Grades v. Celtics 02/13

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Bricklayer

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Peja ( INC ) -- was not off to a very good start in this one, and then looked down, realized he was wearing a jersey which said Sacramento on it, and promptly tweaked a hamstring. Scary injury, just because hammies can linger and linger, but I think they said it might be a cramp? That we can deal with.
Webber ( B+ ) -- wow, hard one to grade. Comes up with his third triple double in 5 games (with a 17, 9 and 9 effort in there too) but really really struggled on offense for the first 30 minutes of this one. Started out missing his jumper, but even after he started going into the post, hooks, tips, everything was finding a way out of the hoop. Rebounding and passing was there all night long, and the offense finally came together during the third quarter. Defensively struggled to stay in the vicinity of Raef LaFrentz around the perimeter, but late in the game provided excellent help defense in the middle. Stepped up yet one more time late in the game -- was involved in almost all of our late plays, carrying us down the stretch along with Bibby, and even more importantly grabbed all of the huge defensive boards we needed to seal it. Gets the "+" for being the absolute man on the boards and stepping it up to help us pull it out.
Miller ( B ) -- had such a great first half, and then just totally disappeared in the second. Celts were keying on him of course, and that always makes it hard for Brad since he really only has the two moves -- jumper or drive straight to the rim. But it was more than just that -- thought in the early third when we started to get in trouble we just forgot about him and were being dumb. But therafter, even as the ball started coming back to him, he just was back into passive spectator mode on offense. Even passed up what could have been a critical open jumper in the last two minutes -- but actually turned out to benefit us as Bibby drained a deep clutch three moments later in the possession. Not much on the boards -- Webb was having to carry us in there tonight.
Mobley ( B+ ) -- was playing a good game for most of the night, but again made mistakes down the stretch. Also began to become something of a defensive liability as we couldn't figure out who to hide him on between Ricky Davis and Pierce, and he lacked the size to really challenge either. Still ended up with a nicely rounded 20pt night from an off guard -- 20pts 5rebs 5ast 3stl generally gets it done -- and was efficient about it too (particularly on the drive where he finsihed almost everything). Didn't force up as many bad shots, and made some sharp unselfish passes along the way.
Bibby ( A- ) -- was simply asleep out there for the first two and a half quarters of play, but woke up at the same time as Webb in the third and was off to the races therafter. He starts 3-11 from the field, and you look up a few minutes later and he's got 27 and is the leading scorer in the game. Nailed big clutch threes, but then turned around and choked more free throws. Bizarre problem he's having there, but right now he is simply not dependable from the stripe at any point of the game. Teamed with Webb to carry the team to victory down the stretch. Nice to actually have players that thrive in the clutch on the team.
Evans ( A ) -- really saved our bacon on a night when we lost Peja early. Stepped up and confidently stroked his jumper from all over the floor. Was having to do yeoman's duty on defense trying to guard both Davis and Pierce, both of whom were tough matchups for Mobley. Made what could have been a dumb play with 12 seconds to go and us up by two -- took an outlet pass from Webb off of the defensive glass, and rather than try to run out the clock turned and immediately charged at the rim. Drew the foul, but if he had missed one of the free throws, C's would have had one more gasp. Fortunately did not catch the teamwide chokitis disease from the stripe, and nailed both of them to seal it.
Barnes ( C ) -- pretty invisible game for Matt. Had a few little bursts of boardwork and hustle, and made a nice assist. Also strayed toward wildness a few times. But mostly, just didn't do much either way. Was out there, did his best on defense, but didn't score, rebound, cause havoc or much of anything else particularly well.
Songaila ( B ) -- went down in fairly frightening fashion in the first half with what looked to be a knee injury. Had been playing pretty well before that. Returned for the second half and while he didn't do much in his late stint, he looked ok physially and bought us a few minutes for Webb. While restricted by lack of length and natural rebounding talent, fought had on the boards tonight and tipped and slapped at anything he could not reach.
House ( C ) -- hustled hard on defense, but did little else in his first half stint

Adelman ( B ) -- well, we repeated many of the same mistakes we have made in the last few weeks, but this time we pulled it out. Critically, finally picked up our defense late to help seal it. Injuries forced Rick to scramble a little, but only a little. Mo and Matt were obvious choices to step up in place of Peja, and Mo in particular did a nice job of filling in. Darius was hardly even missed -- just a few more minutes for Webb really. Rick never panicked as Mike and Webb got off to terrible shooting starts -- shooters keep on shooting until they shoot their way out of it, and that's what happened in both cases tonight. On the other hand Rick again showed cognitive disconnect between a) a team driving the lane at absolute will against us; and b) the presence of a 7'2" shotblocker on our bench who keeps people from driving at will when he's in the game. Seems a pretty obvious solution, but Rick again appeared afraid that Tag could not keep up in a running game, or might not be able to guard big men out at the three point line. Comes a point though where you have to ask Rick, even if you were 100% right about Tag's limitations, how much worse could our defense possibly get if he were in there even against the most moblie of teams?
 
