[Grades] Grades v. Jazz 1/27/2014

Did you like Malone's late game tactics?

  • Yes! Never say die! Fight to the end! Be like Theus!

    Votes: 36 85.7%
  • No. Have a little class. Let the kids play. Respect the game.

    Votes: 6 14.3%

  • Total voters
    42
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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1) Please please PLEASE hurry back Boogie and Rudy. The first game without you was amusing. They have grown progressively worse. this one was borderline unwatchable.

2) When we lost Isaiah to "stomach problems" (and indeed he was barely there anyway) we were down all 3 of the big three, and I never want to have to see that out there again. What are the odds I wonder? Yes, we've been nearly injury free, except for the scarily incompetent looking ghost of Landry, but now we finally suffer some losses and boom, boom, boom, they target exactly the only three guys on our team that really matter?

3) going to have a poll on this. After an ugly ugly boring game, Coach Malone resorted to trying to cheap out a game here. I didn't like it. I'll tear your liver out to win something, but once I got past my immature start a fight everytime I lost phase, I try to lose with class. We didn't, and turned the late game into a mockery while also denying both sides' kids the chance to actually play a little basketball.

So anyway, thank you JT for showing up. Most of the rest of the positives, such as they wee were in deep garbagetime, stretching endlessly as we chased rookies from the game with intentional fouls. No fun.

By all rights this should be Girls. As it was I don't want to sully any lovely ladies with association with this mess. For no reason but whim VF21 suggested a mythology theme in another thread. Why not. I know that off the cuff, and I'll aim for perverse. So...Vile Myths. Perverse Myths? Colorful Myths let's say. In the modern world we protect our dear little children against any signs of real life, and worry Disney Cartoons might bruise their helpless little psyches. Well, the old civilizations laugh at our wimpiness. Their stories were fun.

Your Consoritum Graders tonight:
Bricklayer
Uncia03
Henkel
Rainmaker
sdballer


Boxscore

Stats: 24min 10pts (3-9, 2-3, 2-2) 2reb 0ast 1stl 0blk 0TO
Outlaw ( D ) -- Outlaw survives an even more abysmal grade by first being Travis Outlaw -- I don't expect much. And second by virtue of hitting back to back threes late in the third quarter that briefly gave us the illusion the game wasn't entirely over yet. But the rest of the game was, how shall we say: not good. Got the start at SF, but from the beginning of the game most of what he was doing was just dumb 1 on 1 type of stuff that maybe MAYBE Travis Outlaw could casually do while horsing around in an YMCA game. 1 on 1 turnaround fallaways etc. Come on. And they were roughly as successful as you might have guessed. He did get a pair of FTs after he catapulted a wild drive off the glass so hard he got his own rebound and got fouled. Combined his offensive struggles (a good chunk of his struggles being he was being thrown the ball on the wing like he was Rudy Gay and just going to create his own shot) with that same terrible tendency to just drift off three point shooters in the corner and never recover in time. So many of our guys do that it just has to be scheme related, but for the life of me I can't imagine what is so important in a defensive scheme that you routinely give up wide open short corner threes in order to accomplish it. --Brick
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Volsunga Saga -- see if you can follow this: In this Norse/Icelandic epic saga, a woman named Signy is married to an evil King named Siggeir (we'll just call him King S from here on out to avoid confusion). Well, King S decides that he has been insulted by his wife's brother, Sigmund. So he invites her entire family over to dinner, and has his men slaughter her father and capture all 9 of her brotehrs, including Sigmund. King S then proceeds to let his shapeshifting mother eat each one of the brothers until only Sigmund is left. Sigmund though survives by biting King S's mothers' tongue off and causing her to bleed to death. Got it so far? Cool. So then King S and Signy have 2 sons...both of whom Signy, great mom that she is, sends into the woods where Sigmund has been hiding every since escaping, so that he can test their courage. When they fail, she has him kill them as cowards. Oh, and then, to top matters off, she eventually goes into the woods, has an incestuous relationship with her brother, and their resulting son eventually grows up, and joins his father/Signy's brother in killing King S. I hear the Disney version of that lovely tale is coming soon.

