[Grades] Grades v. Magic 1/8/12

What hurt us most in this one?

  • Cousins 4th/5th foul

    Votes: 17 26.2%
  • Reke's ankle injury

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Thornton's thigh injury

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • lack of pop off the bench

    Votes: 6 9.2%
  • too many empty Salmons minutes

    Votes: 8 12.3%
  • lousy 3pt shooting

    Votes: 16 24.6%
  • that damn lucky banked in Hedo 3

    Votes: 11 16.9%
  • that stupid nonrebounding smallball lineup we suddenly went to in the mid 4th

    Votes: 7 10.8%

  • Total voters
    65

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Okay this one was a bit frustrating because we could have had this. We competed well. We hung around. But we just made too many mistakes and had too many bad breaks. But it wasn't a discouraging loss. Just a young loss.

As an aside, Reke is averaging 27.0pts 6.5rebs and 6.5ast on 53% shooting in the 2 games since Smart took over. If he wants to continue doing that, we'll be just fine in the end.

Since the loss tonight was due in no small part to a Big Baby having by far his best game of the season, I figured I would go with Ugly Renaissance Babies as a theme. Anybody who has ever had an art history class knows that medieval painters had some rather major issues with painting babies, amongst other things. Sometimes they were comic. Note: medieval baby art may include badly painted nudity, so if you're too prude for The Lourve, you may avert your eyes.

Boxscore

Salmons ( C- ) -- missing his shots early as father time creully twisted the fork in his back, and for 3/4 of the game was a nonentity with nobody to stop on the defensive end, and unable to hit even open looks on offense as he led the parade on a 3-20 shooting night from 3pt land. But as it was the first game under Smart, there appeared to be a concerted effort to get him involved in the late game, and maybe that's a plan of some sort by Smart. Came up with a nice drive along the baselineand dish to Thompson on a called play out of a timeout at the end of the 3rd. Forced a 1 on team drive that he got smushed back in his face to start the 4th. Again that had to be something called during the intermission, but it was terrible. Finally got a drive to go with less than 5 min to go but it was his only contribution late. He wasn't disruptively awful and did not force up much selfish junk, but when you have one of the premiere post big men and premiere driving guards it would be nice if the other guys could knock down shots.
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This was apparently the deformed alien version of the Madonna/Christ painting.

Hickson ( B+ ) -- gave us a good game this time out. Active from the beginning and got to the line a lot early, with the thrid time being on a spectacular up and under flip attempt. Very efficient on a night when we agian had the offense organizaed aroudn the stars, and the roleplayers took mostly high percentage shots on the way to a 52.1% shooting night for the team. In some ways does not feel liek a major rebounder -- not physical -- but came up with double figures again for us. Finish through contact to start the thrid, and made a great defensive play on the break to save a 3 on 1 in the third. Unfortunately his achilles this night was turnovers, including a terrible outlet pass attempt to Reke on what should have been our final possession of the 3rd, and a particularly egregious one with a terrible off balance drive and wild pass to start a Magic breakout in crunchtime.
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This creepy little dude apparently works out.

Cousins ( B ) -- now this is a hard one to get a handle on gradewise, but suffice it to say we have seen both this year and last that DeMarcus isn't the least bit intimidated by Dwight Howard and is perfectly capable of giving him all he wants...for those 20 minutes a night he gets between boneheaded fouls. Of course the foul problems tonight were even worse for Dwight, who for some reason got into early pushing matches with Cousins as the kid went right at him, leading to a bunch of whistles and Dwight having one of his worse overall games in years. And after Dwight was gone, after an appropriate interlude while our young gunners threw up three pointers at the rim apparently unaware of the huge advantage we had down inside, Cousins really went to work on the rest of the Magic frontline, contiuing to draw fouls, dominating the offensive glass, adding a steal and a block. Used his length to block Big Baby while staying away from the body and triggering a break (Cousins stil does not have the length or explosiveness to block shtos as a defensive anchor, but he is showing a real knack for blocking his own men/people right around the paint by just reaching over and getting a few fingers on the ball. Of course it was too good to last, as wehn the fouls started coming, they came in his typical big waves. Made a mistake and got his third foul just before half and tapped himself on the head to say he knew he screwed up. Drew the 4th foul on Howard on a touchy call and did some more good work with some beautiful spin moves in the post. But picked up his 5th foul on a dumb play trying to take a charge on Big Baby just seconds after getting a bad call for his 4th (and I rellay really wish he would quit trying to take charges -- he has a knack, but he's also the most foul prone player int he NBA and simply can't afford the extra fouls you pick up doing that). With 5 fouls came back in the game in the last 5 minues to battle Howard and promptly one on one blocked Dwight's shot. In fact if you had nothing but this game to go on, you would have said it was Howard who was intimidated by DeMarcus, not the other way around. So all in all it was nother prolidic, sloppy, brillaint and error prone half game out of Demarcus. If he could just stay on the court for 35min a night he might average 25-15. Still, I gotta mark this down somehow for once again fouling himself out of our lineup, and likely costing us the game in the process.
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Of course the ugly little dude above ain't got nothin' on Baby Adonis here. This is probably how Dwight looked at birth. Shoot the moon dude!

