Grades v. Bobcats 03/01

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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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Williamson ( C+ ) -- after that strong first game against his old team, Nasty's limitations have been on full display these last few and the sooner Peja can get back the better. Started off the game with a good aggressive post of Wallace, and you hoped that experience might trump the uber-athlete. But it was not to be so, and Wallace dominated the matchup for the next three quarters -- one of those told-you-so games that former players are apt to drop on their old teams. After really forcing and struggling for the first 30minutes of the game, finally started to get into an offensive rhythm after being moved to the PF spot late -- was able to take advantage of the inexperienced Emeka Okafor with quickness and was our best player down the stretch tonight. By the end, had gotten enough points, but rebounding was weak and made numerous turnovers with forced drives into traffic.
Thomas ( B ) -- started off the game scorching inside and out, although I had to admit to a bit of amusement that a large chunk of it was the dreaded 18ft jumper that everybody complained about our last PF taking. Also had 6 quick boards. But then just went dead silent for a long time. Not sure what happened. Maybe ran out of energy (the non-crowd was zapping it tonight). Finally woke back up in the final 6 minutes of the game and made a few more plays for us, but it was too little too late. Tried a few posts against the inexperienced Bobcats big men, with mixed results.
Skinner ( A+ ) -- Grade A Skinner tonight. Played easily the best game of all the Kings, and was strong and aggressive on both ends of the floor. Unlike Thomas, was able to sustain that energy game long. On yet another game where we got pummeled in the paint, Skinner was kind of a one man gang in there trying to defend the rim. Did have a hard time effecting the shot of the much larger Primoz Brezec, but came up big against everybody else. Good sign for the future, but a Brian Skinner "A+" game is not the sort of thing to carry you when everybody else sucks this bad.
Mobley ( C ) -- Combined efficient offense and a little help on the glass with a big ole assist to Bibby's turnoverfest (6 of his own). Went totally silent in the 4th quarter when just anybody getting hot might have put us over the top. Gave us offensive numbers, but other than a brief burst in the second quarter, never felt like they really mattered, and enever able to make anybody else better for them.
Bibby ( F ) -- Mike came crashing back to earth with a THUD you could hear all the way back in Sacramento. I know he had to be looking out on the floor and wondering who hell were these guys, and what have they done with my team? I know I was. but that's still no excuse for it being THIS bad. All sorts of turnovers, everything from miscommunications, to getting his pocket picked and having it knocked off his leg. Had nothing on his shot either. Looked pretty dispirited out there. Kept on waiting for him to come to life and us to ride a little Mike rush to an ugly win, but just never happened.
House ( D ) -- after a string of hot shooting nights, House came out here tonight and did absolutely nothing. Hit no shots until a meaningless three at the closing buzzer. Was a total non-factor out there and was wearing Jason Hart like a shirt on offense. Best that can be said for eddie is at least he wasn't throwing the ball all over the floor like the rest of the Kings.
Ostertag ( C ) -- Tag was not awful in his short first half stint, but neither was he terribly effective. With Skinner playing a tremendous game, it was ano brainer to leave him out of the second half lineup.
Evans ( D+ ) -- grabbed some boards for us, but otherwise just really a forgettable evening for him. everything was in and ouot, and got posterized on a flying offensive rebound and dunk by Gerald.
Martin ( C- ) -- one of those 6 minute stints for Kevin where you womder if he was even out there. Only notable play he was involved in was a turnover on a miscommunication with Mike. Played pretty good defense.

Charlotte crowd ( INC ) -- impossible to grade them because I am not sure they were even there. Might have been the single smallest crowd I've seen in the NBA in a non-blizzard game. Just ridiculous.

