[Grades] Grades v. Lakers 12/21/2014

Do you want Deron Williams?

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 10.2%
  • No

    Votes: 54 55.1%
  • Only if we don't give up Collison

    Votes: 35 35.7%

  • Total voters
    98
  • Poll closed .

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Boxscore

Stats: 38min 24pts (8-15, 3-4, 5-9) 3reb 6ast 1stl 2blk 3TO
Gay ( B ) -- invisible in the early going as it was the Cousins show with Ben and DC working off of him. Missed a three, got one blocked at the rim, mostly stayed out of the way. We were again playing...agitated though I think is the best word for it. Same thing as last game where you could just see the damage to team chemistry oncourt with guys trying hard, but being scattered. With Rudy he was a little chippy all night long, engaging with both Lakers and the refs. after he missed a little post move he clapped his hands at the ref and picked himself up another technical. Actually began to get going in this one as a passer before he did as a scorer, and if this passing thing sticks it really has a chance to change the path of the second half of Rudy's career. After Cuz left for his first blow came up with a real nice shovel assist on the move to Landry for a dunk. Picked up the activity level in the 2nd, beginning to get in the scoring column but still not looking entirely settled in, on defense in particular where he got victimized by a couple of shaky foul calls. Forced a really bad baseline shot in the final minute of the half that helped ensure we entered the break actually trailing the Lakers.. Picked up his game coming out of the halftime, immediately picked off a ball in the early 3rd, raced the other way, and somehow lost control as he went up for the open court dunk. Fortunately Ben was standing there to grab the board and finish it. Answered a ridiculous Kobe 30footer with a thunderous dunk of his own to help stem momentum, but missed the +1. Was getting into it with Kobe and seemed to fire him up. When Cousins returned the two of them immediately started working together as we came storming back. Then got into it with SwaggyP in the early 4th, as those two began to duel, including a 4pt play by Young that Rudy immediately answered back the other way with a three of his own. A little bad blood there too as Rudy got called for an overeager offensive foul trying to squash Young, and at the end of the game was dueling with Ben to see who could lower their grade more as he committed a silly foul fouling Young on another 3 pointer, apparently just because he simply did not want to give him anything, even with the game almost over. Nonetheless, he was making numerous good plays, including the three of his own that may have been the backbreaker, putting us up 9 with 2:10 to go. So, 24pts 3reb 6ast on +.500 shooting, including being the one guy hitting his threes...Rudy as 2nd weapon is not surprisingly back just as soon as we got our #1 weapon back. But this grade is still going to be held back a bit because the Lakers two big scorers who kept them in this played right across from our #2/#3 weapons and matched them all the way (albeit Kobe in ridiculously inefficient manner). --Brick

Stats: 25min 2pts (1-1, 0-0, 0-0) 5reb 0ast 0stl 1blk 0TO
Thompson ( C ) -- got off to the good start when he dropped the shoulder for a power move and dunk through the much skinnier Ed Davis. And then....well there really wasn't any completion to that thought. That was his contribution for the night. Davis replied by scoring over him the way, and while at least int he early going JT appeared active, it was that same overactive agitated energy I was mentioning with Rudy, and all it did was get him into ineffective foul trouble. Things didn't improve after half, and when the not much more effective Carl Landry or the effective at only one thing Reggie Evans replaced him, there was no falloff (although it should be noted that we heavily won JT's minutes (all with the 4 good starters), and did not so much with the other two). As has often become the story with latter day JT, without a star opponent to harass, just never became a factor on his own. --Brick

