[Grades] Grades v. Bucks 12/12/2012

Kings awesome player of game? Woot!

  • John Salmons

    Votes: 2 14.3%
  • Jason Thompson

    Votes: 3 21.4%
  • Tyreke Evans

    Votes: 7 50.0%
  • Thomas Robinson

    Votes: 2 14.3%

  • Total voters
    14
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
You know, if I have to do too many more games where we see a starting lineup of Jason Thompson, Travis Outlaw, John Salmons, Francisco Garcia and Aaron Brooks there won't BE any more grades threads. That's embarrassing and pointless and not even worth my time. We can just go to permanent nightly girls threads instead to keep people entertained until the next real NBA lineup takes the court wearing our jerseys.

We'll do a theme of Craters...seems vaguely appropriate. Unless we've done that before/recently? Know I was planning it. Will have to go check. Anyway...

Boxscore


Stats: 36min 16pts (7-14, 1-5, 1-1) 3reb 1ast 0stl 2blk 1TO
Salmons ( B- ) -- hey guys, come and meet the new "star" of our new starting linuep. Woot woot! We're lucky there is no tradition of franchise relegationon this side of the Atlantic (moving weaker teams down into lower divisions and stronger ones up into higher ones). Was ineffective offensively in the first half. Think he had something like 2pts heading into halftime, although we were getting some good efforts on defense. You could tell how the 3rd was going to go though from the first play, where we immediately ran a curl play to get John one of his devastating midrange jumpers in traffic. Well, that didn't work, but it was a sign of a John Salmons as goto guy 2008 flashback quarter (hell, Cisco was there starting next to him! And Travis Outlaw! And...holy flashback Batman. Or maybe just acid trip. Except I don't take acid. Although this team makes me want to sometimes. Or maybe cyanide. Er...anyway, where was I?). So, John hit a three a minnute later to cut the lead back to 5 (the only one he hit on the night -- he would actually airball one later in the quarter), and then got out on the break to become the first King to dazzle with double figure scoring. You could kindly call the scoring "low impact", but hey, it was scoring, and surrounded by scrubs and guys who shouldn't even be in the league it looked positively professional. Given the calber of his teammates, its probably not a surprise that this was a scoring effort rather than wasting his time trying to set people up (who exactly?).
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Oldest Crater On Earth Discovered in Greenland -- this was actually the story that made me think of this for a possible theme one day. Back during the summer a story came out that a researcher up in Greenland had come upon a novel explanation for a series of geologic features he just couldn't explain otherwise -- he suddenly realized he was standing in the heart of the most ancient impact crater on the planet. 3 billion years old ancient. And 62 miles wide. Except that calculations of erosion estimate that when it hit it would have been over 300 miles wide, caused by a planet killer if there ever was one (the estimiated asteroid would have been 20 miles wide, the one that finished the dinosaurs is thought to have been 6-9). Fortunately there was no life to wipe out back then, because if it happened today nothing larger than a microbe would make it -- the largest nuclear weapon ever set off, the Tsar Bomba, released 50 megatons of energy, which is 3000 times as much as Hiroshima. The meteor which hit Greenland 3 billion years ago would have released something like 100 million megatons of energy.

