[Grades] Grades v. Jazz 1/28/12

[Bricklayer]

How's this for a classic Sacramento Kings finish?

Our ball, two down, 10 seconds to go. Reke has been huge all night. IT caught fire and brought us back from the dead in the early 4th. Boogie and Hayes have been taking care of the interior dirty work down the stretch. But of course the stage is set for the hometown hero. We have been playing Jimmer offense/defense in the final couple of minutes trying to set the stage for a Jimmermania hit, and of course because most members of this board could whip John Salmons in a game of 1 on 1 anymore. So the stage is set. A three wins it. Our best three point shooter is Jimmer. After Reke attempts to drive and drop it off to Cousins, and its knocked out of bounds, we inbound under the hoop. Somehow some way the Jazz forget about Jimmer, wide open for a three from the angle..Jimmermania coming!...

...and he airballs it.

Then to make things even better, still down 2, Chuck Hayes flagrant fouls Hayward in the corner, thus slamming the door on any chance we had to win it as the Jazz get the FT and the ball.

AND just to top things off, appears to reinjure his dislocated shoulder in the process.

In 10 seconds we went from well played game/setting up for the tie or win...to Jimmer choking hard in the moment, us losing the game, and probably relosing our PF 1 game after we got him back.

Welcome to Kings basketball. We hope you enjoy your stay.

Theme = Arab Music, By a Non-Fan for Non-Fans.

Boxscore

Salmons ( D+ ) -- well in what qualifies as good news anymore on the Salmons front, he didn't rate an F this time. Actually he very much did for his first half permonace, whihc bordered on embarrassing not only for himself, but for a coaching staff that just refuses to quit playing him. As I mentioned last time out, statisticaly the worst started in the entire NBA. Not one of the, THE. Everybody else as bad as John has been replaced in their respective lineups by other teams. Not us though. We know better. So anyway, just terrible throughout the first half. Was again getting killed on defense as he just can't stay in front of anyone anymore. Turned it over repeatedly. Just nothing. And just kept coming on back off the bench, which just gets really infuriating at a certain point when the other starters are playing pretty well and hard and trying to pull ot the game. We finally got him a couple of hoops on short jumpers in the ealry third of of back to back called plays (or at least it looked like the same play was run both times, called or not). Hurt us one final time when we mysteriously decided to take the ball out of Reke's hands and let John bring it up and initate the offense instead. Result = multiple turnovers and a trip to the bench. Actually I lied, that SHOULD have been the last time he hurt us, but no, he was back again to miss a critical, and wide open, three we neede at the 1:30 mark, whcih directly resulted in us gong offense/defense with him the rest of the way splitting time with Jimmer (Salmons was the "defense" despite showing very limited abilitis on that side anymore). Almost came up with a steal at the 40 second mark which was going to result ina breakway layup to make the lead 1 -- John's chance at redemption!!...but of course its no surprise given the way his, and our, season has gone that the refs blew the whistle and called it a Jazz 24sec violation instead and made us take it out on the side. Best thing that he did was grab a few rebounds, which is normally another area of extreme wekaness, so that was an unexpected bonus. Gordon Hayward is averaging 8.7ppg in a flop of a second season BTW. John comes to town, and its 21 for him and 20 for Miles. Hmm...

Melisma -- first a giant disclaimer: I am neither an expert nor even a fan of Arabic music. In fact you could hardly find a worse guide to the stuff, and if you have any legit interest at all I highly suggest you go find somebody remotely qualified to teach you the basics. To me most of it sounds repulsive and alien, a wailing wavering mess. My knowledge of it results from intellectual curiosity that led me on one of those extensive wikipedia/youtube quests I often go on, nothing more.
Ok, which brings us back to: melisma. What is melisma? Well its one of the things responsible for the characteristic "wail/waver" effect of Arabic music. Melismatic singing (or playing) is the singing of multiple notes per syllable. So for instance instead of singing A-maz-ing Grace as DGBG, one note per syllable, you might string together 4 notes in "maz" by itself. This is actually very similar to what modern R&B artist do (Mariah Carey is credited with popularizing it) with all the "vocal runs"/messing with notes/sounding like they are singing scales stuff. Just in more disciplined fashion.