Thornton ( D+ ) -- for the second Smart coached game in a row got off to the absolutely terrible start and literally missed everything in the first half, finishing with a big ole zero points. With Dwight out early, responded with a quick missed three rather than feeding Cousins inside or attacking to expose the lack of a shotblocker. Just ineffective and chucking off the dribble after awhile. Even when he occasionally did make a hustle play to get close to the hoop it wouldn't fall. Finally hit a jumper in the early third off a nice easy assiat from Reke. Catch and shoot on a called play -- what a concept! Finally finally got on a run in the 3rd and exploded for 2 threes and a fastbreak hoop, which is why you keep playing a guy as explosive as Thornton even when he's struggling -- you never know when he will give you a burst. Who knows how long it would have continued on, or what the outcome in the game would have been, because a few minutes later he joined Reke in the ranks of the walking wounded after he took a hip to the thigh from from Howard (meaning for the 4th both our start guards were hobbled and our star center had 5 fouls -- heck of a way to try to win a game). Was perhaps effected by his injury than Reke was, as he never did anything much afterward. Did get set up for and hit a single three in the final minutes before fouling out. Just a rough night.
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Meet baby Nicholas Cage and his receding hairline.
 
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Evans ( A- ) -- it was the DeMarcus show early, with Reke laying back mixing in some nice steady drives, jumpers, and passes with a few mistakes on turnovers and forces. Really got his running layups going in the second, and splashed in several midrange jumpers as well as he began to dominate play. Then near disaster struck again, as in the last minute of the half he went hard to the hoop for his 15th point and then came down...and rolled his ankle again. That's shake your fist at the sky stuff. But despite having to be helped off the court, he came back out after half, and whiel he was still limping slightly to begin, he played a heck of a second half to go wiht his heck of a first half. You could maybe see a little reluctance to attack with that ankle in the third, and so he concentrated on setting guys up instead and found them all over the court for 5 3rd quarter assists. You could see him pick up steam and confidence as the quarter wore on though, and he was back on the attack as things headed down the stretch. Resulted in some forced shots late in the game as wtih Thornton cold and then hobbled, and Cousins pinned ot the bench with 5 fouls, Reke clearly felt he had to be the guy. Kept us hanging around though, at one point tying the game with a pair of FTs, at another missing a three pointer but racing back fullcourt for the spectacular saving block on the break. The explosion to the rim was back, and he was using the drive to set up jumpshooters again. But got himself the minus here despite the huge game with some fugly play in the last minute, when he tried to force low percentage shots and passes, and neither worked. Still, it was just a wart on an otherwise major star level performance.
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Aww..isn't the wittle baby so cute?

Bench

Thompson ( B- ) -- when he came in for DeMarcus we lost our moemntum and he did little in his first half minutes. But came on in the third as Cousins went back to the bench, and gave us 5-6 minutes of nice roleplayer contributions moving without the ball and scoring inside on cuts and follows. Began to wear out and lose effectiveness in the 4th as Dwight returned and you could just see how much stronger Cousins is than Thompson. Cousins is able to stand in there again Dwight and body him without much apprent trouble. JT was in there fully braced, leaning into him as hard as he could and bouncing off him like a kid. Nonetheless his 3rd quarter burst was about the only thing we got out of our bench all game.
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Unfortunately this loving mother appears to have broken her baby's neck.

