[Grades] Grades v. Hornets 3/20/2015

Outside of Rudy, who had the best showing?

  • Casspi

    Votes: 5 16.1%
  • Thompson

    Votes: 1 3.2%
  • Williams

    Votes: 10 32.3%
  • Stauskas

    Votes: 5 16.1%
  • Evans

    Votes: 6 19.4%
  • Miller

    Votes: 4 12.9%

  • Total voters
    31
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

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sry for the delay. Do not fear, I came, I saw, I grade. With a little help from Baja even.

Tonight it was Rudy and a lot lot of little nibbles from various others. But Rudy was remarkable for 3/4, DWill provided some thrills for the crowd, Reggie gobbled up every rebound while he was out there, and a bunch of other guys scored 8pts, 9pts, hit a couple of shots in a row during a mini-run, then gave way to somebody else who did the same. So for all the cratering interest in these games, maybe there was still a little something to be gained here. Rudy solidifying his return next year as the #2. Roleplayers who may or may not be here next year at least making an argument. And while the Hornets are a lousy offensive team, there was a lot of good defensive effort out there for once, assisting the lousy. Watching this one was not a waste of time.



Boxscore

Stats: 37min 33pts (11-20, 2-5, 9-10) 9reb 4ast 2stl 0blk 3TO
Gay ( A ) -- there really wasn't any other possible grade on this one. As the last of our amigos we absolutely needed Rudy to do exactly what he did, and he obliged. He was our show, and outscored the next three highest scoring Kings combined. And it began from the very beginning of the game, he joined the early 3pt shooting party, he hit pullups, he hit turnarounds, he repeatedly hit tough contested shots, just smoothly rising up and dropping in swishes. Once he even got back on the break to save a sure layup. He was on the boards. In a game decidedly lacking in starpower, he was it. Sometimes against the Durants and LeBrons it feels like we're lacking, then you see Rudy have one of these against the league's B-listers, and it highlights just how good he is. There were a few forces, a bad 1 on 1 attempt when Kidd Gilchrist finally hiked up his pants and wanted to get into him. A random pull up for a 25 foot three at a bad time in the third. But some of that always comes with carrying the scoring mantle. He did finally cool down the stretch, and his final few points were courtesy of the Hornets extending the game at the end trying to do the fake hustle charge down the stretch. But for most of the night whenever the punchless Hornets would accidentally string together 2 or 3 hoops in a row, Rudy was there time and again to turn them back. So kind of the big thing on the night -- in my Teams of the Great Centers series I already knew Cuz was performing on par with the great bigs of the past, but what is also become evident is that Rudy is actually on par with the #2s to many great centers. And performances like tonight have to up the chances he'll be back again next year in that role. --Brick

Stats: 33min 10pts (4-6, 1-2, 1-3) 5reb 2ast 0stl 0blk 3TO
Casspi ( B- ) -- got the start at PF this time, something which I would normally abhor (and which truly indicates how little use this coach has for Landry and all that nasty old school post game stuff), indeed I still do, but he was only matched up against Cody Zeller, who despite his 7ft can't decide if he's going to be a guy who makes any impact in this league or not. And in the end Omri won the matchup. He hit an early three, as hustling on the boards (despite only getting 5 himself he was constantly, and a bit dangerously, falling out of bounds along the baseline saving them in) and hit a nice roleplayer sweet spot of getting a few of his drives and flips to go without actually disrupting or taking the ball away from the guy carrying us (Rudy). What is so often holding his grade back nowadays are the TOs, of which there were three more tonight, two careless, once just getting stripped by Walker. The final one though was a headslapper, as we just needed to run the clock out in the final seconds and Omri threw a terrible pass for a turnover with us only up 6, and if the Hornets had had anybody better to shoot the open three the other way than Henderson, it could easily have been a 3pt game with 15 seconds to go and us in some danger. Late game execution guys. Anyway, this wasn't a blow your doors off effort, but overall it was nice solid positive roleplayering one. --Brick

Stats: 27min 8pts (4-8, 0-0, 0-1) 8reb 1ast 0stl 2blk 2TO
Thompson ( B ) -- Jason played well tonight. He only had eight points, but was 4 of 8, shooting the ball at a 50% clip. He added eight boards, all defensive rebounds, which is a little unusual for JT, who gets a lot of his boards on putbacks. He got off to a good start by posting up in the right box ans scoring on a little spin move and a kiss off the backboard. Unfortunately the next two times he touched the ball, he turned it over. Once with a bad pass, and the other by driving into traffic and getting the ball slapped away. But those were his only turnovers of the night, and to his credit, he got them out of the way early. JT struggled to keep Jefferson from scoring in the first half. He did a good job of contesting Jeffersons shots, he simply made them. The second half was a different story. I believe Jefferson only scored four points in the second half, thanks to JT and to Evans. Jason came into the game in the fourth quarter, and scored two baskets down the stretch that helped the Kings maintain the lead. He also blocked two shots. Except for a couple of turnovers, he had a very solid game. --Baja