Stats: 16min 6pts (1-6, 0-1, 4-4) 4reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Outlaw ( D+ ) -- why? There is no posisble explanation for this one. If you're going to throw a game, throw your struggling rookie out there as a starter at PF, not your washed up vet SF. In any case, got the start (the START!!) and quickly burned thorugh whatever remaining goodwill he had from the Portland aberration, or at least would have with any reasonable coach. Shot 0-4 in the first half, including an airballed corner three, and somehow turned Mbah a Moute into an offensive weapon the other way. Rode the John Salmons train to modest comeptence in the third when he actually hit a jumper and some FTs, and mistakenly stumbled into the path of several rebounds. But come on.
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Barringer Crater, Arizona -- aka the Crater where Warhawk took his son. You should too. Located about 50 miles outside of Flagstaff, and if you've never been you should go. And bring a kid along with you, it'll leave an impression. Plus you can tell them that naughty little boys/girls who don't do their homework have giant rocks fall on their head too. Anyway, this is the world's most famous and best preserved crater. The latter both because it is one of the youngest, and because its out in the middle of a nice dry desert (although they think when it hit 50,000 years ago it might have been grasslands). Its also just a tiny tiny little baby crater compared to the Greenland monstrosity, "only" a mile wide and 600 feet deep, caused by a rock that was "only" about half a football field in diameter and "only" released 10 megatons or so of energy (about 5-600 hiroshimas). So sure, if it hit a city it would completely obliterate it, leaving a mile wide smoking hole 500 feet deep where the buildings used to be and incinerating everything within 20 miles. But hey, life goes on right? Unless you are anywhere even remotely in the neighborhood of course.

Stats: 33min 8pts (4-10, 0-0, 0-1) 15reb 1ast 2stl 1blk 2TO
Thompson ( B- ) -- some good hustle plays in the early first to get hoops around Dalembert, but it was a struggle for him all game long in there as his interior shots were repeatedly blocked or altered. When he returned was a little out of control and flaily. Was doing yeoman's work on the glass however, which is an absolute necessity when your coach has thrown out an Outlaw/Salmons/Cisco/Brooks quartet as your teammates. Was rewarded for his chugging along effort by having his tooth broken off when he took an inadvertent forearm to the face late in the first half. Saw him pause and grab his mouth an walk out of the play, and was preparing to be annoyed if it was all drama for the refs. But as play continued, he saw that the ball was still alive and jumped back into it to block the Bucks' attmpted shot, grab the resulting defensive board, and then go over and and hand his tooth to the trainer in pieces before keeping on playing. There's some all Madden team for you. Continued to be effective as our sole rebounder after half, but swarmed inside and never able to provide much of an interior attack. largely played Daly to a draw in their minutes together.
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Rio Cuarto Craters, Argentina -- a series of ten odd depressions in northern Argentina were finally investigated and explained in the early 1990s when an Argentinian pilot provided aerial photgraphs of them to astronomers. The series of teardrop shaped gouges, some as large as a mile in length, stretched for miles across as area known as the Northern Basin, and certianly did not look like classic craters. But meteor debris scattered through the area suggested they were, and models finally showed that what likely happened was a large object came in at a very shallow angle (perhaps as little as 15 degrees, whihc is very rare) and broke up before impact, with large chunks of it skipping across the surface tearing great gouges into the earth and creating a 25 mile long wall of fire and debris. The asteroid is thought to have been something like a large lump of soot in composition, meaning that when it exploded it would have released huge clouds of carbon monoxide to asphyixiate anything that survived the initial blast, resulting in a very exciting day for the local wildlife 10,000 years ago or so. Which is just young enough there may have even been people around to see the fireball and say "holy ****" in ancient proto-Incan (you wonder where myths about "firebirds" and the like come from?)

