Grades v. Magic 01/12/10

We face the Howard Express again in two weeks -- who would you try on him?

  • Jason Thompson

    Votes: 1 1.0%
  • Spencer Hawes

    Votes: 5 5.1%
  • John Brockman

    Votes: 14 14.1%
  • Sean May

    Votes: 4 4.0%
  • Kenny Thomas

    Votes: 2 2.0%
  • Hilton Armstrong

    Votes: 10 10.1%
  • Donte Greene

    Votes: 1 1.0%
  • Kayte Christensen

    Votes: 39 39.4%
  • The stud big that Geoff [i]is[/i] going to trade for before then.

    Votes: 23 23.2%

  • Total voters
    99
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Bricklayer

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Okay, time to do these. The 4th quarter collpase was depressing enough that I had a hard time motivating, and I thought to myself, so self, what DO we do around here to bring the sparkle back to life when we get blown out in depressing fashion? And self came up with an answer:

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Casspi ( B- ) -- missed his shots in the early going, but was on the d-boards. Scored on the exact same move Tyrkee used to win the game the other night, except the other side of the lane, in the 2nd. Followed that with the jumper. Hit a three to start the third off a nice 3 pass sequence around the perimeter -- well coached. Sticking his nose in on defense eventually had a cost when he took an elbow to the face from Dwight. By far our best defensive rebounder on the night, and with our big men in full flight in the face of Superman, it was largely left to OMri to dive back in and keep some sense of order in there. Blew a number of open threes set up by Reke on another crappy shooting night -- 1-6 from downtown -- so turned the tables around and set up Reke for one, which Reke drained. Maybe we have just had it backward. And on the night Omri led the team with 5 assists, if only because the guys he was passing to were actually hittng their shots. The offense which had been shaky all night finally compeltely collapsed in the 4th, and had to wait until finally getting a tip in garabgetime to get him into double figures.

Erica Leerhsen -- making a career out of playing victim #2 in a long list of Grade B horror films, if I hadn't tagged Ms. Leerhsen here, you probably would not know who she was.

Greene ( C- ) -- got the start as Westpahl continues to experiment on a nightly basis with new lineups (a tactic I am developing quibbles with), and was Rashard's designated defender. And while I am not sure Rashard deserves a designated defender at this point in his career, looking strictly at the numbers I suppose you'd have to call it a success -- Lewis scored 7pts ont he night and was not remotely a factor. Unfortunately that does not mean Donte had a good game. Had a corner three to start, and then a great help block to save a hoop, but then picked up a couple of quick reach in fouls, and went to the bench as we chose to get very small with Beno. Returned and slashed well with Reke, but wild shots were mixed in all night. Then threw a bad crazy crosscourt pass over Udoka's head. Came back for the third and was again throwing up wild shots, although late in the quarter forced a drive into a triple team, including Howard, but was still able to bank it home. Did a good job poking a ball away when he was caught with Howard in the post. Returned one last time in the mid 4th and quickly put up a tough shot, got the o-board, missed it too, bricked a three, and just generally was wild enough ot make a signmificant contribution to our meltdown before Westphal quickly pulled him back out. Some defense on the night, a few highlight pays, but mostly just trying to make up for the two games he missed all at once and trying to do too much too fast.

Sophie Monk -- Aussie pop princess turned scream queen, and pretty enough to catch Jude Law's eye (of course apparently who isn't).

Thompson ( D- ) -- and wow -- tonight Westphal, perhaps having watched old tapes of Dwight just beating Spencer like the proverbial red headed stepchild everytime they have met, decided to get clever, inserted Donte, and gave Jason the responsibility of mtaching up with the big guy. Of course that's the thing. They are both 6'11". Not as if Dwight looks down on Jason. But he probably looks down on his game/talent after this one. It was a complete wipeout, complete domination. Howard had 15pts by the end of the first quarter. He finished with 30pts and 16rebs. Jason...finished with 6pts and 5rebs. JT got beat on the very opening play by Howard, but Howard blew layup and JT took it the opther way to force the break. About the only hgihlight of the whole night. An ill conceived attempt to post Dwight resulted in a quick TO. Came back in the second with two o-rebs and three blown layups on one possession. Started the third with another TO. Then a wild shot over Howard. Picked up a foul trying to roughhouse with Dwight, and left the game. We brought him back to start the 4th and it got no better. Started the 4th airballing a jumper, but next time down knocked the same shot down. Unable to get the post move to go over local boy Ryan Anderson. Added a side jumper in garbagetime. Just a miserable performance again. I'm going to use the Dwight Howard excuse here to bump this up half a grade above another F, but it really was F worthy again. Slumping, sure. But no starting PF should ever slump so bad you'd rather see Kenny Thomas out there. And it carries forward the question of Jason eventual status in the league. Dwight Howard is great, but a legitimate 14 and 9 players hould be able to stay on the same floor with him. Get beat, but not destroyed. But tonight Dwight mae JT look like a complete scrub.

