Grades v. Lakers 12/26/09

How upset are you that the Kings lost this one?

  • Happy as a clam -- a silicon enhanced bandwagoning clam

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I'm cool with it -- we're still learning

    Votes: 25 20.5%
  • I'm ok with it -- experience won out, but not easy to swallow

    Votes: 39 32.0%
  • I'm pissed -- we should have won this!

    Votes: 39 32.0%
  • I'm psychotic when it comes to losing to the Lakers, and proud of it!

    Votes: 13 10.7%
  • **** this team! **** the refs! **** life! Trade! Fire! Kill! Maim!!

    Votes: 6 4.9%

  • Total voters
    122
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Bricklayer

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Be not ashamed of mistakes and thus make them crimes.
-- Confucius (551 BC - 479 BC)

Boxscore

Greene ( A- ) -- as it ended up one of our kids bursting with potential put on a show -- it just wasn't the one we've been spoiled into expecting on a nightly basis. It was a Donte explosion to start this one. 12 quick point hustling all over the court. And the thing that remains so intriguing with Donte is that when he's rolling he's kicking butts on BOTH sides of the ball. Started things off with a beautiful cradle drive to explode by Odom for the big dunk. Stripped on the break a minute later but then buried a three on the kickout. Drew a foul and finally hit 2-2 FTs. Wild drives were still putting pressure on the Lakers big frontline (note: odd how these elite teams keep coming through here with the formula 1 great little + a whole bunch of size inside). Made a great defensive save to salvage a possession for us. After returning played some great defense on the break to save a hoop, but then got clocked by Bynum and had to go to the lockerroom fopr stitches -- not surprisingly Bynum went to the line on that play as we all know its always been a foul on you when you smack a Lakers elbow with your face. Came back for the second half and while quiet in the third, stepped up big time down the stretch. Forced Odom into a 4th offensive foul to start the 4th -- could match Lamar's length and it seemed to bother Odom. mAde a mistake and turned it over up top for a Lakers breakway. But came back to follow with a spining post move for his first points since the first quarter and then bombed a three off a scramble. Was doing good job at PF using his length and fighting on boards -- in fact for a while there we countered the monster frontline with a silly sounding one of Greene/Brockman and held our own. Got even better when we moved him back down to SF and was our best player in the final minutes. Not on offense, but by getting assigned to guard Kobe and exposing Kobe for the overrated scrub we've long suspected him to be -- great defensive stand against Kobe in the post with 1:20 to go, and then a huge block on another Kobe shot at the 52 second mark. And I'm sorry, those weren't luck and they weren't Kobe being hurty pooh. Kobe can post Donte Greene all night and he's not going to get anything going against a 6'11" long athletic kid who competes. Continued smothering Kobe on defense in the first OT as Kobe missed and missed some more in the face of the size. It was not until the 2nd OT when Kobe finally figured it out and hit back to back threes on him to split the game open. Queue Sportcenter Kobe-gushing, but I will cheerfully look forward to Donte guarding him again next time and making him into a jumpshooter -- Lebron shot the lights out against Donte, but he acquitted himself well having to guard the two best players in the world. That's that defensive potential that continues to make him such an exciting prospect -- defense wins championships, and this kid looks like he may be able to flat out bring it in the future.