Stats: 22min 3pts (1-5, 0-2, 1-2) 5reb 1ast 0stl 2blk 1TO
Garcia ( D+ ) -- so finally we got to see the roleplayer out there now with a team totally stripped of ALL of its stars,and you suddenly remembered, uh, oh yeah. Roleplayer. Ineffective in the extreme, although it took a long time for Ellis to get going the other way to make it a blowout. Could not hit his shots, not even the wide open threes he is supposed to hit. You barely noticed him elsewhere. Returned late in the game and somehow ended up checking Ilyasova, who went right over him to grab a big rebound that helped close the door on any silliness we might have planned.
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Tunguska Event, Middle of Nowhere, Siberia -- in 1908 Earth nearly has its newest big crater, as something big and ill intentioned blew up just above Siberia with a force of 10-15 megatons (about 1000 Hiroshimas), completely flattering 800 square miles of forest and leaving an impression on the locals: "At breakfast time I was sitting by the house at Vanavara Trading Post [65 kilometres/40 miles south of the explosion], facing north. [...] I suddenly saw that directly to the north, over Onkoul's Tunguska Road, the sky split in two and fire appeared high and wide over the forest [as Semenov showed, about 50 degrees up—expedition note]. The split in the sky grew larger, and the entire northern side was covered with fire. At that moment I became so hot that I couldn't bear it, as if my shirt was on fire; from the northern side, where the fire was, came strong heat. I wanted to tear off my shirt and throw it down, but then the sky shut closed, and a strong thump sounded, and I was thrown a few metres. I lost my senses for a moment, but then my wife ran out and led me to the house. After that such noise came, as if rocks were falling or cannons were firing, the earth shook, and when I was on the ground, I pressed my head down, fearing rocks would smash it. When the sky opened up, hot wind raced between the houses, like from cannons, which left traces in the ground like pathways, and it damaged some crops. Later we saw that many windows were shattered, and in the barn a part of the iron lock snapped."
 
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Stats: 35min 10pts (3-11, 1-7, 3-3) 1reb 6ast 1stl 1blk 4TO
Brooks ( C- ) -- ineffective in the early minutes, or, well, for most of his minutes. Stupidly overpenetrated and picked up the offensive foul to close the first, and that would be a pattern all night long. Got a three to fall at the start of the second on the wide open kick from Johnson, but it would be the only one on the night as he threw them up and threw them up, but ended up only 1-7 on the night. Hit the continuation play in the mid 3rd to cut the lead back to 3, but for the most part mixed in forced drives with his three point bricks for a toxic combo. Started the 4th getting scored over by Eliis, then added another out of control drive and offensive foul tunover. Somehow nothced nearly half of our assists on the night, but all season long hasn't shown any ability to control a game when he's not out there next to Reke or Cousins, or preferably both.
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Chicxulub crater, Yucatan Penisula -- the dinosaur killer. While you can't see it clearly on that map, check out a topographic map of the Yucatan penisula sometime and it will open your eyes -- once you know what you are looking for its right there staring you in the eyes, althoguh it would have been much harder to spot before we had satellites. Harder to spot because from the ground its unimaginably huge, as in a 6-9 mile wide rock slammed into the Earth with an estimated force of 100 teratons of TNT blowing a 3500 foot deep 112 mile wide hole in the earth. What's a teraton? Well let's put it this way, remember the Tsar Bomba? 3000x as strong as Hiroshima? Well the rock that got the dinosaurs hit the earth with 2 million times the force of the Tsar Bomba. Which makes it 6 billion times the force of Hiroshima. Which is...a lot. As an aside, recent upgrades to the scenario suggest that its possible several other massive craters around the planet at the same time could have come from the same massive object breaking up in space and showering the earth, and that before the ultimate nuclear winter scenario initally posited, that such a blast may have literally set the entire earth and its atmosphere on fire.

