Grades v. Blazers 02/05

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Bricklayer

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Kings v. Blazers 02/05

Peja ( D ) -- the good news -- was moving really well. Hopefully the back does not tighten up after the game. The bad? Rusty as all hell. Patterson took it to him at both ends of the court once again. Not sure whether we can add Ruben to the Peja-stoppers list because of lingering questions about the back, but he's certainly tortured Peja this season. Was stripped repeatedly down low, and once even out at the three point line in the play that finished us in the final minute. Hit a couple of open threes, including one in the final minute as we tried to steal another game, but otherwise was a real struggle on offense. No boardwork at all, but did make a few nice passes. First game back, and he had a few worse ones last month, so go a little easy.
Webber ( B+ ) -- Wanders back on in from the injury wilderness and merely tosses in a triple double. Easily the best of our three injury returnees tonight, but despite the huge numbers still had some obvious rust himself. Started off very slow in chuck-a-lazy jumper mode, but after sitting at the end of the quarter came back a new player in the 2nd. Started very aggressively working the post, and beat everyone the Blazers threw at him down there. Second half tried to continue attacking the middle, but the Blazers shotblockers were huge tonight and met him in there 3 or 4 times. In what is at this point a ho-hum unsurprising development started hitting big shots in the stretch run, including another three -- Webb is shooting 45% from three this year. Fouled out in the final minute, but the final few fouls were good ones taken for the team. Big on the boards tonight, which was important with Brad a non-factor (and get this grabbed SEVEN offensive boards to lead what has to be some sort of Kings record of 21 off boards to only 18 def boards), and of course was at the heart of our revitalized passing attack.
Miller ( B ) -- solid game from Brad but nothing more. in the first quarter was the only one of our starters who could hit the broad side of a barn, and looked like maybe he would have to carry our regulars the way he has carried the scrubbies. But calmed down thereafter, and despite some nice moments here and there was never a huge factor. Even amazingly seemed to just quit shooting there at some point, something that just yesterday I had said I hoped we'd never see again.
Mobley ( D- ) -- UGLY. Looked like Cat maybe shouldn't have tried to come back, because he really didn't have anything tonight. Shot was way way off, and got burned on defense as well. Just not really ready to compete yet. Hit a three in the last 12 seconds, but way too little too late as he was actually scoreless before then. Not going to go to an F here because at least Cat knew he didn't have it and quit shooting + instead made some nifty passes to set others up.
Bibby ( A- ) -- scored a ton of points again, and again had trouble on the other end of the floor. Tonight he goes for 35 and ends up with only a +5. And so again the "-" to the "A". Was not always guarding Stoudamire, but to the degree we tried a variety of other people to cover him it was because Mike was getting torched. With Peja and Mobley still working their way back, was our only dependable shooter out there, but still forced some bad shots. First half was actually a struggle for him until he hit a three just before the halftime buzzer. Then it was off to the races in the second half with Mike carrying an otherwise impotent group of All-Star and near All-Stars. Made a bad defensive play (or non-play) and made a poor turnover late, but then turned around and tried to bail us out again with big clutch shots. Not enough though.
Songaila ( C- ) -- struggled again. Must have felt just like his starting stints to come off the bench and immediately be faced by a 20-10 player in Zach Randolph who was playing 6th man for the Blazers tonight. Played physical defense on Zach, but Randolph was just too good and beat him repeatedly for a big night. Looked like he had no confidence in the jumper, maybe due to the struggles last night.
Evans ( B- ) -- might have looked his best since coming back, but victimized by the minutes game and the tiny Portland backcourt tonight. Reminiscient of the Josh Smth experience in Atlanta, was once again met and blocked up in the sky by an equally dynamic but bigger athlete in Darius Miles.
House ( B- ) -- hit some shots for us in his stints, and came up with the ball a few times on defense. But was victimized by the Van Exel PG post game on the other side of the floor and that chased him from the game in the 4th.
Barnes ( C ) -- Bit of a struggle for Matt tonight but at least tried to step forward again in the 4th, and Rick showed real confidence in him after last night's heroics by again playing him right down the stretch of the game (initially to get a bigger defender on the pesky Portland guards). But some of Bad Matt crept back into the Finest's game tonight, and he was to be very careful right now -- Matt, for the love of whatever you hold holy please be careful with the damn ball, and please PLEASE take your time and hit those layups. The two problems that caused him to lose his playing time in the first place reemerged tonight, and he's got to clean that up if he doesn't want the coach's confidence to wane again. Bad free throw shooting came back to bite him and us tonight as well -- basically he hustled but got all of the details wrong.

