[Grades] Grades v. Hawks 1/17/11

Favorite sport other than basketball?

  • American football

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  • Baseball/Softball

    Votes: 12 18.8%
  • Soccer/Futbol

    Votes: 9 14.1%
  • Ice Hockey

    Votes: 2 3.1%
  • Tennis

    Votes: 3 4.7%
  • Golf

    Votes: 2 3.1%
  • Rugby

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Volleyball

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Cricket

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • Other

    Votes: 13 20.3%

  • Total voters
    64

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
This team has started to epitomize close but no cigar. Which with a young team still growing could bode really well for the future. Problem is that its very hard to put your finger on what it will take for them to get over the hump.

Since Dec. 19th we are 4-11. Of those 11 losses, 9 of them have been by 9 points or less. We've lost by: 9,8,5,1,18(DEN),6,6,3,24(BOS),4,2.

All of which equals grrrff!

Theme tonight will be: Bad Statues

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Greene ( B ) -- got the start for Cisco, who I guess wasn't faking that last injury (calf) after all (suffering from boy who cried wolf syndrome). hit an open three for his first shot, and was using his size on the boards from the bery beginning of this one. Did miss a pair of FTs early as its clearly reached the level of a mental issue for him and he's down to 50%. Kept on rebounding into the third, and we moved him over to SG after Reke went out. It wasn't a disaster either -- I have noted before that we actually had some success wiht Donte as a SG last year, although that's obviously not his natural spot. So why was he over there for a stretch tonight? Joe Johnson, that's why. After stealing the hawks money for the first two months, he's averaging 28 a game in January, and he was very tough again tonight. Too tough to be running out our two PG lineups if Reke wasn't one of the two guys, and far too advanced to throw a Jermaine Taylor at him. So Donte slid over. Problem was that Donte wasn't really able to slow JJ either. Played good defense, but good defense wasn't going to cut it on this night against Johnson, and while he stayed with him, challenged the shots, he didn't smother him, and Johnson almost did not miss from inside the 3pt line -- he shot a ridiculous 15-19 from 2pt land. Donte was notably unable to stop Johnson at the 24 second mark as the Hawks broke the tie and took the lead. Great shot by Johnson, but Donte looked like he gave him baseline, maybe expecting help. In any case, this was a nice roleplaying game -- stayed out of the way, gave us boardwork, filled in where needed to give us great size, but was not able to cap that by taking Johnson out of it in his role as defensive stopper.
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Allegedly a statue of Peter the great...and something maritime for some reason, this 315 tall monstrosity sits on the Moscow River and has quickly become something of infamous tourist attraction.

Thompson ( B- ) -- stuffed on his first post move, but was mostly doing a nice job of taking advantage of his size edge in there when they tried to guard him with Josh Smith. Able to use his size advantage to go right over/through Smith repeatedly in the second. Unfortunately they were scoring just as quickly back the other way on him -- the "they" in question being Smith and Al Hordford, who may have had one of his best overall games of the season. Hit a buzzer beating turnaround J to close the third and get us back to 9. But in the end cost us, and himself -- was back in in the 4th and after a couple of shaky plays and some questionable calls, JT just lost his head yet again, got a technical foul, and was pulled by Westphal, who appears to have lost patience with those antics from guys and has been benching them for them of late. And that was it for Jason in what had been a solid game for him most of the way. Fortunately for him we lost by 2 instead of 1.
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After the Soviet Union fell, things went from bad to worse for many of the former Soviet republics. In Turkmenistan an egomaniacal strongman named Saparmurat Niyazov took over. After renaming the months of the year after members of his family, and replacing the Quran with the Ruhnama, which was a book of spiritual lessons written by him, he set about building this 244 foot monstronsity, capped with a golden statue of himself that rotated through the day so that it always faced the sun.