The only grade I'd probably disagree with is CWebb's, and I'd probably only drop him to a B. It's just hard to give a guy a grade that close to an A when his points per shot is 0.608 (!). Still, at least he made shots when it counted in the second half, and he was big on the boards in the 4th.

Good job by the Kings to actually pull this victory out. From a glass is half empty perspective, I'd only point out that they did this to Golden State and the Knicks as well as far as beating teams in close 4th quarter contests who are clearly inferior teams. What does that say about losing to the Mavs, Suns and Sonics in the same fashion?
 
We pulled out the win. Good grades. I agree about the Tag???? I mean it couldn't hurt to stick him in there for a few minutes to disrupt the middle and set some picks. Maybe it's because Tag's FT shooting is intolerable is a reason why he isn't getting PT. :)
 
Webber's grade is right on, he forced to many shots 7-23 is pretty bad. I still wish he would not insist on being "the man" on offense and would give up those shots to Miller and Bibby. Man, just imagine if Brad took more shots...
 
Team grade: A

They got the monkey off their back. They fought back from a 12 point deficit when nothing was going right, and because of heart and determination they got the job done.

Results are what matter. This game was HUGE in terms of team unity, resolve, etc.

:D
 
BullKing said:
Webber's grade is right on, he forced to many shots 7-23 is pretty bad. I still wish he would not insist on being "the man" on offense and would give up those shots to Miller and Bibby. Man, just imagine if Brad took more shots...

And if he had given up we'd be whining about a loss right now. Bibby was yelling at him to shoot when he's open. Adelman was yelling at him to shoot when he's open. You don't just quit because your shots aren't going, especially considering they weren't klunkers.

I wish people would quit criticizing Chris Webber for things like triple-doubles and leading the team to wins.
 
hoops4kings said:
We pulled out the win. Good grades. I agree about the Tag???? I mean it couldn't hurt to stick him in there for a few minutes to disrupt the middle and set some picks. Maybe it's because Tag's FT shooting is intolerable is a reason why he isn't getting PT. :)
Honestly Tag brings no offesnse at all, so if you play him you loose eihter Brad, or Webb... Darius gives Adelman scoring and some D. So the best time to paly Tag is once the starters have built up a sizeable lead and that just has not happened lately.
 
I don't have a problem with Tag not playing, but I have to wonder why Bradley didn't get a couple of minutes. He's mobile, where Tag isn't. He's able to shoot where...well, you know.

Our transition game was bad enough. Putting Tag in would have killed us IMHO.
 
4cwebb said:
The only grade I'd probably disagree with is CWebb's, and I'd probably only drop him to a B. It's just hard to give a guy a grade that close to an A when his points per shot is 0.608 (!). Still, at least he made shots when it counted in the second half, and he was big on the boards in the 4th.

Good job by the Kings to actually pull this victory out. From a glass is half empty perspective, I'd only point out that they did this to Golden State and the Knicks as well as far as beating teams in close 4th quarter contests who are clearly inferior teams. What does that say about losing to the Mavs, Suns and Sonics in the same fashion?

Triple doubles are very hard to come by in this league. The value of that shouldn't be diminished. Scoring is often mistakenly valued so much higher than assists and rebounds. Webber and Bibby carried this team down the stretch and got the team the win. That's the bottom line. The guy deserves an A.
 
Tag is the ONLY player on our entire roster capable of shutting down the middle on defense. Its got to be him unless we make another move before the deadline. Stopping your own man is one thing. Tag can stop EVERYBODY'S man if they get beat.
 
I'm with VF21. Webber had a TRIPLE FREAKING DOUBLE! What more do you want? Perfection? Webber gets an A from me.

Mobley caused yet another turnover today as he wasn't watching the inbounds pass that hit him in the hands. That lowers my grade to a B for him.
 
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HndsmCelt said:
Honestly Tag brings no offesnse at all, so if you play him you loose eihter Brad, or Webb... Darius gives Adelman scoring and some D. So the best time to paly Tag is once the starters have built up a sizeable lead and that just has not happened lately.

I think Karl Malone hit the nail on the head when he criticized Osterfat for not being able to get into shape. The guy is a professional athlete and he looks like he's never worked out a day in his life. When he finally gets some PT he gets winded after about 3 min. It's pretty pathetic.
 
I give the game ball to Mo Evans. He did great with Pedja out!

Kings play great D in the 4th Qtr. I heard that Celtics (who happens to be one of the best Points in the Paint team in the NBA) had more than 40 points in the first 3 Qtrs. But Kings didn't allow anymore in the 4th. The 4th qtr D help them win. They also outrebound the Celtics by 1! :)

Great win by the guys!!

Get well soon, Pedja!

GO KINGS!!!
 
Bricklayer said:
Tag is the ONLY player on our entire roster capable of shutting down the middle on defense. Its got to be him unless we make another move before the deadline. Stopping your own man is one thing. Tag can stop EVERYBODY'S man if they get beat.

He can't stop anyone. All he can do is stand there with his arms outstretched. He can't jump at all and can only get rebounds that fall right into his hands.
 