Stats: 37min 29pts (9-19, 0-0, 11-15) 14reb 2ast 2stl 3blk 2TO
Cousins ( A ) -- hard not to be proud of the big guy here, not just for the game, but for the attitude with which he approached the game. From wildly tempemental kid, he's now emerging as maybe the most mature voice in the franchise, and came out here again just determined to turn this thing, to get us back on track and beyond the "situation". The upside is that he came out with tremendous energy and activity again given that he is coming back from illness. The downside was that he was so active he was practically out of control early. Lots of swipes at balls and was lucky he did not get called. Was being sporadically doubled and tripled by the Lakers, but it barely bothered him. Splashed in a little facing jumper, then added a beautifil step through, move, then a drive through Hill. Just doing whatever he wanted. And when he returned to start the second his slamming into contact and getting to the line was virtually the only offense we had as the bench was again a bagel. Still looked physically weaker than he has been, and is noticeably lighter, which contrary to some strings of thought isn't always a good thing for a big man. You could see him having to really work at beating Hill inside on the glass, rather than being able to just casually overpower him and hold him off. But he was working very hard, he had multiple just basically hustle offensive board finishes, he drew a charge. He was a determined Boogie. Drew a charge. In the latter stages of the third, he and Rudy finally clicked together and poured it on as we mounted our comeback and finally started playing like a cohesive unit again -- up until that point even if we'd won you would have said it was one bad team beating another. He missed 2 FTs we could have used at the close of the 3rd, but when the Lakers came back down the other way smushed Sacre's last second attempt. Came through down the stretch as well, after a timeout in the midquarter scored on a post move, then next time down the floor slammed in for a drawn foul and hit both FTs. Came up with a good challenge on Hill on the next possession, made a beautiful pass out of the double to Collison curring to make the lead 8 again with 3:30 to go, and took two charges including a big one on Kobe at the 2:30 mark to get us the ball back up 6. Finished up with a beautiful up under and reverse dunk at the 1:15 mark, and just in general gave us the full on superstar center treatment in this one. Playing with great determination right now, but its too bad this Golden State matchup had to be on back to back. Would have loved to have seen him get a clean shot at Golden State sans Bogut. Anyway, you really can't ask for more than we're getting out of Boogie since coming back, both on and off the court. --Brick

Stats: 38min 23pts (10-18, 2-9, 1-2) 8reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 5TO
McLemore ( B ) -- Ben was well on his way to an A game tonight. He had the task of locking down an aging superstar, and was doing a pretty good job of it. He forced Kobe into lots of bad shots, and Kobe happily obliged by taking lots of bad shots. Ben was only credited woth one steal, but he forced at least four more turnovers by bodying Kobe up on the perimeter and staying down on pump fakes. On offense, he had a nice, efficient night, going 10 of 18 for 23 points. He didn't have a freat night from outside the arc, but finished some tough looks inside and had an exciting breakaway dunk over Kobe that made someone in the front office squeee a bit. Really, though, he got so many open looks because he was the safety valve when teams would double Gay or Cousins. He lost a full letter grade due to sloppiness down the stretch, but still a big positive for the night. --Hadlowe

Stats: 40min 19pts (7-13, 2-4, 3-5) 0reb 3ast 2stl 0blk 3TO
Collison ( B ) -- back into his more comfortable 3rd (or in this case even 4th) banana role, and really not having to match up with anybody. Early in the game threw up an excuse me 26ft three when the clock was running down and nobody was moving to get open, then darted in for a layup. Good ball movement let him hit that corner three he normally can hit. Back in and drew a charge after a couple of really aggressive Ben takes as the starters restored order. In the mid third slammed into Price fullspeed on the break and threw it up as he crashed to the floor, hitting the shot but laying on the floor for several minutes before getting up. Maybe he learned the drama angle from Kobe, because all he did after popping back up was hit the FT to complete the 3pt play, then follow that with a quick pullup. Most disappointing stretch might have been in the early 4th when we briefly went with a tinyball DC/McCallum backcourt, nad they proceeded to dart up and down the court chucking up long threes like idiots. Also leapt in the air on the baseline and threw the ball away for a tough turnover. Sometimes its possible to be too fast Left a better impression to close the game though as he made a smart cut at the 3:30 mark as his man left him to go double Cuz, Cuz saw it, DC cut, and Cuz hit him perfectly with the pass for the layup. Nicely executed. Was not a wondrous night, but like Rudy and Ben, an efficient one playing off of the big guy. And unlike Rudy and Ben, nobody he guarded did much of anything. --Brick
 