Cousins ( B ) -- a little slop in the early going against Collins, but was able to score repeatedly on the otherwise undersized Atlanta frontline, and dropped in some nifty spins and step throughs in the post. Power really began to come in play in the third as he started to flat out bully ball the Hawks. The one impediament there was AL Horford, who just went nuts in there as the last line of defense and set a career high with 7 blocked shots, almost all of them frustrating Cousins and Reke. DeMarcus had an adventuresome final few minutes, coming up with the huge o-reb and flush to get it back to 3 at the 3:30 mark, but then forcing one that had no chance a minute later. Came up with a huge defensive board in traffic at the 40 second mark but then spun and threw an increidbly dangerous 3/4 court outlet pass that was nearly picked off, but was deflected and bounced to Landry at full gallop for the game tying layup. After Johnson's game winning FTs we still had 0.6 secs to go, which was theoretically enough time to catch and shoot an inbounds pass, or I was kind of hoping for an alley opp attempt for Greene. Instead we got a ridiculous inbounds pass fom Cousins apparerently intended for Tyreke sneaking along the baseline...if Tyreke were 14 feet tall. The ball was last seen bouncing down I-75 heading towards Savannah.
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Russian sculptor Zurab Tsereteli, the same man responsible for that Peter the Great monstronsity under Donte's grade, er, honored New Jersey by dumping this 100 foot tall thing on our shores a few years back in honor of the victims of 9/11. A nice sentiment, but when your gigantic gift is often compared to a woman's private parts its maybe not quite the sentiment for which you were aiming. It was actually originally scheduled to go in near my old place in Jersey City, right across from where the Towers stood, but they took one look at it and said no thanks, so it moved on down the river a bit to Bayonne instead.

Udrih ( B- ) -- quiet again in the early going, but came up with a little burst at the end of the first quarter. Continued to make some passing decisions that are interesting, consistently feeding Thompson or Daly in 1 on 1 scoring positions that would normally be restricted to actual post threats liek DeMarcus or Landry . Is that igorance or confidence? With Tyreke in the foul trouble in the third really stepped forward as a scorer to pull us out of doldrums. Zaza clotheslined him to close the third, but in a (perhaps welcome) return to 80s refereeing they didn't call it a flagrant. Got a little rest while they stitched his head back on to his neck stump, and then was brought back in the mid-4th to try to steady us. He took that to mean he should drew a foul and promptly brick a pair of FTs. Because nothing makes the Kings feel more comfortable and on their game than bricking FTs. Added a turnover, a bricked three, and in general gave us nothing down the stretch.
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No, we have not been invaded by giant insects from a distant planet. That lovely thing is Enterprise, Alabama's very own statue to the Boll Weevil. I kid you not. They made a statue to a bug. And the plaque underneath explains " In profound appreciation of the Boll Weevil and what it has done as the Herald of Prosperity". Don't worry, if anybody has a statue in appreciation of rats or fruit flies I'll post it too.
 
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Evans ( C ) -- briefly able to battle with Johnson's strength on defense in the early going, but lost control of him as the half went along, and we went to others to try to guard him too. Started off the game with a beautiful drive and no look pass to Cousins, and was on the defensive glass again early. Drawing a lot of attention from the beginning of this one, and while the assists aren't going to reocrd it, was doing a nice job finding the open guys early on. Put the pedal down down the stretch of the half and came into halftime strong. But the secodn half was never comfortable. Got into foul trouble in the early third and took a couple of shaky shots. Blocked by Horford on the final shot of the third, and Horford was a major thorn in his side all night long. Guy set his career high in blocks, and 4 of them were against Reke as he beat his man and tried to finsih at the rim. After a frustrating struggle through most of the half, stepped up and tried to carry us home in the final 2 minutes. Note I said tried. Drew a foul and knocked down both FTs to get us to within 2 at the 1:30 mark. But followed that with a bad decision coming down and 1 on 1ing a hero jumper that bounced in and out. Tilted things bacj to the hero side when he just easily blew by Damien Wilkens for the game tying layup at the 12 second mark. And then back over again as he drew the assignment of guarding Joe Johnson on the game winning attempt, and he fouled him. I mean, not only did he foul him, hitting his elbow as he tried to challenge the shot (a guy shooting 15-19 from that range on the night requires the effort), but the refs actually CALLED the foul with 0.6secs left, which they normaly hate to do. Johnson hit the pair (of course), and that was that. Not a terrible outing, did some stuff, had some runs, but at key moemnts Johnson beat him on one side, and Horford on the other.
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Mannekin Pis -- a famous old statue in Brussels of a little boy peeing into thefountain below. The current bronze statue dates back 400 years, but there was a similar stone statue in its place at least 200 years before that. And nobody knows why -- its all legends. Has inspired a number of imitators all around the world, from Rio de Janiero to Japan. Maybe not so much ugly as just why?