Thompson ( C- ) -- for all that Tyreke's game in particular has been a topic of conversation -- and it should be -- this game, as many are, might well have been won or lost up front. Up front where the Lakers trio of bigs combined for 35 rebounds and 10 blocks while Jason just quietly slinked away with a 10 point 6reb on 4-12 shooting effort. Got off to a slow start again -- had a good tip on a missed Beno drive, but could get nothing going 1 on 1 against pretty much any of the Lakers bigs, and the jumper was shaky. Just a very quiet game and dominated by Pau through most of it. Finally got a continuation near the end of the third, but then missed the FT again -- been doing that aa ton lately. His 2-pt plays are in fact 2-pt plays. Watched Brockman show how it was done giving up half a foot, and then was back in there before Hawes in the 4th, not sure why. Some good work on the offesnive glass at a critical possession at the 2:30 led to 2 FTs -- and critically he hit both to get us within 4 and set up the tie. Forced a turnover off Gasol's leg down the stretch, but an offensive foul going for a board at the 23 second mark with the game tied set JT up to be the goat here -- we were in the penalty so it gave Gasol two FTs to put the Lakers up with a chance to ice it in regulation...and then Pau miraculously choked them both to bail Jason, and us, out. On the game breaking play wiht seconds to go in the first OT either got thrown out of the way or picked a really stupid time to flop as he went down allowing Pau to tie it with half a second to go before the buzzer. Fumbled a dribble and nearly turned the ball over with us down 2 in the second OT, then airballed a shot against the clock. Fouled out oin back to back plays saving breaks by the Lakers after Casspi forced a three and Beno turned it over. Reke failed in more spectacular ways, but I may be being kind here by holding this up at a C-. Just felt like Jason didn't even matter enough to truly dock with the awful grade this time. Just a very large houseplant on the night. Tame and irrelevant.

Hawes ( B- ) -- I really have nothing to add to those people who tagged this performance as Spencer channeling Vlade -- it absolutely was. But old on his last legs Vlade, not young in his semi-prime Vlade. It was all there -- the passing saavy, the poke away steals, the inverted rebounding/assist numbers, the inability to contend with bigger stronger atheltes inside. So how exactly does one grade a 21 yr old kid who played the game like a a saavy old 35yr old chainsmoker in the final months of his career? Good defense on Bynum to start -- and throughout Specner's career he has always seemed to have Bynum's number. Too weak against the Lakers frontline to finish inside, and a voice sounding suspicously like one of the Maloofs was shouting, and I quote: "dunk the son of a *****!" Hey Spencer, that's your boss -- better listen up. Threw an alley oop to JT and was dropping nifty dimes right from the start of the game. Then came up with a steal to start a fast break. One aggressive follow dunk but otherwise just soft soft soft finsihes in there. Came up with renewed activity after Reke returned with 2 minutes to go in half. Stole a ball from behind on Bynum as he tried to outlet it. Hit a little jumper. Dropped in another assist. Picked up a cheapie foul on a Kobe flop with 6 seconds to go in the half letting the Lakers go back ahead. Came back out after half and delivered back to back beautiful Vlade style passes for Beno layups, one between Bynum's legs. In fact the whole game we seemed to be running our 2002 sets with him far more than I have ever seen us this year -- don't know whether that was a special welcome home present for Phil Jackson or what. Threw in a running hook off the glass but then resumed just such soft soft little flippy wussing on offense. And shot after shot after shot was sent back in his face, and he just did not learn. I think Pau now leads the league in blocks after this game, or at least he certainly would if he got to face Spencer every night. Short minutes and never a factor late in this one. A grading conundrum was this. The passing, the steals, the saavy...like Vlade of old it was all fun and all positive. But the weak little flippy offense, half a dozen balls swatted in his face on the way to a 4-14 shooting night, rebounding that basically consisted of his catching a handful of those balls as they were swatted back in his face, and then not mattering at all down the stretch...well parts of it were fun. He made some impact which is more than I can say for his running mate. But it was still a soft effort, a you don't scare one me one bit effort. I'm going to call it a B-.