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Bench

Stats: 17min 4pts (1-3, 0-0, 2-2) 5reb 0ast 0stl 1blk 1TO
Landry ( C ) -- struggling to control the defensive boards after getting in early for JT and never did seem to grab one cleanly, but at least he was scrapping for them. Barely got to play in his first stint. Got one easy little dunk off a nice pass from Rudy on the move, and then committed a blatant offensive foul ramming his elbow into Sacre's middle for his 2nd, then the next time down the floor quickly picked up his third. Now I'm not exactly sure why we are saving Carl Landry's fouls, but in any case he was out of the game just that quick. Got a much longer stint in the second half, spotting in for Cuz, then filling in for JT. Did precious little with it as we got very little out of the position, and Carl's quiet December (averaging 6.8pts 3.6reb on the month) continued. --Brick

Stats: 7min 2pts (0-1, 0-1, 2-2) 4reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Evans ( C ) -- in the game late in the first and immediately drew a foul while 2 Lakers were trying to hold him off the offensive baords and he got the board anyway. Good hustle save in the far corner of a Ben bricked three, but then spun and threw up his own three as he thought the shotclock didn't reset. Doing his rebounding thing, but also his non-scoring thing. Took his time and hit 2 FTs to close his night. grade is a test of what to do with a guy who does exactly what he is supposed to, and doesn't do exactly what he is supposed to. Thing is, even when alongside Cousins out there we weren't scoring during his watch. Now mostly I think that was on our awful bench perimeter people, but having a non-offensive PF probably didn;t help. Did not play in the second half. --Brick

Stats: 6min 0pts (0-0, 0-0, 0-0) 0reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Hollins ( D+ ) -- Ryan Hollins was not having his best night with the Lakers. Except for fouling he was not able to create much more. He was not effective in either end of the court and the Lakers smaller players rebounded over him without a problem. The plus came for dealing with Boozer in the first quarter.--Kingston

Stats: 11min 0pts (0-3, 0-3, 0-0) 2reb 2ast 1stl 0blk 0TO
McCallum ( C- ) -- well...Ray got to play this time as the backup PG. And...well, it went pretty much like most of his other attempts at the job have. Which is to say empty minutes. Was initially doing a good defensive job, then got caught on a pick and let Lin just race right down the paint. Got his one highlight of the night as he combined with Cousins to take the ball away from Lin, and then led the break with a behind the back escape dribble and pass ahead. Was playing too fast when he returned to start the 4th, chucked up a quick three, and contributed to the whole team running up and down the court randomly throwing up shots, putting a big goofy grin on Vivek's face. Still leaving the argument at "well, I'm not Sessions." --Brick

Stats: 5min 0pts (0-1, 0-1, 0-0) 1reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Stauskas ( INC ) -- I am going to be charitable and give Stauskas no grade tonight for his 8 minutes of zero contribution. --Hadlowe

Stats: 16min 5pts (2-5, 0-1, 1-1) 2reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 0TO
Williams ( C ) -- Derrick Williams entered the game in the beginning of the second quarter. Although he was able to make 3 attempts, missing them all, in just about 5 minutes, he finally scored on a fast break after receiving a great pass from Ray. However, a bit slow return to defense allowed Nick Young to score immediately in the other end. Until that moment he didn’t seem to be part of the game and was sort of cruising around without really getting involved in the game and that continued until Rudy Gay replaced him 5.5 minutes to the end of the quarter. The fourth quarter was similarly uneventful for Derrick except for the one very nice rebound followed by a made layup plus a made free throw. However, most of the time Derricks presence was hardly felt. The lack of activity for long periods of time was the major reason that hurt Derricks score despite the reasonable stats line.--Kingston
 
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I guess an underwhelming performance gets an underwhelming response on kingsfans. In the 2nd quarter the Lakers looked exactly like the Bucks did against us. It was crossover-step back-hand in the face jump shots galore and they all went in. EXTREMELY biased officiating also made quite a few appearances throughout the night. Ben was balling HARD. When you look at the game on a quarter by quarter basis we played really well in quarters 1, 3, and 4. I'm ready to spew venom at anyone wearing 7akers memorabilia.
 
wow...looking at those minutes played from the starters; Collison 40, Gay 38, Cousins 37 and Ben 38 that's not going to work for the long haul...they will run out of gas real fast here and in return we will see a lack of defense.
 