Jessica Lowndes -- Canadian actress unfortunately wiht bad enoug taste to be apparently be involved in the new 90210 reboot or whatever, but I caught in a grade B lead role and she was solid.

Udoka ( C ) -- got the spot start here, adn really not sure what his special matchup was supposed to be. Think Westpahl is outthinking himiself sometimes here now with all there bodes in and out of the lineup. Did nothing at all before half and got very limited minutes. In the third got upended flying over to foul Dwight and took a bad fall. Came back with a nice running hook off the glass. Got fouled on the 3pt shot by Barnes and hit 2 of 3. And that was really it. Not terribly effective or noticeable on either end of the floor. 23 minutes, 4pts 3rebs. Guess you could note that JJ Reddick was awful tonight, but he often is anyway, and tonight he was jsut missing open threes. So...eh.

Briana Evigan -- Professional hip hop dancer turned star of the immortal Step Up 2 -- The Streets, where she of course did all her own dancing.
 
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Bricklayer

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Evans ( C- ) -- had a rough rough first half offensively, recovered to lead us in the third, and then unable to turn the tide and disappeared with everybody else in the 4th. Started the game with a good take of Nelson that drew the foul, but then threw up another of those random three pt airballs he has started to mix in. Another of his poke steals on Nelson led to the open court, but then took an awkward fall on the resulting break -- was scared about the ankle, but he was fine. Drove and met Dwight at the rim. Dwight was bigger. Two great setups for open threes on the same possesion in the 2nd, but both Beno and Casspi missed the open threes -- as many of those as have been missed in recent games he ust really be lookign forwad to Kevin's return just to finally get credited for some assists. Time after time got into the paint and had layup after layup roll off. Nothing would fall before half, and he was 0-7 before he finally got one to go on a hustle play on the break. Greeted Donte's return to the game by delivering a gorgeous feed to him on the slash. Drewe an offensive foul from Rashard trying to post him up. And in general, turned in an ugly 1-10 first half from the field, but was actually not playing a bad overall game. Started the third better with a good +1 on the break, and with nobody else hitting any of the threes he set up for them, he just stepped out and hit his own off a Casspi feed. Then added a reverse layup, and led us in scoring as we tried to hang on in the third. With him off the floor we quickly disintegrated in the early 4th, but when he returned he was able to do absolutely nothing to run things around. Tried a a quick drive but got it sent back over his head by Dwight. Drove again and got fouled. But the lanes were seizing up, and he never got terribly close to the hoop again. Nor was he able to really set anybody else up to get us out of the funk, normally reduced to dumping it to one of our incompetent bigs in the high post, who would fiddle with it a while then dump it out to a covered shooter on the perimeter, who would then force a low percentage garbage shot. So better than the 1-10 first half indicated, and played a strong 3rd, but lost grades again in the 4th not for being awful, but just for being ineffective and unable to do anything to bail us out.

Cassie -- R&B princess Cassie before she apparently went off and shaved half her head?? Um...why?