Thompson ( B ) -- played a strong roleplayer game until losing his focus a bit later in the game and getting replaced by Hayes for most of the stretch run. Again showed just the nice easy chemistry with Reke that only Donte and Cisco (not surpsingly the three guys who've been with him the longest) can rival. Was running the floor from the start and keeping his hands up for guys to hit him. Showed a few more of those solid little backins and tunarounds in the post too, and had 10 very efficient points in the first quarter alone as we hung right with the Jazz. The one place where he didn't get the job done was on the glass, where the mch smaller Mislap was going right over him for boards all night long, and outrebounded him 14-4. Production began to tail as the game went on, and getting a technical arguing a call appeared to irk Smart into handing the sport off to Hayes.

Twice the tones --I am not going to try to explain to you the intricacies of the maqam system, in particular since I don't have a complete grasp on them myself. Suffice it to say that another factor leading to the strange sounding notes of Arabic music to Western ears is that their musis scale includes "quarter notes", and thus it is a 24 tone scale, twice as many as the Western chromatic scale. Now actually there seems to be some debate whether calling it a 24 tone scale is truly accurate, as only some of the tones have quarter tones between them, and the exact intonation of the tones varies between countries (which may explain why it often sounds off key to me), but again me = amateur on this topic, and the generally held 24 tone Arabic system is close enough for our purposes.

Cousins ( B- ) -- Had oddly little to say about the outcome of this game. Was never bad, nor ever particularly good. Was passing well early, and with he and Reke both setting guys up it was a great sign for our offense, today and for the future. Those are the guys who need to run the show, and they were. Seemed to go for every fake BigAl threw in the early going, but overall results against Jefferson were MUCH better than when we faced these guys last year. Offensively was just a little of this a little of that. Jumper was not quite there. There was no concerted inside attack for most of the game. Even took an early three from the corner for some reason. Began to get the power game going a little in the final minutes before half but lost that momentum during halftime. Down the stretch of the game he and Hayes began to win the dirty work battles inside. Not dominate. But just come up with most of the boards we needed, to set good screens, get hands on balls on defense etc. At the 30 second mark made one final nice pass to Reke on the backdoor work along the baseline to get us back within 1.

Farid Al Attrach, 1st of the "Great Four" -- Arabic music has/had a generally recognized "Great Four" performers who became legends during the modernization period of the 50's-70's esepcially. Each of them brought something different to the table, and perhaps due to the greater Balkanization of Western music they kind of represent the collective modernization of Arabic music and still hold spots of prestige rather greater than whatever the Western equivalents would be (maybe Elvis + The Beatles in rock or something, or Bing Crosby and Frank Sinatra etc.) Farid would do the movie thing ala a Sinatra, always playing sad lonely romantic types and crooning out long mawals, which are a traditional arabic form of music involving poetic improv.

 

[Bricklayer]

Fredette ( C ) -- back home in front of fans where he is legend, and you could maybe see it in a shakier game than his last few. Left his man open for a three to start the game, but looked like a mysterious scheme thing. Looked shakly in the early going, maybe jitters from the crowd and took a while to get going. Missing his shots and overpenetrating and getting into trouble. Finally hit a three when he got his feet set on the catch and shoot from Reke and had a burst there in the late second quarter. And that was the story of his success yet again -- on catch and shoot threes from Reke, he was 3-3. On everything else he attempted, he was 2-11. I hope he, and we, figure out that formula pretty quick -- its been very consistent ever since he started waking up. He got two drives to go as well, but for the most part it felt like he was really pressing and not willing to just settle for those spotups. Kept on charging into the lane recklessly right into the trees, trying to make something happen. What, I don't know. He's 6'2" and not getting any taller, and again and again he got the ball smushed in there and turned it over. But it did feel like maybe he was pressing because of the crowd. Struggles eventually sent him to the bench, and he sat out almost the whole 4th with IT playing so well. Finally got back into the game in the final minute and a half when Salmons proved -- and I don't know why the coach needs this proven to him game after gamer after game -- that he can't hit an open shot anymore. So we started playing Jimmer on offense and Salmons on defense (not a compliment to Jimmer's defense obviously) hoping to set him up for just that one big jumper we needed to win this one. Adn finally there it was...with les than 10 secods to go, we inbounded the ball from under the Jazz hoop down 2, Earl Watson got caught on the screen and Jimmer was wide open at the three point line as we hit him with the inbounds pass. Everything was set up perfect, his fans would have gone nuts, we win the game...and he airballed the shot. Not even a close airball. Was he fouled? Didn't look like it on the video, but there are some stills saying maybe. But maybe just maybe he flat out choked with all the hometown hero pressure. Whatever it was, his storybrook ending turned sour and we lose. Again. While it may not be the star role his backers were hoping for, the good thing is that we are consistenly seeing him knock down threes as a spot shooter now, and a spot shooter who knocks them down is precisely what's needed to create space for Reke and Cousins. Now if we can just convince him to not try to do things he can't. A little more production in non-scoring categories would be helpful too. Defense remains a problem, and in the last 3 games, totalling 98 minutes, he's grabbed a grand total of 1 rebound. He's small. He's not THAT small.