Udrih ( B+ ) -- by far our best offensive player of the night (we shot 40%, Beno was 10-19), but unable to come up with the big ones we needed to pull this off. Started off a bit shaky, invisible early and really just seemed to be in there to create the Kobe/Reke matchup, then almost threw a Sergio no look turnover to start the second quarter. But settled and splashed in back to back open threes off the nice ball movement. Was basically the only player playing offense for us for long stretches of the second. Fullcourt race and three splashed in in the final 6 seconds of the first half left us with the lead going into the break. Big slashing drive early in the third, and then had some fun with back to back old Bibby cuts taking bounce passes from Hawes. Began to get quiet though, and as our offense progressively slowed (we scored fewer points in every period and OT) a lot of those little pullups were not falling. Missed the 18 foot jumper at the 24 second mark that would have put us up 2, leading to JT's offensive foul that could have cost us the game. Little pullup jumper to put us up 7 in OT and then did a subtly nice job of chasing Fisher off a 3pt shot a few seconds later -- you know he loves to can those big shots on us. Had a bad turnover throwing the ball out to Thompson on the drive as we started to collapse, and did not do a good job getting us in our offense as the OTs ran out. Bricked a wide open three we needed in the late double OT -- lead would have been down to 3, but became 8 when the Lakers took the miss the other way for a couple of FTs. Still a strong game, but Beno is not a primetime player you want to have to rely upon to start down Kobe in overtime. Which brings us to the story of the night...
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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Evans ( D ) -- well darn. From the very beginning of this game I thought Coach was playing some games on this front -- very interesting going back to Beno for this matchup apparently intentionally looking for the Kobe/Reke matchup. No more hiding. But for one night the kid looked like, well, a kid.
First half Scored on a drive, then the jumper. But a quick foul on Bryant as well -- the obvious threat. Interstingly taken out after 5 minutes to sit for a bit -- think it was another intentional preplanned move, although I was not clear on the purpose. Little rest and reflection maybe? Returned to throw a mysteriously bad crosscourt pass for an easy TO. Let Sasha get a three. Then D'd up by Sasha, who can be a scrappy dsefender and always used to cause Bibby problems too. Of course in Reke's case it just made him mad as next time down the floor squared him up and roasted him. Good challenge but Kobe got the turnarond over him to close the first quarter. Efficinnt on offense in the first half, but not dominant or that involed. Was just single Lakers doing it too, with a lot of shading from the Lakers' size in back of course. Aggressive Vujacic, Kobe, Brown defense. First time we've seen single players causing him to swing it, and kind of makes you wonder if Reke was just having an off game regardless of what the Lakers were doing. Maybe just an overreaction to trying to cool it after last game. Back in with 2 minutes to go in the first half, don't think we wanted to do that and risk foul #3 but the offense was collapsing without him. Immediately the double team pressure he drew started getting guys open as we closed strong.
Third quarter Nice high pick and roll with Spencer again, forced three, probably frustation thing. Drive poked away by Kobe. Then started a duel sequence wiht Kobe that ended up pretty much a draw but did feature a spectacular behind the back dribble to beat Kobe and then dart into the defense. The left hand problem seemed to be a bit worse for him tonight as Fisher was doing nothing more than shading his right hand while Bynum came over for the soft double under the hoop to Fish's left, and Reke did not seem to be willing to attack that, and when he did it looked off balance.
Fourth quarter Back in for the 4th, and now was dueling with Shannon Brown -- and this was the thing tonight, Reke was not clearly getting the better of it. Just seemd off the whole night. Maybe it was because mom and grandmom were in the stands -- ladies, nice to see you, we love your kid, but please go home now so he can concentrate. Blocked a Brown drive, drew all 5 Lakers on a drive and kicked to Sergio who moved it to Donte for the three. Torched Brown, but then picked up an offensive foul. Was moving ball solidly but not creatively against all the doubles, but struggling to work in effective drives. Something was the matter with the offensive spacing when Reke was doubled in the post on the left block and there was no three point shooter at a good angel for the kickout pass -- all the attention should have led to more torchage than we got.
Down the stretch Clutch jumper at the 2:00 mark to get us within 2, but then charged into Kobe on the break next time down. And on the final possession of the game...it was a called thing again. We ran a Reke clearout against Kobe. And I think if the purpose was winning this game, that Westphal screwed it up again frankly. Intentionally putting Evans 1 on 1 vs. Kobe to try to win it at the buzzer....well Coach referred to it as "fun" after the game, and I think it was for him. Do it. See what happens. If the kid wins, his confidence and our profile shoot through the roof. If he fails...well its a learning experience. It was the latter -- not sure Reke knew what he wanted to to. Got against the clock, half drove, turned it over at the buzzer without getting anything approaching a shot Just very poorly played. Was he intimidated? Not sure. In any case we have to do better. 2 straight OTs with a chance to win them at the buzzer. What could have been... Started OT on the bench, likely because of having 5 fouls. Came back i and was too slow getting into the offense, then slipped and fell on the drive as we started to choke. Bad substitution as it turned out. Another terrible possession with us up 2 in OT resulted in just a contested jumper. Missed, and the Lakers tied. Not sure what he was seeing that was making him so passive -- jumper after jumper late and missing them. Afraid of the shotblockers suddenly? Or wanting to prove the jumper is better? Not sure, but I would rather see him ram it inside futiley 100 times than become a passive weenie jumpshooter. Finally atacked the rim with us down 5 in the double OT, and what do you know it was suddenly us down 3. Could have done that a lot earlier. Mkssed an open three in the late double OT -- had to take it, in rhythm, just does not have that shot. Had another deperation three at the end. 18 and 5 doesn't look that that bad, and again that's the thing about Reke -- when he's bad he stil puts up numbers that are season highs for some guys. But he never at any point in this one looked comfortable, and even before the late struggles which helped sink us was probably never sitting on anything more than a C. Blame it on mom. Blame it on an unflappable kid finally getting flapped by facing the legendary names. Whatever, just hopefully its a learning thing.

