[Grades] Grades v. Bucks 11/5/2016

Most thrilling development of the garbagetime? (which we PWned by 1pt!!!)

  • Willie wakes up a bit. A bit.

    Votes: 2 7.4%
  • Farmar debuts, looks competent as anybody else, adds shooting

    Votes: 2 7.4%
  • Discovery of the Temple of Doom offense as our new second weapon

    Votes: 2 7.4%
  • Skal shows Skil. When Skal wasn't showing Skinniness.

    Votes: 9 33.3%
  • Malachi hits a three. "Malachi" by the way means "my angel", so maybe we are saved.

    Votes: 4 14.8%
  • George "Greek Shaq" Papagiannis plays stout D, does not get scored on for first 1.2 seconds.

    Votes: 8 29.6%

  • Total voters
    27
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#1


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Link to Boxscore

Starters

Casspi ( D ) -- made absolutely no case for himself as a starter, struggled with the ball and turned it over repeatedly up top, unable to consistently finish over the Milwaulkee length inside. Best that can be said is his size offered more resistance than many of our other guys who looked stumpy compared to the Bucks

Cousins ( D ) -- doubled constantly from the start of this game as sans Gay the Bucks respected nobody else. Was never inspired, but as the beatdown commenced moved from uninspired to largely just going through the motions with occasional flashes of disgust at all the mistakes. About time for him to show up on the glass this year.

Koufos ( C- ) -- in some ways fared as well as anyone out there just by playing his game. Spacing was terrible though as the Bucks just blatantly doubled Cuz without the ball and dared anybody else to beat them, and of course nobody could.

Afflalo ( F ) -- sorry, no Rudy, here was your chance to step up and provide the same style of offense. Failed badly. And while the Bucks length was a constant factor inside, for Afflalo half his misses were wide open outisde jumpers.

Featured Grade
Lawson ( D ) -- Hard to write about him as literally didn’t see him in first half amoung all those tall, young Bucks. First pass went direct to a Buck. Next drive/shot was blocked by 2 or 3 Bucks. Missed all his shots and never had a clean look. Drove too much into tall timber and somehow managed 6 ast but helped a Kings half court game which was not what was wanted. Scored only 1 pt all night and not much else. Guy can't shoot. No highlights, no contributions, seemed outmatched. --Cruz
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Bench

Barnes ( F ) -- and Matt has got to get himself back focused here. After a couple of big games for us, this road trip he has sucked. Tonight our defensive specialist's refusal to recognize Teletovic standing out there stationary at the 3pt line play after play was a huge factor in turning a sluggish start for us into a rout as he rained in 5 threes in a quarter.

Cauley-Stein ( C ) -- got subbed in a bit earlier in the game and didn't do much bad at least, but in the garbagetime was a little better and finally showed a little offensive aggression, swooping to the hoop, albeit against deep benchers.

McLemore ( D+ ) -- made a few passes, but offensively punchless, too small to guard Beasley, and made zero impact for us. 4-18 from our two "SGs" on a night without Rudy = doom.

Temple ( B+ ) -- I really can't give out an A in this game to anyone, but Temple at least hit a few shots while the real game was on, and had a veritable mini-explosion in the early minutes of the garbagetime...or should I say "Templetime". Think there's a dance that goes with that. What say you? Starting SG? I say "why not?"

Farmar ( B- ) -- look, wasn't perfect, missed shots he had to make, and had several bad turnovers as the Bucks jumped all over us and disrupted up top. But that said, looked more effective running the point than Ty, not only not as twerpy, but actually being able to shoot and create space matters. Be interesting to see what happens here rosterwise after DC gets back.

Labissierre ( B ) -- far from dominant and got pushed around on a few plays, but there it was, you could again see the high skill level he flashed in Summer League. For those concerned about young talent, there it is. A little jumper, a little post play, some bball IQ and comfort with the ball. Decent little garbagetime debut.