Abdel Halim Hafez, 2nd of the "Great Four" -- known as "The Dark Skinned Nightengale" he was famed for his patriotic tunes, his voice and for introducing Western influences into Arabic music. A lot of his stuff is more approachable for Western audiences than many other Arabic artists, and his fame reached such a peak in the Arabic world that when he died young at only 47, woemn were actually throwing themselves off balconies and committing suicide at his funeral procession.

Evans ( A ) -- Will the real Tyreke Evans please step forward? Because we want this guy who showed up tonight. It wa superstar Reke again on his way to 31pts 6rebs 9ast 2stl 1blk and a partridge in a pear tree. In the first 20 games of this season he's had about half a dozen of these dominant superstar games, half a dozen Rubio imitations, and half a dozen stinkers. But when he's on, as he was tonight, he is simply the best player on the court. Was consistent with it throughout the game. Was finding people and getting to the line from the beginning of the game and kept his head up looking for his bigs inside and spot up shooters t the three point line. Blew a couple of early layups which was worrisome given the recent shooting woes, but settled in and started to just carve the Jazz defense up. Just for a cherry on top threw in some nice defensive plays too saving several hoops with hustle on the break and blocks from behind (although there were a few mistakes against his own man). Was not perfect -- he dominated this game to the hoop, which is of course the best way to dominate, but the jumper was not on, and we kept on our stuggles with end of quarter plays. Came up with a huge statue of liberty dunk on the break that made all the highlight shows and never slumped off with his game, down the stretch scoring a +1 on a good hustle play to get us within 3, to and then working without the ball to get the goaltending call to get us within 1 and give Jimmer his shot at winning it. Now we just need to figure out how to bottle this Reke. Because with this guy you could win a lot of games.

Mohammed Abdel Wahab, 3rd of the "Great Four" -- a generation older than Abdel Halim Hafez he was a mentor to many of the younger generation of Arabic singers and wrote and composed many of their songs. One of the first Arabic singers to cross over from silent films to singing on film, he was also a Western innovator, and during the course of his career introduced both the waltz and rock and roll rhtyhms to Arabic music.

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Bench

Garcia ( D+ ) -- I have very few notes about our bench performers in this one, because frankly they barely performed at all. Until little IT blew up in the early 4th and brought us back, our bench had scored a collective ZERO points in support. Cisco was part of that, giving us 0pts on 0-4 shooting in his 16+ minutes, and missing wide open threes set up for him by Reke. We just have to find somebody who can and will hit that corner three, because Reke is hitting that pass half 3,4,5 times a game,and we just aren't getting anything out of it. Cisco made a few good defensive plays but we need something more than 0pts 1reb 1ast from our bench guys.

Umm Kulthum, 4th of the "Great Four" -- a woman who's art form and popularity is both understandable and a mystery to Western ears. Blessed with an unparralled voice which supposedly was disciplined enough to hit every one of those 24 notes, her "songs" were not really songs the way we think of thiem in the West. Instead an Umm Kulthum concert typical consited of her singing 3 or 4 songs over the course of FOUR HOURS, with each song consisting of long stretches of singing surrounded by stretches of orchestral music. The term "radio friendly" apparently does not translate into Arabic.