Adelman ( C+ ) -- well you could almost see this one coming but...:eek: Assist/Turnover ratio tongiht of 12/23 made me want to cry -- the great offensive machine finally was stretched too thin and broke under the weight of incredible roster turnover and the absence tonight of all but one of the passers who made it what it once was. With such a mess its hard to blame Rick too much for this result - the Bobcats actually were the more experienced and cohesive team out there, having at least played together for a full year. And given how poorly the bench played, not exactly sure where Rick had to turn. But even so, just felt very little from the sidelines tonight. We did swing into a zone here and there, but of course a zone is hard to run as well with so many new faces. Getting a theme here? But otherwise, nobody either on or off the court really seemed to have any idea how to take this patchowork crew of guys who've been here 1 month, 4 months, a couple fo days, and turn it into an actual team. Anyway, if we just hit a few of our in and out shots tonight we still have a chance to steal this one, but we certainly did not earn it, and it just was not to be. Sort of loss that come back to bite you down the stretch when you are fighting for playoff positioning though.
 
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Pedja- F If you say you'll be ready by tommorrow, why not play a day early (even a few minutes) when you know you will be without two starters in your frontcourt. What a wimp!
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
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First, about the crowd: The "offiical tally" was 11,000+. Grant said, and I have to agree, they must have been counting by twos...or threes.

Team grade: INC

That wasn't the Kings starting line-up. It most likely will NEVER again be the Kings starting lineup, at least not if there is any cosmic justice in the universe.

Tomorrow is another day...and then only ONE more game before we head home for a nice home stand broken in the middle by short trips to the Warriors and the Clippers.

:D
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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Heuge said:
Pedja- F If you say you'll be ready by tommorrow, why not play a day early (even a few minutes) when you know you will be without two starters in your frontcourt. What a wimp!
Hammies are tough. I openly question Peja's toughness, but that is one of the all-time "don't press it or you could make it a lot worse" injuries. So its tough to tell on this one. We certainly needed him though.
 
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not to sound like one of those fans that's always pleading for a roster shakeup, but how about moving Brad Miller to PF (where he excelled during the first half of the last season) and putting Skinner at Center?
 

SacTownKid

Hall of Famer
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Not bad when your bench guys can step in and give you those kind of numbers. When this team gets it together and these guys start learning the system, WATCH OUT!!!
 

SacTownKid

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PixelPusher said:
not to sound like one of those fans that's always pleading for a roster shakeup, but how about moving Brad Miller to PF (where he excelled during the first half of the last season) and putting Skinner at Center?
I like that idea, but I think I would like Kenny to get the shot at PF. I like his mobility. That is something I haven't seen out of that position on this team in years.
 
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Good grading, Brick.

When the game's so ugly, my only reelif is to scream at the the TV set. My favorite is screaming "Skiiiiinnnerr!" at the Pharaoh in Chalmers' voice. Since he didn't make any mistakes or stupid plays tonight I was deprived of even that simple pleasure. Shame on you Skiiiiiinnerrr!
 
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PixelPusher said:
not to sound like one of those fans that's always pleading for a roster shakeup, but how about moving Brad Miller to PF (where he excelled during the first half of the last season) and putting Skinner at Center?
Maybe not as a starter, but I can see Skinner getting considerable minutes alongside Brad in the FC - when we need size. Thomas or Darius will still probably get a nod to start but rotation will be adjusted as needed.
 
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The only positive from this game is the guy that had an "A+". :) AND, we also outrebounded the Bobcats by 8!

But boy, did the turnover killed us. Most of them were unforced too! I was hoping it'll stop but it never did.

12 assists...not Kings-like. I thought too many one on ones and the ball movement wasn't really there. Bobcats did a good job with their ball movement (but they have been together longer than our group of guys ;) so not really fair).

Magics' been struggling lately...but the Kings need any win they can get. GOO KINGS!!! Let's win one tomorrow!
 
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funny thing is, this was supposed to be the "easiest" game on the road trip. but then the injuries just piled and we lost this one. well, ok, maybe that wasn't funny. anyway, it's not that upsetting cause we really were depleted. very sloppy plays, we couldn't get in a rhythm, bobcats kept on hitting their shots, overall just a bad night for them i guess.

they will bounce back. 1st game against doug tomorrow. should be a good one :)
 
#12
Good grades, seeing skinner out there and gettin impresive numbers (although it was against the worst/second worst team in the NBA) was impressive, nice pick up by the kings if he can sustain those numbers when eh fills in for d-song or miller when they are out. As for bibby, we all have our bad nights, some worse than other, he'll live another day though. Pedja we need you! get off that bench suit up and help us out!
 