Papagiannis ( D- ) -- I am kindhearted of course. So no straight lines grade for poor George doing his best Ben Gillery imitation here. Was in the game for 2 seconds before Henson immediately squared him up and blew right around for the bucket. Showed no timing on the glass, added a bad pass near midcourt, racked up fouls...but he did get one play we're going to call "The George". Slip screen, roll to the hoop, catch and dunk. So he's in the NBA recordbooks now with a hoop.

Richardson ( INC ) -- uneventful first NBA stint in the final garbage minutes, but did pop his NBA cherry with a three. Unfortunately that was all he took, and he only hit the 1.
 
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#2
Yep, Papagiannis.... great "first pick"there at 13..... this shiznit's on management - total failure. A few sites had George a 2nd round project - talent-wise which is about where he is on the bench.
 
#3
The bad part about a negative start to the season is this is where the line for trading Cousins possibly stands. So 10 years of rebuild can be 15.

I'm a Cousins fan, but to get the most value for him, you do it when he's not an expiring, which means this trade deadline. So a lot of people had the line in the sand that by this deadline the team was showing Cousins something where we could count on him to stay
 

SLAB

Hall of Famer
#4
Best play of the game was when PapaG tried to back down whoever from the three point line. It was an inspiring play, and one that I'm sure every team in the NBA will be utilizing before the end of the season.
 

kingsboi

Hall of Famer
#10
so much for the commitment to defense huh? Only one game where the opposition scores under 100, it's nothing but a free throw shooting contest for the other team. It seems almost every team they've played is more athletic and faster than them. Good ol' wily vets!
 
#11
I keep wondering what Vlade saw in Papa. I just don't get it.
Nobody gets it. It's Vlade's infatuation with Euro players because he was one himself.
The sad thing is that I didn't even think Papagiannis was the best international big.
Look at Ante Zizic's draft profile:
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/ante-zizic
In 10 games so far this season in Croatia, Zizic is averaging 21pts 8.9rebs 1.6blks on 67% FG and 80% FT(8 attempts a game).

I guess the real question would be why Vlade decided to bring him over this year. I really don't understand why we didn't let him develop overseas.
 

Entity

Hall of Famer
#12
Afflalo is this years bellinelli. He can't shoot and his defense has really been lack luster. I'm for temple starting at sg when collison gets back. Let Aaron get some DNP's
 
#14
Vlade might be getting canned as a GM; its likely after this last summer draft and free agency dealings. Its not all his fault though. The owner didn't want to completely untie his purse strings for Free Agency, and the salary-cap ceiling has gone insane in the NBA. Mike Conley is the 2nd highest paid NBA player. Low level talent are collecting paydays, and who could blame them. Kings overpaid for their Free Agents, but that's the new trend. Take a moment and think back, luckily, none of the signings are as bad as getting Kenny Thomas in the Webber trade after Webber went down. Thats the alternate problem when huge contracts go South for whatever reasons.
 
#15
We are several games away, but if this continues as Collison gets back, that becomes more plausible. Moving Cousins/Gay, in anticipation of their leaving in FA, and bottoming out for this stacked draft (Philly will be terrible too). I still think we can turn it around and support Cousins, but if this thing continues to spiral for 10-15 more games or so, it is what it is
 
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KingMilz

Guest
#17
so much for the commitment to defense huh? Only one game where the opposition scores under 100, it's nothing but a free throw shooting contest for the other team. It seems almost every team they've played is more athletic and faster than them. Good ol' wily vets!
That's only cause of ref bias according to kingsfans.com
 

gunks

Hall of Famer
#18
I keep wondering what Vlade saw in Papa. I just don't get it.
Even Vlade apologists/believers like myself can't defend that pick.

Papa is yet another awful pick in a long tradition of awful picks. It's really handicapped the **** outta this franchise. We aren't developing talent at all. That means no homegrown stars, no young trade assets....

Rather irksome.

Cuz is still a beast though. If we get us a decent PF and someone who can actually hit a 3, we can honestly surround him with roleplayers and go far.

And what's the difference between a scrub and a roleplayer? Familiarity with the system. Joerger himself said we're going to have growing pains this year. Too early to panic.