Stats: 38min 17pts (5-13, 1-2, 6-8) 15reb 2ast 0stl 1blk 2TO
Williams ( B- ) -- well first of all note the big rebounding number here. that is a little deceptive as to impact, but it was really notable in this one how hard he was coming back to crash the defensive boards. He's often been kind of a weenie about that this year, but he was big on the night and 15rebs is one off his career high. Of course part of that may have been because tonight he got the start at PF, not SF (we shifted JT to center, started Outlaw a SF), but we've seen him often overwhelmed on the boards at the PF slot. Not tonight. And most of them were d-boards too, which despite the spectacular nature of offensive boards, are often the more important, certainly to your ability to stop the opponent. The problem was on the other end of the floor we could get nothing going, and that included DWill, who looked spectacular and out of control at the same time with big athletic slashes to the rim...into heavy traffic, losing the ball etc. he and Outlaw took turns trying high high difficulty Durant/LeBron type 1 on 1 moves. Turnaround fallaway jumpers and the like. it didn't go well. What he did do was always spectacular -- big dunks, a nice shovel pass to a cutting Thornton etc., but overall it looked like he was flailing. And on defense he was again another King who just kept on leaving the Jazz's forwards alone out at the three point line. Seems an odd strategy given that that's all they can do. Didn't hate this performance, but certainly nowhere near enough to carry us and not at all as strong as a 15reb game should be. --Brick
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Kali -- look, Kali is the goddess of destruction in Hindu mythology. She is supposed to be a badass. She is supposedly the mate of Shiva, the supreme god of the pantheon, but she kills him a lot. He comes back of course because he's the top dog, but still, if my woman kept on killing me I think it would grow tiresome after awhile and I might look elsewhere. Especially if she was blue, had four arms, fangs, and a tendency to run around with her tongue hanging out. Anyway, Kali also has this nasty tendency to drink the blood of her enemies, and on one occasion got so drunk on blood after slaughtering a whole field full of enemies that Shiva was worried she was going to destroy the whole world and had to throw himself down in front of her to stop it. Talk about high maintenance.

Stats: 28min 19pts (7-10, 0-0, 5-6) 11reb 1ast 0stl 2blk 1TO
Thompson ( A- ) -- With all of the noise surrounding our big 2 injuries and our little third's role for the future, JT has slowly been putting together a more than solid stretch of games. Tonight was another step in the right direction as he clearly came to play in an otherwise crappy game. (Sorry, had to get at least one toilet joke in). At this point in his career, it's clear what JT is and isn't but showing up consistently like this would be a huge plus for the team. In the last 2 weeks, he's averaging 10pts, 9reb and 1 block a game with great efficiency and good d. Even with a lack of offensive options tonight, JT hit his shots (including tough ones that showed some skill), rebounded as the sole Kings big to get minutes, and played decent d on the Jazz young bigs. They put up decent stats but as the only big guy actually getting minutes, I think he did what he could to stop the bleeding. He had foul issues but that happens when you decide to prolong one of the most pathetically watchable games of all time. If he was a better weak side shot blocker, he'd be the perfect compliment to Cuz but at worst he's a very good 3rd big. --sdballer
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Hercules -- well, there's another dumb looking sanitized Holywood movie about him out now, so why not. And cartoons, and that TV series and... Well, Hercules is certainly the sort of uber-hero where you can't easily tell how many stories originally surrounded him, and how many got added later. But one thing that we do know that you won't ever find out watching a Disney cartoon or Kevin Sorbo is that the Hercules of mythology was borderline insane. Sometimes more than borderline. No whitebread stereotyped save the world hero was he. This was a hero who in a fit of madness slew his own children (and in some versions wife). He acquired his second wife by murdering her father and brothers. In a fit of remorse he agreed to become a slave to his third wife, and dressed in women's clothes for a year doing women's work. When he wasn't killing things of course. Quite the whitebread hero.