Stats: 27min 9pts (3-7, 2-4, 1-1) 0reb 2ast 1stl 0blk 2TO
McLemore ( C- ) -- hit an early three on the semi-break, prompting Jerry to immediately say something ridiculous like "and with a start like that he may be set to explode tonight". At which point Ben of course completely disappeared for the rest of the half. Had some ballhandling misadventures, was neither featured nor efffective when he did have the ball, and in what has become a disturbing development for him, was once again not our best SG of the half. It wasn't until the mid 3rd we'd hear from Ben again, but when we did it was on two three point plays within a minute of each other, the first after a lucky carom ended up in his hands and he crashed into a Hornet and got the flip to go for a +1, the second when he hit his 2nd three of the night. And then...he disappeared into the night again. He was in for a few more minutes of the third, doing little, was back for a few minutes of the 4th during which he missed a three and turned it over, and then he was replaced by Casspi and that was it. He was once again badly outscored by his wildly mediocre counterpart, as Henderson had 20 on the night, although maybe only half were against Ben directly. And...it was just those two moments really. A three to start the game, and then a 1 minute burst in the mid 3rd, with few other contributions. Same team he dropped 27 on last time, on the road. Dunno. --Brick

Stats: 23min 8pts (4-9, 0-1, 0-0) 4reb 1ast 0stl 1blk 4TO
McCallum ( C- ) -- as settled into pretty much a straight platoon with Old Man River now. And in the early going, Ray may have been the better half of it. Or at least him treating the position like a scoring position was helping more than hurting as he kept on scooting in every time the Hornets defense parted. Meanwhile Walker wasn't hurting us back the other way. When Ray returned he immediately called his own number and added another score, but Walker was beginning to wake up, and after that point Ray wasn't adding much more than turnovers. In the third quarter things took a turn as Ray's tendency to force things really came to the fore. He did notch his only assist after he was basically forced into it by getting smothered not once, but twice under the rim and kicked it out to Ben I think it was for a three. But otherwise Rudy was actually running the offense more than he was, and after he committed a charge out on the break for his 4th TO (a 1:4 A/T ratio isn't normally what you look for from a PG) it was time for the old man to come back in and show the whippersnapper how you used to run the point back in the day with hoary old concepts like passing and floor generaling. --Brick
 
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Bench

Stats: 25min 13pts (4-8, 1-4, 4-6) 2reb 2ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Williams ( ) -- D. Will, like JT, went four for eight on the night. His overall percentage was 50%, but he only went one for four from behind the arc. Ironically the one three he hit, he had to rush because of the shot clock running down. He managed to get one of Grant Napier's, "If you don't like that, you don't like NBA basketball", when he recieved a perfect pass from Miller as he was cutting down the right side of the lane with a full head of steam, left his feet just over the foul line and soared with his arm outstretched above his head and slammed the ball home. Definitely an ESPN highlight if I ever saw one. A bit later he tried to match it, but if the dund was a ten, then his alley oop was around an eight. But still impressive. Derrick is a terrific athlete. Defensively he did a decent to good job. He had a couple of confusing moments when he made a switch and somehow we ended up with two players on the same man. Fortunately every time it happened, we paid no penalty. Williams weakness is his rebounding. He only had two rebounds on the night, and for a guy with his physical make up, his athleticism, he should be able to grab a minimum of five boards in the twenty five minutes he played. One game I can excuse, but this is a consistent lack of rebounding I'm talking about. Aside from that, a solid game. --Baja

Stats: 16min 8pts (2-6, 2-4, 2-2) 1reb 0ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
Stauskas ( B- ) -- in these last few weeks as Nik has come on and Ben has wavered I have begun to wonder if it was possible that Nik might actually pass Ben up on the depth chart, and in the early going it looked like this might even turn out to be the night as Nik came in firing and confident, drained two threes, got to the line on an aggressive drive, nabbed a steal, and even grabbed a good rebound. He was clearly the better, more confident SG in the first half. But that guy never made it out of the lockerroom at halftime, and in his second half stint all he did was miss all of 4 of his shots while Miller and Williams were putting on their flying circus display. So it ended up being another tantalizing little stint of play, but its still only glimpses. --Brick