Bench

Udoka ( B- ) -- in quickly for Evans I think to kep him out of foul trouble. Disrupted Kobe on a drive and generally doing a steady job of guarding Kobe in the early going. Chipped in on offense too -- nice drive and drop step against Bynum of all people. Posted Sasha. We even went to him several times like a primary offensive weapon in the post against smaller guards (that might have been taking it a bit far). Not surpringly could not stop Kobe once he got rolling in the second however, and got punked by Bryant on both ends at the end of the third. Still, this was Ime Udoka out there, and he did what he could.

Brockman ( B+ ) -- might have been our best big on the night -- Spencer may or mya not have had a better game, but it wasn't better at the things you normally expect out of bigs. Brockman however came out, stared the Lakers frontline right in their bellybuttons, and battled away anyway. Had an early poke away from behind on the break. Good bodywork in the final minutes of the second quarter blocking people out. After returning in the late third created some havoc on the offensive boards. Did a Rodman imitation into the stands in the early 4th. Used his body on Bynum, but too small to bother Gasol's offense. Forced a turnover on Pau to start OT (yes he was in there to start OT). Then grabbed the d-board, the next two actually. Drew a loose ball foul against Bynum with us down 2 in double OT, but was kind fo the last thing we did right. Effort was very much appreciated, but John Brockman should never be the best thing you've got going on your frontline in the NBA. After breaking through on the road, after the miracle comeback, after threatening .500 and now playing two of the top teams in the league into OT and double OT consecutively...now I am really really looking at that frontline hole and wondering "what if"? Just how good could we be if we could make a deal here for a major frontline player? If it happened soon, could we legitimately challenge for the playoffs one season removed from 17 wins? You begin to wonder.

Casspi ( B- ) -- good job of defending Kobe in the post in the first quarter with his length, then d-board. Big swoopping drive, then posted Big Ears. Badly bricked back to back threes in the second. Knocked one in to give us a lead with 30 seconds to go -- the only one he would hit on the night. Back in in the third and immediately scored over by Kobe. Nice bounce pass on the break to Beno with a minute to go in the third. Missed 1 of 2 FTs and so we had to settle for the tie at the end of the third. Good double at the buzzer to cause a missed Kobe three at the 3rd quarter buzzer. Began to really struggle wiht his scoring as this one went along. Seemed to be forcing and off balance on the twos, and just bricking the threes. Reemerged in the final minute as he got out on the break after Donte's stop of Kobe for the flying dunk and +1 -- but missed the FT and so left us still tied. Started OT out on the break and another continuation play getting fouled by Kobe. Hit the FT this time. Traveled when he mysteriously refused to take a three off a Reke double at the 1:00 mark, but grabbed a good d-board in partial recompense. Forced a bad three out of the timeout in the double OT. Scrapped and did not back down of course, but had a bad shooting night and picked some poor times to miss key shots.