Stats: 32min 11pts (5-15, 0-6, 1-3) 3reb 2ast 1stl 0blk 0TO
Thornton ( ) -- --Rain

Stats: 25min 10pts (4-13, 0-2, 2-2) 2reb 6ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Thomas ( D ) -- After watching the game for a few minutes I thought that all the minutes and the back-to-back had caught up with IT. He was playing pretty lethargic basketball and seemed to lack the pep in his step that he normally brings to the court. It turned out that though he might have been a bit worn down due to the minutes/back-to-back he was also suffering from a stomach issue which ultimately had him leave in the 3rd quarter never to return. IT apparently gutted it out, but unfortunately his performance on the floor wasn’t that great, and he might have been better off if he’d just sat next to Rudy for the entirety of this one. IT basically did one thing right the entire game. And that was making some nice passes while not turning the ball over. In particular he played the PnR with JT to great effect. The Jazz PnR defense was awful and it allowed IT easy passing lanes to JT on the roll, where JT did a good job finishing. In fact, IT should have run that play more often than he did. He also made a great half-court pass to JT, as well as a few drive-and-kick outs. The problem was that he didn’t spend enough time creating for his teammates. From a shooting stand-point you could tell something was wrong because IT threw a lot of very high floaters at the rim tonight. Typically he drives straight into the teeth of the defense and draws a foul or takes a tough shot, but in this game he only really went to the rim once and was fouled. Most of his other drives ended with him making some extremely high floaters, some of which actually went in, but by and large almost all of his shots were short. Because he didn’t get to the free-throw line while being short on most of his shots, he ended with a very inefficient 10 points on 13 shots. Since he wasn’t feeling his shot, he should have played more of the facilitator role which as mentioned he had good success, especially on the PnR. On defense he wasn’t horrible, but he was pretty lucky that Trey missed his open 3pt shots, and there was the usual issue of him getting caught up on screens. One of the more frustrating moments of the game was at the 3:30 mark of the 1st quarter. IT over-helped and went for a steal which he didn’t get. The ball got kicked out to Burke who was open and hit the 3pt shot. IT immediately went down the court and tried to get those points back by taking a quick 3pt shot that he missed. He then tried to get the offensive rebound and fouled Hayward in the process, sending him to the line because they were over the limit. When the 3rd quarter started the game was tied, and IT was just out there, but not doing anything at all. He wasn’t shooting, he wasn’t creating. All he was doing was bringing it up the court then passing it off. I don’t have any notes on him at all till 6 minutes had passed in the 3rd. From there he missed a couple of shots, had an assist, and then 2 minutes later left the court for good. So for IT, it was basically what we’ve been seeing from him with Cousins and Rudy out. He had great success finding good shots for his teammates and he would have been much better served if he’d done that more often, rather than putting up his own shots at an extremely inefficient rate.--Uncia
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The Myth of Tanatalus -- perhaps you are familiar with the fate of Tantalus. He is the guy fated to stand in a pool of water in hell, with a fruit tree dangling fruit over his head. But whenever he stoops to drink, the water recedes, and whenever he reaches for the fruit, the branches pull upward out of his reach. Thus he's cursed with eternal thirst and hunger and frustration. Hence the source of our word "tanatalize". But how'd he get like that? What was he punished for? Well, turns out Tantalus was a King, and he was having the gods over to dinner. So of course he wanted to impress them with numerous sacrifices...including as it turns out his own son Pelops, who he first sacrificed, and then boiled up and had served to the gods as the main course. The gods weren't amused.

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Bench

Stats: 25min 14pts (6-12, 1-5, 1-1) 9reb 2ast 0stl 0blk 3TO
McLemore ( ) -- --Rain

Stats: 20min 2pts (0-0, 0-0, 2-2) 3reb 0ast 0stl 2blk 0TO
Acy ( D ) -- Despite the numbers he was at least productive in the first half. Not a great defender but once again providing solid effort. Was doing his best to challenge inside and managed to block one of Burke's drives. Had a impressive sequence grabbing back to back tough offensive boards. Threw in a decent face up move, using his strength and quick first step to draw the foul. Nothing spectacular, but he manage to play decent defense while grabbing a few boards as part of a bench unit that kept things competitive. Came back in mid way through the third with the game in a precarious position. Despite the low bar Outlaw had just set wasn't able to provide anything. Late on rotations and out of position on the perimeter as the Jazz started to heat up from deep. Ended up getting a few minutes at the center spot as part of a nightmarish small ball lineup. Quickly and mercifully replaced by JT. He got back in late for the hack anything that moves strategy. I hope the NBA finds a way to legislate that crap out of the game. I don't have any good argument against it besides that it makes for a miserable viewing experience. Solid early followed up with a terrible second half, which basically mirrored the team overall.--Henkel
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Coyote -- one of the most famous Natve American gods/spirits was Coyote, the trickster. Coyote stories stretch across hundreds of tribes all across North America (maybe south too, I'm not sure). Which probably had squaws putting deadbolts on their teepee flaps, because you see Coyote was a big time perv. He's often depicted as having genitalia so large they need to be carried in a separate pack. in one myth he transforms himself into a baby in an attempt to sleep with a mother, but forgets to shrink his genitalia when he does so. He has incest with his mother-in-law and his daughter. He tricks his younger brother so he can sleep with his wife. Did I mention he's a perv?