Hayes ( C+ ) -- first...and unfortunately possibly only game back, and Chuck came off the bench. Got right back to his roleplayer ways, although his complete lack of offense was a problem on a night when nobody else on the bench was going to score either. Slapped some balls away, set some picks, adn made a good pass in the early going, but with the offensive impotence (kept getting stuffed at the rim, or rather, below it) we went backward with him in there. Got another shot late in the game though as Jason started to falter, and came on to steady things throughout the 4th. Some good defensive boardwork down the stretch, but at the very end of the game disaster struck as Chuck both ****ed up and maybe killed any last gasp chance we had to win it, and reinjured his shoulder on the same play. Jimmer airballs, the Jazz are trying to inbound it, and Chuck bangs into Hayward for a deadball foul (not a flagrant as I first assumed) giving the Jazz a FT to make their lead 3, and the ball back to boot. Not exactly the veteran saavy you are looking for. And of course to make matters muc worse, the blow, with again was just glancing and on his good shoulder (just like the initial injury) is enough to wrench his bad shoulder and apparently pop it out again. did anybody bother to check this guy's shoulders in the physicals? Or were they so concerend about chasing false heart murmurs they just stopped the exam right then? I bang into people on New York's strets while walking to work harder than Chuck has been hit on these blows that keep popping his shoulder out.

Fairuz -- and coming into the more modern era, a woman who is sometimes mentioned in the same breath as the "Great Four" is the Lebanese singer Fairuz, widely considered the most famous living Arabic singer. More modern (somewhat, she is 76 now) and more approachable than the Great Four, and language barriers aside, you can hear the voice in the above clip. Should also be noted, she is a Catholic, and her popularity in the Arabic world is thus considered a bit of a religious bridge.

 

[Bricklayer]

Thomas ( B ) -- did nothing in the first half as part of our punchless bench, but suddenly emerged as a major story in this one int he 4th quarter as he caught fire and just exploded to 13 points in about 5 minutes. Appears to maybe be amjor streak shooter, as the guy shooting 30% on teh year and less than that on threes drained three of them in a row, and added in several drives for good measure to keep us in touch and pull us back into the game after we were fading. Cooled back down afterwards and never did anything much but score, but the scoring was critical to why we made this one close. Raced out on a beak late in the game, and got chased down from behind and blocked by Harris, but Reke was there to clean it up and get the +1.

Oud -- the fat guitar looking thingie with the weird bent neck is the oud, one of the traditional instruments of the takht, which is kind of the basic musical ensemble of Arabic music. Think guitars/bass/drums in rock.

Hickson ( D ) --played poorly, there is no two ways about it, and it cost him many of his minutes as we used Hayes and spotted in Donte. Grabbed a few boards but was just sloppy, taking ugly shots, and getting nothgin accomplished.

Ney -- I don't have space here to go through all the takht instruments, but here's a another one you have probably seen -- the ney, or end blown flute. Looks kind of like they are smoking a peace pipe. Its one fo the more ancient instruments on Earth, with exmaples of them being exacavated in Ur from 5000 years ago.

Greene ( C- ) -- perhaps pinned to the bench as much by his coach's smallball poisoning at the hand of Nellie as he is by any other player in the SF mix. When he did finally get in after watchign Salmons stink it up again, immediately dove full out on the floor going for a loose ball. Such a nice contrast. Finally back in late in the third...for JJ Hickson as Smart may not be that smart when it comes to positions and just sees height. Struggled to defend the Jazz bigs while stuck there. Missed a threel and got blocked at the rim to start the 4th, and as punchless as the rest of our bench.

Cairo -- why Cairo? Because its long been perhaps the biggest center for modern Arabic music and the most vibrant music scene in the Arabic world. All of the Great Four were born in or associated with it, and many modern Arabic music trends originate there. If you want to grab you oud and go be somebody, Cairo's a good place to start.

 

[rainmaker]

This calls for girls.

 

[Spok22]

Cousins has no business acting like a whiny little $#@!. If he doesn't get the fouls let it go.

Jimmer was fouled on the last play.

Refs were horrible.

Eff Salmons.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

This calls for girls.

Too close for girls. In the spirit of last night, though, how about Most Disappointing TV Show Series Finales

I have the first nominee... .

 

[VF21]

Re the poll: I had to go with Salmons swishing the three. I couldn't in good conscience vote for anyone who had at least shown effort.

 

[Npliam]

Cousins has no business acting like a whiny little $#@!. If he doesn't get the fouls let it go.

Jimmer was fouled on the last play.

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The airball?

 

[ParniValjak]

Cousins has no business acting like a whiny little $#@!. If he doesn't get the fouls let it go.

