Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Still hung up on Noah are we? We have a better center now, time to let the past stay in the past.
[Grades] Grades v. Hornets 1/29/11
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Still hung up on Noah are we? We have a better center now, time to let the past stay in the past.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
lol u wish i was hung up. we are on the topic of playing for wins. we played for wins which costed us the better player that draft. luckily for us, we got to draft soggy waffles instead of that chump noah.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
This more than anything.
RookieOfTheDay
Starter
That's one way to look at it. The other way is that they still could have have had players like Arron Brooks, Al Thornton or Rodney Stuckey if Petrie hand't selected Hawes.
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Big Cuz 15
All-Star
aren't we seeing that progress now that westphail decided on a rotation? we certainly have the talent. they just need to gain experience. most of our future are on rookie contracts. i can't say if the draft is weak or not. i don't watch much ncaa or foreign basketball. i think there will be a few good players at the top of the draft.
RookieOfTheDay
Starter
Hey, I definitely won't be upset if they finish with 18 or 19 wins. I'm just saying that the way they've been playing the last month has caused me to think that continuing to improve is more important at this point than draft position. I definitely am not 100% confident about that yet though and another 6 or 8 game losing streak would get we back to rooting for wosses in a big hurry.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
think your still missing the point. we are talking about talent and position to pick them. sure you can get some gems at the end of the 1st round. petrie plucked one that he traded named kevin martin.
in that 2007 draft, there was durant, oden, noah, horford in the higher picks. do you agree there is more top talent available for selection with a higher pick? your rooting for more wins which usually result in a lower pick due to the record. (yes, there is the miracle where you leapfrog and grab a top 3 pick. however you cannot depend on that in order to position yourself)
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
i'm not saying tank on purpose. however, if the team happens to lose more due to developing our young players. /wonderful/
ParniValjak
All-Star
And Noah would be a PERFECT player to have next to Cousins. Two of them would be the most feared twin-towers in the game for years to come. Are you going to claim that Noah could not play any PF?!
RookieOfTheDay
Starter
I'm not missing any point. I get that higher pick means better odds of getting a great player. Heck, we all know that. What I'm saying is that when a team is showing significant improvement in the second half, a high pick isn't as important to their future as it would be to a team that's playing awful all year.
The other thing here is, The Kings dug such a deep hole in November and December that now they can finish pretty strong and still probably pick no lower than 6th or 7th.
If they manage to finish higher than that, then it would mean that they were dominating already and don’t need to worry about draft picks any longer.
RookieOfTheDay
Starter
I'm OK with that, too. It's a win/win situation really.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I helped push for the realization that losses are more important than wins for a team on the way down. But for a team on the way up the opposite is true. We struck gold, twice. We got ours -- the system worked the way it should. People who could not imagine losing being good for a franchise hopefully learned something. But that time may have passed. It would be great to have another Top 5 pick -- its always great to have another Top 5 pick. But now that that corner has been turned, now that mega talents are already in town, its even more important to turn the winning switch back on again. There is a time for everything in an NBA life cycle. A time to win, and a time to lose. Now its come time to win again. To build up momentum, revitalize the fanbase, get national TV interested again, shake off the losing mentality, and make it a place free agents might want to come with all that money we have. And all of that is going to hurt our draft position. But its not 2007 anymore with a bunch of tired old vets. The future core guys are already here, and they need to win and believe and make everyone else believe.
This is also why I have asked the question several times this year if it would not be better to move our upcoming #1 in a trade around the deadline for what we see as a key piece of the future. Development time will start getting more scarce as we get better, and our natural curve here is going to result in more and more wins meaning a higher and higher pick. Its an asset who's value today might well be higher than its value in a month, which may well be higher than its value this summer. And if you do use it to acquire an asset now -- perhaps the longterm starter at one of the forward spots -- you can play to win every game the rest of the season without worrying about any negative effects.