No poll for me as don't really know and Plumlee isn't going anywhere from multiple inputs on Twitter.

With McCallum emerging and Omri due in the next game tomorrow night, the bench might just be ready to take a step up to hopefully start giving the starters some R&R. Being without Cuz for 10 now having the monster man back will take a game or 3 more to get back in the swing of things. Plus don't know how Corbin will deal with the rotation yet as that will take awhile too.

Bench and starters finally woke up in 4th to play like they should. Interesting combo playing down the stretch: Cuz, DWill, Ben, Collison and Ray or Rudy.
 
No poll for me as don't really know and Plumlee isn't going anywhere from multiple inputs on Twitter.

With McCallum emerging and Omri due in the next game tomorrow night, the bench might just be ready to take a step up to hopefully start giving the starters some R&R. Being without Cuz for 10 now having the monster man back will take a game or 3 more to get back in the swing of things. Plus don't know how Corbin will deal with the rotation yet as that will take awhile too.

Bench and starters finally woke up in 4th to play like they should. Interesting combo playing down the stretch: Cuz, DWill, Ben, Collison and Ray or Rudy.
Nik, Williams, and Ray are still young and can make for a loyal and solid bench unit in a few years and for a few years.
 
All I can say, it thank god for DeMarcus Cousins! What a beastly machine!

What an ugly game this is and I am still to see the more uptempo play that hierarchy is looking for.
 
I guess an underwhelming performance gets an underwhelming response on kingsfans. In the 2nd quarter the Lakers looked exactly like the Bucks did against us. It was crossover-step back-hand in the face jump shots galore and they all went in. EXTREMELY biased officiating also made quite a few appearances throughout the night. Ben was balling HARD. When you look at the game on a quarter by quarter basis we played really well in quarters 1, 3, and 4. I'm ready to spew venom at anyone wearing 7akers memorabilia.

Underwhelming? We beat the Lakers. Our 2 guard got the best of the Brave Little Soldier on more than one occasion. Same BLS actually was called for an offensive foul against DMC. Same BLS was actually called for TRAVELING!

I think watching Ben and DeMarcus alone would take this game out of the underwhelming category. The Kings gritted this one out and one after going down by double digits.It's been tough all year for them to get past those kinds of deficits late in the game.

We needed this game - we the fans and we the Kings.
 
Rudy argues a call... instantly T'd up.
Kobe talks **** all game to the refs... free pass with a large side of bail out calls.

Can't wait until Kobe retires. In the meantime I'll just watch him take 30 shots a game and flush that team down the drain.
 
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#Cousins....to big....to strong...to talented
#Mclemore was playing the best game of the season till the 4th quarter where he literally made his worst 5 plays of the season
#Rudy back to doing what he does as Robin
#Collison played solid again....still needs the ball more imo does not get it enough
#JT didn't really notice him good or bad same can be said for Landry and Reggie
#Williams made to 2 key buckets in transition and did nothing to hurt us which is rare
#Ray, if he's going to stay in the rotation with his inability to get into the lane at will has to be a dead eye shooter, made 1 huge steal and that was about it.
#Nik, he ain't ready atm

While the game overall was disappointing you can never be disappointed watching the present and the future of Cousins/Mclemore two fine specimens
 
WE BEAT THE LAKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Random thoughts on the game:

Boogie is back:)
Ben is a bad man!
Corbin is going to play his best guys all he can!
Kobe got the Super Star calls from the Refs.
Swaggy P is pretty good..
I like this Kings team. I hope it is not broken up.
 
wow...looking at those minutes played from the starters; Collison 40, Gay 38, Cousins 37 and Ben 38 that's not going to work for the long haul...they will run out of gas real fast here and in return we will see a lack of defense.

