Grades v. Cavaliers 01/27

Biggest factor in the less bad than expected loss?

  • Cavs didn't take us seriously

    Votes: 26 41.3%
  • As their former assistant, Natt knew the Cavs weaknesses

    Votes: 4 6.3%
  • Kevin showing off for friends and family

    Votes: 16 25.4%
  • We are just that good

    Votes: 17 27.0%

  • Total voters
    63
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
10-36, but a better looking loss. Well...if you ignore getting outrebounded 49-25 and giving up 117pts to another team (we are allowing an unheard of 114ppg to opponents in January).

Only 3 people got the margin right (6-10pts) in a game that probably ended up about right scorewise, but that saw us down by 20 in the 4th. PMs are going out -- it will be their theme choice for tommorow (if anybody responds).

Tonight, as promised: 10 Best SFs in Kings History

Salmons ( B- ) -- the good news is that Salmons has been one guy actually playing in the 4th quarter of games this month. That bad news is he is doing exactly jack and...dung for the three quarters that proceed it, and these one quarter games of his are creating havoc for my grading schemes. Spent most of the game getting whipped by LeBron, and getting chippy about it too. Did have a couple of good early takes, but LeBron was sitting at 17pts 10rebs 5ast by halftime and the only time he got stopped was when we triple teamed him. Meanwhile I think John was in single digits through three quarters. As usual opened the 4th trying to do his force takeover thing with Kevin out, but swarming defense caused him to almost turn it over and Natt only let him do it for a minute or two before resinserting Kevin (John did not lok happy). After he returned latyer he was caught somewhere in between padding his stats and being a 4th quarter hero again. A couple of 4th quarter hits, including a three, which were far too little too late, but did succeed in getting LeBron reinserted (uh...yay?). And then just took it right at LeBron after he returned, spalshing two shots in his face and then getting inside and to the line. Of course it just did not matter with us letting the Cavs score every trip as well, and predictably the more evident that became, the more John started going one on one and forcing, particularly after one starnge play where Kevin bizarrely passed up a perfect wide open three so he could rack up a turnover instead. So, stuck on this one I am going to pay rather more respect to the scoring numbers and 4th quarter push than I probably should. This wasn't actaully a good game, this was a good quarter. And the goodness in the quarter came after we were already down 15-20. So I was tempted by the C+ type grades.
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#1 Ron Artest
Career Stats
With Kings: 06-08
Best Year With The Kings: 07-08 20.5pts 5.8reb 3.5ast 2.3stl 0.7blk
Love him or hate him, here he is. So recent as to be an uninteresting selection, and with only one player anybody might quibble should be above him, this should be a simple selection, and yet it wasn't. Ron Artest is a remarkable talent. He can play both ends of the court in dominant fashion. His physicality makes him a nightmare matchup for the finesse weenies that infest a sport like basketball. He has amazingly quick and strong hands on defense, understands the draw and kick, how to split double teams, his outside shot is very underrated, and other than unacceptably pedestrian rebounding numbers, he fills up a stat sheet as well as anybody below the Lebron class of players. And yet he will never be what he could be, could never be our main man, because of the solid rock perched atop his shoulders. Selfish, deluded, troubled, his years with us were ultimately failures like his years with everybody else have been, but as we spiral into oblivion here, it becomes more and more obvious just what an impact he had for us just by elevating what have been exposed as a very sad set of teammates to a facade of competititveness.