This is also why I have asked the question several times this year if it would not be better to move our upcoming #1 in a trade around the deadline for what we see as a key piece of the future. Development time will start getting more scarce as we get better, and our natural curve here is going to result in more and more wins meaning a higher and higher pick. Its an asset who's value today might well be higher than its value in a month, which may well be higher than its value this summer. And if you do use it to acquire an asset now -- perhaps the longterm starter at one of the forward spots -- you can play to win every game the rest of the season without worrying about any negative effects.
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Big Cuz 15
All-Star
i hate u brick
i'm still squeezing that last high lotto pick before we don't sniff lotto land for the next 10 yrs
RookieOfTheDay
Starter
i hate u brick
i'm still squeezing that last high lotto pick before we don't sniff lotto land for the next 10 yrs
Well there's still a very good chance you'll get it. To play themselves out of a top 5 pick they'd have to win somewhere around 26-28 games or so and at this point, that's still a long-shot. More likely they come in around the 22-25 range which is top 5 city!
kgrichwine
Bench
Much of what being a KIngs fan means lies in the rivalry between the Kings and the Lakers. Ant time the Lakers lose I smile. When my team beats the Lakers, no matter what their record, I'm a happy man. The Hornets win wasawesome in they showed some maturity and got back down to buisness again the next night and didn't have a let down. Props to the coaching staff for bringing this team up!
Kingster
Hall of Famer
I love it. We have the two most improbable wins of the season for any team in the league - consecutively - and we have a debate about lins and wosses.
Cousins has been fantastic. Just like when his poor play feeds into his poor attitude, his good play is now feeding into a good attitude. Hopefully, when he plays poorly he can keep the good attitude. By the way, is Cousins a center or is he a point guard? I know one thing - he's by far the best "point" player we have on this team now. It's not even close.
Dalembert has been fantastic. Where has Dalembert been? He's a much more determined player now. Something has clicked and he's totally altered the debate on whether the Kings should let him go or resign him as a FA
Luther Head - you've got to give the guy props for being a bench warmer for eons and coming into the game at a key juncture and hitting some huge shots and playing good D.
Greene - even Greene got into the act with the slam that ignited the crowd
Tyreke - he's the only guy that I'm not happy with. The guy is playing selfishly; no two ways about it. I've seen four fast breaks in the last two games that were horribly run by Tyreke, and two of them he dissed Beno and didn't give him the ball. If Tyreke gets on the same page as everbody else, this team takes another step upward.
Cousins has been fantastic. Just like when his poor play feeds into his poor attitude, his good play is now feeding into a good attitude. Hopefully, when he plays poorly he can keep the good attitude. By the way, is Cousins a center or is he a point guard? I know one thing - he's by far the best "point" player we have on this team now. It's not even close.
Dalembert has been fantastic. Where has Dalembert been? He's a much more determined player now. Something has clicked and he's totally altered the debate on whether the Kings should let him go or resign him as a FA
Luther Head - you've got to give the guy props for being a bench warmer for eons and coming into the game at a key juncture and hitting some huge shots and playing good D.
Greene - even Greene got into the act with the slam that ignited the crowd
Tyreke - he's the only guy that I'm not happy with. The guy is playing selfishly; no two ways about it. I've seen four fast breaks in the last two games that were horribly run by Tyreke, and two of them he dissed Beno and didn't give him the ball. If Tyreke gets on the same page as everbody else, this team takes another step upward.
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In my book the game's the thing. To hell with draft position. Go for the wins and let the chips fall where they may. If we're terrible we'll get a high piick. If were better, which I always hope for, we'll pick farther down.
And in my book the next game is the thing, not a game next year.
roasthawg
Starter
This is a good post... we're in a win-win at this point as if we continue to play like this then that means we don't need another top 5 pick to contend anyways. Either way we're picking top 10... I think we can get a good role player there. We have two stars in the making already.
TTown Kings
Bench
that Donte put back was REDICULOUS!!!!!