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Bench

Stats: 23min 17pts (6-15, 1-1, 4-5) 7reb 2ast 0stl 0blk 5TO
Evans ( C ) -- initially I was annoyed when I heard Reke was going to come off the bench again. First at Smart for being an idiot. But that goes without saying. Later at Reke himself, who strays so far from the bad/selfish teammate nonsense that got thrown his way early in his career that I think it wraps entirely around to the point that maybe he IS being a bad teammate at some point again -- when you are clearly the best guy your team has available, sometimes being a good teammate is taking the ball, slapping away all the greedy little scrubby chucker hands that come grasping for it, and saying I got this. But after watching Reke out there, and seeing not only how rusty he was, but how much his conditioning seemed effected by the last few weeks with the knee, I'm not so sure now that starting him would have changed things much. Came in and gave us good effort defensively, but was all alone out there in scrubland. Began to get the offensive game going late in his stint, but also got very very very fatigued by the end of it and the fatigue led to him getting sloppy with turnovers. Came back still looking rusty after half. Was hustling and working hard on the boards, but out of rhythm on offense and jut far enough off that all of his little attempts at the rim were rolling off. Was clearly our most talented guy, but just wasn't able to get much accomplished from a practical standpoint. In a true Smart move, was suddenly brought back in with 3 minutes to go and us down 18. How helpful. But it turned out to be a blessing in disguise maybe, as he hit a long jumper, which he'll need in future games, and then piled up open court points and assists down the stretch with the game largely over. Looked good though, and maybe helped shake the rust off. Not a good game by Reke standards, but his special still jumped out at you.
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Kamil Crater, Egypt -- so just a couple of years ago they stumbled across this itsy bitsy (relatively speaking) but very well preserved crater in the middle of the Egyptian desert. Its only 150ft across, and most craters that small are quickly lost to erosion/time. But that's the thing. It happened pretty recently, within the last 5000 years, meaning it passed right over the heads of the ancient Egyptians and probably spawned some angry god legend along the way.

Stats: 25min 8pts (3-9, 0-0, 2-2) 8reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Robinson ( C+ ) -- you know, there was a lot of struggle to this one, and it was nowhere near as good as the raw numbers. But at least he produced. At least he did something no matter now sloppily. A rare comodity this game. got three early rebounds, but as many got away from him as the Bucks were winning the hustle battles. Missed a wide open dunk set up by Johnson for a big head slapping doh, then compounded the impression getting stripped trying to drive it. It was fugly, but got a flying offensive follow, and then wobbled his way to some points. When he returned after half had more problems finishing and missing defensive rebounds, and yet you looked up, and he was slowly piling up the umbers himself. Made a dumb foul on Ilyasova to close the 3rd, bailing him out wiht 2 seconds to go. Then forced up a dingy 1 on 1 jumper in the early 4th...but hey it went in. Just all kinds of random stuff liek that. Best moment may have come late, when he went up to try to stop Gooden up high and met him for the midair collission. It was a foul, but hey, at least he got off the ground and made the defensive effort.
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Prince Albert Crater, Victoria Island, Canada -- another recent discovery/realization (2010 -- satellites and even google maps have all helped identify likely locations). This ancient crater way up in the Canadian Artic is heavily eroded and difficult to spot even with topographic maps -- you can see the semi circular outline, but its heavily broken up and occluded after hundreds of millions of years of eroision and glaciation. But upon spotting the possible site, once they went up there on the ground they quickly found all the telltale signs, including the shattered and uplifted rock sediments like the ones in the picture above. Its too eroded for an exact date -- estimates range from 130mya to 350mya at this stage, but from the size of it we are talking a good sized rock (perhaps 3 miles wide), producing a 15-20 mile wide crater and wiping out all life for hundreds of miles in every direction.

Stats: 9min 0pts (0-1, 0-0, 0-0) 1reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Johnson ( C ) -- came in and immediately blocked at the rim, but next time down the floor set Brooks up nicely for the corner three , and soon therafter followed that by setting up TRob for a dunk...which the rook somehow missed. That was pretty much it, but there was nothing terribly wrong with what he did out ther ethis time, and he's probably still wondering how he slipped behind Travis bleeping Outlaw in the rotation.
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Vredefort Crater, South Africa -- before the recent discovery in Greenland which started this theme, the Vredefort Crater was generally considered the largest on Earth, measuing between 160 and 190 miles wide, and caused by a rock some 5 miles in diameter. Its also one of the oldest crater structures still visible on Earth, dated to about 2 billion years ago, and yet still clearly viisble if you know what you are looking for.