Stats: 6min 0pts (030, 0-0, 0-0) 3reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Gray ( F ) -- Didn't get the start tonight presumably because Malone didn't want to match JT up with Marvin Williams on the perimeter. Started things off decently enough with a nice pass to outlaw, unfortunately it was down hill from there. He was getting his butt kicked by Kanter. On the other end turned it over and threw up a ugly shot off a rare post up attempt. A short run as Malone decided to give Landry a shot at slowing Kanter down. Got back in early in the fourth with the game already out of hand. Ugly couple of minutes. Had his shot blocked, a illegal screen, and a badly missed put back in a handful of possessions. That was enough for the coach and he was right back on the bench for the remainder of the game. Wasn't able to match up athletically with Utah's big guys and despite his limited role offensively found a way to be a detriment. --Henkel
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Narcissus -- here's a good one for word sourcing. Narcissus was supposed to be a beautiful youth in Greek mythology (and remember, this is the Ancient Greeks we are talking about, boys can often be more "beautiful" than girls as far as they are concerned). First of all, a nymph named Echo falls in love with his beauty and starts following him, but he rejects her, so she flees off to fade away in lonely places until only her voice is heard. Hence the origin of our word "echo". Well, the goddess of revenge hears about this, and the goddess of revenge's name is? Nemesis of course. Hence, again, the origin of our word. Well she hears about Narcissus being mean to Echo, and as revenge she tricks him into seeing his reflection in a pool of water. Narcissus is so struck by his own beauty that he falls in love with himself and sits making moon eyes at himself staring into the water until he realizes that it is just him, and that he can therefore never possess the object of his affections. So he dies, and we get the words narcissistic and narcissism out of it.

Stats: 19min 8pts (4-8, 0-3, 0-0) 2reb 2ast 1stl 0blk 2TO
Fredette ( ) -- This was a great opportunity for Jimmer to really step it up, especially in front of a lot of fans, and unfortunately he did not rise to the occasion. He got his first opportunity to start the 2nd quarter as the team’s PG. And unfortunately the team’s offense just ground to a halt and allowed the Jazz to take the lead. A lot of times Jimmer comes in looking to pass the ball and set up his teammates before getting shots himself, but in this one he came out firing. He missed his first 2 shots and made his last 2 shots which he took back to back when he saw IT get off the bench to replace him. In that time he only made a single pass that could be interpreted as a PG pass to create a scoring opportunity. It was one of the least-PG outings I’ve seen from him, and a lot of it could have just been because he was playing in front of a lot of fans. He got the early nod in the 3rd quarter when IT went out, but again didn’t take advantage of it. He played 6 minutes of uninspired basketball including 2 turn-overs, one of which he got dribbling the ball off his knee while bringing the ball up against pressure from Lucas III. Malone brought him in for the final 7 minutes of garbage/FT-shooting time and when we could really have used his 50% 3pt shooting he was unable to deliver. He had finally moved his 3pt % up to 50% and finished the night 0-3, and had he made any of them, it could have made the final minute or two a lot more interesting.--Uncia
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Xing Tian -- you think Python's Black Night was tough? Xing Tian was an early Chinese god or giant, who was said to have challenged the ruler of the gods (Tian) for supreme power. He lost, so Tian beheaded him. At which point Xing Tian continued on the fight using his nipples for eyes and his belly button for a mouth. Tough guys, gotta love them.

