Gerald Wallace

[Sac.1989]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ApEgDihZdMxDJQAlwEIxrEO8vLYF?slug=aw-wallacebobcats011411

The Charlotte Bobcats have discussed a trade to send forward Gerald Wallace(notes) to the Cleveland Cavaliers, a league source told Yahoo! Sports.

The Cavaliers would use their trade exception to acquire Wallace, but have also pushed for a lottery-protected first-round pick for them to take on the two years and $22 million left on Wallace’s contract through the 2012-13 season, the source said.



No deal is imminent, and the Cavaliers have until July 10 to use the $14.5 million trade exception created from the sign-and-trade with the Miami Heat for LeBron James(notes). If the NBA and Players Association haven’t reached a new collective bargaining agreement by the end of June, the Cavs would run the risk of having the trade exception expire during the lockout.

The Cavaliers are in freefall, with an 11-game losing streak and an NBA-worst 8-30 record. They have had numerous discussions about absorbing a player into the exception, but are strongly considering the proposed Wallace deal.


The Bobcats have been shopping Wallace for several weeks and discussed packaging him in deals to several teams. Charlotte has struggled to a 15-21 record, and replaced Larry Brown with interim coach Paul Silas last month. Facing significant financial losses this season, Bobcats owner Michael Jordan has targeted his highest-paid player as a way to trim payroll.


Wallace’s performance has sagged this season; he’s averaging 16.4 points and 8.1 rebounds. Still, Charlotte has won four straight games, including a victory over the Chicago Bulls on Wednesday, and holds the eighth and final playoff spot in the Eastern Conference.

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We should look into this.

 

[UK_King]

I'd like him back... many wouldn't it seems.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

I'd send them Greene and Landry for Wallace and not ask for a lottery-protected pick like the Cavs are. I'd take on his contract, CBA looming or no. (Here the Yahoo story has 2/$22M but ShamSports has 2/$21M and no mention of a trade kicker...usually Sham has his numbers right. That $1M doesn't make a difference, though.)

 

[Spike]

I'd send them Greene and Landry for Wallace and not ask for a lottery-protected pick like the Cavs are. I'd take on his contract, CBA looming or no. (Here the Yahoo story has 2/$22M but ShamSports has 2/$21M and no mention of a trade kicker...usually Sham has his numbers right. That $1M doesn't make a difference, though.)

I'd make it a top 5 protected pick. Adding Wallace to the lineup may push us past the 5th worst spot record-wise, assuming Westphal doesn't get cute with minutes, but you never know.

 

[Nighthawk1]

I'd send them Greene and Landry for Wallace and not ask for a lottery-protected pick like the Cavs are. I'd take on his contract, CBA looming or no. (Here the Yahoo story has 2/$22M but ShamSports has 2/$21M and no mention of a trade kicker...usually Sham has his numbers right. That $1M doesn't make a difference, though.)

It's a pretty cheap price to pay for a pretty solid impact player I would think... to bring Crash back is an interesting problem to have. I would think that price is right.

 

[funkykingston]

I love Gerald Wallace and he's an ideal third option on a good team because he doesn't need plays run for him and does a lot of things well on the court.

BUT, my outlook on this Kings team is that Evans and Cousins are the building blocks and the rest of the team needs to be constructed around them. While I love Wallace and have (slightly frustratingly) been watching his evolution since we left him unprotected in the expansion draft, the reality is that I don't see him as a good fit with our young core.

Evans' game is attacking the paint. Cousins had nice touch but his bread and butter is in the post. To me, the players we need to surround them with better shooters rather than players who excel at crashing the rim.

 

[bajaden]

I love Gerald Wallace and he's an ideal third option on a good team because he doesn't need plays run for him and does a lot of things well on the court.

BUT, my outlook on this Kings team is that Evans and Cousins are the building blocks and the rest of the team needs to be constructed around them. While I love Wallace and have (slightly frustratingly) been watching his evolution since we left him unprotected in the expansion draft, the reality is that I don't see him as a good fit with our young core.

Evans' game is attacking the paint. Cousins had nice touch but his bread and butter is in the post. To me, the players we need to surround them with better shooters rather than players who excel at crashing the rim.

Since I'm a big Wallace fan, I couldn't disagree more. I think he would be the perfect fit. He would bring veteran leadership to a very young team, and players would respect him. He has been an all star. He's a terrific defender, and may be one of the top three defenders at the SF position. He almost led the NBA at rebounding last year, and without a doubt is the best rebounding SF in the NBA. He's only 28 years old, so its not like he's going to be over the hill tomorrow. His offensive game is a lot like Melo's in that he can score in a variety of ways. He'll shoot the midrandge shot. His 3pt shot has improved to where he has to be guarded. He'll attack the basket, and he'll post you up. He's also a great transition player.