Jimmer was fouled on the last play.

Refs were horrible.

Eff Salmons.

Don't agree that Jimmer was fouled. Even if he is a star in this league, he would not get the call. The ball left the hand and was well on the way when Watson grazed his arm. Nothing in it! We just flat out choked!

 

[rainmaker]

Cousins has no business acting like a whiny little $#@!. If he doesn't get the fouls let it go.

Jimmer was fouled on the last play.

Refs were horrible.

Eff Salmons.

I watched Jimmers shot in slow mo a few times, and it looks like he might have been hit about 3 inches below his wrist, if true. Can't tell for sure though. Won't get that call though. Few, if any do.

 

[SacTownKid]

I would add Rekes drive to "win the game" to the list of choices. He completely created a terrible opportunity and last ditch tried to dump it down to Cousins and it was pure luck the Kings even got the ball back. Totally unclutch right there.

 

[VF21]

I strongly lobby for Salmons missed three. If he had made that shot, the whole outcome would have most likely been much more fortuitous AND Hayes might not have re-injured his shoulder. It is, therefore, ALL Salmons' fault.

 

[Larry89]

Is there a light at the end of the tunnel? Am I stuck in a infinite vacuum of space near a black hole where I shall spend all infinity?

 

[Section 101]

it wasn't a flagrant on Hayes. It was one shot and the ball for fouling before the ball was inbounded.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Tough loss. Some folks will blame Jimmer but if the bench doesn't play like trash it doesn't come down to needing a game winning three. Still, that sucked that he air balled it. Bet he'll remember that one for awhile. Also, major bummer if Hayes is out again. Could have been 7 and 13 tonight instead they're 6 and 14. This team is now just a few losses away from another wasted season. Oh well, maybe they finally get that #1 pick. Yeah, right...

 

[Bricklayer]

I would add Rekes drive to "win the game" to the list of choices. He completely created a terrible opportunity and last ditch tried to dump it down to Cousins and it was pure luck the Kings even got the ball back. Totally unclutch right there.

that's a nicely consistent way to try to keep the blame on Reke no matter who else ****s up, but unfortunately for that narrative that play didn't actually hurt us as we kept the ball, it wasn't an easy play that should have been made like the threes or rebounds, and frankly it looked designed to get Cousins the ball anyway.

 

[SacTownKid]

that's a nicely consistent way to try to keep the blame on Reke no matter who else ****s up, but unfortunately for that narrative that play didn't actually hurt us as we kept the ball, it wasn't an easy play that should have been made like the threes or rebounds, and frankly it looked designed to get Cousins the ball anyway.

Yeah, by luck. It wasn't an easy play and that's the point, it was a BAD play. Took it in on a team packing the paint. It was tunnel vision all the way to the rack, no question. I like the confidence but it's the same thing that has hurt this team time and time again, and that's coming from someone supporting Reke during time of major bashing. It was a bad call on his part pure and simple. Somebody asked Smart about that play after the game and he kind of shrugged it off in a way that sounded like that wasn't what he wanted.

 

[Kings Faithful]

Yeah, that play from Tyreke at the end was actually a good idea for this reason... IT WAS A PLAY. It wasn't him running in and chucking up a impossible layup. It was a good decision that just wasn't executed right.

On another note, Salmons D on Hayward and Miles was atrocious. Not that I expected anything better. I'm sick and tired of those close to the Kings organization saying that Salmons is disappointed in his play and is doing everything in his power to get back on track. I just can't believe those statements when I see his lazy *** slugging around out there. Being cold offensively is one thing, walking up and down the court, jogging after loose balls (Remember how he got thieved in the back court?), is unacceptable.

 

[Bricklayer]

Yeah, by luck. It wasn't an easy play and that's the point, it was a BAD play. Took it in on a team packing the paint. It was tunnel vision all the way to the rack, no question. I like the confidence but it's the same thing that has hurt this team time and time again, and that's coming from someone supporting Reke during time of major bashing. It was a bad call on his part pure and simple. Somebody asked Smart about that play after the game and he kind of shrugged it off in a way that sounded like that wasn't what he wanted.

In the end, whatever it was it didn't hurt us and didn't effect the outcome.

 

[SacTownKid]

In the end, whatever it was it didn't hurt us and didn't effect the outcome.