And at least Skal might be good in a few seasons!
 

kingsboi

Hall of Famer
#21
That's only cause of ref bias according to kingsfans.com
I'd love for someone to find me and the rest of the posters on here a statistic that shows the team that has committed the most fouls at this point in the season. If it's not the Kings, I would be flabbergasted.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#24
I watched Temple start against the Clippers, and was not impressed. Start McClemore, if someone else.
That was Temple starting at PG.

Temple as a starting SG at a position that is not going to get many shots when Collison/Gay/Cousins are all out there is a much different proposal.
 
#26
These next few games or so will shape the next five years of this franchise. Either they blow it up and try to recoup as much of the draft picks(or some young guys) as they can as we head into a few more lottery and asset building years, which I dont mind because we have been needing a proper rebuild instead of trying to build these psuedo contenders every off season.

OR we turn this around and can build a playoff team that convinces Rudy and Cuz to sign long term. I would love to see this group turn it around and be able to get into the playoffs and grow together but that seems like a longshot at this point plus the talent void is obvious. We are a team of maybe 2 nba level starters with only 1 solid nba starter. We need more talent here to even have a punchers chance. The only way we get real trancendent talent here is thru the draft and crafty trades. Not really sure if I trust Vlade n his crew with the potential rebuild as he has shown a tendancy to rush things/show little patience by trying to slap together these groups with no true foundation. I still love Vlade and thank him for the memories and am sure he wants to win more than anyone but Im not sure if his group should be trusted with all of the big big picks that will be coming our way in the upcoming drafts. Perhaps his urge to win and win now countinue to hinder us in the long run.

Im starting to resign myself to the fact that taking a few steps back for a few years will increase the likelihood of Sacramento taking a giant leap forward. This slap together a new team every offseason is definately not showing the potential to take that leap. Our Arena is built and the team is here to stay, now is as good a time as any to go for a full on rebuild if we have too.
 
#27
I think people are discounting just how badly that Malone firing killed the future of this team. Still paying for it. Rudy checked out long ago, and now is just playing for numbers. His owner bitches and moans about needing to fly from the Bay Area to Sacramento when his second best player wants to meet? You know, you rich jerk, some people do that commute every single day. In cars. Not airplanes.

Anyway, enough about the second worst owner in sports. Jed York says hi.

This team is a 19-25 win team. That's the talent level. 30-35 if cuz and Rudy don't miss many games and Joerger is a magician. There's really not a darker less inspiring situation anywhere else in the NBA. No young talent, no picks, just a bunch of 7 footers who won't be contributors until 2020 or so if they ever contribute, and two stars who both should be (Rudy is, Cuz Stockholm syndrome?) begging to get out of here ASAP. Philly and the Lakers are in quite enviable positions compared to us. Philly partially because of us.

And when the dust settles, and Rudy and Cuz are traded this season, we'll just have smug arrogant Vivek sitting there talking about how awesome he is while playing the victim (Pete, er, Vlade, made me do it!). And no Boogie to keep Golden 1 at least partially filled so it looks decent on TV. Already entire empty rows visible from my living room. Not a good look.

We can hope it gets bad enough Vivek cuts bait and sells? That's all I have at this point to hold onto.

Joerger is the bright spot. If he's around long enough. First step, fire Vlade asap (now or later?). Enough already. This franchise has to get beyond punch line status at some point. Trade everyone that has value (shockingly few reach that level) and build the whole thing from the ground up. Get some draft picks for Rudy. Cuz too. Time to start over properly. With a GM who knows what he's doing. Unfortunately to hire such a person you need an owner who knows what he's doing. We clearly are handicapped severely there.

Start the countdown to Cuz destroying a locker room now.
 
#29
I think people are discounting just how badly that Malone firing killed the future of this team. Still paying for it. Rudy checked out long ago, and now is just playing for numbers. His owner bitches and moans about needing to fly from the Bay Area to Sacramento when his second best player wants to meet? You know, you rich jerk, some people do that commute every single day. In cars. Not airplanes.

