Grades v. Grizzlies 02/15

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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Good lord -- neither team wanted the game. We just gave it away last.

Artest ( D ) -- time to start up that trade Artest thread. A week or so ago I was publicly wondering what a bad game for Ron would look like for us. Well, here it was. Got off to a good defensive start, and even the offense was ok. Nothing special, but ok. But began to fade even as the half wore on, And in the second half, gave us next to nothing. Whether he wants to admit it or not I have to believe he was tired after the big effort in the OT the night before. Could not finish anything inside and was blocked repeatedly. And settled for EIGHT three pointers, and hit all of zero of them. Even his defense lacked sparkle. Avoids the F because of the defense and because he created some easy looks for other guys at times (KT is really prospering in particular). But here was the bad game from Ron. And unfortunately other than Cisco not a single other King stood tall to take up the slack.
Thomas ( B ) -- Another game as the garbageman, and whether his ego knows it or not, it looks like the role he was born for. Had a quiet first half, but began to come on in the third with that garbage type game again -- roughly defined as never having a play called for you and scoring on putbacks and on cuts where the passer creates your offense for you. On defense was totally overmatched against Gasol inside all night long, but got on those boards again. Was having another pretty strong game, but then made the play that will have everybody buzzing. With 30 seconds to go and both teams trading inept possessions back and forth and treating the win like a hot potato that nobody wanted, we got yet another chance to tie it up. There was a scramble play and Kenny found himself wide open staring at the hoop from 12 feet with no Grizzly remotely close to him. And in a true primetime clutch moment, Kenny takes that golden opportunity...and dribbles th ball off his foot for the turnover. Game over man. Now given the ineptness shown by Artest, Martin, Bibby and generally everybody else on the floor in the preceding possessions, Kenny didn't lose it for us. But after such a terrible struggle, his was the play that finally made me just laugh at its awfulness.
Miller ( C- ) -- very slow start, and despite warming up abit after halftime, never did get anything going for nay real stretches. Looked fatigued. And that's not good. Envision Brad Miller's "athleticism". Now give him tired legs. Not a pretty picture. Had one hilariously bad sequence at the end of the first half when he got his shot blocked 3 times in the space of 5 seconds, and I think by three different Grizzlies. The Grizzlies cheerleaders were chimping at the bit to get int here and swat him. Did come back with a breakaway stela and layuo (what, you thought I was going to say dunk? :eek: ) a few seconds later to try to redeem himself. Ended up doing fewer things notably bad than our other struggling starters, but that's mainly because he just did fewer things period.
Martin ( B- ) -- a tweener game. At least it was the road and he wasn't struggling. But on the other hand, neither was he really thriving. Was scoring on some nice moves, but joined the rest of the team in being unable to get anything to fall from downtown. And wasn't his best rounded game either, although he did have spurts of good energy, in particular when Cisco was in there for inspiration. Had an on and off battle with foul trouble. Amazingly on two plays within a minute of each other in crunch time Kevin went flying down court on the break for surefire layups/dunks...I mean, this is Kevin Martin right? And both times ended up getting blocked up high CLEANLY. In fact in the space of about 3 minutes there, Kevin got packed twice, Bibby once, Artest once, and Reef a few minutes before. More than a little embarrassing actually. In any case, Kevin ended up with the ok game. 14pts on 50% shooting, but not much else, and the two blocked attempts down the stretch.
Bibby ( D- ) -- and our other hero from last night was nearly as cold as Ron. Hit a shot here and there, but really did not have it all night long and may again have been tired. Most of the shots he did hit were of the relatively easy variety. Missed everything from downtown, and a question of whether the legs were there. Showed some good effort at times on defense early, but that too started fading and Atkins started lighting him up in the third. In the last minute stupidly tried to draw a foul and got his shot blocked as a result. And obviously neither he nor any other King was able to pull us out of another death spiral late game collapse. We failed to score a single point for the last five minutes of this one. :eek: In any case, bad effort from Mike But as we've all seen in his wildly up and down season, not his worst. Hence not an F.
Garcia ( A ) -- truly excellent energy effort off the bench. Energy is a funny thing in the way it comes and goes, and tonight it looked liek Cisco had eaten an entire box of Twinkies right before the game and was going to bounce right off the floor. Extremely actiuve and was just everwhere. Aside from Pau's big classic post game, Cisco was the best player on the floor tonight. And it really was just all about the energy. Got his scrawny butt ont he boards, raced up and down the court creating opportunities for others, and in general gave us a classic 6th man energy burst type of effort. Easily our bright point of the night. Alas, lost his "+" really through no fault of his own, as we lost the game in ugly fahsion and an A+ felt out of place. In fact might have even been able to prevent that outcome. Maybe. Rick had a tough call at about the 4 minute mark of the 4th whetehr to bring back Mike or stick with Cisco (or he could also have pulled Ron (not happening) or Martin). Rick reinserted Mike, and obviously we did not win. But who knows whether Cisco's wild style would have helped or made it worse. In any case, excellent game.
Skinner ( B- ) -- good first half bench stint. Did not score, but was doing the job on the glass and proving too mobile for flat footed giant Jake Tsakalidis. Unfortunately when Gasol returned, he breifly looked as overmatched as everyone else, and did not return. Not really sure why the seocnd half minutes weren't there for him this time out.
Reef ( B ) -- strong work off the bench, in particular in the first half. Rebounding has been very encouraging, and maybe he heard the whispers. Make that shouts. Often got ot work against Hakim Warrick, and took the rook to school (and exposed something that was very obvious as the twol matched uo -- Reef is smallish for a PF, but Warrick is just flat out small. Like a 6'8" SF. Unfortunately the rook got the last laugh, as in the 4th he came flying out of nowhere to stuff Reef on what looked like a surefire easy open dunk. Was kind of the beginning of the incredible blockfest the Grizz put on us down the stretch.