Fredette ( D+ ) -- mysteriously terrible pass to noone soon after entering, but after he settled I thought he had a few minutes of better play than his numbers showed. Was smartly setting people up with dribbles to create angles, and added his only points of the contest on a high high kiss of the top of the glass. Unfortunately was still having defensive adventures, and was an offensive nonfactor. Was in for part of the 4th, until he decided to randomly launch a 30ft three attempt midway through the qaurter with us in a dogfight. Smart did not appear amused and immediately replaced him with Thomas. I'm still on the get him off the ball and have him spot up as a shooter until he regains his stroke bandwagon.
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Luckily this painter engaged in a detailed study of human and especially baby anatomy before creating his pinheaded masterpiece.

Outlaw ( B- ) -- and now we get to the class of players that can best be titles "searching" in this one. As in Smart has a definitive focus on our own Big Three, and he got solid roleplaying support from the PFs, and less than solid support from his main shooting support (Salmons and Fredette), so he periodically went searching thoruhg the remainder of the roster looking for help. And OUtlaw is a bit of amystery, because I thoguht he did help in his first quarter minutes. Then he was never seen again despite Salmons' struggles. You have to hope its not because Smart too considers this outside shooting stringbean to be a power forward. In any case, missed his long bombs like everybody else, but used his athleticism to attack the hoop in the second quarter and probably gave us our best SF minutes of the night.
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This little braniac was destined to figure out that whole turning iron into gold thing.
 
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Garcia ( C- ) -- there is an opening at backup SF/occasioinal SG and this team could use the steady roleplayer help off the bench, but Cisco is just steadfastly refusing to seize those minutes. This time Smart went searching for him int he first half, but all he did was miss a three and throw a bad pass before disappearing back to the bench never to be called upon again.
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Grumpy Old Baby

Greene ( C- ) -- and here's another guy who could carve some minutes for himself with a new coach and just hasn't yet. In in the second, got mysteriously fouled trying to run a fastbreak (as in why would they foul him, the grab was intentional). Then missed a 3ptr. Back in late in the 4th as we were looking for spark, but unfortunately it was in another Smart smallball experiment/disaster at PF. Just a little 3 minute stretch late in the game that may have sunk us as Smart channeled his inner Nelie (note to Smart, Nellie never won a damn thing) and we got absolutely destroyed on the boards. Had to watch Hedo hit a three bank shot unintentionally when Donte had him well D'd out there. May have been the back breaking play in this one.
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This one is merely midle aged.

Thomas ( INC ) -- in for the final minute of the half after Reke rolled his ankle. Back in in the late 4th as we went looking for spark. Did nothing particularly wrong except be the smallest guy on a tiny crew, but did nothing interesting either. As I said above Smart has clearly focused things on our best players, which likely means fewer opportunities for Thomas to embrace his inner reckless gunner. Although if Jimmer doesn't pick it up, who knows he might get back into the rotation.
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The one above is hilarious, but a bit obscene so I thought I would post the link rather than the image. Its what Uncle Harry the alcoholic looked like as a baby.
 
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Every Starter did their jobs and played well. We just didn't have that spark off the bench to help us win this game.
 
Every Starter did their jobs and played well. We just didn't have that spark off the bench to help us win this game.

Thornton didn't have a very good game, but the other starters played well. JT off the bench was actually playing really well, but everyone else was crap.
 
I'm encouraged by this game. Orlando is a good team. Alot of things didn't go right for us. We didn't get much from Thornton and Salmons. Cousins was in foul trouble. And Tyreke got slowed by the foot injury. They played a competitive game against a quality team. Jimmer doesn't really look ready, hopefully some more games and practice will help him regain his shooting stroke.
 
Weird to say it, and I am not blaming him for the loss, but truly had Marcus had a normal shooting night we would have won this one. Think we really were hurt by the loss of Chuck this game as well. Big Baby I don't think is quite so effective with Chuck's body on him, though Hickson was great and I have become more and more pleasantly surprised by JT's effectiveness this year. Little Westpheja-vu to see zero dnp-cd in the box score though. lol
 
It appears the zombiekings are dead. They have awoken.

Should have had 10+ point lead in the first half with Howard out. Howard had zero points and boards through 3 quarters. Finished with 4pts and 5 brds

16 assists is a start. Maybe soon we shall have more assists then turnovers. We had 18.
 