Anyway, enough about the second worst owner in sports. Jed York says hi.

This team is a 19-25 win team. That's the talent level. 30-35 if cuz and Rudy don't miss many games and Joerger is a magician. There's really not a darker less inspiring situation anywhere else in the NBA. No young talent, no picks, just a bunch of 7 footers who won't be contributors until 2020 or so if they ever contribute, and two stars who both should be (Rudy is, Cuz Stockholm syndrome?) begging to get out of here ASAP. Philly and the Lakers are in quite enviable positions compared to us. Philly partially because of us.

And when the dust settles, and Rudy and Cuz are traded this season, we'll just have smug arrogant Vivek sitting there talking about how awesome he is while playing the victim (Pete, er, Vlade, made me do it!). And no Boogie to keep Golden 1 at least partially filled so it looks decent on TV. Already entire empty rows visible from my living room. Not a good look.

We can hope it gets bad enough Vivek cuts bait and sells? That's all I have at this point to hold onto.

Joerger is the bright spot. If he's around long enough. First step, fire Vlade asap (now or later?). Enough already. This franchise has to get beyond punch line status at some point. Trade everyone that has value (shockingly few reach that level) and build the whole thing from the ground up. Get some draft picks for Rudy. Cuz too. Time to start over properly. With a GM who knows what he's doing. Unfortunately to hire such a person you need an owner who knows what he's doing. We clearly are handicapped severely there.

Start the countdown to Cuz destroying a locker room now.
Even if this group can muster up 38 wins, what good is it? Rudy is walking in the summer. Collison is a free agent heading for 30 years old. Are guys like Afflalo, Lawson, Tolliver, Barnes, Temple going to be here in three years, nope. Heck I bet 75 percent of those guys will be gone by next year.

That means Cousins will be 27 years old with a roster full of young, inexperienced players or another rolodex of 30 year old mediocre veterans.

This franchise whiffed on the opportunity to build around Cousins when they let Isaiah go and fired Malone. Cousins and Isaiah are the same age and Gay was bought in to Malone. Thats two big guys that punish inside(like we have seen early this year) and the fiery leader on the perimeter in IT that can break down a defense and also gets to the line a ton, we would be a free throw machine. Surround those guys with spot shooters and defenders, heck maybe Ben is a legit starting SG under Malone by now and you would have a team this season that could be a sure fire playoff team at the least.

I think the faster the franchise realizes its time to blow it up the better it will be for all parties. We can still get a good ransom of assets for Cousins and we cant let a talent like Rudy walk for nothing. Im fine losing with young players as long as we see them playing hard, learning every game from the coach. Its also easier to get behind a team of guys you know are going to be here for the long haul and not just your yearly haul of mercenaries.
 
#30
Gay is overrated now and injury-prone. His effort is inconsistent too. Some nights he looks like an all-start and other nights he disappears on both sides of the floor. Could care less if they keep him or anyone else. No team wanted his bloated contract, and will not get his player option matched with his suit-up ratio, no way. Management drafting has been so poor year-in and year-out its no wonder they keep bringing in new faces, but getting the same loser results. The new owner clearly does not want to pay ceiling prices for talent when injuries and fall-outs like Arenas or Webber occur, while the athletes want all-in security of max contracts. The NBA has allowed salaries to balloon too much. The end results for teams with poor organization and talent is ticket sales and revenue will get hit. Its an entertainment business with wins and losses as easy metrics, and its hard to pay to watch a loser. This season's draft problem started when last years team won 4 or 5 meaningless games when playoffs were already out of the picture that meant 2-3 draft positions. While that necessarily didn't ensure anything intrinsically, in general higher draft picks bring more latitude on draft day. And yet, when you have buffoons drafting poorly, draft positioning matters less. Kings organization stinks more poorly than their team; Ex-players may not be great executives. Pro sports are about as fickle as anything, and support as about as predictable as the wind. As long as you're winning everything is ok though.