Stats: 12min 2pts (1-2, 0-0, 0-0) 2reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Landry ( D ) -- Wasn't sure if I should just give him an incomplete since this felt like he was out there to get some rehab minutes and use up some fouls. Was pleased to see he didn't feel the need to keep shooting his way back in to game shape but he really didn't provide anything on offense. In his first couple games back, he showed a lot more rebounding than expected but the last couple of games, he's back to his stubby board-challenged self. His defense also seems to be suffering, particularly the occasional play where his effort seems off. Since his problems have always been skill/physical in nature rather than effort, I think its safe to chalk these challenges up to his health. Doesn't mean his other problems won't be an issue. Either way, he kind of sucked tonight. --Baller
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Leda & the Swan -- hey, in this famous greek myth you get Zeus turning himself into a swan, forcing himself on a woman (Leda) on the same night she was with her husband, resulting in her giving birth to 2 giant eggs out of which sprang twin brothers and twin sisters (one of whom was Helen of Troy). Sweet little fable of bestiality and rape for the kiddies. In some traditions the brothers btw would go on to become the Gemini constellation.

Stats: 10min 6pts (2-5, 0-1, 2-2) 3reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
McCallum ( C ) -- Ray got what was his longest streak of playing time of his professional career. A full 10 minutes of garbage/FT-shooting time while being blown out by the team tied for the worst record in the Western Conference. Ray was the PG for all 10 minutes of this one, and had the ball-bringing-up duties even when Jimmer got back into the line-up. And unfortunately he didn’t show much PG skills in his 10 minutes out there. He didn’t play the pick-n-roll and he didn’t create scoring opportunities with the drive and kick. All of his passes were of the ‘around-the-horn’ variety, and none of them really were creative to set up other teammates. Now the flow of the game was very strange with the ‘hack-a-person’ strategy by Malone, so I don’t know if that killed any offensive rhythm on our team, but he certainly didn’t show much in this stint. What he did do well was play defense and hustle defensively, which was nice to see. He also picked his spots to shoot and did decently, though he did take a pretty bad shot off his own dribble as time was expiring from the right corner. When the Kings finally got the game to with-in 6 points, Malone called a time-out, and from the time-out they ran a play were Ray was supposed to get the ball to Ben in the corner. Unfortunately Ray’s swing pass was a bit slow and low, and Ben couldn’t handle it against the defensive pressure which resulted in a turn-over that essentially ended the game. I’m not certain if Ben would have had time to get the ball off cleanly if Ray had whipped it to him faster, but by-and-large it was a failure of execution. Hopefully he’ll get more minutes and show better play-making in his next stint.--Uncia


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I disagree with the definitions you've given in the poll. I voted Yes because I happen to like a coach who hates to lose, not because I see any resemblance to Reggie Theus.
 
I disagree with the definitions you've given in the poll. I voted Yes because I happen to like a coach who hates to lose, not because I see any resemblance to Reggie Theus.

The master of the 10pt play in the final minutes?

Same ideology. Same immaturity.
 
The master of the 10pt play in the final minutes?

Same ideology. Same immaturity.

Unless memory fails, wasn't it Eric Musselman who loved to call time outs to draw up the miracle 10pt plays?

Regardless, we shall simply have to agree that we disagree.
 
Unless memory fails, wasn't it Eric Musselman who loved to call time outs to draw up the miracle 10pt plays?

Regardless, we shall simply have to agree that we disagree.

Not sure you would be doing Malone any favors if that was the better comparison. :p
 
Well...I can tell by the discussion currently going on in this thread that we wont' see a lot of viewership.

This game was so ugly it's definitely one of those 'Move along....nothing to see here' threads.

Bleh, what an awful game.
 
Not sure you would be doing Malone any favors if that was the better comparison. :p

Just saying I think you meant Musselman if you were talking about the proclivity for calling late game time outs to plot 10pt plays. I still don't agree with you.
 
I guess some basketball is better than no basketball?

That's what I keep telling myself. And it's kinda working.

ish.
 
I doubt Malone would have done it to Pop and San Antonio or several other teams. But this was lowly Utah Jazz and Corbin didn't seem to be insulted. Malone must have thought Jazz were somehow willing to entertain spectacular last couple minute monumental meltdown and actually prove they were more incompetent than his team.
 