Stats: 14min 2pts (1-2, 0-0, 0-0) 1reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Hayes ( C- ) -- another game with not much reason to give Chuck any grade in any direction. Made a bad turnover on the pass with no hope, but took a charge on Jennings the other way. Still not effective on the glass, with 2 of his three on offense trying to score, and in these games with nobody in particular to guard inside, just kind of out there buying minutes. Gentleman's C- I suppose. No effect on the game however.
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Mahuika Crater, South of New Zealand -- this one is still controversial. You see, what happened is a geologist down under began putting together pieces of a puzzle decades ago, and noticing things that were hard to understand, like how ocean sediments and boulders were found hundreds of feet up cliff sides all the way from New Zealand to Australia, far higher than even the largest normal quake induced tsunamis could ever place them. Then there was the sudden retreat/abandonment by the ancient Maori people of all of their shoreline villages 500 years ago. And he came up with the controversial theory that maybe what happened to explian all this was that a truly monstrous tsunami swept through the region in the 1400s (possibly reaching over 500 feet tall in plaes -- think Deep Impact/Day After Tommorow stuff, and the only thing that could create a tsunami that big would be a meteor strike. A big one. Well, a few years ago they found a crater just about where it needed to be to support the megatsunami theory, south of New Zealand's southernmost island. 12-15 miles wide under 1000 feet of ocean, recent research would place it as having taken place in 1443 if the theory is correct. Meaning Earth would have been smashed by a big one in the last 600 years (not a planet killer, but a mess maker), while the Renaissance was going on in Europe. Not sure if that makes sense or not.
 
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Stats: 11min 6pts (2-5, 0-1, 2-2) 1reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 2TO
Thomas ( D+ ) -- only played during the second quarter as we continued our tradition of random substitutions. Worked most of his minutes in a variety of miniature high school backcourts paired with Brooks or Jimmer, which may have helepd excuse his over gunnerness again. Also had other consequences, such as the time he was literally shot over by Marquis Daniels, who turned, noticed (or maybe he didn't) some 5'9" looking at the lkint in his belly button, and so just shot a flatfooted standstill jumper directly over Isaiah's head. Of course it missed, so maybe it ws good defense. Make 'em laugh and all that. But in general it was another scruffy effort, forcing too much, looking for his own shot and gettign swallowed up in traffic causing turnovers. Did get a late layup basket hanging, and shot two technical FTs when the Bucks had a mini meltdown before half. But he's just no making an argument for himself. Nobody off that bench is.
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Wilkes Land Crater, Antartica -- this one too remains unproven, because they can't get down to it under all the ice. Well at least not until global warming gives them a hand. But in any case, its been known about for a long time, and in the last few years papers have come out debunking some competing explanations (a mantle plume etc.), pushing the site from "possible impact crater" to "probably impact crater". And thing is, if it truly is an impact crater, it would be the largest and most important in the history of life on Earth. We're talking a true life changing/wiping out monster crater more than 300 miles wide, possibly 3 or 4 times as wide as the one that took out the dinosaurs. And the reason it could be so significant is that the estimated time ranges (again they can't measure it exactly without getting to it) make it a possible candidate for the causal factor of the great Permian-Triassic extinction event, the greatest extinction event in the history of the planet, which has heretofore been unexplained (an argument against a giant meteor strike being the culprit there is that the Permian/Triassic barrier seems to lack a layer of ejecta (crap thrown up by a massive explosion that size that falls back to Earth), and anything that large and devastating most certainly would.

