[Grades] Grades v. Cavaliers 1/2/2013
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LWP777
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What happened to him?
kupman
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MT has never made a lot of sense for this team IMHO. A great scorer to be sure, but the only time that I think he make us significantly better is when Reke is injured (which turns out to be quite a lot). We traded Kmart because he and Reke were oil and water. I don't think Reke and MT are any better of a mixture.
Reke himself will need to figure out how to fit in with the current chemistry. This has been the best week of the season for us and it is directly tied to better ball movement and better ball care. The assist to TO ratio has been wonderful of late.
If MT could be packaged with another player (even one of our best players) to land us a very high quality SF, I would be very excited.
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People really need to look at the SF's in the league. There are only a hand full of high quality ones out there. The rest are all about the same.
How's this for a list? Ugh. Came out a little small.
Your point still stands, though. A quality SF would be nice, but I think trimming the roster of midgets and adding serviceable (bigger) bodies would do more for this team in the long run, especially if we could do a 2 for 1 or a 3 for 2 sort of deal...something like (IT/MT/Outlaw) but who would be willing to take it?
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Padrino
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one could say the same of just about every position in the nba. the league is star-driven. has been for a few decades now. gotta own a star or two, and a couple of those "high quality" guys, and the rest of the battle is fitting together the appropriate puzzle pieces. players of a particular position around the league may be "about the same," but it is in the measurable differences between such players where the good GMs separate themselves from the bad GMs. a bad GM (read: geoff petrie) brings in endlessly duplicative skill sets in some desperate attempt to stockpile enough scoring ability to make up for a team's dearth of talent. but in exactly zero scenarios does it make the slightest sense for tyreke evans, marcus thornton, aaron brooks, isaiah thomas, and jimmer fredette to exist on the same team. they are all ball-dominant PG/SG hybrids. and neither john salmons nor francisco garcia are true SF's, though the kings have spent enough time in the past pretending like they both are. james johnson, offensive dolt though he may be, is the kings' one legitimate SF (as is travis outlaw, when the kings play the blazers). so, package a couple of your extraneous guards to bring in another SF who can play defense and also spot up from outside, and all of a sudden it doesn't matter so much that the SF you traded for isn't any kind of world-beater. the kings will have filled a roster need, and will have tightened up their rotation through necessary subtraction. it's no coincidence that the kings are playing better team ball of late because of their injuries. the rotation is tighter, with fewer duplicative skill sets clashing against each other...
note: don't read this as any kind of indictment of tyreke evans. we all know where i stand regarding his place on this team.
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Kingster
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Yes, teams in the hunt for the playoffs alway like to have a guy who can come off the bench and score.
I'm cautiously optimistic as well. There seems to have been a huge turn in the assist making on this team. You don't always see the execution, but the good intent seems to be there.
Padrino
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the kings record of 12-20, for a .375 win percentage, is thus far a modest improvement on their total win percentage of .333 in '11-'12. but if you want a sobering reality, golden state finished that lockout-shortened season at 23-43, for a .348 win percentage. they are 22-10 right now, for a win percentage of .688, with andrew bogut still stashed on the IR. and, apart from OKC's dominance, san antonio's fountain of youth, and the clippers living up to their promise, the western conference is wide open. dallas is as unlikely to make the playoffs as the kings are. the lakers may actually miss the playoffs altogether. it's a scrum with houston, denver, portland, minnesota, utah, and LA all vying for the final few seeds. this year was the year to make a run at the playoffs. and the kings once again stumbled out of the gate. 4.5 games is actually a lot of ground to make up. in the immediate sense, it would require the kings to go on a 9 or 10-game win streak to vault them towards the 8th seed. in a slightly more realistic vein, the kings would need to go 31-19 in their remaining games (43-82 finish, for a .524 win percentage) to get up to a win percentage worthy of that final playoff spot as it stands right now (with portland at 16-15, for a .516 win percentage)...
edit: i recognize that you were not claiming the kings had a shot at the playoffs. however, things do remain far from rosy. this team finished second-to-last in the western conference last season. they are third-to-last so far this season. i don't care about "everything that has happened this year." if the kings were to maintain last season's percentage, or were to slide backward, it would represent a total failure. as it stands, an improvement of a few games also represents a failure in my eyes. this team has been playing better of late, and if they can continue to play better, perhaps a sliver of hope will get them inching up the standings. but i don't personally find it "crazy" that the kings are currently "only" 4.5 games out of the 8th seed. it's right where they should be, given the way they've been GM'ed and coached, and given the way they've played. but their talent level begs for a better record. if they were 2.5 games out of the 8th seed, then we could talk about "crazy" outcomes...
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Bricklayer
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You won't be laughing once we flip TRob and Travis Outlaw into Pau Gasol and go on a 32-18 tear down the stretch of the season behind our tripple tower Cousins/JT/Pau frontlline.
