for Boogie and Rudy and sometimes Ben McLemore. The team still doesn't have a consistent 3 pt threat for the Boogie/Rudy duo to throw the ball out to off double teams. Getting Collison back should help, but this team needs even more help than that.
As for WCS, I'm just as perplexed as everyone else. Scoring and rebounding aside, he at least showed promise as an athletic defender last season. He also got up and down the floor quite well. We've seen none of that this season. Something is up with the guy. His confidence and motor looks worse than Ben McLemore's ever has --- but at least Ben is showing signs of improvement.
As for WCS, I'm just as perplexed as everyone else. Scoring and rebounding aside, he at least showed promise as an athletic defender last season. He also got up and down the floor quite well. We've seen none of that this season. Something is up with the guy. His confidence and motor looks worse than Ben McLemore's ever has --- but at least Ben is showing signs of improvement.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
And to think I was arguing prior to the WCS draft that he wasn't going to average more than one rebound every four minutes!
How wrong I was ! I think we might have to wait a loooooooong time before we see an average of one rebound every three minutes!
Seriously, he looks like a scrub this year, whereas last year you could at least hope or dream that one day when lollipops drop out of the sky he could be good. Two speculations come to mind. Could the slower pace of the game affect his production? Also, I wonder how about his health. Is he really 100%?
How wrong I was ! I think we might have to wait a loooooooong time before we see an average of one rebound every three minutes!Seriously, he looks like a scrub this year, whereas last year you could at least hope or dream that one day when lollipops drop out of the sky he could be good. Two speculations come to mind. Could the slower pace of the game affect his production? Also, I wonder how about his health. Is he really 100%?
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king07
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great minds....
lmao. I said this was a strong possibility before the draft and got crap from basically everyone for it. I'm not going to overreact and call him a bust yet (new coach, new system, new rotation... He's basically starting over again with his NBA development which is a big reason why we can't develop anyone since Adelman was let go) but I'll never understand why so many Kings fans were gung-ho about drafting him to the point of absurdity (ie he's guaranteed to win multiple DPOY awards).
All I can figure is that the vast majority of Kings fans either didn't watch him play in college or they're suffering from the same false delusion that defense is about 90% footspeed and effort. Actually, considering the comments directed at Rondo last year, that sounds about right. From what I've seen, the mental aspect of defense is what really counts at this level. You need physical tools and max effort to push you into elite status but the foundation of being a good defender is made up of anticipation, court awareness, and knowing your opponents tendencies. If you don't have that all the effort in the world amounts to running 100mph in the wrong direction.
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Kingsfan23
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Next game is a must win for me. It's already a crap start to the season and road trip but you have to assume the loss in Toronto. Can't go 2-6
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
But is it though? I mean, a little disappointing, but we're one shaky call in Miami from starting off 3-3. That's with a new team, new coach, missing a key piece, and with a 5 game roadtrip and three sets of back to backs in our first 8 games.
Tonight was obviously not good, something I am sure Joerger has explained at this point. People are acting like its all a disaster, but this is a new team and we're now 6-6 of being in games in the 4th quarter.
twslam07
All-Star
I am by no means hitting the panic button. We had/have a very rough schedule to start the season (maybe not so much the teams we play but more the traveling & frequency of games), and there hasn't been one game yet that we have not had an opportunity to win. We need to just keep scrapping, build chemistry, make the system second nature, and look forward to adding another efficient scorer to our rotation (Collison).
It takes a little bit of time for new coaches & new players to come together and play to their potential. May I remind everyone that the 2010-11 Miami Heat (the season after they acquired LeBron & Bosh) started their 58-24 season 9-8? Even a team with 3 stars (one who is one of the greatest to ever play, another who will be a HOF, and another who may be a borderline HOF). People should have a little more patience. Rome wasn't built in a day...
It takes a little bit of time for new coaches & new players to come together and play to their potential. May I remind everyone that the 2010-11 Miami Heat (the season after they acquired LeBron & Bosh) started their 58-24 season 9-8? Even a team with 3 stars (one who is one of the greatest to ever play, another who will be a HOF, and another who may be a borderline HOF). People should have a little more patience. Rome wasn't built in a day...
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IfAt1st
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So Brick -
at what point would you find it prudent to be worried about the team's regression and lack of winning?
Given your scrutiny of the schedule, what benchmarks do you have for this season that the Kings should/need to satisfy for you to stay so confident of their ability to make the playoffs?
Or is your goal a .500 record?
2 and 6, with horrible chemistry and no reliable 5-man squad and a deteriorating defense and anemic offense would normally be worrisome -
how late do you think the Kings can go before worrying about them a lot?
After a decade straight of losing, you start to become pretty good at picking out losers. They're already giving up. You can see it on the court. Hopefully I'm wrong and they'll turn it around and someone will copy and paste this into their signature and make fun of me for the rest of the season.
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KingMilz
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The sad thing is the west so far looks really awful after the top 4/5 teams I think there could be a number of teams that could make the playoffs below 500. but if that is going to be the case I rather just blow it up.
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