Adelman ( C+ )
-- we just could not find a goto guy tonight, and the two heroes of the night before were showing their fatigue. And then of course down the stretch...just awful. Embarrassing. And the joke was the Grizzlies were matching us choke for choke in a massive chokathon. Nobody wanted to win this one. Nobody stepped up. We just kind of stepped further down than they did. Lot of oaching stuff to talk about here, mostly to do wiht the rotations. In the first half, Rick only used three benchers -- his dependable Garcia/Reef/Skinner trio once again despite our fatigue from the OT game the night before. But he used all three guys for long minutes, and they responded. Garcia in particular. And one night after the bench stunk the place up again in Chicago, they were outplaying the formerly deep Memphis team this time out. And good thing too as Mike, Artest and Brad were all struggling. In the second half Cisco got the early return with Kevin in foul trouble, and Reef made it back too, but Skinner was a forgotten man and the end result was that we basically played 7 guys for the second night in a row and piled a LOT of minutes on their legs. And maybe it showed. Down the stretch rick had a tough call to make -- Cisco, Martin and Artest were on the floor and it got down under 5 minutes to go. do you bring back Mike or stick with the out of position rookie having the great game? Or do you shift that rookie over to OG and take out kevin (who was merely ok)? Or have him shift over to Artet's spot (who was struggling)? Well, Rick brought Mike back. And its one of those no win situations as a coach. If you bring him back and we lose (like we did), then you're an idiot for bringing him back. If you don't bring him back and we lose, then you're an idiot for not bringing back our great clutch PG in favor of an unproven rookie. In any case, he brought him back, and we never scored again. Bigger concern for me tonight was the short rotation. Now that's Rick trying his damndest to win it -- throwing his best guys out there and saying do it. But they didn't. And so it makes you wonder about the minutes and fatigue. But live by the sword, die by the sword. And on this mini-trip we did both. You can look at the trip one of two ways -- either we damn near won them both...or we damn near lost them both. Both are true. Both are irrelevant. 1-1. What we needed to do to stay alive. But not what we needed to do to make a move. Just more water treading heading into the break. And with the trade deadline coming up immediately afterward...well, there's absolutely no way to tell what's going to happen from here on out.
 
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Ron Artest - F... What was with all the threes, one on one plays, and just overall idiotic shots? 0-8 from three? You'd think after the first 5 you might want to stop...

Mike Bibby - F-... That's right, an F-... If it's possible, Mike Bibby has earned it. Totally invisible all game, delivered no energy, and oh yeah btw, he let Atkins drop 11 on us in the third quarter and 17 for the game. Defense was absolutely beyond my understanding.