Stats: 15min 9pts (4-8, 0-2, 1-1) 2reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Fredette ( C ) -- came in with us desperately needing somebody to make some shots, but was off target. Just a half tic too late on the end of the quarter attempt to close the third. Finally began to get some points in the mid 4th, once on a scramble play around the offensive glass, once on a J using a good Hayes screen. But unfortunately he began to fall back into his college dribble aorudn in circles lookig for his own thing,a dn did not check off Ellis as he swooped in for a follow board and dunk. he an IT combiend for 26 minutes of action, and a total of zero assists on the night. I don't know how that helps.
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Borealis Basin, Mars -- be glad you're an earthling. By far the largest impact crater in the solar system may belong to the very plaent we are currently poking around on wiht our rovers. The Borealis Basin, also called the North Polar Basin by boring people, covers the top 40% of Mars. That's right, we are now beginngin to think that 40% of Mars is an impact crater. A GIANT impact crater some 6000miles wide by 8000miles long. Mars' entire southern hemisphere is several miles taller than its northern hemisphere. Models suggest this could have been caused by an absolutely enormous impact -- we're talking something the size of Pluto, glancing off the northern side of the planet, and blowing out a huge chunk of it. Before you get too smug, consider that we think our own moon may have been caused by something similar a really really long time ago. Like maybe even a as far back as a full 6000 years ago, or whenever those naked perverts got thrown out of the garden. Liek really long ago.
 
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Jennings/Ellis combined:
36 pts, 14 ast, 12 rebs

Cisco/Brooks combined:
13 pts, 7 ast, 6 rebs



Probably should have started Reke at least for defense. It's great Reke was a good teammate and backed Cisco's recent play, but a coach is paid to coach, not make friends, and it was Smart's responsibility to put the best lineup out there to help us win. Reke doesn't decide the starting lineup, Smart does. Smart failed.
 
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Terrible guard play tonight. About the only one I liked was Jimmer because he did more good than harm. Everybody else played mediocre to poor. I wondered if Tyreke was going to come out blazing or not in this game. It was not. Wouldn't have made a wit of difference if he started or not. Had only about 5 minutes of gas in the tank and he was done after that.

OKC could be incredibly ugly. Everybody is going to have to play an A+ game in order to not get killed.
 
key notes from tonights game

-Not sure why i even attempted to watch the game when i saw 2 people in the starting lineup who wouldnt even get minutes in the D-League

-Smart will blame his crappy lineups and subs on the absense of Cousins and Thornton, when in reality he made it 100000000x worse than it needed to be

-Another example of how Useless Geoff Petrie has become when it comes to filling the teams needs, this team is in MAJOR need of a backup Center.

-Garcia shoots too much, along with every other player on this team not named Tyreke/Marcus/DeMarcus

-How is Outlaw still in the league? and how is our coach brain dead enough to start him tonight instead of T-Rob?

-put Tyreke back at the starting PG. Brooks doesnt cut it as a starter.

-Thompsons post game still sucks
 
I have always enjoy watching Scott Skiles teams. Not the prettiest basketball, but man do they scrap. We are a soft team even with Cousins and Evans, tonight we were pathetic. Not only Smarts fault though considering Dalembert is doing his thing for the type of team that understand his value.

I'm with Brick, keep starting a lineups like that and I'm out. I've put up with a lot, but every man has a breaking point and a starting lineup that has no chance to win is just a waste of everyones time.
 
I'm with Brick, keep starting a lineups like that and I'm out.

count me in on that one. in fact if the Kings continue sucking by the end of December, and no changes are made with firing coach/Petrie or making some serious trades, im out too
 
the ONLY reason ill even spend my time watching the game Friday is because OKC is my favorite team outside of the Kings, and Durant is my favorite player in the NBA. i dont get to watch him much being stuck in crapramento, so ill enjoy the opportunity friday
 
So, I'm totally not a conspiracy theorist, but when a team puts forth a starting lineup like this, I can't help but wonder, "are they trying to lose?" Not to mention the god-awful rotations. We have some talent, but it doesn't fit together, and this coach doesn't know what the hell to do with it. We are a team that has playoff level talent, but d-league level intangibles, and that's just painful for everybody to watch (yet I still do).
 
This game just proves what I've been saying for a long time -- our 4-12 guys are not very good. At all. Granted, I understand how difficult it is to be competitive when 2 of your top 3 guys are not playing but it proves that we are not as "deep" as everybody likes to think we are.
 