I totally disagree. After that play happened you could kind of feel, the "oh, that was it?" from both sides and at that point instead of 16 seconds to make a play you have 8.

 

[Bricklayer]

I totally disagree. After that play happened you could kind of feel, the "oh, that was it?" from both sides and at that point instead of 16 seconds to make a play you have 8.

You obviosuly put a lot more stock into a fairly garden variety misfire than anybody else. We had plenty of time left. We got the open three point shot to win it even, still with penty of time left. It was pretty irrelevant.

 

[CruzDude]

Interior defense was mucho improved. Pts in paint Kings 54. Jazz 46. Stats virtually same across the board, ast-TO-FG, etc. Good overall game especially fm Nugget and Griz games. I liked it.

 

[ElRey]

any word on Chuck Hayes?

 

[Kings Faithful]

Interior defense was mucho improved. Pts in paint Kings 54. Jazz 46. Stats virtually same across the board, ast-TO-FG, etc. Good overall game especially fm Nugget and Griz games. I liked it.

Interior D might be improved from last game...but i wouldn't call it improved since the beginning of the season. Its pretty hard to not improve over that last game.

 

[King Baller]

Besides IT the bench was ZERO for TWELVE!!!! What the ____!!! Garcia, Hayes, Hickson and Greene missed every shot??? They played a combined 56 minutes.

Tyreke was great, the rest of the starters played well and IT was superb

But the bench 0 for 12 in 56 minutes???

KB

 

[pshn80]

Certainly a great improvement over that last game. I did give some hope. There were a lot more positives than negatives in the last minutes. And we had a couple of good shots at the win that we didn't convert. It was there. Go Kings!!!!!

 

[The_Jamal]

You obviosuly put a lot more stock into a fairly garden variety misfire than anybody else. We had plenty of time left. We got the open three point shot to win it even, still with penty of time left. It was pretty irrelevant.

You're forgetting the golden rule that every loss is Tyreke's fault. Even though he put up 31 9 6 on 60% shooting, that play alone is why we lost

 

[ParniValjak]

Besides IT the bench was ZERO for TWELVE!!!! What the ____!!! Garcia, Hayes, Hickson and Greene missed every shot??? They played a combined 56 minutes.

Tyreke was great, the rest of the starters played well and IT was superb

But the bench 0 for 12 in 56 minutes???

KB

I am not expecting Hayes to provide the scoring punch, especially in a 1st game since 2-3 weeks ago. What I expect him to bring to the game he brought it! Good solid D with some flashed of great D, rebounding and setting up some nice screens to free up others.

But you are right about the rest of them....terrible! Greene I though also played well in limited minutes even though he missed his 2 shots but he was a positive presence out there. That dive for a lose ball as soon as he came in is what you want from him.

JJ was terrible. He is a blackhole who actually does not have an offensive game outside of putbacks and garbage points.

I have been in favour of starting Reke and Thornton together but since our bench is just so "meh" offensively, I would consider bringing him off the bench as an instant offence gunner who plays a lot of minutes. Might balance us out better. Jimmer gets most of his points off the kick outs but off the bench you probably need someone who can create for himself as well as play off others.

 

[King Baller]

I am not expecting Hayes to provide the scoring punch, especially in a 1st game since 2-3 weeks ago. What I expect him to bring to the game he brought it! Good solid D with some flashed of great D, rebounding and setting up some nice screens to free up others.

But you are right about the rest of them....terrible! Greene I though also played well in limited minutes even though he missed his 2 shots but he was a positive presence out there. That dive for a lose ball as soon as he came in is what you want from him.

JJ was terrible. He is a blackhole who actually does not have an offensive game outside of putbacks and garbage points.

I have been in favour of starting Reke and Thornton together but since our bench is just so "meh" offensively, I would consider bringing him off the bench as an instant offence gunner who plays a lot of minutes. Might balance us out better. Jimmer gets most of his points off the kick outs but off the bench you probably need someone who can create for himself as well as play off others.

You are right Hayes and Greene contributed in other ways as you point out. Hayes was really favoring the arm, almost appeared to be playing one armed at times. Its really sad he injured it again.

KB

 

[Merdiesel]

Win or lose tonight, at least we were competitive. Thats really all I care about at this point. Keep it close in the 4th and well end up with a couple W's. Nice effort tonight guys!