Thompson ( B- ) -- not much against what's left of Big Ben in the early going. Had one good hit where he gathered himself in the post, but otherwise looked uncomfortable and was almost completely shut off of the boards. Started off the second half better, and was attacking Wallace inside and out (and Wallace was laughable at the other end, fumbling passes, badly missing a dunk, airballing a FT, you name it) Jason in fact was actually the main guy keeping us in it there for a stretch as the Cavs were flirting with getting it to double figures in the third. Did not have much to do late as once again Natt smallballed down the stretch, because I guess he decided we weren't getting whipped on the glass badly enough (49-25) as it was. Then again with us in azone most of the night, Jason did absolutely nothing for us on the glass this time out, so maybe it really did not matter. 16pts, 2rebs -- kind of the Kevin Martin of PFs this time out, and so I could not go any higher with this grade. Kevin's one dimensionality keeps him from being elite, but he still plays a position with a lot of one dimensional guys. A PF with that kind of one dimensionality...well, lets hope (and I do assume) its just a one time aberration.
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#2 Peja Stojakovic
Career Stats
With Kings: 98-06
Best Year With The Kings: 03-04 24.2pts 6.3reb 2.1ast 1.3stl 0.2blk
And once Ron Ron appeared at #1, it was of course beyond obvious who would be sitting there at #2. And it should have been equally obvious which picture I was going to use. Dreamy golden boy and the object of Ailene's adoration, the designated shooter right through the golden era of Sacramento Kings basketball, and now filling a similar (although much deteriorated) role for another great team down in New Orleans. He never had the versatility to his game that Ron did, did not have that same sheen of potential franchise player. But as a steady weapon that you could just plug into a great team, few were better. One of the best long range shooters to pass through the NBA, and despite physical limitations eventually worked himself into respectability in most other areas of the game. Was never the same after his fellow countryman and mentor Vlade left, and got exposed toward the end of his run with the Kings. Complaints about his toughness, hustle and heart helped sour his once golden reputation in Sacramento, but I suspect that will eventually fade as his time here gets the romantic wash of being part of "the good ole days."


Miller ( C ) -- had a couple of early scores, then disappeared for the rest of the half and in fact rarely played after recieving a little cut over his eyebrow. Not sure if it was related or not. Was back out for the beginning of the third, and for a while there at least provided a little rebounding on a night when basically nobody else did (Kevin led the team with 7). But then largely disappeared for the remainder of the game as we experimented with Spencer and of course more smallball. His opponents inside did absolutely nothng as well, which factored into holding this grade up. But Brad was inolved for maybe 6 minutes of this one at the very beginning , and then jsut no part of the story thereafter.
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#3 Lionel Simmons
Career Stats
With Kings: 90-97
Best Year With The Kings: 91-92 17.1pts 8.1reb 4.3ast 1.7stl 1.7blk
And now we move out of the realm of the obvious, and into the realm of the many good but not great SFs the Kings have trotted out there over the losing years. Truly a testament to how easy it is to find a 15-18ppg wing scorer, and juat how little most of them matter to W/Ls. L-Train is my choice for #3 however, because ugly, flatfooted, and unathletic as his game was, as the numbers show, he could truly do it all (including getting his flatfooted post moves blocked at a remarkable rate). Part of our historic (and historically blundered) 4 first round picks in 1990, he finished 2nd in the rookie of the year voting, and was steady and versatile for us at a time when few of our guys were. Lacking only a smooth stroke on his jumper, he looked destined to one day be a roleplaying do everything sidekick on a good team surrounded by great players. When Mitch arrived, I thought maybe the Mitch/Lionel pairing would be the beginning of a turnaround for us, but alas, bad knees cut off Lionel's productive years after only 4 seasons. He hung around for a few years thereafter -- he was known as a good locker room guy -- but just as an end of the bench shell of himself.
 