Bench

Dalembert ( C ) -- an odd game for Daly in a way. Maybe the best thing he did on the night was pass, with him continuing to show a really surprising ability to fucntion as a Princetonesque passing center. Made a great dropoff pass to Beno slashing to the hoop, was used again as a passer for an alley oop to Taylor to start the second. Ended up leading the whole team in assists. But when it came time to score himself none fo that surprising stuff that has been falling for the past week was going in. Not jumpers, not 1 on 1 post moves as we (and Beno does this a lot) continued to set him up down there like he was DeMarcus, none of it. And he was qucik shotting much of it, eager to resume his Hakeemesque tear. Got a big gallop to the hoop +1 by Etan Thomas and a dunk inside deom Reke, but that wa it. And then the other thing was that he never really took a defensive stand, and not truly effective at slowng the Hawks jumpshooters. One of those games where he was just kind of our there.
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A monument in Carrocera Spain to some of those lost in Spain's Civil War which features a shackled beheaded man with the stump of his neck leaning into a black obelisk with skulls lining the top. Charming.

Landry ( C ) -- gave us a little scoring, next to no rebounding of course, and was actually used at SF with Donte at SG in a mega-lineup that did pretty well for one stretch. Was able to go right over Josh Smith for his first post move, but was kind of forgotten about therafter and really did not have much impact on the game until late, when Jason's mental meltdown opened the door for him to get the stretch minutes. Bounced in a post move at the 2:45 mark, and while running full speed downcourt at the 40 second mark had a long errant outlet pass from Cousins bounce right into his hands, and he finished the wild sequence with a wild layup. Put up pretty decent SG/SF swingman off the bench numbers of 9pts 2rebs 2ast.
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Now this is supposed to be a potter working with his clay, but did nobody in the production process stop to thik how much it resembled a man working with his something else?

Casspi ( C- ) -- so Donte comes back after not being used at all even in situations where he obviously could have helped for weeks, and of course instantly slides in as a 35min/gm starter, because this is Westphal. Most of those minutes were Cisco's, but meanwhile Omri, who had played good ball for those several weeks getting 20+ min every night, but was coming off a couple of subpar efforts the last two times out, suddenly finds his minutes cut to 8min 45 seconds of work. Makes sense to me. Basically had one highlight -- an o-reb and layup for his first score. And never did anything after that, and was not terribly effective on either end of the floor. Not that he had much time to get much going.
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This statue in Oslo, Norway, should be titled Ode to Child Abuse.
 
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Taylor ( INC ) -- started the second quarter, we run an alley oop for him from Dalembert to start the quarter...and he played all of 2 minutes before sitting for the rest of the game. So random.
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If you go visit China you can stand under this big doofy sttue of Optimus Prime. Guys, I lived through the 80s. The Transformers were doofy cheesy kids stuff. The discovery of Megan Fox aside, the movies have been the same. When do we get to see the Thundercats movie? Enough already.

Jeter ( C- ) -- lost ground in both his short stints, and Westphal as always was just all over the palce running everythign from Donte at SG to Reke/Beno/Pooh together as the mini-lineup. Which one do you think worked better? At the 2:00 mark we got vicitrmized by Pooh's size as he was rebounded right over, but the Hawks eventually missed the shot..
 
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Sigh...gotta hand it to us, we are consistent - get a good lead, blow a good lead, claw back in it, remove the fan's hearts with an ulcer-inducing defeat.

Another smooth Lin.
 