Respecting the game, as Brick stated it in the poll, is to play til the final buzzer doing whatever you can within the context of the rules to win the game. Coach Malone and the Kings did just that. I had absolutely no issue with Malone's tactics. None. And it was actually working. A 19-point lead was eventually trimmed to 6 with time left to steal it.

You see the tactic in college ball all the time. Not sure why it is frowned upon in the NBA. By any means necessary, right?
 
Too bad Shaq is not still playing. Malone could practice "Hack a ____" on the original:)

I enjoyed watching the young guys play. I want a scenario to develop where Ray McCallum gets some serious minutes.
 
I doubt Malone would have done it to Pop and San Antonio or several other teams. But this was lowly Utah Jazz and Corbin didn't seem to be insulted. Malone must have thought Jazz were somehow willing to entertain spectacular last couple minute monumental meltdown and actually prove they were more incompetent than his team.

they'd already beaten us.

And aside form replacing his seldom used rookie center, who didn't get to play thanks to Malone, Corbin never reinserted his players who had whipped us. There would have been no "win" even if the we had caught up on the scoreboard.
 
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Mark Jackson does a lot of more awful things that what Malone just did. And Jackson gets praised a lot now.

Let it pass man! And give our coach some slack!
 
At least "Hack-a-____" is a legitimate strategy in the books. At least we're not relying on bad referee calls, super flopping, and 4-point phantom foul plays. Can't handle it? Then hit your free throws and don't make a fuss. If the strategy gets under the other team's skin, then shame on them for lacking the composure of true professionals (herp a derp DeMarcus Cousins blah blah blah).
 
Mark Jackson does a lot of more awful things that what Malone just did. And Jackson gets praised a lot now.

Let it pass man! And give our coach some slack!

Yeah, the jackass in Golden State isn't getting praised by me I'll tell you.


Here let me suggest a simple philosophy: if you wouldn't support it if the other team had just done it to you, then chances are the only reason you are supporting it now is out of a homer instinct, not because you actually think its right. do unto others...
 
Yeah, the jackass in Golden State isn't getting praised by me I'll tell you.


Here let me suggest a simple philosophy: if you wouldn't support it if the other team had just done it to you, then chances are the only reason you are supporting it now is out of a homer instinct, not because you actually think its right. do unto others...

Our starters without DMC and Gay are like bench players to contending teams. So were basically playing bench players through out the game.
What's insulting on fouling their bench players to catch up? ;)
 
they'd already beaten us.

And aside form replacing his seldom used rookie center, who didn't get to play thanks to Malone, Corbin never reinserted his players who had whipped us. There would have been no "win" even if the we had caught up on the scoreboard.
Huh? This is the fifth time tonight you lost me. Malone showed the kind of class I respect. Sorry you didn't feel good about it.
 
JT was good I even thought Thornton (who for some reason (probably IT) was not a bigger part of the offence) both played well, I liked D-Will's (rolled well to the rim) aggression on his drives even though he missed some/got fouled that was not called. Mclemore looked for the 2nd straight game decent and Ray I liked his energy by honestly for a playmaking point of view I saw nothing to suggest atm he is a playmaker at all and he took a couple Jimmer/IT like forces.

I liked IT's game for most of this season but these last couple games have been borderline shockers and I bet he can't wait more than anyone for Gay Cousins to come back to help take pressure of him.

We were simply undermanned against the Jazz and there frontcourt just went to town off nice pick n rolls plays. We have to trade either Landry or Acy before next season imo we got to many small PF's and I like what Acy brings in terms of low $$, aggression and just some nasty that no one else on the team has other than Cousins. Acy can be our hit-man going forward to deliver hard fouls kind of like what other teams do to Cousins.
 
Here let me suggest a simple philosophy: if you wouldn't support it if the other team had just done it to you, then chances are the only reason you are supporting it now is out of a homer instinct, not because you actually think its right. do unto others...

But the reason I wouldn't like it if the other team did it to us is that I want them to lay down and die. I want them to stop fighting. I don't want a chance of a loss. It's one thing to do it down nine points with three seconds on the clock, but it's another to do it when the game is in reach. In our case, if Ben had caught that pass on the baseline and hit the three, we're down only three points with over 20 seconds on the clock, and it's a game. I can't really fault a strategy that gets us the ball and within one routine basketball play of "in the game".
 