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Udrih ( B- ) -- another one of Beno's bursts, followed by another one of Beno's just as abrupt disappearances. Came in off the bench and exploded in the early 2nd, and I really think its one fo those things where the Magic defense had studied tape and were loaded up to stop Tyrewke, and then when he left to be replaced by Beno it is just such a shift in style that none of the same defensive principles apply. Patient work to get to the line in the early 2nd -- Dwight chased him off the first one, so he kicked it out and sent all the way back around the perimeter before getting a second drive from nearly the same spot as he had started the first one, and drew the foul. Then dropped in a two, then a three, and blew up for 12 points in about 5 minutes. On the other end did not have any luck slowing Jwill either (Sergio had started against him, Reke would get the assignment eventually) when switched onto him. Back late in the 3rd of course, and immedaitely splashed in another shot. Forced several shots in the last minute of the quarter though, and dribbled too long and did not get up the shot at the buzzer. It was a precursor of things to come, as Beno, who had been so good for that stretch in the first half, did absolutely nothing for us in the 4th. Never made another shot. did not create any for anybody else either. Just disappeared. So really another of those 1 quarter games he has been cropping up with of late. Had me thinking C+, but in general I think the grades here have all been skewed perhaps lower than they should be for a game we led after 3/4 against an elite team, and Beno had a major role to play in those better quarters before the 4th quarter collapse.

Noureen Dewulf -- Indian-American actress...actually I hate that formulation. She was born in New York. She grew up in Georgia. She's just American. But of Indian descent. Anyway, she's hot, so that's the real qualifer here.

Hawes ( D+ ) -- this matchup has always been a disaster for us, so much so that Westphal sacrificed JT to the Dwight gods this time instead. But JT was so bad that there was still a lot of Hawes/Howard to this one, and it went as it normally does. Intimidated and overpowered by Dwight in the first, and of course responded by retreating to chuck up a three. Got a dunk off the pick and roll in the early 2nd, and hey, I guess you could say at least he was doing marginally better than Jason. Into the game quickly in the third and bricked a three. Clumsy drive and stripped. Weak offensive rebound attempt in between several Magic - no hope and had it ripped away by Barnes. Overpowered multiple times by Dwight, but late in the third did a good job on one possession where he was posted and reposted but held his ground. Swooping drive in the late 4th, might have been a charge, but not called. Everything else in that quarter was soft and hopeless. No boardwork at all. Better than Jason, yes, but pasted once again and has yet to show in his career that he belongs on the same floor as Superman .

Padma Lakshmi -- as long as we are discussing Indian Americans, here is at least one who was born in India. Fahsion model turned cookbook writer turned occasional actress Padma Lakshmi.

Nocioni ( C- ) -- hit back to back threes in the first an hey, it looked good. Then woke and realized he was Noc and hd been in a slump for a nonth and resumed the normal chuck and brick ways. Got his flip shot just eaten by Dwight after retunring in the late third -- something I have only seen Roy Tarpley do once back in the day. Not just blocking the shot, but just snatching it right out of the air. Wasn't much help in any other aspect of the game either, although I guess you could say he played decent defense on Lewis, and was part of the crew in the early 4th that lost control of the game. So how much grade can you get for essentially hitting two 3pt shots back to back in the first quarter?

Marie Blanchard -- I wanted to add a girl here because of the tragic Earthquake in Haiti. And while I actually tagged this model last year, she is actually known as "The Haitian Beauty" apparently, and is indeed from Haiti, so I figured why not. Deserving of an encore anyway.
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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Brockman ( B ) -- nothing while Dwight still in there, but immediately outmuscled The Polish Hammer for a reb as soon as Gortat came in. Banged around for hustle boards and points in the 2nd. When posted by Dwight it was no chance and he quickly picked up his thrid foul. Drew a charge in the early 4th as the Magic were trying to pull away. Added an o-board and was fouled as baically the onyl we could get in that final quarter weere hustle points. His boards tonight were almost all offensive. Put up big numbers on the night per minute, but the game was not that good. Kind of fugly and scrappy of course, but not inspirational, and you could almsot feel hi chugging.

Alice Goodwin -- yet another in the long busty Brit glam model machine

Rodriguez ( INC ) -- torched by JWill in ashort first half stint, and then part of the lineup that started to let it get away in the early 4th.

Julianne Hough -- country cutie Julianne Hough

Notes: please quit experimenting with starting lineups. Its gone too far now. You need to have settled lineups in order to develop chemistry. Show me a top team that changes its lineup every night, and I will show you a picture of me and Kate Beckinsale frolicking on the beach. While of course raising social issues best left resting, it was ntoable that we finally did something we've come close to on numrous occasions this season -- we fielded an all pasty team to close the third -- Brock, Hawes, Noc, Casspi, Beno. Since they are all rotation players I would not mention it except that I have not seen that in the league in a long time, and it may be the first time in Sacramento era history. Was some irony in the early 4th when we were falling apart, and nedding to get the game under control, we go out and bring IN the rookies.
 