Nocioni ( INC ) -- short empty second quarter stint. be interesting to see if there is any fallout as Westphal continues to juggle minutes -- get the feeling that once we started realizing we could be pretty decent this year, the pressue came on and Coach has gotten more ruthless in using his bench/matching up. There are cracks appearing though, and hard to form up consistent chemistry with constantly changing lineups. And I rather doubt Noc is the type to accept 6 min a night witout grumpiness (I should note too wihtout crashing his trade value too).

Rodriguez ( D- ) -- forced a couple of dumb shots in the mid 2nd which hurt us and saw Casspi quickly back in. Wild and sloppy in the early 4th too. In for the final 40 seconds of double OT, and another wild forced drive althoguh I suppose that one was at least in semi-desperation time. Has not responded well to the erratic minutes, which of course only makes them more erratic.

Notes: Greene and Brockman frontline late 3rd/4th, and actually hung in there on pure hustle. 18-2 run at end of game this time -- similar to Cavs collapse. We fought, then we jsut got to a breaking point did not know what to do, and once the dream of an upset was done lost focus.
 
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piksi

Hall of Famer
#3
Big fat F for the atmosphete @ ARCO. If anybody ever told me that lakers would ever have HCA @ ARCO I would have called him a moron. Well it happened tonight.
 

VF21

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SME
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Regardless of the final score, our Kings played hard and they kept themselves in the game against the reigning NBA champions. I think Hawes, Brockman and Beno did exceptionally well.
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#5
Big fat F for the atmosphete @ ARCO. If anybody ever told me that lakers would ever have HCA @ ARCO I would have called him a moron. Well it happened tonight.
And just how are the Kings supposed to keep Laker fans - of which there are TONS in Sacramento - from buying tickets? I know a lot of Laker fans who bought tickets for this game and a chance to see THEIR team when the stupid schedule came out.

This is bull****.
 
#8
i am so ******* dissapointed! The kings had the game in their hands and they had so many opportunities to win.. Everyone who saw the game knows exactly what i'm talking about
 
#12
Got to give Evans a big fat F. A giant F. He single-handedly blew the entire game. Wow...
No matter what it would have been difficult to get that one stop,one score,one rebound,one whatever. There are a bunch of players who were one play from putting the Kings over the top and failed to get that elusive something. I am not concerened with the Cavs,Lakers,Celtics. If they can bring that effort against the lesser teams it will be all we need right now.
 
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Big fat F for the atmosphete @ ARCO. If anybody ever told me that lakers would ever have HCA @ ARCO I would have called him a moron. Well it happened tonight.

Dude there were more Kings fans at arco, a lot more, and for most of the night kings did have HCA. I don't see what you expect the fans to do when the team is blowing it, it pretty much silences you. The team blew the game, not the fans. As for the laker fans in arco I would be pretty happy if they all got hit by a bus. **** the lakers.
 
#15
I'm feeling very bad right now, how do you comfort yourself after such a loss?
I need to start the day now (in israel it's 8 in the morning)... what a disappointment..


I'm not blaming Evens, he's just a rookie who gets too much credit, I'm blaming Westphall for choosing evens instead of more responsible guy (Sergio)
I love Westphall as a coach but you need to let the kids grow slowly
 

rainmaker

Hall of Famer
#16
I'm feeling very bad right now, how do you comfort yourself after such a loss?
I need to start the day now (in israel it's 8 in the morning)... what a disappointment..


I'm not blaming Evens, he's just a rookie who gets too much credit, I'm blaming Westphall for choosing evens instead of more responsible guy (Sergio)
I love Westphall as a coach but you need to let the kids grow slowly
I'm sorry but Sergio was absolutely horrible tonight. He was playing for the ******* Lakers.
 