So, I'm totally not a conspiracy theorist, but when a team puts forth a starting lineup like this, I can't help but wonder, "are they trying to lose?" Not to mention the god-awful rotations. We have some talent, but it doesn't fit together, and this coach doesn't know what the hell to do with it. We are a team that has playoff level talent, but d-league level intangibles, and that's just painful for everybody to watch (yet I still do).

No, we really are not.
 
So, I'm totally not a conspiracy theorist, but when a team puts forth a starting lineup like this, I can't help but wonder, "are they trying to lose?" Not to mention the god-awful rotations. We have some talent, but it doesn't fit together, and this coach doesn't know what the hell to do with it. We are a team that has playoff level talent, but d-league level intangibles, and that's just painful for everybody to watch (yet I still do).
No, we really are not.
I think that most people on this board think that you are not only wrong, but loud wrong. But, since Keith Smart couldn't get the Spurs into the playoffs, it's an impossible point to argue at this point in time.
 
I think that most people on this board think that you are not only wrong, but loud wrong. But, since Keith Smart couldn't get the Spurs into the playoffs, it's an impossible point to argue at this point in time.

I hope I am wrong. I really do!
 
ya cause the new how easy life was about to get for whoever he was gonna guard

Yaknow how annoying it is when a Jimmer fan goes all crazy and threadjacks any topic. There's a corollary effect when any mention of the kid's name results in a kneejerk negative response.

We get it. You don't like Jimmer.
 
I think that most people on this board think that you are not only wrong, but loud wrong. But, since Keith Smart couldn't get the Spurs into the playoffs, it's an impossible point to argue at this point in time.

I'm in the camp of "talent just not there," but with a caveat. The talent that is here is only a step or two under playoff contention, but is also held back by a lack of team-first mentality. That responsibility falls primarily on the coach, but also on the players who, for whatever reason, just cannot run offensive sets for each other. Thornton can be a 20 ppg guy, but can he do that on 13 shots? Can the roleplayers work to get Tyreke and Thornton free enough to take high quality shots? Can any of our point guards create for other teammates? Can Cousins rein in the beast and just focus on solid play?

The biggest thing the team needs is a no-nonsense coach who can stop the players from falling back into their comfort zones. Tyreke wants to iso and score, but he's most threatening when he runs plays for his teammates. Cousins wants to be an Arvydas Sabonis type three-point jacking big man, but he has the talent to be so much more. A coach who forced him to develop a better touch around the rim would turn him into a 10 year all-star instead of a marginal talent on a decent team. Thornton needs to learn to make the extra pass and trust his teammates to do the same. Fredette needs to get a DNP-CD for every 27 foot three pointer he launches with more than two seconds left on the shot clock. etc. etc.

Rein in the poor decision-making and work on developing the young talent and this roster can make the playoffs. Smart is the antithesis of what the team needs, and needs to be sent packing as soon as possible.
 
I'm in the camp of "talent just not there," but with a caveat. The talent that is here is only a step or two under playoff contention, but is also held back by a lack of team-first mentality.
Let me put it this way: there are only five teams in the western conference where you look at them and say, "Yup, there's no question: they're more talented than the Kings, across the board, and there's no argument, on any level." And one of those teams, if the season ended tonight, would not even be in the playoffs. Any coach worth a damn has this team in the 6-hole right now: and, technically, we'd be in fifth, because we'd have head-to-head over the Warriors. There have been at least eight losses this season that have been directly attributable to coaching. Not players not showing up, not ball-hogging, not suspensions or ejections. Coaching.

A good coach has this team at 15-7, or better.
 
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within the minutiae of every game there are countless things that can swing games, a couple of second chance opportunities, a case of the turnovers, missed free throws, a few bad shots, a bad foul, a dumb play and yes maybe a bit of bad coaching.

I'm not sure you could put at least eight loses on coaching alone although i do agree coaching has hurt us it's pie in the sky really. "If tyreke came back in we'd have won!!" Well maybe, but he might have gone 0-14 and turned it over 8 times as well.
 