Kenny Thomas - I... I is not below F in my grading scale, but he's getting an I for being an IDIOT... He had Battier down on the floor, and a WIDE open layup. He didn't need to dribble the ball! Instead, he decides to throw the ball down at Battiers foot like the bar of soap in a jail shower...

Adelman - I... Once again... IDIOT! You are down 2 and you get the ball with 34 on the shotclock... Hmm Adelman, perhaps we might want a TWO FOR ONE! But no, let's not call a timeout, let them play it out, run down the shotclock, and give it to the fumbling idiot listed above.

Martin, Garcia, Brad - B's... Pretty much kept the Kings in the game the whole way through... Nothing real bad to say about these guys...

SAR - Pretty much standard SAR game since he got his wire shut... Not good, not horrible...
 
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Artest and Thomas still played their butts off. No one seems to remember how good a defensive team Memphis is.
 
6th said:
Way to go Kings fans.....rip your team apart. :rolleyes:

And I will... Kings should have realized as much as we did how big of a game this was... On a lighter note, Denver is getting demolished by Phoenix. Which doesn't hurt...
 
SacKings384 said:
Ron Artest - F... What was with all the threes, one on one plays, and just overall idiotic shots? 0-8 from three? You'd think after the first 5 you might want to stop...

I've been saying it for days now - Ron Artest is not a prime option for scoring. He's never been THAT guy ... he's good around 15 shots a game - he's taking 18-20.

He MIGHT be able to do it when he's in prime condition, but he's not. This Artest-offense lovefest is hurting us.
 
playmaker0017 said:
I've been saying it for days now - Ron Artest is not a prime option for scoring. He's never been THAT guy ... he's good around 15 shots a game - he's taking 18-20.

He MIGHT be able to do it when he's in prime condition, but he's not. This Artest-offense lovefest is hurting us.

You can't give it to him when he's hitting, and not when he's off... The Kings gameplan now runs through him. I have no problems with Ron taking as many shots as he did, even if he didn't hit them, it was his shot selection that got me steamed...
 
SacKings384 said:
You can't give it to him when he's hitting, and not when he's off... The Kings gameplan now runs through him. I have no problems with Ron taking as many shots as he did, even if he didn't hit them, it was his shot selection that got me steamed...

Except he's not hitting ... since he's been here.

He's had one decent shooting performance. Even with it - he's sub-40% shooting.

The offense running through Artest is a mistake. He's NOT that type of offensive player, or at least he's never shown that propensity to be that guy.

20 shots is a LOT of shots. A TON! If you are shooting sub-40% and shooting it 20 times ... you hurt the team rather than help.
 
Some of these comments remind me how people use to Bash Webber for having a bad shooting night, then he would shoot good the next game and they would love him like no other.. Ron had a bad shooting game, he pretty much hasnt played profesional ball for 1 and a half seasons, you can see hes trying his hardest for us give the guy a break.
 
Artest can and will be that guy.

I can't believe some people are complaining about him when he's not in full shape, still getting games under him (with Kings and in general), and may still have effects of the hip-pointer.

I'm so glad we have Artest
 
OptimusRhyme said:
Some of these comments remind me how people use to Bash Webber for having a bad shooting night, then he would shoot good the next game and they would love him like no other.. Ron had a bad shooting game, he pretty much hasnt played profesional ball for 1 and a half seasons, you can see hes trying his hardest for us give the guy a break.

and Pedja too
 
OptimusRhyme said:
Some of these comments remind me how people use to Bash Webber for having a bad shooting night, then he would shoot good the next game and they would love him like no other.. Ron had a bad shooting game, he pretty much hasnt played profesional ball for 1 and a half seasons, you can see hes trying his hardest for us give the guy a break.

Well I'll be consistant. The offense chugs with Artest dominating the ball. It works better when Artest touches it, but it keeps moving. This goes for anyone on the team. If he's not shooting well it only worsens things. If Artest is shooting well it doesn't really change things. The team doesn't know what sort of offense it wants to play and it showed with this horrible late game execution lately.

It is also an issue that I think Bibby is sensing he is getting less shots, so he is looking to shoot as soon as he sees an open space.

The offense looks nice with Garcia and Martin's hectic hustle play just because they move the ball and aren't forcing it right now.
 
This Is Schoolyard Crap!!!