Adelman ( B- ) -- a predictable result but an immesely frustrating one. Too many guys injured for too long come back all at once, and only one of them gave us even his "C" game. Rick actually limited Mobley/Peja's minutes somewhat, which was a good move, but was never able to find an adequate replacement off the bench to cover for them. Biggest substitution questions would have been 1) maybe more Mo? Was not having a great game and got out-athleted by Darius Miles a few times, but did look to have his legs under him which would have helped; and 2) as always in games where we are getting lit up what about Tag? Not as if Darius looked so good in his stints that it was inconcievable to try someone else. Anyway, after a sluggish start actually got a pretty good effort from the team, including a huge (for us) effort on the offensive glass that kept us in the game despite being out shot 55% to 40% :eek: , but the defense was totally out of synch once again. Championship teams do not lose many games 114-108. Nor let bad teams shoot 60+% and 55% on back to back nights. Entirely different lineup for us, but results very reminscient of last night's scrubbie game vs. the Knicks. 4th game in 5 nights, but that really wasn't the problem tonight as we had three starters who haven't been playing at all. Real issue was just the major disruption of trying to get everybody back on the same page. Rick handled it fine, but nothing special either.
 
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fair enough

and to Portlands credit...they are a good shot blocking team every night....i think whenever we face them we forget about that lil fact

but they didn't give up...and like in true Portland/Sacramento fashion made it a close game in the final minutes

if its at all possible to say this...it was a good loss :eek: ...all of us didn't want to actually jump out a window after this game...which in my book is always a good thing
 
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Sactownfinest was not a C.
You've always rated on expectations, and his are lower. He was our fourth best player out there tonight. Hustle was key! B
 
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KP

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HndsmCelt said:
I'd have given Webb the A- Dude gets a triple double ya gotta start cutting him some slack.
Yeah, considering the rust(bad start )and how he was really the only one to shake it off + the 4 steals you gotta at least give him the -. Not to mention he is slowly creeping up to 50% from 3's!
 
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Good grades, Bibby deserves a medal for getting thru these last four games with all the minutes he's played. He never seems to tire!

Can somebody tell me what this means? "Tonight he goes for 35 and ends up with only a +5".

I share concern over Barnes' play and growing confidence from Adelman. Barnes can be a huge help come playoff time. To his credit, it doesn't seem to bother his own personal confidence to make mistakes, like so many other 1st or second year players.

Webber's soft triple dub only goes to show his quiet capability, WTG WEB!!!

The guy on the sax: "A" :D
 

VF21

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Team grade: B-

They didn't win but the heart they showed is gonna pay dividends for a long time.
 
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albeitrue said:
Can somebody tell me what this means? "Tonight he goes for 35 and ends up with only a +5".
:D
Damon went for 30, even though Mike wasn't guarding him the whole time, I guess it adds up to he was only +5 over his counterpart.
 

Bricklayer

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albeitrue said:
Can somebody tell me what this means? "Tonight he goes for 35 and ends up with only a +5".
Stoudamire had 30. So only +5 over his opponent. Last night Mike had 40, but Starbury had 37, so only a +3. Normally I don't too much stock inthat, but when guys are scoring twice their season averages on you it does take the luster off your own huge offensive game.
 
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Bricklayer said:
Stoudamire had 30. So only +5 over his opponent. Last night Mike had 40, but Starbury had 37, so only a +3. Normally I don't too much stock inthat, but when guys are scoring twice their season averages on you it does take the luster off your own huge offensive game.
Mike guarded Starbury even less than Stoudamire... but hey, I guess it's all about production.
 
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KP said:
Yeah, considering the rust(bad start )and how he was really the only one to shake it off + the 4 steals you gotta at least give him the -. Not to mention he is slowly creeping up to 50% from 3's!
Def. better than B+. I would agree A-.
 