But the reason I wouldn't like it if the other team did it to us is that I want them to lay down and die. I want them to stop fighting. I don't want a chance of a loss. It's one thing to do it down nine points with three seconds on the clock, but it's another to do it when the game is in reach. In our case, if Ben had caught that pass on the baseline and hit the three, we're down only three points with over 20 seconds on the clock, and it's a game. I can't really fault a strategy that gets us the ball and within one routine basketball play of "in the game".

The other team had done us a solid. They were kicking the crap out of us, and they put in their deepest bench. We were wounded and whipped and they called off the dogs, as much as they have dogs.

To respond to that by making a sad little fake hustle coaching charge is just rude.

This would have meant absolutely nothing if we had "won" it because the teams had mutually agreed it was over 3-4 minutes before Malone started the foolishness. Nor did Utah ever waver in that approach, even as Malone screwed around and held up the game for no reason. So what then? No team up 20 on us in the 4th can ever call off the dogs and put in their deep bench? Is that our fake tough stance then? Everybody has to play their starters to the end and whip us by 30? That's as silly as Python's Black Knight. If the other team has its starters out there and is trying to run up the score that's one thing.

Frankly you could do nonsense like that in almost EVERY garbagetime in every game. There's always going to be some scrub out there shooting 50% from the line who's only out there because the game is over and he needs some development time.
 
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I doubt Malone would have done it to Pop and San Antonio or several other teams. But this was lowly Utah Jazz and Corbin didn't seem to be insulted. Malone must have thought Jazz were somehow willing to entertain spectacular last couple minute monumental meltdown and actually prove they were more incompetent than his team.

I suddenly had a thought -- does anybody else remember a game last year (pre Malone) where Ty Corbin did something similarly asinine, in Arco. Intentionally fouling again and again and again in the final minutes despite having no chance to win. Even in the last minute as the crowd boo'd him (and we appriately hissed at him here)? That didn't happen this year to Malone as head coach -- our previous 2 games against them were an OT game and a blowout loss. But I wonder if Malone went this route because of a past experience with Corbin?
 
I have not seen much of Ray Mac but so I could be wrong with what I'm about to say but he looks like a big defensive (NBA body already) PG without all that much playmaking and a average handle for a PG. I like his positive energy but I need to see more in particular his passing.
 
I have not seen much of Ray Mac but so I could be wrong with what I'm about to say but he looks like a big defensive (NBA body already) PG without all that much playmaking and a average handle for a PG. I like his positive energy but I need to see more in particular his passing.

Especially McCallum being 6-7 inches taller than tiny IT is stark contrast. The kid is still learning at NBA level, needs lots more playing time, hard practices to get where he needs to be. He is and always has been natural PG, not combo and/or off guard.
 
Oh no don't tell me Malone has jumped the shark too. It seems IT already has.
 
The other team had done us a solid. They were kicking the crap out of us, and they put in their deepest bench. We were wounded and whipped and they called off the dogs, as much as they have dogs.

To respond to that by making a sad little fake hustle coaching charge is just rude.

This would have meant absolutely nothing if we had "won" it because the teams had mutually agreed it was over 3-4 minutes before Malone started the foolishness. Nor did Utah ever waver in that approach, even as Malone screwed around and held up the game for no reason. So what then? No team up 20 on us in the 4th can ever call off the dogs and put in their deep bench? Is that our fake tough stance then? Everybody has to play their starters to the end and whip us by 30? That's as silly as Python's Black Knight. If the other team has its starters out there and is trying to run up the score that's one thing.

Frankly you could do nonsense like that in almost EVERY garbagetime in every game. There's always going to be some scrub out there shooting 50% from the line who's only out there because the game is over and he needs some development time.

Malone also always leaves some of his starters in no matter how big we're up... until like 2 minutes or something.
 
Especially McCallum being 6-7 inches taller than tiny IT is stark contrast. The kid is still learning at NBA level, needs lots more playing time, hard practices to get where he needs to be. He is and always has been natural PG, not combo and/or off guard.
Why did McCallum average such lost assists in college? I'm just curious. Also in Reno, he scored a lot and always looked for his own shot. Maybe he was trying to prove something? He actually looks like he can be a good defender. If he can improve on passing and other aspects of his game this year, I can see him as maybe a future starter
 
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