I am tired. This is a team sport and we have 5 players on the floor, not 1. All 5 can put the ball in the basket. thats how they all got to this level. The entire world knows in a close game #10 is going to throw it up, good look or not. How about we find out if anyone else can make the big shots coming down the stretch. You, know, let them earn there money. I wonder................................, if we played with the mindset to a man that I do not have to be the hero, but a teammate and the open man is going to take the shot. Its just a hunch, but, I bet we win alot more games, and we do not have to worry about someone throwing up a hope and a prayer. If there not falling for 3+ quarters what should make any of us think there going to fall in the last minutes of a game. We make countless bad decisions in alot of games over who shoots the ball. If your double teamed and you have two other teammates wide open and you put the ball up anyway, you care more about the name on the back of the jersey than you do the one on the front of it. This is getting hard to watch.
 
I can live with Ron's shooting as long as he's giving 100%. You know he did, Memphis is an incredibly good defensive team, we were on a back to back on the road, Ron is still out of shape and still has the hip pointer. It is kind of to be expected. As the season goes on, he gets used to his teammates, in better shape, used to the offense etc. it'll improve. He's the only reason we're like 6-5 our last 11 games anyways, with 4 of those being pretty close losses. He had a bad game, not the end of the world people.
 
and the way i look at it, is even if we do make the playoffs, were gonna get killed anyway, so i dunno, we tried hard tonight, back to back last game went into overtime, everyone played hard, we still lost, but i think we will do better after all star break
 
Grizz are indeed a very good defensive team. I loved the job they did on the Warriors last game. We had tired legs.

Bibby had 17 shots tonight.

Positive is we only had 9 TOs. We just got shot-blocked like crazy, Grizzlies had 14 blocks.
 
Bballkingsrock said:
Man, I really wantede this game with all the chances....

Yeah... I definately know what your talking about. It would have been soooooooo nice to have this game going into all star break.
 
It's a new season after the All-star break. I wasn't excpecting us to win this game. No excuses we should have won, but I'll live with it considering the circumstances. Now is a good time to recuparate, regroup and make a push for the playoffs. I'm just glad there's some effort and passion still out there.
 
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to think of it in a positive way...our shots never fell in, but we somehow still got a close game....the effort was right there.

For some of you maybe it is easier to swallow if we were blown out?
 
BMiller52 said:
I can live with Ron's shooting as long as he's giving 100%. You know he did, Memphis is an incredibly good defensive team, we were on a back to back on the road, Ron is still out of shape and still has the hip pointer. It is kind of to be expected. As the season goes on, he gets used to his teammates, in better shape, used to the offense etc. it'll improve. He's the only reason we're like 6-5 our last 11 games anyways, with 4 of those being pretty close losses. He had a bad game, not the end of the world people.

bull
 
KingKong said:
It's a new season after the All-star break. I wasn't excpecting us to win this game. No excuses we should have won, but I'll live with it considering the circumstances. Now is a good time to recuparate, regroup and make a push for the playoffs. I'm just glad there's some effort and passion still out there.

Absolutely agree
 
piksi said:

No, not really.

Its not about the numbers or even his actual ingame contribution. He's given this team just an incredible spirit transplant and guys have been playing so much harder than they were before. Now wooner or later here, the fact that we are only one player removed from the struggling team we had while Peja was here is going to make itself manifest -- or maybe it already has and 6-5 is about as much as Ron can do by himself. But either way, the team has beeen consistently bringing effort for the first time all season and its made a tangible difference.
 
Bricklayer said:
No, not really.

Its not about the numbers or even his actual ingame contribution. He's given this team just an incredible spirit transplant and guys have been playing so much harder than they were before. Now wooner or later here, the fact that we are only one player removed from the struggling team we had while Peja was here is going to make itself manifest -- or maybe it already has and 6-5 is about as much as Ron can do by himself. But either way, the team has beeen consistently bringing effort for the first time all season and its made a tangible difference.

he might be a main reason but definitely not the only reason
 
Brick, why are you so generous toward Ron? Are you afraid of him? You grade him D for tonight, when he should get an easy F.
C'mon.
 
The Kings might have won had there not been so many attempted threes. I guess Artest and Bibby were trying to stretch the defense when they should have been trying to foul-out the Grizzlies who were camped in the paint.

Reminded me of a bad Webber game. The balls just keep flying from the outside. Maybe fatigue had something to do wit it.

Memphis played tough defense in the fourth quarter.
 
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