#17
That's Tyreke being your PG. Any questions?
I've got one, Are you going to be here to acknowledge it the next time he makes a big play to clinch a game, or just hang around and wait for the next poor showing?

I'm trying to imagine the face of a basketball coach, any basketball coach, at being told that someone thinks that having Tyreke at PG is actually a problem. Dude's been playing the position for what, a year or so? And he's already marked for greatness. One (really) poor showing does not change that.
 
#19
Sergio was not playing well enough to get the amount of minutes he did get. Which is unfortunate, because his passing and pushing the ball would have been useful. He just kept leaping up without a thing to do.
 
#21
Dude there were more Kings fans at arco, a lot more, and for most of the night kings did have HCA. I don't see what you expect the fans to do when the team is blowing it, it pretty much silences you. The team blew the game, not the fans. As for the laker fans in arco I would be pretty happy if they all got hit by a bus. **** the lakers.
What the Hell is HCA?
 
#22
I'm feeling very bad right now, how do you comfort yourself after such a loss?
I need to start the day now (in israel it's 8 in the morning)... what a disappointment..


I'm not blaming Evens, he's just a rookie who gets too much credit, I'm blaming Westphall for choosing evens instead of more responsible guy (Sergio)
I love Westphall as a coach but you need to let the kids grow slowly
The Kings are in no danger of winning a title this year, we all agree on that, right?

So it makes sense to take a few hits if your young core learns from these losses, even losses to the Lakers. And judging from what Westphal has done so far, I'm pretty sure they will learn.
 
#23
I've got one, Are you going to be here to acknowledge it the next time he makes a big play to clinch a game, or just hang around and wait for the next poor showing?
I acknowledged him beasting on Arenas.

I'm trying to imagine the face of a basketball coach, any basketball coach, at being told that someone thinks that having Tyreke at PG is actually a problem.
The face would probably be old and wisened, and not being paid by the maloofs. Somewhere between Van Gundy and Popovich. Or both.
 

piksi

Hall of Famer
#24
Dude there were more Kings fans at arco, a lot more, and for most of the night kings did have HCA. I don't see what you expect the fans to do when the team is blowing it, it pretty much silences you. The team blew the game, not the fans. As for the laker fans in arco I would be pretty happy if they all got hit by a bus. **** the lakers.
it never silences real fans

it is easy to cheer when you up 20 but then players don't need support

when you down and when you play bed - that is when fans are needed the most


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhDZ91hST-w

just look at this and realize that home team lost a very important game here
 
#25
This game was bull****.

This league is bull****.

David Stern is a scum sucking son of a *****.

Tyreke didn't loose this game, the "refs" stole it from us.

Kobe missed the shot, Gasol fouled the **** out of Thompson leaving him wide open under the basket. There is no way those 3 cheating *******s missed that foul. The Sacramento Kings and the fans deserve justice. We have been ****ed too many times by this league. I'm over this bias bull****. Burn in ****ing hell David Stern you ****ing crook. Give me my infraction, I don't care anymore. I'm done.
 
#26
The Kings are in no danger of winning a title this year, we all agree on that, right?

So it makes sense to take a few hits if your young core learns from these losses, even losses to the Lakers. And judging from what Westphal has done so far, I'm pretty sure they will learn.
They didn't learn anything from the cavs game. Same thing same result.

Evans was great against the bucks and bulls, but he's not going to do it against LBJ and Kobe. When they get the switch from the PG and a their best defender is on Evans you don't attack them you get the ball to someone else.

Westphal should have never put Evans in when they were up 6 in the first OT. They had all the momemetum. You don't make a change at that point.
 
#30
You know after hearing Coach Westphal during his interview, I'm wondering where Kevin is going to fit in when he comes back. I hope that Kevin will still receive the respect he had before as our "go to" guy as well. Maybe there really are going to be some big changes soon.
 
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