It was amazing to me how many good looks Orlando got even when Dwight went out. I mean it's not like they have another star to help get these role players open looks, they just got em anyways.
 
It's a step in the right direction. After forcing Howard out of the game the Kings never really capitalized. Still some stagnant ball movement but it's improving. Learning and building experience is what i'll chalk this up to.
 
It's a step in the right direction. After forcing Howard out of the game the Kings never really capitalized. Still some stagnant ball movement but it's improving. Learning and building experience is what i'll chalk this up to.

This. Plus if MT and Jimmer at least had decent games, we'd have won
 
Team definitely going in the right direction. Love what Coach Smart is saying. Wants to get this offense running. Get away from the stagnant half court offense. Smart says its not coming natural yet but if tonights game was any indication watching the Kings is going to be fun again. Then hearing he went out to dinner w/ Cousins last night to enhance Cousin's impact w/ the team was absolutely what i would call having good instincts for how to get the best out of his players...
 
These are the types of losses you can take with a young team. I feel the strong play that came at the end of last year coming much sooner this time around.
 
Surprised I'm the first to check the last option.

The lineup and rotations in the 4th killed us. Absolutely took us out of the game. I commented around the 10 min mark that neither Reke or Thorton had sat in the 2nd half, and was wondering if they'd get a rest. Well, Smart decided to sit Thorton at the 8-9 min mark, and go extra small out there, until about the 3 min mark.

In that stretch we gave up a number of off rebs and 2nd chance points, simply because we had a lineup of non rebounding midgets out there. We also had both Cousins and Thorton on the bench for that stretch. Yes, Cousins was in foul trouble, but you decide either to ride Thornton all the way through, especially on a night Jimmer didn't do much, or you rest him earlier, and get him back in for the stretch run around the 7 min mark.

But we CANNOT have both Thorton and Cousins on the bench for the majority of the 4th, and go to a small lineup on top of it. Yes Hickson played well on offense, but there is no way he can be the anchor of our defense out there. Dudes just soft.

Still, it's early, a lot of positives to take from tonight, and Smart has this team heading in the right direction.
 
whoa whoa whoa! careful what you say here... theres a lot of people here that will start calling you a moron for pointing out the obvious

No, to be precise, you're the moron for continuing to think this is clever or cute or amusing or whatever rationale you use for the longest streak of passive/aggressive trolling in the history of KingsFans.

Most unfortunately, you've actually become no more than a caricature of yourself at this point. And ironically, I've become fodder for the "moron" tag, since I've now also pointed out the obvious.
 
No, to be precise, you're the moron for continuing to think this is clever or cute or amusing or whatever rationale you use for the longest streak of passive/aggressive trolling in the history of KingsFans.

Most unfortunately, you've actually become no more than a caricature of yourself at this point. And ironically, I've become fodder for the "moron" tag, since I've now also pointed out the obvious.
Wish there was a "like" button on this forum for posts just like facebook :p
 
No, to be precise, you're the moron for continuing to think this is clever or cute or amusing or whatever rationale you use for the longest streak of passive/aggressive trolling in the history of KingsFans.

Most unfortunately, you've actually become no more than a caricature of yourself at this point. And ironically, I've become fodder for the "moron" tag, since I've now also pointed out the obvious.

I don't mind Sactownfan much. He's a little extreme in his opinion but he's just speaking his mind. While I'm not ready to give up on Jimmer, I've been disappointed with his shooting. I hope it comes back or else you have a guy that's a major defensive AND offensive liability. Training camp would have helped Jimmer out a lot. That and not making him play point guard. Jimmer should just be there as a backup two-guard who's job is to shoot the lights out and keep teams honest on Tyreke and Demarcus. They shouldn't make him run the offense as the PG.
 
I'd knock Reke down a half grade for still not using his left hand, at all. It was highlighted on that last drive of his. Blew by his man baseline, squeezed through the help defense,and instead of putting up a simple left handed layup, he turned his body and flipped up a right handed over the shoulder shot, which of course wasn't close.