You know, I'm in too good a mood to argue about grades. Brickie is pretty consistent in his grading procedures and I don't really have a problem with any of them.

Bottom line is WE WON!!!!!!

:D
 
NJKingsFan said:
He can't stop anyone. All he can do is stand there with his arms outstretched. He can't jump at all and can only get rebounds that fall right into his hands.

That's a wonderful stereotype, but of course its simply not true. Easy guy to make fun of, then you watch the difference when he's int he game guarding the rim. He'll never score 20 for you, but his defensive impact is TANGIBLE even when he's not at his best. Slashers are acutely aware of his presence at all times.

BTW, Tag has been one of the best per 48 min rebounders in the league for years. Numbers are down this year in his limited minutes, but still probably the best that we have (Webb is the only guy who might be a tad better, would have to check).
 
bojan - Bad shooting night for Webber in the first half. MUCH BETTER in the second half. At least be accurate.
 
NJKingsFan said:
He can't stop anyone. All he can do is stand there with his arms outstretched. He can't jump at all and can only get rebounds that fall right into his hands.
Anyone who questions Tags effectivness in the paint needs to look at the tape from the Seatle game. With Tag in Seatle got ZERO points in the paint. Once he came out they were cutting a inside like it was a barber shop.
 
Bricklayer said:
That's a wonderful stereotype, but of course its simply not true. Easy guy to make fun of, then you watch the difference when he's int he game guarding the rim. He'll never score 20 for you, but his defensive impact is TANGIBLE even when he's not at his best. Slashers are acutely aware of his presence at all times.

BTW, Tag has been one of the best per 48 min rebounders in the league for years. Numbers are down this year in his limited minutes, but still probably the best that we have (Webb is the only guy who might be a tad better, would have to check).

He might get a block or alter a few shots here and there, but mostly slashers will still attack the lane and draw fouls on him. Even when he's at his best, his lack of conditioning prevents him from playing for any sustained period of time.
 
NJKingsFan said:
He might get a block or alter a few shots here and there, but mostly slashers will still attack the lane and draw fouls on him. Even when he's at his best, his lack of conditioning prevents him from playing for any sustained period of time.
Blatently unture see my post above.
 
I still think that when the other team has lay up afetr lay up after slam dunk etc, it's time to put Tag in. He does make difference, even if for only a few minutes. I never said put the guy in for major minutes or in crunch time, only to stop the bleeding because our guys don't give hard fouls and rarely take charges inside.
 
hoops - My thought was that Adelman didn't want to put him in and risk getting FURTHER behind in points. Because the game worked out, I have to think Adelman made the right decision. I also think that Adelman was going with as tight a rotation as possible because that's what he tends to do to force the starters to play through the losses and get back on the winning track. I may be mistaken, but I think it's something RA has tended to do as far back as I can remember. It was necessity - and the hamstring problem of Pedja's - that had RA going to the bench early today.

I will admit there could be benefits to putting Tag in for limited minutes. I guess I'm really trying to figure out logically why Adelman doesn't do it.

;)
 
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4 in a row was enough for me .... don't know how I woulda' acted if our King's got that 5th.

THANK-YOU ... THANK-YOU ... THANK-YOU
 
VF21 said:
hoops - My thought was that Adelman didn't want to put him in and risk getting FURTHER behind in points. Because the game worked out, I have to think Adelman made the right decision. I also think that Adelman was going with as tight a rotation as possible because that's what he tends to do to force the starters to play through the losses and get back on the winning track. I may be mistaken, but I think it's something RA has tended to do as far back as I can remember. It was necessity - and the hamstring problem of Pedja's - that had RA going to the bench early today.

I will admit there could be benefits to putting Tag in for limited minutes. I guess I'm really trying to figure out logically why Adelman doesn't do it.

;)

I agree with everything you stated. I just wonder if there is any plan to get Tag into some kind of action by playoff time?, also if we will use him at all during the playoffs? I thought we got him to address our major weakness, but he's not gonna get his timing down on the pine. It will be interesting what's in store for him. I think he should spend his time working on his free throws. They look terrible. :)
 
NJKingsFan said:
Triple doubles are very hard to come by in this league. The value of that shouldn't be diminished. Scoring is often mistakenly valued so much higher than assists and rebounds. Webber and Bibby carried this team down the stretch and got the team the win. That's the bottom line. The guy deserves an A.

It certainly makes it difficult, and, as I mentioned, CWebb did have a monster game boarding and assisting. But the grades, at least from my understanding, include an expectation component. If that's the case, then it's expected (to me) that CWebb get at least 10 to 12 boards per game, so he exceeded expectations in that area. He got 12 assists, probably 6 or 7 more than is expected, so he exceeded expectations there. But he hit 7 of 23 shots from the floor, well (WELL) below expectations. I'd think that to earn an A he'd need to meet or exceed expectations in all three areas, and he didn't do that tonight.

I'm not really criticizing his game tonight...sometimes the shots just aren't going to fall. But that doesn't mean he should get an A of any sort on his grade, and being a particularly tough CWebb grader, I'd give him a B.

Bottom line, of course, is that the Kings actually won the game.
 
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