Obviously Donte Greene should be playing more than he has been. All of which begs the question: is it really time to fire Westphal?
 
why are the refs always so bad when its comes to the kings playing? im getting sick of all the no calls and the unofficial rule of well known players being exempt from technicals. No flagrant call on beno anybody? Stupid ww- nba.
 
we played a pretty good game tonight. not too disspointed. a cuple rookie mistakes cost us the game but other then that we played good.

you can see the chemistry and confidence growing with the players.
 
This team has started to epitomize close but no cigar. Which with a young team still growing could bode really well for the future. Problem is that its very hard to put your finger on what it will take for them to get over the hump.

Since Dec. 19th we are 4-11. Of those 11 losses, 9 of them have been by 9 points or less. We've lost by: 9,8,5,1,18(DEN),6,6,3,24(BOS),4,2.

All of which equals grrrff!


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Hitting some FTs shall help.
 
Overall, I view this whole road trip as a positive. Aside from the Boston game we were competitive in all of them and had moments looking like a real team. The Knicks win must have helped the confidence of our young guys and starting to believe they can win.

From a lin perspective it was also a good trip, we're still barely ahead of Cleveland. While I expect us to start pulling away (Cleveland has really imploded their last three games) if we can manage to hang onto the 2nd or 3rd worst record we could still steal the #1 pick and that could go a long way putting us over the hump next year.

Of course I'd rather we just win every game, but realistically we are going to have to get new talent.
 
Obviously Donte Greene should be playing more than he has been. All of which begs the question: is it really time to fire Westphal?

wat? how does an inconsistent player playing one good game "beg the question"? Watch hes going to suck next game or a couple of games from now and everybody will be calling for his head again.
 
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We need someone to stop the bleeding when the other team goes on a run. A big part of winning basketball is preventing 9 point leads from turning into 4 point deficits in less than 5 minutes :)

The chemistry isnt there yet but u can feel it getting pieced together. Another positive is Reke seems to be working hard at doing the little things lately.
 
Do Donte's minutes have to come at the expense of Casspi's? I didn't watch the game until the end, so I don't know if he was just ineffective throughout, or if it was another Westphalian decision.
 
Do Donte's minutes have to come at the expense of Casspi's? I didn't watch the game until the end, so I don't know if he was just ineffective throughout, or if it was another Westphalian decision.

Ineffective througout, and really on the last three games now. But Donte was in there in place of Cisco, so that's where the main minutes came from.
 
We need someone to stop the bleeding when the other team goes on a run. A big part of winning basketball is preventing 9 point leads from turning into 4 point deficits in less than 5 minutes :)

The chemistry isnt there yet but u can feel it getting pieced together. Another positive is Reke seems to be working hard at doing the little things lately.

exactly. and. we need a new free throw coach.
 
Was at work, so I wasn't able to watch the game. But FINALLY Donte is able to play, and see what he brings?! Hustle and rebounding! However, who was guarding Joe Johnson most of the game, Evans or Donte? I saw that Evans guarded Johnson on the last play of the game, but I also was listening to the radio and heard that Donte was guarding him from time to time as well.

As much as I loved Donte starting, THIS is why I hate Westfail and his rotations. So Garcia doesn't start, and he moves Donte up to starter after he didn't play more than 5 minutes in...how many games in a row? I don't know any other coaches that would do this... :confused:
 
Was at work, so I wasn't able to watch the game. But FINALLY Donte is able to play, and see what he brings?! Hustle and rebounding! However, who was guarding Joe Johnson most of the game, Evans or Donte? I saw that Evans guarded Johnson on the last play of the game, but I also was listening to the radio and heard that Donte was guarding him from time to time as well.

As much as I loved Donte starting, THIS is why I hate Westfail and his rotations. So Garcia doesn't start, and he moves Donte up to starter after he didn't play more than 5 minutes in...how many games in a row? I don't know any other coaches that would do this... :confused:

well you do have to consider that he had the freshest legs of anyone on the team from having not clocked all those minutes.
 
exactly. and. we need a new free throw coach.