Dude has got to get a left hand. Still hasn't used it once this season, and he's had plenty of opportunities. Yes he makes it with the right frequently, sometimes spectacularly, but even then it isn't always the best shot or the shot with the highest % of going in. Still had a great game. Is playing his best ball in a year it looks. But quit forcing it up with your right every damn time.
 
jimmer did alright watched the game aside from that silly turnover he did decent. had some nice solid passes and knows how to drive it in.. 13 mins is a little short to give him a deserving grade...Thornton stunk up the first half got back to life back in the half... too bad for that hedo bank shot we need him instead of salmons for what its worth

DMC was a beast however he should learn when to take charges he is doing an awesome job of drawing them but he needs to be careful and not fall in love with it.. a charge can be called for a block too and he better be careful with going for rebounds.

was enjoyable to see this game though, team really is responding to smart, I take back what Is said bout reke being the problem... he's been wonderful two games hope it continues and he becomes dominant.. his defense is impressive
 
I'd knock Reke down a half grade for still not using his left hand, at all. It was highlighted on that last drive of his. Blew by his man baseline, squeezed through the help defense,and instead of putting up a simple left handed layup, he turned his body and flipped up a right handed over the shoulder shot, which of course wasn't close.

Dude has got to get a left hand. Still hasn't used it once this season, and he's had plenty of opportunities. Yes he makes it with the right frequently, sometimes spectacularly, but even then it isn't always the best shot or the shot with the highest % of going in. Still had a great game. Is playing his best ball in a year it looks. But quit forcing it up with your right every damn time.

I dunno, I don't think that's enough to knock him down half a grade considering the fact that he played a half on one leg.
 
I dunno, I don't think that's enough to knock him down half a grade considering the fact that he played a half on one leg.

It's more of me making the point Reke refuses to use, or simply hasn't developed his left hand, to the point he'd rather put up a much tougher shot with his right. Doesn't ever pass with his left either. Makes the game tougher. Just a pet peeve of mine with him, and one I keep an eye on.

I really don't care about the grade. He played great tonight.
 
Are you people serious with the Jimmer not being a PG thing still? He made like 5 nice passes in his super limited minutes. He played well aside from his shot. Again last thing i'm worried about is Jimmer's shot, it will come. Every elite shooter in nba history has struggled shooting the ball through a 9 game stretch. His passing has looked really good, hes already the best passer on the team (not that it says much).
 
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A week ago, I grimaced when I noticed that this would be my last game on the free NBA preview. I figured Howard would go 40/20. After 4 quarters, I believed that we should have won and I grimaced at the fact that we gave it away. What a difference a week makes. Cousins seemed to have no problems with Howard, and the team looks much improved.
 
Just watched the game on my DVR. Its pretty apparent that we would have won if we had someone who was capable of hitting 3's at the small forward position. There are a crap ton of 3pt specialist SF's floating around the league and we need to grab one.
 
No, to be precise, you're the moron for continuing to think this is clever or cute or amusing or whatever rationale you use for the longest streak of passive/aggressive trolling in the history of KingsFans.

Most unfortunately, you've actually become no more than a caricature of yourself at this point. And ironically, I've become fodder for the "moron" tag, since I've now also pointed out the obvious.
Please stop attacking the person and calling Kings fans trolls.
He is absolutely right, when he points out that if anyone is critical of a Kings player, he is attacked.

I would expect better from the moderators of KF's than to contribute to the shouting down of critical opinions on here.
 
Please stop attacking the person and calling Kings fans trolls.
He is absolutely right, when he points out that if anyone is critical of a Kings player, he is attacked.

I would expect better from the moderators of KF's than to contribute to the shouting down of critical opinions on here.

Really? Find me one post where a guy calls Jimmer not ready or that he's making rookie errors, has a lot to learn, and actually posts with some sense and then gets shot down unfairly for it.

And tell me whether the following post is trolling or not.

He looks like a middle schooler playing against adults. Even his best has been woeful. Im not gonna get excited about anything he's done. He's been completely unimpressive he makes Quincy douby look good. Beno looks like a shut down defender compared to him. Jimmer looks lost every single second.

I really hope he's not this awful and can improve but other than outlaw he's the worst player on our team... its also obvious he lacks any natural PG abilitys, and will be a serious serious project as a pg... maybe he can be like eddie house? Or jj redick? He looks that bad.

If posters here are properly critical of players, show respect and sense in their posts and criticize objectively they will be in turn treated with respect. If you're just going to throw **** out like "He's been completely unimpressive he makes Quincy douby look good." and hasn't shown anything "special" then don't expect people to consider your opinion carefully.

Or are we supposed to just agree with people's criticisms that Tyreke is lazy and fat?