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Bricklayer said:
Stoudamire had 30. So only +5 over his opponent. Last night Mike had 40, but Starbury had 37, so only a +3. Normally I don't too much stock inthat, but when guys are scoring twice their season averages on you it does take the luster off your own huge offensive game.
Thanks, (Thanks KP too), never considered that stat before.

I suspect many PG's score better than their average against Mike. :eek: If he could just play better D he would probably become a legend at his position.
 

VF21

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4cwebb said:
I'd probably consider dropping CWebb's grade to a B, if only because he had to take 21 shots to get 20 points.
And, once again, I have to remind you that the stat lines do not tell the full story. You cannot possibly get an accurate feel for Webber's production in this game, especially after a very rusty first quarter, unless you actually watched the game.
 
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Honestly there was a point in the second half I would've put Bradley in. For some reason he just seems to play "bigger" than Songaila even though I think they're the same size. Miller was refusing to shoot, we had no real big man presence when Webb went to the bench, I think Michael's earned a chance for some minutes when our other guys aren't being productive.

If the guys on the floor are getting it done, I have no problem with Coach tightening the rotation, but when Darius is getting abused by Randolph I'd like to see some kind of adjustment. My 2 centavos.
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piksi

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I assume that these grades are only for offensive performance. Baskettball is a 2 way game. Certain Kings player only play one way.
 
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Not having seen the game ....

It looks like the King's got off to a VERY SLOW START.

Outscored the Blazers in the 2nd and 4th quarters .... kept pace in the 3rd.

Slow starts .... it'll do it eveytime !!!
 
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piksi said:
I assume that these grades are only for offensive performance. Baskettball is a 2 way game. Certain Kings player only play one way.
You're harsh. 7 games in 9 nights and a guy goes for 35 and you
still rip on him.
 

piksi

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Heuge said:
You're harsh. 7 games in 9 nights and a guy goes for 35 and you
still rip on him.
Well he did score 35 but overall he got outplayed by DS. I am not ripping anyone but You can not give somebody "A-" after going AWOL on defense. I understand that Mike is tired but that should not influence the grade. When You play - you are fit - no excuses.
 
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piksi said:
Well he did score 35 but overall he got outplayed by DS. I am not ripping anyone but You can not give somebody "A-" after going AWOL on defense. I understand that Mike is tired but that should not influence the grade. When You play - you are fit - no excuses.
You have yet to understand that defense is a team thing :rolleyes: and DS going for 30 (which is not being outplayed-BTW) is not all on Bibby. The guards shared the burden against Van Ugly, Telfair, and DS.
 
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I guess that grades are what the grades are. Good job Brick.

I don't remember if I ever saw three starters coming back at the same time, so this game was a tune up, win or lose.

I don't care how many shots Webber missed, he seemed to adjust very well as the game went on. BTW, am I the only one who is starting to belive that Webebr's improved FT shooting and even 3-point shooting has something to do with his injuty and rehab? He bends his knees differently/better and shoots less with his back and more with his legs (if that translation from Serbian makes any sense to you).
 
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bozzwell said:
I guess that grades are what the grades are. Good job Brick.

I don't remember if I ever saw three starters coming back at the same time, so this game was a tune up, win or lose.

I don't care how many shots Webber missed, he seemed to adjust very well as the game went on. BTW, am I the only one who is starting to belive that Webebr's improved FT shooting and even 3-point shooting has something to do with his injuty and rehab? He bends his knees differently/better and shoots less with his back and more with his legs (if that translation from Serbian makes any sense to you).
It makes sense. I was thinking that his work ethic became better after the unjury because of neccessity. He's not as atheletic but his fondamentals have become much better.
 

piksi

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Heuge said:
You have yet to understand that defense is a team thing :rolleyes: and DS going for 30 (which is not being outplayed-BTW) is not all on Bibby. The guards shared the burden against Van Ugly, Telfair, and DS.
well DS had 3 more assists and one less TO so I do think that he outplayed Bibby last night. Ineresting argumentation about defense being a team thing. What are his teamates supposed to do ? Slap him every time he lets an opponent pass him by. Team defense is 5 on 5 not 4 on 5.
 
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