Opps, we got best damn one on the planet in Pete Carril! If only these youngters would listen with laser focus to Coachie when he explains "their FT problem." Vets like Beno, Landry, Cisco, Daly, have no FT form problems, so if they miss it's usually just a minor blip. Coachie has worked with Tyreke and it's helped - although Evans surely helped himself. Cousins has great FT form. He also listens to Coachie, but he doesn't need any FT tips. JT is better but still somewhat inconsistent. Not to name everyone on the team but Donte Greene's form is just downright HORRIBLE! He NEVER takes time to bounce the ball, even once at the line to get ready or do something in focused mental prep. Reke does additional taking the ball and whiping it around his waist which he also did at Memphis U. Greene shoots FTs not quite as good as Grant Napear's son's junior H.S. B-Ball team and Kings announcer has said as much. He continues to palm the ball at release instead of what a pure shooter (or any decent one) does by releasing it on their finger tips. Thus, Greene's FT shot is like a knuckle ball which is terribily unforgiving up at the iron. The dude is shooting a pathetic less than 50% FT on the year. No wonder Coach W says often that, "some of the players were not focused tonight." It's a Donte Greene broken record perfomance but coach does not rip him in the media but just sits him - and some fans howl.
 
Went to the game and it was Awesome!!! Cheered my lungs out for the Kings and I annoyed a couple "Hawks fans" along the way. :) Said What's up to Donte and Cousins after the game...
 
Ineffective througout, and really on the last three games now. But Donte was in there in place of Cisco, so that's where the main minutes came from.

Plus the Pooh, Beno, Evans in the 4th against Bibby, Crawford, JJ. Ya that worked when he should have brought Donte back in for Pooh. And this was after Dalmbert, JT, Landy, Greene and Beno had some good success going big.
 
I didn't catch the whole game till now... the repeat is on if anyone would like to know. There is ALLOT of empty seats in that arena. Esp for MLK day, in Atlanta no less.
 
I didn't catch the whole game till now... the repeat is on if anyone would like to know. There is ALLOT of empty seats in that arena. Esp for MLK day, in Atlanta no less.

Atlanta has had that problem for years -- even when they win 50 they still don't ill the place up. Heck back in the 90s they didn't even fill it up for playoff games. Odd.
 
IMO we lost this game because Dalembert cost us too much on offense. At least 4 of his shots were outside jumpshots if I remember correctly, and he missed a couple of shots nearer the basket as well. And let's not forget his quick turn around fade away. When he makes them it's fine, but it's not something that we should be relying on, and by relying on I mean us letting him take outside shots at least 5 times in the game. Our offense shouldn't put the ball in Sammy's hands whereby he's forced to take the shot, even though it's open. Open shots are good, but any coach in the league would rather have Beno Udrih take a contested jumpshot than Dwight Howard take an open 3 pointer.

Also, I'd like to see Cousins used less in the high post. If he's going to be out there to set a screen or make a pass he should only be there for awhile and not stay there. He's a decent shooter but again, we want him down low, not taking outside shots. I'm fine with his shots from the side, around the Tim Duncan bankshot area, but he's not as consistent slightly further away at the free throw line.

Donte showed a good effort on the boards today and if he continues to hustle and put himself in a position to rebound I can see him getting more consistent minutes. Overall a game pretty well played up till the 4th quarter, and in this game our 3 point shooting basically killed us.

Someone posted above that Carl Landry does not have free throw shooting problems. I beg to differ for this season where his FT% is at .711, 120th in the league. That's below our team average by the way.
 
Someone posted above that Carl Landry does not have free throw shooting problems. I beg to differ for this season where his FT% is at .711, 120th in the league. That's below our team average by the way.

You might want to read my entire post again. I said Landry does not have a "FT form" problem and he doesn't - not now or over his NBA career. He's a 77% career FT shooter and was consistenly over 80% his couple of years in Houston - topping out at 84% with Rockets. His current 71% of course means he's hitting 7 of every 10 which is better than several Kings - Donte Greene at a miserable 48%. Landry's FT shooting of late has been well over 80% - he got off to a below average start from the line to begin season - lately much better.
 
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