#13
Twix said:
The only positive from this game is the guy that had an "A+". :) AND, we also outrebounded the Bobcats by 8!
Imagine, the Kings winning the battle of the boards by 8 and losing by double digits. Never saw that one coming.
 
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Bricklayer said:
Hammies are tough. I openly question Peja's toughness, but that is one of the all-time "don't press it or you could make it a lot worse" injuries. So its tough to tell on this one. We certainly needed him though.
ANd that is what I respect and appreciate in all your posts. You can be harsh on people, but you always back it up with valid explanations. I don't agree with you all the time, but I respect everything you have to say.

Keep up the good work Brick.
 
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PixelPusher said:
Imagine, the Kings winning the battle of the boards by 8 and losing by double digits. Never saw that one coming.
Actually, lost by 7...but who's counting. ;) Turnovers killed us and Bobcats actually played some good D for that so credit to them.
 
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Brian Skinner was easily the shining star for us out there tonight....

the turnovers were absolutely stomach turning...i mean you could tell which one of the turnovers were because of not knowing each other and which ones were just "stupid absolutely ridiculous no reason for them" turnovers...there wasn't ONE solid quarter where we let up on them...that has everyone knows is why we didn't win...we didn't even give ourselves a chance to put points on the board a lot of the trips down the floor

I too kept waiting for Mike to start to get it going...i kept waiting and waiting and waiting...until pretty much he was taken off the floor at the VERY end of the game

this kinda brings me back to what i said earlier...on a night where we had both Darius and Brad out we needed that 3rd person who knew what he was doing to be out there in the starting line up to go along with Mike and Cat...cuz if not it had to be a Mike and Cat show...if just one of them was off we lose...and thats pretty much what happened

but give all the credit to the Bobcats they definetly deserved to win...and everytime we turned the ball over...and there were plenty of times...they capitalized...congrats to them on their 12th win of the season

fair grades as always Brick

thank god we play tomorrow so we get a chance to redeem ourselves...i have a feeling it might be the Francis vs Mobley show tomorrow night...im expecting a big game from Cat

2 more games, 3 more days boys

GO KINGS!!
 
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iheartBrad said:
i have a feeling it might be the Francis vs Mobley show tomorrow night...im expecting a big game from Cat

2 more games, 3 more days boys
Me too...expecting a big game for Cat. I bet he's happy to see his buddy, Stevie again. :D Imagine those trash talking they'll be having on court? LOL.

I just realized, tomorrow's game the 4th game in 5 nights?? LAST TIME FOR THIS TOO!! :D I'm happy for that cause I'm tired of these 4 games in 5 nights. We NEED Pedja tomorrow...and hopefully either Brad or Darius will be back.

GO KINGS!
 
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Heuge said:
Pedja- F If you say you'll be ready by tommorrow, why not play a day early (even a few minutes) when you know you will be without two starters in your frontcourt. What a wimp!
This has to stop. You know I do not mind hearing people getting on him for something he did. But this must be an all time low. This and Bobby Jackson critizism last year is pure classless. How can you blame a player for trying to be 100% healthy especially when you dealing with hamstring injuries. Pure classless. :mad:
 
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AleksandarN said:
This has to stop. You know I do not mind hearing people getting on him for something he did. But this must be an all time low. This and Bobby Jackson critizism last year is pure classless. How can you blame a player for trying to be 100% healthy especially when you dealing with hamstring injuries. Pure classless. :mad:
I like Pedja. I am glad he is a King. But in this intence, if he is good enough to go tommorrow, I think he should have gone today considering our injuries.
 