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rainmaker

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Tyreke, Beno and Omri were average. Spencer tried, but failed. Brock played well in limited minutes. Everyone else gets a big ******* F!

As for the poll, I voted for Kayte. She can do just as much for us on defense vs Dwight as Spencer can, but she'll look much better doing it.;)
 
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sactownfan

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#7
wow i just dont understand why Greene was doing alright... then is taken out... and not brought back until its gotten out of reach...
 
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Tyreke, Beno and Omri were average. Spencer tried, but failed. Brock played well in limited minutes. Everyone else gets a big ******* F!

As for the poll, I voted for Kayte. She can do just as much for us on defense vs Dwight as Spencer can, but she'll look much better doing it.;)
Oh dang, I didn't see the Kayte option. If anyone on the Kings can get Dwight out of focus, it's definitely her :D
 
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sactownfan

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i also wanna say that Brock can annoy bigger guys for sure, even out play them...but howard is just too much for him.... brock has no chance at bothering him... whoever guards him has to be 6'11 or taller... plus sorta thick

Dang did you see Howards stats!?

Dwight Howard, C 41 9-15 0-0 12-17 3 13 16 5 3 3 3 3 +17 30

30pts 16reb 5ast 3stl 3blk 9-15 shooting. and an alright 12-17 from the line....
 
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i also wanna say that Brock can annoy bigger guys for sure, even out play them...but howard is just too much for him.... brock has no chance at bothering him... whoever guards him has to be 6'11 or taller... plus sorta thick

Dang did you see Howards stats!?

Dwight Howard, C 41 9-15 0-0 12-17 3 13 16 5 3 3 3 3 +17 30

30pts 16reb 5ast 3stl 3blk 9-15 shooting. and an alright 12-17 from the line....
Reminds me of Hawes..
 

VF21

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I could make you understand, but I don't know what is acceptable on here for posting pictures...
If you have to ask...

Check the Hot Babes threads in the Lounge archives. If what you're thinking of wouldn't have passed there, it isn't appropriate.
 
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sactownfan

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I just wanna say one more thing about howard and the magic... Lucky there's only one of him cause that's the worst match up for us outa all the teams in the league... He's just one in a million... Amare s. Is close but not what he used to be...We can't slow Howard down at all... No weakness way to fast, big and strong
 
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It's not a matter of Too Much Howard, it is more of the Kings having NOT ENOUGH Center to match up. Hawes is as soft as they come, because he has NOT taken his working out seriously. He has the arms of a 10 year old boy. His lower body is still underdeveloped. Comparing him to Howard he looked like a little boy trying to guard a grown man. Hawes has had 3 years to bulk up in his lower and upper body and he hasn't done a thing. He looks like he did on his draft day, SOFT, THIN, and not NBA READY!

I think if the Kings had someone to at least stop Howard from posting up SO DEEP in the lane, and who could root him out to where his offense is less automatic, the Kings would have had a chance. Unfortunately Hawes is soft, Brockman is too short, JT is in a FUNK, and Greene is also not very muscular. In fact many of our players are soft and look out of shape. I wonder if it isn't time to get a whole new training/conditioning staff. I see a lot of NBA players on the Kings that look soft and under sized physically. Also we see a lot of injuries every year, worse than most other teams.

And finally, even though the Garcia injury was a freak accident, was that exercise safe? How can you spot someone when they are on an exercise ball lifting dumbbells? Seems very risky to me. If he had been on a bench, he would have had more safety features that would have allowed him to avoid injury. Exactly what additional benefit does a weight lifter gain by lifting on a unstable exercise ball? Just the total picture of the Kings Training woes leads me to believe that the Training Staff isn't doing the job the Kings need to help these young players maximize their potential, while the players keep getting injuries that cost the team a lot of man hours playing on the court.

I think the Kings need a new training staff just to see if there can be improvement in this area. I know that Daniel Shapiro and Pete Youngman have been with the team for a long time, but I never remember thinking the Kings looked like they were in GREAT physical shape heading into the season. Something has to be wrong in that element of the Kings preparation. Just seems that our players never improve physically like I see players on other teams improving themselves. When you look at the bio of both of these men, on the surface they appear to be capable. But the players physique's and overall health says that these 2 gentlemen are NOT getting the job done.