I know in the modern era we like to worry about the poor dears breaking a nail and everything, but Pat Riley's teams wouldn't even have broken a sweat at those minutes. 38-40 is just what you played when you were a major starter.
 
Unimpressive win with some impressive performances. I am really surprised that Cousins has been able to put out the numbers he has in return, but it's obvious that his energy isn't back to where it was. Even though he had 14 rebounds, I saw him watch a lot of balls fall to other guys. His usual tenacity on the boards isn't there right now.

McLemore chucking threes at the end was worrisome. Is that by design or via inexperience? Malone would have addressed that immediately.

Swaggy P is the sort of player that would help the Kings off the bench. Don't hate me for that.

Kobe should be in a Vince Carter/Ray Allen role somewhere, but his contract and ego are too much for that to happen. I am not sure what he's playing for at this point. He got the record he wanted. He's not playing to win. He's just that sociopath in the Lakers lockerroom with all the rings.
 
#Cousins....to big....to strong...to talented
#Mclemore was playing the best game of the season till the 4th quarter where he literally made his worst 5 plays of the season
#Rudy back to doing what he does as Robin
#Collison played solid again....still needs the ball more imo does not get it enough
#JT didn't really notice him good or bad same can be said for Landry and Reggie
#Williams made to 2 key buckets in transition and did nothing to hurt us which is rare
#Ray, if he's going to stay in the rotation with his inability to get into the lane at will has to be a dead eye shooter, made 1 huge steal and that was about it.
#Nik, he ain't ready atm

While the game overall was disappointing you can never be disappointed watching the present and the future of Cousins/Mclemore two fine specimens
Wasn't it you who said that if we traded for Deron Williams, he'd take the ball away from Cousins and Gay too much?

I agree with a lot of your points except the Collison one. I think he will eventually slide over to our 4th scoring option.
 
Wasn't it you who said that if we traded for Deron Williams, he'd take the ball away from Cousins and Gay too much?

I agree with a lot of your points except the Collison one. I think he will eventually slide over to our 4th scoring option.
No it was not, I don't want Williams because he's past his prime, makes like 10 times more than Collison (hell makes more than Cousins) injury prone, can't defend like Collison and lacks the fire he once had, I also don't think Plumelee is good enough (I don't think he's good in general) to warrant us taking on a 20million dollar contract.

To me if Collison had the ball in his hands more to create for others that would dramatically cut down on the turnovers by Cousins/Gay. While this game was not a good example since Cousins did a great job getting to the line and passing out of doubles/triples the Bucks game showed why he needs the ball more. In the Bucks game we had Cousins trying to create from to far away from the basket to often, Collison can get into the lane at will and make defenses collapse (he doesn't do this enough). We don't exploit the fact Collison is almost the fastest guy in the NBA enough and unlike previous Kings PG's he's actually looking to pass more than he's trying to score.
 
Right now Deron Williams and Collison are pretty equal players.

Difference is Deron is on a sharp career downturn while Collison is still improving.

Why take on a massive contract when you have an equal or better player locked up for much much cheaper?

Makes no sense but then again, this front office cares more about attention than winning.
 