I absolutely can, and I do. It's the rotations: it's bringing players in too late, whether that's after the other team has taken control of the game, or simply too late for the player to get into a rhythm. Example: Smart waits until the 3-minute mark of a 4-possession game to put Evans back into the game, Evans is erratic, and his shot is not falling, Kings lose, Kings Fans say it's not Smart, that Evans didn't help when he got in. Except that that's not true. Because the games have shown, when Evans comes back in at the 7-minute mark, instead of the 3-minute mark, by the 3-minute mark, he's back in rhythm, getting those layups to go in, instead of having then roll off the iron and out. When Cousins comes back in at the 7-minute mark, instead of the 3-minute mark, by the 3-minute mark, he's dribbling past his defender and getting layups, and not taking awkward 20-footers.

That's coaching. The fact that nobody, including Evans and Cousins, really know what their roles are, because 1) Smart allegedly doesn't believe in roles, and 2) Smart mistakenly believes that everyone on the team is as good as everyone else on the team, and that everybody should get a chance to play. That's also coaching. It's not rocket surgery:

  1. Assign roles.
  2. Make sure everyone knows their roles.
  3. Identify players with overlapping skill sets, and similar limitations, and STOP PLAYING THEM ALL AT THE SAME TIME!
  4. Set an 8-9 man rotation.
  5. STICK TO THE ****ING ROTATION!!!
  6. $$$$$
 
Let me put it this way: there are only five teams in the western conference where you look at them and say, "Yup, there's no question: they're more talented than the Kings, across the board, and there's no argument, on any level." And one of those teams, if the season ended tonight, would not even be in the playoffs. Any coach worth a damn has this team in the 6-hole right now: and, technically, we'd be in fifth, because we'd have head-to-head over the Warriors. There have been at least eight losses this season that have been directly attributable to coaching. Not players not showing up, not ball-hogging, not suspensions or ejections. Coaching.

A good coach has this team at 15-7, or better.

OKC, Memphis, Clippers, Lakers, Denver, Utah, San Antonio, all have more talent. Lakers, Denver, and Utah are dealing with roster problems and are underperforming relative to their potential. Golden State and Minnesota are the two western conference teams I think have less overall talent than the Kings, but are outplaying their rosters. Both benefit from good coaching and complementary roster pieces for their stars, whereas we have a poor coach and a poorly assembled roster.

If all of our players were at the top of their games consistently, we would be no better than the 2010-2011 NY Knicks because the best players don't make each other better.

Edit: To clarify, I think Tyreke and Cousins are not a great fit together. They can work together in a very strictly defined offense build around the two of them, but they are not naturally complementary pieces, which means that Geoff Petrie would have to go out and get the other three pieces to build that offense. He has failed. Thornton, in theory, should make both of them better and should free up space for both to operate, but 1) he doesn't play with them anymore, apparently, and 2) because he is first option on offense when he's in, he is less discriminating in jacking up shots whenever he touches the ball. Unselfish play is infectious, but so is selfish play.
 
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OKC, Memphis, Clippers, Lakers, Denver, Utah, San Antonio, all have more talent. Lakers, Denver, and Utah are dealing with roster problems and are underperforming relative to their potential. Golden State and Minnesota are the two western conference teams I think have less overall talent than the Kings, but are outplaying their rosters. Both benefit from good coaching and complementary roster pieces for their stars, whereas we have a poor coach and a poorly assembled roster.

If all of our players were at the top of their games consistently, we would be no better than the 2010-2011 NY Knicks because the best players don't make each other better.

The Nuggets and Jazz may have more talent, but it's not "Yup, there's no question: they're more talented than the Kings, across the board, and there's no argument, on any level" better.
 
The Nuggets and Jazz may have more talent, but it's not "Yup, there's no question: they're more talented than the Kings, across the board, and there's no argument, on any level" better.

More to your point, though, we both agree that Smart has been a dismal failure as a head coach, and has his team underperforming their potential.
 
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