Stats: 21min 4pts (2-5, 0-0, 0-0) 16reb 2ast 0stl 0blk 4TO
Evans ( B+ ) -- to give you some idea of what grabbing 16rebs in 21 minutes means, I went back and counted up all the rebounds credited to BOTH teams during Reggie's minutes out there. And setting aside team rebounds the totals were Reggie: 16 rebs. All 9 other guys on the floor: 23 rebounds. The funny thing was that you're so used to it happening you're kind of numbed to it and it just looked like Reggie being Reggie. Now the rest of the game wasn't anything special. There wasn't anybody to score on him inside once Big Al decided to shut it down and call it a night after the first quarter, the 4 TOs are a bit of a misnomer, since almost all of them were when after having scrapped around and grabbed an offensive rebound, it was slapped away out of bounds. A couple of times he banged in a layup, and he made a couple of good passes to set up teammates. Nothing special. Roleplayery stuff. Except grabbing 16reb and singlehandedly outrebounding the opposing team during your minutes is pretty special. Reggie grabbed as many rebounds as the entire Hornets frontcourt (Big Al/Biyombo/Zeller/Williams) combined. --Brick

Stats: 25min 7pts (3-6, 1-1, 0-0) 3reb 7ast 0stl 0blk 2TO
Miller ( B ) -- in the tradition of many true PGs of the past, I think this game by Dre was largely defined by the effect on his teammates. We largely had two offenses out there this time: there was the Rudy run offense while Rudy was on the floor and flowing, and then during Rudy's rest, or when he slowed late, it was the Dre offense. Both worked, but those were the two key guys keeping us organized and moving forward. He came in, immediately starting dishing out assists to Rudy and Stauskas, hit an early three in the 2nd quarter, but that wasn't what his game was about this time. The memorable stretch will be from the late 3rd to the early 4th when the game had turned into a fugly slog between two untalented teams -- it was getting to the point I would have welcomed punchless Hornets accidentally stringing two shots together just to make it interesting. And then Dre began to hook up with DWill, and how, repeatedly out on the break for huge dunks and alley oops that got the crowd to their feet. And no, they were still two untalented teams and the display didn't really move the scoreboard one way or the other since nobody else was doing much. But it provided a highlight, kept some energy in the building, and I guess never really gave the Hornets hope they could come back. --Brick

Stats: 7min 1pts (0-3, 0-0, 1-2) 0reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Landry ( INC ) -- Carl only played around six of seven minutes. And although he did take three shots and miss them all, I feel he wasn't on the floor long enough to grade. --Baja
 
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Charlotte is a horrendous team.
I can't believe they were tied for 8th place in the East and would actually be a playoff team.

They had little hope of beating this Sac Kings team (that wanted to win tonight) even when missing Collison and Demarcus.

That is such a sad, sad statement on the entire Eastern Conference.
 
Miller needs to once he retires forget about coaching and open up a youtube account called Uncle Dre where every week he visits a different playground/pick up basketball spot and just abuses unsuspecting victims (since only hardcore fans actually know who he is). That would be worth watching imo not that set up commercialized crap with Kyrie who doesn't even play like a old man.
 
Kings played really well, I thought that almost everyone on this team contributed at that game, JT was very effective and was very good defensively (it's not very easy to do so against a talented and skilled big fella like Al Jefferson) but he should be credited for the decent job he's done.
Reggie Evans was a beast on board, 16 rebounds in 20 minutes of playing, it's really not to be taken for granted, Andre Miller the "professor" has a really good basketball connection with D.Will, Derrick Williams plays a whole lot better when Andre Miller is distributing the ball for him and finds him for some easy points.
D.Will was ecstatic in the game, he really made Bismack miserable throughout the game after the massive first poster jam on his head and then the successful alley-oop pass from Andre Miller over Biyombo.
Nick Stauskas and Ben McLemore were very decent as well, McLemore was able to shoot in good percentages after he was struggling for a while, fortunately for us he was able to contribute.
And finally Omri Casspi was also able to help the Kings go past the Hornets, he was able to score 10 points with 4/6 from the field, good percentages, he was also able to grab 5 boards and was playing with effort and lot's of hustle to help the Kings gain the W.

Kings should aspire to play that way in every game.
 
Those you put in the poll, they played some good ball and contributed to the win. Nice to say that for a change.p
 
I don't know if it's Karls system or that Rudy is just in a zone right now, but man has he been good. I thought I was watching Durant out there last night. He made some shots, that only the elite players in the league could make. Rudy is a very, very, good offensive player. If he could bring his defense up to anywhere near where his offensive game is, he's an automatic all star. It was a lot of fun to watch.
 