Stats: 38min 23pts (10-18, 2-9, 1-2) 8reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 5TO
McLemore ( B ) -- Ben was well on his way to an A game tonight. He had the task of locking down an aging superstar, and was doing a pretty good job of it. He forced Kobe into lots of bad shots, and Kobe happily obliged by taking lots of bad shots. Ben was only credited woth one steal, but he forced at least four more turnovers by bodying Kobe up on the perimeter and staying down on pump fakes. On offense, he had a nice, efficient night, going 10 of 18 for 23 points. He didn't have a freat night from outside the arc, but finished some tough looks inside and had an exciting breakaway dunk over Kobe that made someone in the front office squeee a bit. Really, though, he got so many open looks because he was the safety valve when teams would double Gay or Cousins. He lost a full letter grade due to sloppiness down the stretch, but still a big positive for the night. --Hadlowe

I gotta say that's way too harsh. If anything, he should have AT LEAST a B+ ... even Laker fans were talking about how impressed they were with Ben. I personally would have taken from an A to an A- for his "sloppiness down the stretch" but no further. He worked too hard and did too much right to be penalized that much.
 
No it was not, I don't want Williams because he's past his prime, makes like 10 times more than Collison (hell makes more than Cousins) injury prone, can't defend like Collison and lacks the fire he once had, I also don't think Plumelee is good enough (I don't think he's good in general) to warrant us taking on a 20million dollar contract.

To me if Collison had the ball in his hands more to create for others that would dramatically cut down on the turnovers by Cousins/Gay. While this game was not a good example since Cousins did a great job getting to the line and passing out of doubles/triples the Bucks game showed why he needs the ball more. In the Bucks game we had Cousins trying to create from to far away from the basket to often, Collison can get into the lane at will and make defenses collapse (he doesn't do this enough). We don't exploit the fact Collison is almost the fastest guy in the NBA enough and unlike previous Kings PG's he's actually looking to pass more than he's trying to score.
My mistake! We both have different views on Plumlee, and that's fine.

I actually think a faster uptempo offense would benefit Collison a lot. He's our PG, but sometimes I feel like he waits a little too long before he makes the pass. I've realized some of our plays take A LOT of time to develop. Players are either moving slowly, or they get jammed because of spacing. I think this might be one of the major reasons why the FO wants a faster pace. Imagine if Collison could bring the ball up in the floor in less than 5s, give the ball DL to Cousins for a quick and easy bucket. A lot of our plays just take a while to develop which limits Collison imo.

Collison isn't a great play maker, but I don't think he has to be. Collison is a good PG for our team, but there's a lot of places where he can improve. However, I think that if we can get a better PG, we should.

Just for example, if OKC was crazy enough to put Jackson on the trading block, I'd offer Collison+Nik for Jackson+(SG).

I think the only untouchables on our team are Cousins, Gay, and McLemore.
 
I loved the first quarter. The fast pace on offence and the double teams on Kobe where great. It was like I was watching a real NBA team.

In the second quarter things seemed to slow down. The Lakers offence erupted. I'm not sure but it seemed like Cousins played the whole first half.

Down by ten and win by seven, I'm glad we won.
 
I like this Kings team. I hope it is not broken up.

I hope that PDA, Vivek or whoever is running this FO of confusion takes off some time to rest the frayed nerves. The coach and players have been under a lot of stress, most if not all as a result of the FO's behavior. Let them settle down and let's see how they play.
 
Cousins 9-19 29 pts 14 boards 2 asts 3 blocks 2 steals

Mclemore 10-18 23 pts 8 boards, 1 Kobe poster

Kings 1 beautiful 2nd half close out dominating run

Always a great day when you can say, we beat LA!
 
The Team goes as far as DMC takes it. Nothing wrong with that. But still our one and only efficient offense is posting up Cousins and play off him. Once he is out of the game or the opponent does a good job defending him, we are doomed. It's Rudy ISO or bust at this point.
You almost never see Landry or Thompson rolling to the basket or getting setup in a position, where they only need to finish. You don't See any plays for Ben or Stauskas coming off multiple screens.
Ofc we can beat the Lakers, if they play as selfish as they did. But still this is stagnant, simple and against better teams most likely bad offense resulting in countless turnovers and forced shots.
In a best case scenario we could reach for the 8 spot with this offense, if we play stellar defense again, get to the line a lot. This is just because DMC is one of the most unique talents in the league and not due to the fact, that we are a good Team. After all we are bad, but DMC covers our weakness.
 
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