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Martin ( A ) -- showing off for mom and pop -- doesn't seem any other way to explain this performance from a slumping player who looked completely out of answers against some of the league's (non-Kings) dregs just 48 hours before. Early fireworks...on offense. For a long while there was giving up nearly as many as he was scoring to Pavlovic, which is not a good thing. But on his preferred side of the ball Pavlovic had no hope and no quickness to stay in front of him. A place and an opponent where the Cavs particularly missed their twin-PG backcourt wiht Delonte West out. And it wasn't that Kevin was just scoring -- defense aside he was also dishing assists, rebounding, and while there was a lot of funny jerks and flopping gong on, it was...for lack of a better term "aggressive flopping". He was attacking, not just looking to be bailed out. Even on defense, while he let guys who should not score, score, on a handful of occasions when he was either switched onto LeBron or part of a dooble teaming scheme he showed some fight and made an effort that we have not often seen this year. Whole game just felt much more forceful than usual. Was slowed when the Cavs switched quicker defenders on him (Tarance Kinsey in particular) but not stopped. And while he may have faded a bit in the 4th, it was not a complete disappearance this time. Did have one bizarre mental error down the stretch with us...well, we were done, but we could have at least made it a little tighter so that Lebron would have felt compelled to take it over. Anyway, we get a breakaway, ran it nicely to get Kevin a wide open side three on a hot night, and he mysteriously refuses to shoot it and instead throws a blind errant pass to Bobby Brown which is picked up by the Cavs going the other way. Why?? If it weren't for the long series of late game disappearances and flubs this past month you maybe say the ball just did not feel right in his hands or whatever, but given what's gone on, makes you wonder if he wanted that shot. In any case, clearly the weapon that kept us hovering aroudn in this one, and one of the best all around game you are going to see Kevin play. In fact if this is the way Kevin plays in front of friends and family back in Ohio I think I have a solution that will satisfy everybody: just trade Kevin Martin for LeBron. They get another local guy who still puts up Lebron numbers (35 7 and 7), and no longer have to deal with LeBron's upcomign free agency. Kevin's family gets to watch him up close. And we get LeBron. See? Everybody is happy.
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#4 Eddie Johnson
Career Stats
With Kings: 85-87
Best Year With The Kings: 85-86 18.7pts 5.1reb 2.6ast 0.7stl 0.2blk
Almost a choice made on reputation as much as my fuzzy memories of him as a King. EJ was a pure shooter of a swingman that arrived with the team from Kansas City. In KC he had been a 20+ ppg scorer, but in Sacramento, and almost all of his subsequent stops over his long (17 year) NBA career, he was moved to the bench as one of the league's best 6th men. And pure shooter or not, he understood that you had to do more than just shoot the ball, and would give you some defensive effort.


Udrih ( D+ ) -- okay -- let's get this out of the way first: Beno's opponent tonight racked up 43pts 8rebs and 11ast. Beno had 8pts 0rebs and 5ast. Now how high could his grade possibly go under those circumstances? Bizarro Beno showed up again in the early going, doing absolutely nothing on offense EXCEPT hitting 2 three points, the second of them a key one as the Cavs were threatening to open it up just before half. After half almost no Beno showed up, although he did set up a handful fo our shooters. On the other end -- ouch. Of course not all of those 43 were on Beno, and Mo was just unconscious no matter who was guarding him. He lit up Brown with equal efficiency, and somehow I don't think occassionally switiching Kevin off onto him was the solution (alas, I remember in Kevin's early career when he actually tried on defense and we could actually use him on PGs sometimes to decent effect). So we get 8pt 5ast Beno after 6pt 5ast Beno, and what do you do with those type numbers? Well, when the other guy is putting up career numbers, not much.
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#5 Rodney McCray
Career Stats
With Kings: 88-90
Best Year With The Kings: 89-90 16.6pts 8.2reb 4.6ast 0.7stl 0.8blk
A tougher choice here, in particular because the whole situation around Rodney was so disappointing. Rodney had been a key roleplaying do everything fill in the gaps SF for the original Twin Towers teams in Houston. Until we, in all our 80s wisdom decided to trade our 20-10 PF (Thorpe) for him (along with Jim Petersen) and ask him to be somehting he'd never been -- a star. At that time we were in fact a wonderful laboratory to explore the good numbers on a bad team phenomenon as we constantly traded for lesser lights and gave them the green light. Things were compounded by McCray putting on a lot of weight due at least in part to a medical issue, and he ended up playign some PF too with the added girth. He was still a do it all guy -- and like Lionel after him really filled out a stat sheet in a way that should put our current pretenders to shame. But he was no star, and after a couple of seasons we realized that and gave up on the idea, trading him I think for Bill Wennington and two of our four #1s in 1990.