I don't know if it's Karls system or that Rudy is just in a zone right now, but man has he been good. I thought I was watching Durant out there last night. He made some shots, that only the elite players in the league could make. Rudy is a very, very, good offensive player. If he could bring his defense up to anywhere near where his offensive game is, he's an automatic all star. It was a lot of fun to watch.

this has always bothered me about rudy gay far more than the inefficiencies of his offensive game after he joined the raptors; the guy is long and athletic, with arms like an albatross; his body is practically made to shut down the wing. yet his effort on that end is tremendously inconsistent. we saw some improvements under mike malone, but then again, we saw those improvements across the entire starting unit. i hesitate to believe that george karl will be able to motivate rudy on the defensive end in the same way, but it's what needs to happen if the rest of the roster is going to follow suit. demarcus and rudy need to set that tone...

once again, i'd like to offer that you should never underestimate the impact of a head coach's ability to forge a strong relationship with his best players. under mike malone, we saw chemistry forming before this season even began. malone maintained contact with demarcus throughout the summer, and tasked him with being the first guy into the gym. the players organized workouts together, and they solidified their bonds during the kings' trip to china. as a result of the leadership responsibilities that malone delegated to them, demarcus and rudy were laser-focused heading into the season, and the rest of the team followed suit, particularly on the defensive end. that focus snapped the minute mike malone was fired...

both demarcus and rudy were clearly dejected in the aftermath; demarcus had lost the only coach he's been able to trust since his arrival in the nba, and rudy had lost one of the primary reasons he agreed to re-sign with this team in the first place. i'm hoping they can shake it off in the summer, and come into training camp with the same unified focus on being team leaders. i'm hoping that george karl can get through to them in a meaningful way, otherwise it's gonna take some serious personnel changes just to make this team respectable on defense...
 
both Rudy and the Kings enjoy playing the Hornets it seems like....lots of spurts where players just chucked up shots for no reason and without moving the ball, player personnel for the fail.
 
this has always bothered me about rudy gay far more than the inefficiencies of his offensive game after he joined the raptors; the guy is long and athletic, with arms like an albatross; his body is practically made to shut down the wing. yet his effort on that end is tremendously inconsistent. we saw some improvements under mike malone, but then again, we saw those improvements across the entire starting unit. i hesitate to believe that george karl will be able to motivate rudy on the defensive end in the same way, but it's what needs to happen if the rest of the roster is going to follow suit. demarcus and rudy need to set that tone...

once again, i'd like to offer that you should never underestimate the impact of a head coach's ability to forge a strong relationship with his best players. under mike malone, we saw chemistry forming before this season even began. malone maintained contact with demarcus throughout the summer, and tasked him with being the first guy into the gym. the players organized workouts together, and they solidified their bonds during the kings' trip to china. as a result of the leadership responsibilities that malone delegated to them, demarcus and rudy were laser-focused heading into the season, and the rest of the team followed suit, particularly on the defensive end. that focus snapped the minute mike malone was fired...

both demarcus and rudy were clearly dejected in the aftermath; demarcus had lost the only coach he's been able to trust since his arrival in the nba, and rudy had lost one of the primary reasons he agreed to re-sign with this team in the first place. i'm hoping they can shake it off in the summer, and come into training camp with the same unified focus on being team leaders. i'm hoping that george karl can get through to them in a meaningful way, otherwise it's gonna take some serious personnel changes just to make this team respectable on defense...

Inconsistent is the best way to describe Rudy's defense. The last time I graded him, he was downright horrible on defense. The very next game, he was pretty good. Having the ego I have, I thought he must have read my grade and responded. (just kidding) But I agree with you. There's no reason he can't show up every night defensively. He's a great athlete and has the length you look for in a top SF defender. It's all about desire and commitment. Team defense is what wins games for you, and if one player on the floor decides to take the night off, the whole defense breaks down. You could have Doug Christie on the floor when that happens, and its not going to matter.
 
this has always bothered me about rudy gay far more than the inefficiencies of his offensive game after he joined the raptors; the guy is long and athletic, with arms like an albatross; his body is practically made to shut down the wing. yet his effort on that end is tremendously inconsistent. we saw some improvements under mike malone, but then again, we saw those improvements across the entire starting unit. i hesitate to believe that george karl will be able to motivate rudy on the defensive end in the same way, but it's what needs to happen if the rest of the roster is going to follow suit. demarcus and rudy need to set that tone...
Great post, I don't ever expect one player to shut down another but all I want to see is a guy actually trying and making it tough for the guy to score and when Rudy Gay does that he's a beast but I just don't feel like he does it enough.
 