Too many non contact injuries and not enough results that can be attributed to the training staff. I mean how does Hawes log 3 years in the league and NOT have another 25 lbs of muscle on him? Brad Miller never worked out a day in his life while with the Kings. JT doesn't look bigger since he was drafted. Very odd. Pete has been with the team since 1996. Who would you say this training staff has helped to improve physically and maximize their potential, and how have they improved the teams overall health? I can't answer that question. The Kings have been consistently a team that is prone to injury the last 6-8 years and have been "soft" physically for a long time. Something is wrong with the conditioning and performance enhancing exercise routines. I am no exercise expert, but the results on the floor every year have been less than spectacular. I can not find any stats to back up this observation, but I have watched every game since the Kings came to Sacramento.
 
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Brad Miller did lose a lot of fat the year we hired Theus. Kmart has grown significantly more muscular. You must realise that not all players are dwight howard. Working out and increasing strength does not necessarily make you look very muscular.

Training on the gym ball forces you to use your core muscles as well to stabilise your body. I agree that with that kind of weight he should not have been using a gym ball. Also remember that these guys are basketball players, not body builders. The training staff's job is to keep them fit and to help them keep their conditioning while building strength if necessary in the offseason. Perhaps the problem with spence is how much he actually has been working out?
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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Brad Miller did lose a lot of fat the year we hired Theus. Kmart has grown significantly more muscular. You must realise that not all players are dwight howard. Working out and increasing strength does not necessarily make you look very muscular.

Training on the gym ball forces you to use your core muscles as well to stabilise your body. I agree that with that kind of weight he should not have been using a gym ball. Also remember that these guys are basketball players, not body builders. The training staff's job is to keep them fit and to help them keep their conditioning while building strength if necessary in the offseason. Perhaps the problem with spence is how much he actually has been working out?
Its worth noting that Dwight is only 24 himself -- one year older than JT.
 
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Okay, time to do these. The 4th quarter collpase was depressing enough that I had a hard time motivating, and I thought to myself, so self, what DO we do around here to bring the sparkle back to life when we get blown out in depressing fashion? And self came up with an answer:

Then again, you posted these pics A LOT last season and we only won 17 games. We have a pretty good idea some of the players read these boards, so maybe you are just motivating them to lose for the hot women threads. Shoot, you might have single handedly caused our 17 win season last year. Just saying.
 
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It's not a matter of Too Much Howard, it is more of the Kings having NOT ENOUGH Center to match up. Hawes is as soft as they come, because he has NOT taken his working out seriously. He has the arms of a 10 year old boy. His lower body is still underdeveloped. Comparing him to Howard he looked like a little boy trying to guard a grown man. Hawes has had 3 years to bulk up in his lower and upper body and he hasn't done a thing. He looks like he did on his draft day, SOFT, THIN, and not NBA READY!
I don't think this is a fair assessment. Other than missing summer league, there has never been any indication that Hawes hasn't worked out or isn't a hard worker. In fact, from the quotes I believe I have seen over the years, Hawes spends his summers working out and refining his game. It's worth noting his post moves, jumper, handles and passing do seem to be improving.

Let's remember that Hawes is only 21. I worked out a lot in college, but it wasn't until after college when my body started maturing and I actually found myself getting significantly stronger.

Some players like Howard, Tyreke, LeBron and Amare seem to be blessed with big frames and great strength at a young age, but that is the exception to the rule, not the norm. I mean how many 21 year old centers can you name in college or the pros who do not have naturally thick frames who have bulked up significantly?
 
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While of course raising social issues best left resting, it was ntoable that we finally did something we've come close to on numrous occasions this season -- we fielded an all pasty team to close the third -- Brock, Hawes, Noc, Casspi, Beno. Since they are all rotation players I would not mention it except that I have not seen that in the league in a long time, and it may be the first time in Sacramento era history. Was some irony in the early 4th when we were falling apart, and nedding to get the game under control, we go out and bring IN the rookies.
Hahaha, there was a time in this game when the only man of color on the entire court was Pietrus!
 
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