Cisco ( C ) -- good first half stint joining the shooting party, blocking a three point shot, and giving us another burst of energy while the Cavs slumbered. Of course because he has more heart than brain, also aided the Cavs' reawakening by playing too fast and trying to quickshot in hero shots as the Cavs started to rumble. Quit hitting in the second half, and made the same mistake Brown did in the 4th, fouling Boobie Gibson out beyond the three point line for a trio of FTs. Guy was 1-8 form the field dudes, no need for that.
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#6 Hedo Turkoglu
Career Stats
With Kings: 00-03
Best Year With The Kings: 01-02 10.1pts 4.5reb 2.0ast 0.7stl 0.4blk
And here, if anybody cared, is a chocie that could be controversial, resting as much on the times in which he played and his subsequent career arc as on his actual production while a King. A key reserve on the best Kings teams, well, ever, Brother Hedo was another do it all type of guy and a great teammate. Shoot, pass, defend, play three (and maybe 4) positions, he could fill every hole. He has gone on to blossom into a near All-Star level player, which made this easier. And his ability to consistently contribute to winning squads in Sacramento, San Antonio, and now Orlando sets him apart form the next man on this list.


Hawes ( B- ) -- aggressive offensively in the early going, to mixed effects, in his second quarter stint. Had a couple of good inside moves, as well as a bad miss and a turnover. Once again the single big of choice as Natt smallballed down the stretch in a game where we were doubled up on the glass. Able to go over the top of the Big Z-less Cavs frontline, but not able to rebound over the top of them, which goes more to effort than anything else. Even in a zone he was the closest man to the hoop.
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#7 John Salmons
Career Stats
With Kings: 06-09
Best Year With The Kings: 08-09 18.7pts 4.0reb 3.4ast 1.0stl 0.2blk
Now selecting John here...well, the next two guys on the list defintely had talent, but they were also oddballs with distinct holes to their games. John is the more explosive player, and more complete...as an OG at least. He can score, he can defend, he can even pass when he so chooses. Whether he can actually play in such a way as to do any of the above while helping a good team...well, that is the question. And maybe it will become Portland's headache here in a few days rather than ours.
 
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Jackson ( D ) --16 of the emptiest minutes you are even going to encounter. Why he got them, only the shadow knows. Mostly worked against the Cavs bakcups, who largely ignored him, and not able to slow Mo anymore than anybody else who checked him. Gave us 0pts (0-2 shooting) 0rebs and 1ast in 16+ minutes, and holding the grade up here just because he did not really do much to affirmatively hurt us. Just an obligatory 5th body on the floor for us when he was out there though.
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#8 Corliss Williamson
Career Stats
With Kings: 95-00, 04-07
Best Year With The Kings: 97-98 17.7pts 5.6reb 2.9ast 1.0stl 0.6blk
I will be honest here -- when we selected Corliss in the draft I didn't think there was any chance it would work out. An undersized (VERY undersized) college center, he had a power player's game on a 6'6" type body. And if that is all he had turned out to be, it wouldnt have worked out. He would have been out of the league in three years. But he came into the league, realized it was not going to work, and to his credit reinvented himself, shedding weight and learning to attack from the perimeter. His best year for us was classic good numbers on bad team stuff, but his toughness, class and power game made him a useful roleplayer for good teams both here and in Detroit (where he won 6th man of the year). He never could defend quickness, lacked the hops to be much of a rebounder at his size, but like Ron at the top of this list his strength was a matchup nightmare for scrawny little swingmen venturing up to SF.