Great post, I don't ever expect one player to shut down another but all I want to see is a guy actually trying and making it tough for the guy to score and when Rudy Gay does that he's a beast but I just don't feel like he does it enough.

We saw Rudy put more effort into playing defense under Malone and then when the season became what it has been...he lost interest. I don't blame him one bit because the whole team mailed it in it seems until the hiring of Karl and even then...giving up all those points is alarming.
 
*Aside from Kevin Durant and a couple of other guys probably.

When Durant was out at the commencement of the season he was the best SF in the west coninciding with our great start. Now Durant's out hes ressumed that position at the top of the tree for me
 
*Aside from Kevin Durant and a couple of other guys probably.
Okay, I'll play along: LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Kawhi Leonard, a healthy Paul George and (maybe) a healthy Carmelo Anthony are the five best small forwards in the NBA. Who's the sixth-best small forward?

Protip: James Harden, Klay Thompson and Jimmy Butler are shooting guards.


EDIT - Didn't mean to disrespect Leonard.
 
Okay, I'll play along: LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Kawhi Leonard, a healthy Paul George and (maybe) a healthy Carmelo Anthony are the five best small forwards in the NBA. Who's the sixth-best small forward?

Protip: James Harden, Klay Thompson and Jimmy Butler are shooting guards.


EDIT - Didn't mean to disrespect Leonard.

I'm really curious to see what happens to Leonard once he's exposed without the legends. Maybe he's a two way star at the level of a George. Maybe he's really just a roleplayer who'll struggle to get his shot and carry a team by himself.
 
Okay, I'll play along: LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Kawhi Leonard, a healthy Paul George and (maybe) a healthy Carmelo Anthony are the five best small forwards in the NBA. Who's the sixth-best small forward?

Protip: James Harden, Klay Thompson and Jimmy Butler are shooting guards.


EDIT - Didn't mean to disrespect Leonard.

apart from leonard who could very well be a solid system player as per ^^^ Gay is the best in the west. Even with Durant back hes easily a top 3 SF in the west.

we have the best C in the west and a top 3 SF in the west, we need ben to be more consistent, more consistency from the PG spot which we should get when darren comes back or if we acquire lawson, if we get a solid strech four we'll make waves next season not that, thats my first preference over a defensive minded player next to boogie.
 
apart from leonard who could very well be a solid system player as per ^^^ Gay is the best in the west. Even with Durant back hes easily a top 3 SF in the west.

we have the best C in the west and a top 3 SF in the west, we need ben to be more consistent, more consistency from the PG spot which we should get when darren comes back or if we acquire lawson, if we get a solid strech four we'll make waves next season not that, thats my first preference over a defensive minded player next to boogie.

Except the team has had no problem putting up points since the Karl hire. The main problem with the Kings is we can't play enough defense to stop ourselves from putting up 110 points and losing every other game.
 
exactly with Ben developing, Darren back, boogie and rudy leading this team offensively we dont need anyone else taking shots in terms of balance. thats why id rather a defensive minded player. That being said its vital we improve our outside shooting.
 
exactly with Ben developing, Darren back, boogie and rudy leading this team offensively we dont need anyone else taking shots in terms of balance. thats why id rather a defensive minded player. That being said its vital we improve our outside shooting.

I'm not sure I would say that Ben is exactly developing. Certainly not a pace you can be sure he can help any seriosu team next year. He's been routinely awful, with a spurt of good every 3 or 4 games for a long time now. Now Nik is developing...but even at maximum development years from now maybe he ends up as Marco Bellinelli.

And in any case, we do need multiple defensive minded players. Running is cheap. Any team can run, and it dries up when the games get serious. Running while actually stopping the other guys...now that actually requires some talent that we certainly don't have. Meanwhile we are exposing the most foul prone star in the league to a constantly chaotic situation where he's supposed to defend the rim on the run because his coach thinks he's Marcus Camby. The more guys who can actually help defend that rim or stay in front of their own man, the more Boogie we can get every night.
 
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I'm really curious to see what happens to Leonard once he's exposed without the legends. Maybe he's a two way star at the level of a George. Maybe he's really just a roleplayer who'll struggle to get his shot and carry a team by himself.
I don't really get how Leonard will be exposed once the "legends" (all three who are basically role players since he came) retire it's not like he's no longer going to be a elite defender (imo the best perimeter defender in the NBA) as well as a solid 2nd/3rd option. I don't think anyone see's him as a #1 option and nor should they plus he's already proved himself on the biggest stage of them all. There's nothing to "expose".
 
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