Padrino
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You won't be laughing once we flip TRob and Travis Outlaw into Pau Gasol and go on a 32-18 tear down the stretch of the season behind our tripple tower Cousins/JT/Pau frontlline.
to be fair, i'm not laughing now...
however, that is what i'd call "crazy," and i would be laughing if the kings managed to pull the trigger on something so off-the-charts ridiculous, and then subsequently managed to convince keith smart to play BIG...
Oh for sure. But how many teams have been successful, especially young squads when their best player has been suspended 3 times in 2 months while not playing nearly up to his potential the second best player missing a month while only playing well for an 8 game stretch when he was in the lineup, the third best player has missed 6 or 7 games while also not playing up to his talent level. Add in Smart being an idiot most of the year and our role players only deciding to come play basketball the last few weeks and I find it to be a miracle that we're still in reach of a playoff spot.
Hadlowe
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You won't be laughing once we flip TRob and Travis Outlaw into Pau Gasol and go on a 32-18 tear down the stretch of the season behind our tripple tower Cousins/JT/Pau frontlline.
Stern just nixed that deal for "basketball reasons."
kupman
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Without derailing this thread too far, I like the names Paul George, Batum and either one of the SF in Philly. You add any one of those guys to the front line of DMC and JT and we would have ourselves one sweet looking front line.
You won't be laughing once we flip TRob and Travis Outlaw into Pau Gasol and go on a 32-18 tear down the stretch of the season behind our tripple tower Cousins/JT/Pau frontlline.
Hey that actually works if you throw Brooks and Cisco into the deal.
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Those first 2 guys aren't going anywhere be realistic.
Tetsujin
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Batum's contract is also patently ridiculous.
jalfa
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uhh...no? compare him to other significant SFs, all of whom he has outperformed this season (Gay, Granger, Deng) and he's actually underpaid. the way he's been playing this year more than justifies his salary.
HereWeBoogie
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if Cousins maintains this level of play and composure in Toronto tomorrow and again against Brook Lopez in Brooklyn, im going to start to get really excited
Tetsujin
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It's kind of hard not to outperform a guy who hasn't played this year.
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KingMilz
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I think the best we can get right now is Wilson Chandler once he returns from injury
HereWeBoogie
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im a huge fan of Paul George. unfortunately so are the Pacers.
we need to give Honeycutt a chance. he has the ability to be a good defender. and he has shown in D-League that hes a good deep shooter and an excellent rebounder for his position
we need to give Honeycutt a chance. he has the ability to be a good defender. and he has shown in D-League that hes a good deep shooter and an excellent rebounder for his position
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We have the samething in JJ at a cheaper price.
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KingMilz
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KingMilz
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Here we go with the stats again...have you watched Chandler play? Have you watched JJ play? JJ gets most his buckets on lay ups and drives, putback and leak outs. Chandler gets most of his mid range and 3 and the occasionly drive/dunk. Chandler is known for having a jumpshot James Johnson is the opposite, Chandler can space the floor far better and you have to respect his shot. People leave Johnson open for a reason, they don't with Wilson
But lets go according to your thoery I guess Blake Griffin is a better shooter than LaMarcus Alridge 47% and Blake Griffin 53% wow look at that Griffin is better cause of stats.
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LWP777
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I think you make a pretty good point
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Chandler is a career .323 3pt shooter. Last year he played in China and the few NBA games he shot .392 so who knows what his shooting % would have been for the full 66%, but the end of last year and first few games this year he is shooting 25% on 3pters.
His career FT% is 78.4.
Those stats do not equal having a jump shot. It's not horrible stats, but nothing to get excited about. So fine he's the same as we have in Salmons right now who has better 3pt% and FT% which BTW is also about the same as Cisco. See a trend here yet?
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KingMilz
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LMAO yeap stats tell the full story to every picture, I mean really? Seriously go watch people play, lmao yeah Salmons must be a better 3 point shooter cause stats say so. Lets just disregard Wilson is a far superior defender,good size @SF, better athlete, doesn't need the ball all that much to score and rebounder.
O look Jimmer shoots 37% from 3 points range for his career so him and John Salmons are equal shooters, Royal Ivey shoots 35% from 3 point range in his career damn hes as good as Jimmer right? Josh Smith this season is avg 38% from 3 wow he mst be a gun shooter.
See a trend there? Easy to cherry pick stats rather than actually watching both and comparing.
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Jimmer is a small sample size. This year it's 41.4% so the trend is up. Salmons has had some good years shooting so yes you could say he has proven to be a good 3pt shooter last year being his worst, but he has rebounded to be above his career this year.
Yes he's a better rebounder, but has a lot worse assist/to ratio to Salmons. His rebounds, size and defense are comparable to JJ.
But like I said. Trading for Chandler doesn't make the team any better than what we have now. And what would be the cost?
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