Brown ( B- ) -- in off the bench firing smoothly and helped us push open our brief first half lead. Second half did not go as well. Started out the 4th quarter fouling Boobie Gibson on athree point attempt, which quickly balooned the lead to 9, did get a pair of Fts as we tried to keep it under double fiugures but then missed an open three, saw Mo Williams coem back into score on him again, and Natt had seen enough with us down 13.
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#9 Walt Williams
Career Stats
With Kings: 92-96
Best Year With The Kings: 94-95 16.4pts 4.5reb 4.1ast 1.6stl 0.8blk
I remember Walt's rookie season -- we lost Mitch to injury, and saw the Wizard became our goto guy. And briefly you saw hope theer. maybe the guy could be a star. An ugly, unatheltic (notice how almost all of our SFs have been shaky athletes?), clumsy looking star like he was back in college at Maryland. He put up big numbers, but it was a bit of a mirage and the defense and general softness on the other end alwaysa held down his value. Once again the big numbers on a bad team syndrome -- we just came down the floor, threw the ball to him, and let him do whatever he wanted. Sometimes the result was great -- I remember a fun game with him dominating the Stockton/Malone Jazz. But ofttimes it was not. And it was not the sort of thing that he was going to be able to do once we got Mitch back and had a real offensive structure. After a couple of years of struggling to find a role when he was no longer the man, he was shipped off to Miami. Eventually he did find a roleplayer role in the leguae as a 3pt specialist.


Bricklayer ( A+ ) -- truly outstanding. I needed an extra grade for the last SF, and who better to receive accolades than me. Bravo!
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#10 Billy Owens
Career Stats
With Kings: 96-98
Best Year With The Kings: 97-98 10.5pts 7.5reb 2.8ast 1.2stl 0.4blk
This was a shaky one for me, and I considered Cisoc for this spot, Terry Tyler, even Gerald Wallace based on what he has become. But in the end despite how much I detested this lazy malcontent, here he is: #10 Billy Owens. Another do it all guy who ate himself into some PF time, he had a lot of talent, but no heart or brain to ever really tap into it. Of course the greatest thing he ever did for us, and the tipper to him appearing on this list, was be the guy we initially traded for Mitch Richmond (who we eventually traded for Chris Webber). So he is really directly responsible for the onyl two frnachise players we've ever really had. It was not unutil a few years later that he would eventually appear in a Sacto uniform as he bounced around the league. But he bounced around as a productive, if unreliable, starter, and that set him apart from any of the other remaining options.
 
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Dammit!

Dammit, dammit, dammit!!

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I had finally recovered from the last time you posted that picture, and now you went and done it again.

Oh well. Back to therapy I go.

I was waiting to see if you'd check in on this one. I was actually hoping he'd use the picture of Peja in classic Greek soldier regalia, but no such luck...

;)
 
Just feel lucky Serge Monia didn't turn into a beast.

His beefcake picture is forever etched into my mind for the sheer over the top WTF factor.
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What happened to Lionel Simmons during the 94-95 season? I know he started getting injured often but he went from a 15-18pt scorer to a 5pt scorer in one year. The only played 58 games that year after almost a full season the year before but his points and minutes went way down. Did he get hurt at the beginning of the season and just lost what he had? Or did his production fall off because we drafted Brian Grant and Michael Smith?
 
Wow, to have to pick top 10 in Sac Kings history at SF. I can think of around 5-6 that I'd want to mention, but after that it gets pretty skinny. Of course, if it was in franchise history - no sweat! I hope we never have to bare top 10 centers in Sac Kings history. Surely, bottom 5-6 of "best" would look no different from some joke of a "worst" list:eek:
 
Give them all A's for this game. This was the greatest Fantasy game of all time for me. Who did I have playing tonight, well let's see.

LeBron James
Mo Williams
Kevin Martin
Jason Thompson

Bang! Get these numbers.

117 points, 29 assists, 32 rebounds, 6 steals, 4 blocks from one game. I defy someone to come up with better numbers from one game.
 
Do you remember what Nick van Exel used to do to us when he was with the Mavs? Pretty much exactly what Mo Williams did last night.
 
Yeah, Van Exel was for sure a Kings Killer. that back court matchup of Bibby/Bobby vs Nash/Van Exel was alot of fun though. But I got like a gray hair for each game they played I think.
 
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