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Heuge said:
Pedja- F If you say you'll be ready by tommorrow, why not play a day early (even a few minutes) when you know you will be without two starters in your frontcourt. What a wimp!
Please, consider this:
1. Maybe he's been held back? The last thing that we need is less then 100% Pedja when up to the injury he did not exactly set the league on fire with his play this year. Now, with Webber gone he is our best shot (no pun intended) at whatever it is that we're trying to do - he will either put out huge numbers or he will be the main catalyst for the offseason trades (perhaps, packaged with some bad contracts from Phily trade) and get us to the next step. We don't need Pedja to reinjure himself or hurt his trade value. If Webber was traded to mitigate the risks (of loosing tens of millions to injuries or further deterioration of his knee) why on Earth would we risk further injury to Pedja (or Brad or Song for that matter) against the Bobcats? BTW, I know the answer - because even the Bobcats can whoops us with only Bibby and Cat out there... ;)

2. Youre talking about a dude who tried to play on a double break until he realised that he has an extra joint in his leg.

Other then that, I have no real issues with elevating expectations of Pedja to the levels previously reserved for Webber only - and with consequent criticism when expectations are not met 100%.
 
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Heuge said:
I like Pedja. I am glad he is a King. But in this intence, if he is good enough to go tommorrow, I think he should have gone today considering our injuries.
Pedja wouldn't have been able to curb the 20+ turnovers we had today. If he is going to sit out an extra game for his hammy to be on the safe side, it would make sense to pick the Bobcats as that game. Pedja isn't the reason the Kings lost this game.
 
#24
Heuge said:
I like Pedja. I am glad he is a King. But in this intence, if he is good enough to go tommorrow, I think he should have gone today considering our injuries.
thats exactly what i said earlier...but hey ::shrugs:: ive never had a injury in my life nor am inside of his mind/body whatever...im gonna trust him if he's not ready to go he's not ready to go

but Peja PLEASE for the love of god come back to us...we need you..we love you...pleeeeeease!!
 
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PixelPusher said:
Pedja wouldn't have been able to curb the 20+ turnovers we had today. If he is going to sit out an extra game for his hammy to be on the safe side, it would make sense to pick the Bobcats as that game. Pedja isn't the reason the Kings lost this game.
Normally it would have made sense to sit out the Bobcats game, but tonight we were very short handed, obviously. With Pedja in the lineup I think the turnovers would have gone down due to his familiarity with the offence.
 
#26
Heuge said:
I like Pedja. I am glad he is a King. But in this intence, if he is good enough to go tommorrow, I think he should have gone today considering our injuries.
So you would risk him injuring his hammy more? Also he is not 100% playing tommorrow he is listed day to day. Like the Sacbee said he did feel pain after his practice. That is why did not play today. He will find out tommorrow he feels anything or if the pain lingers.
 
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AleksandarN said:
So you would risk him injuring his hammy more? Also he is not 100% playing tommorrow he is listed day to day. Like the Sacbee said he did feel pain after his practice. That is why did not play today. He will find out tommorrow he feels anything or if the pain lingers.
i think you need to calm down a bit...breathe...i can just imagine you all red...heat just radiating off of you :eek:

its just one person't opinion let it roll off your shoulder :)

Be Cool :cool:
 
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AleksandarN said:
So you would risk him injuring his hammy more? Also he is not 100% playing tommorrow he is listed day to day. Like the Sacbee said he did feel pain after his practice. That is why did not play today. He will find out tommorrow he feels anything or if the pain lingers.
He has received clearance to play. This is a very important section of the season. His team abslolutely needed him out there. As a coach, I would hope he plays, even just a little. But hey, I am no coach and I am not Pedja.
 
#30
i think tonight, the bobcats focused on mike a lot. they were determined to make the other players beat them. mike has been playing really well lately so maybe he was the major concern for the bobcats. mike wasn't hitting his shots + was rarely open + sometimes forced the issue. then he had 8 TOs because he doesn't know what the other guy's gonna do so the passes are turned over mostly because of miscommunication.

now, if peja was there, that would've taken a little bit of pressure off of mike. the bobcats wouldn't dare leave peja wide open so they can't concentrate on mike alone.

just my opinion on it.

i hope peja gets well SOON. like tomorrow? cause peja, we need you. brad, too. and darius. hope they'll be ready to play soon.
 
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