Casspi didn't get the ball very much, and when he did, it was at the end of the shot clock (two of his missed threes were with 5 or less seconds left on the shot clock). But he made the coach keep him on the floor with great defense, hustle, steals, and general effort. He was playing Belinelli like he was Kobe in the 4th quarter.
Tyreke ignored Omri completely several times (Grant and Jerry called him out on it toward the end of the game) when he was wide open, and instead of giving the ball to Casspi, he gave it to someone else, turned it over, or shot/drove to the basket.
I guess my point is that I think a C- is harsh. He didn't get the opportunity to contribute more on offense, and he made up for his lack of offense with solid D.
Tyreke ignored Omri completely several times (Grant and Jerry called him out on it toward the end of the game) when he was wide open, and instead of giving the ball to Casspi, he gave it to someone else, turned it over, or shot/drove to the basket.
I guess my point is that I think a C- is harsh. He didn't get the opportunity to contribute more on offense, and he made up for his lack of offense with solid D.
Funny how the draft works. I find it amusing that people assume that we would have had Cousins if we drafted Noah earlier. That's no guarantee. One more win, and we probably don't sniff Cousins. I think we have a (super)star center, and a star guard all set to go. I'm sure we can find a need wherever we pick in the top 10, if we're smart.
nickmcclure
Bench
Two words: win streak.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
i'll assume your referring to me. i never assumed we'll get cousins if we had picked noah.
theres no way to know what the future would hold for the kings if they drafted noah. i've been talking about positioning by record the whole time. we know if we lost a few more games, there would have had a chance to pick noah instead of hawes.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
If we lost a couple of more games in the 2002-2003 season, we could have had a better chance of drafting LeBron.
Imagine a line up of
Vlade/Keon (In the one year where he was good/ not a nutcase)
Webber/Gasol (Did I forget to mention that I pawned Funderburke to the Grizz for Gasol in Fantasyland?)
LeBron/Peja/GW
Christie/Jim Jackson
Bibby/BJax
Man I sure wish we tanked that season. Championship for sure.
i'll assume your referring to me. i never assumed we'll get cousins if we had picked noah.
Not specifically to you, per se, but a lot of posters seem to assume that each year works in a vacuum. "If we had picked x instead of y, could you imagine what our roster would have looked like?" Not realizing that an earlier pick of player x could have disqualified us from someone we currently have on our roster. We are where we are for a reason, and it's pure sausage to go back and play the "what if" game. It's a personal pet peeve of mine - nothing more.
If we lost a couple of more games in the 2002-2003 season, we could have had a better chance of drafting LeBron.
Imagine a line up of
Vlade/Keon (In the one year where he was good/ not a nutcase)
Webber/Gasol (Did I forget to mention that I pawned Funderburke to the Grizz for Gasol in Fantasyland?)
LeBron/Peja/GW
Christie/Jim Jackson
Bibby/BJax
Man I sure wish we tanked that season. Championship for sure.
Dude! That's what I'm talking about!! Do you realize that such nonsense would have kept us from drafting Kevin Martin and/or Ricky Minard?! MINARD!
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
who cares about lebron. we missed out on darko, vlade's sucessor.
spike, i used those as a reference. i'm looking forward to this offseason. as it stands now the worst we could be is 6th pick which isn't bad at all. what could we get in return if we ended up w/ top 3 pick? teams would line up offering us veteran players in trade for the pick/capspace.
spike, i used those as a reference. i'm looking forward to this offseason. as it stands now the worst we could be is 6th pick which isn't bad at all. what could we get in return if we ended up w/ top 3 pick? teams would line up offering us veteran players in trade for the pick/capspace.
Section 101
All-Star
You mean C-Webbs since he's just as good a passer.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Darko is better than Vlade and C-Webb combined. He's sorta like Wilt and Bill Russell combined with the passing ability of Vlade/Webb
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