[Grades] Grades v. Bobcats 01/19/13

[chief bromden]

Say what you will. I have no beef with IT, and I'm trying to be as objective as possible. But I certainly don't understand how I'm not allowed to be critical of IT's defense when he got peeled off of his man by a simple screen basically every single possession.

In fact, because I felt you were likely to complain about my analysis of IT's defense again (after you did so for the Grizz game as well) I kept my notes instead of deleting them. Here are my notes on IT's defense for the night:
Walker beats IT on a screen, misses in lane.
Switched onto MKG via screen, fouled MKG on drive
Never picked up Walker on oreb, leaving him for wide 3, missed.
Walker to hoop on screen for 2.
Screened again, led to pass for dunk.
ANOTHER screen.
Sessions full length of floor for layup. (This wasn't a break, IT just never stopped the ball)
Broke up pass for steal.
Terrible D on screen allowed Sessions to get to get an easy bucket
Fouled Walker for and-1.
Screened off Walker again.
Allowed easy 3 for Walker, missed.
Got back on D on break, resulted in walk.
Walker got by him again, passed out for nada.
Walker beats him for 2.
Did not box out Walker, allowed oreb.
Walker no problem on break. (IT was back for D on this break and didn't effectively contest)
Forced Gordon into a tough turnaround, missed.
Walker had 2.9 and almost got one to go. (This is at the end of the third when Walker got way too good of a shot)
Fouls Sessions
Forced Henderson to miss in post.
Walker gets around him again.
Contested Walker's air 3 to tie with 2.9 left

Now that's not everything, because I didn't want to pause the game every time he got screened off to write this stuff down, but I felt compelled to write it pretty often. When I look at that list I see 5 good defensive plays (6 if you count the foul against MKG which did not result in free throws). And I see 18 times that I wrote down that he didn't do a good job on D. If you get that many screens set on you, you HAVE to find a way to not get beat on them. Otherwise you've got a PG with the ball open and allowed to do anything he wants.

So there's your "farce" of a defensive analysis from someone who "didn't watch the game". Oh, I was wrong on one point, though - IT effectively contested 3 of the 17 shots taken against him, not 2. I forgot to count the miss that he forced on Henderson in the post (where, remarkably, he seems to be a better defender than up top).

Hey Capt., thanks for posting your notes. I never note these specific acts, but they don't go unnoticed. IT had a good game, but not a great game. I think your notes do a good job of outlining exactly why, so thanks for being detailed enough to make a post like this.

 

[LWP777]

Untill Keith Smart is gone, were going to continue to barely squeek by bad teams, and get blown out by good teams.

I'm not a Keith Smart guy and want him gone just as much as you do but if he was gone and we had a competent coach I think you'd be very surprised that we wouldn't win a whole lot more games. This team simply doesn't have the talent and isn't built well at all.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

But immediately upon reading your IT grade, I could tell you've got some major bias.

If you are going to be pointing out IT getting caught on screens, than you'd BETTER have been pointing out the absolute $hit-ton of times Tyreke has gotten stuck like glue on screens his entire career.

What's that? You haven't harped on that for 4 years?

Than don't focus on it with IT, or else your bias is obvious.

Actually, I'm pretty sure I have pointed out Tyreke's problems in getting through screens (which aren't so bad now as they used to be), but I can't seem to get the search function to find any instances. I've certainly noted it to myself. But as others have said, Tyreke was not my responsibility in the grades thread. I guarantee that if and when I'm responsible for grading Tyreke, if he has problems getting lost on screens you'll read about it.

 

[Glenn]

Actually, I'm pretty sure I have pointed out Tyreke's problems in getting through screens (which aren't so bad now as they used to be), but I can't seem to get the search function to find any instances. I've certainly noted it to myself. But as others have said, Tyreke was not my responsibility in the grades thread. I guarantee that if and when I'm responsible for grading Tyreke, if he has problems getting lost on screens you'll read about it.

It's always nice to know that someone will keep you, brick, and baja in line, isn't it?

 

[Capt. Factorial]

It's always nice to know that someone will keep you, brick, and baja in line, isn't it?

Yep, wouldn't want us to get too big for our britches! But in all seriousness, I've learned an important lesson, and next game I'll be biased against Jimmer Fredette instead. His fans won't give me a hard time about it, I don't imagine.

 

[Warhawk]

Yep, wouldn't want us to get too big for our britches! But in all seriousness, I've learned an important lesson, and next game I'll be biased against Chuck Hayes instead. His fans won't give me a hard time about it, I don't imagine.

Fixed it for you.

 

[UK_King]

Why do people get so bent out of shape about these "gradings."

It's just some peoples opinions, don't like them, don't read them!

It's like "power rankings" never understood them, and don't know why people get so annoyed about them.

 

[Kingster]

Brick, regarding Tyreke. With 1 minute to go Tyreke posts up for the only time of the game and gets the ball and converts for two. He then proceeds to trot, lolligag, daydream, or who knows what up the floor and his man beats him for two. This Tyreke zoning-out must go. For a 3.5 yr veteran that is inexcusable. These are the type of plays that lose you games. Heck, the first play of the Grizzlies game he totally zones out and all of sudden he sees T Allen (his man) go in for a layup. That's the first play! Tyreke has got to get his head in the game. For a veteran, he far too many of these plays and they should be incorporated into any grading.

 

[Bricklayer]

Brick, regarding Tyreke. With 1 minute to go Tyreke posts up for the only time of the game and gets the ball and converts for two. He then proceeds to trot, lolligag, daydream, or who knows what up the floor and his man beats him for two. This Tyreke zoning-out must go. For a 3.5 yr veteran that is inexcusable. These are the type of plays that lose you games. Heck, the first play of the Grizzlies game he totally zones out and all of sudden he sees T Allen (his man) go in for a layup. That's the first play! Tyreke has got to get his head in the game. For a veteran, he far too many of these plays and they should be incorporated into any grading.

1) who says it wasn't? Did I miss soemthig and accidentally give him a straight A?

2) when you post up and score at the rim and your guy releases the other way on the break, its somebody else's respnsibility to pick him up until you can get back and recover.

3) you continue to hold Tyreke to ridiculous standards that feel contrived. I would guarantee you that has happened thousands of times in the NBA this season with everybody from scrubs to HOFers. We generally refer to them as bad plays and move on, expecially in the face of general excellence.