Frankly I don't know what there is not to like. The only knock I've heard, that has any legitimacy is his past injury record. He only has two years left on his contract, so its not like your tied to him for life, and with a new CBA, he may actually be affordable past his contract.

 

[bajaden]

I'd make it a top 5 protected pick. Adding Wallace to the lineup may push us past the 5th worst spot record-wise, assuming Westphal doesn't get cute with minutes, but you never know.

I think you may have the trade wrong. Under the currrent outlines of the trade, the Kings would be recieving a first round pick, not giving one up. At least thats the trade the Cav's are working on. Thats why the Capt. said to forget the 1st round pick and just do a player swap. Actually if the Bobcats don't want any player salary in return, all we would have to do is send them Landry and just absorb the rest of Wallace's salary.

 

[Peter_Gibbons]

The question is why all these proposed deals comes up but they are always being discussed with other teams. We have the most cap space this year and next. We have the tradable young pieces that people want. Yet we are never involved in any trade talks.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Actually if the Bobcats don't want any player salary in return, all we would have to do is send them Landry and just absorb the rest of Wallace's salary.

True. I do imagine the Bobcats might be interested in giving Donte a chance, though. It's not like he's expensive. And if you think he's not getting any PT now, what will it be like if we acquire an all-star SF who plays great D? We'd be looking at Gerald getting 30-35 minutes, Omri getting probably the remainder of the SF minutes as a shooter off the bench, with some flex lineups (both Omri and Gerald on the floor together) to get Casspi up to 20+ minutes. We'd have to actually construct a doghouse for Donte and chain him to it on the sideline if we didn't send him off in a trade for Wallace. Free Donte!

 

[Alacron]

I wouldn't mind bringing Wallace back, he'd be an instant upgrade to the SF position. Hard to believe he's only 28, it seems like he's been around forever. Lot of miles on those legs, and I've always been concerned about his injuries. But he's held up ten years in the NBA and still playing at a high level... if we gave up Landry and Greene we're really not risking much, so I definitely hope Geoff makes that call.
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[hrdboild]

So Charlotte wants to give Cleveland Gerald Wallace for nothing, and Cleveland says "throw in a first round pick and we've got a deal"? People are talking about trading Landry and Greene, but we're way under the cap. We could take Gerald Wallace for nothing and not demand a pick and we've already got Cleveland's lopsided deal beat. (Of course that would involve adding additional salary this year which is reportedly off limits)

 

[bajaden]

The question is why all these proposed deals comes up but they are always being discussed with other teams. We have the most cap space this year and next. We have the tradable young pieces that people want. Yet we are never involved in any trade talks.

I know its frustrating at times, but the truth is, you never hear about the Kings being involved in trade talks until suddenly it happens. Petrie is a stickler for not bandying players names around in the press. He's stated many times that he doen't think its fair to the player to see his name involved in suspossed deals that might not ever happen. When you do see the Kings mentioned, it usually comes from another team, and 90% of the time it has little merit.

However, that doesn't mean that talks aren't happening. Its just that unless a trade is made, we'll never know about it.

 

[bajaden]

So Charlotte wants to give Cleveland Gerald Wallace for nothing, and Cleveland says "throw in a first round pick and we've got a deal"? People are talking about trading Landry and Greene, but we're way under the cap. We could take Gerald Wallace for nothing and not demand a pick and we've already got Cleveland's lopsided deal beat.

I think thats sort of what the Capt proposed..

 

[hrdboild]

I think thats sort of what the Capt proposed..

We'd probably have to include Landry just to get his salary off the books for the Maloofs to okay a deal, but we don't have to give up Greene. We'd have too many SFs at that point, but Greene is a legitimate asset and if Charlotte is desperate enough to dump him to take nothing back in return, we should hang on to Greene so at least we can use him in another trade.

 

[vikinginferno]

The Bobcats are trying to unload basically everything. That means a deal could happen where they send both Wallace and Jackson. I saw someone else offering Beno, Landry, Dalembert, and Donte for Jackson, Wallace, and Mohammed. Personally, I'm not that interested in Stephen Jackson as he is too old and could take away from what we are trying to do, but a lineup of Reke/SJax/GWall/JT/Cousins is playoff material for next season.

 

[Peter_Gibbons]

I know its frustrating at times, but the truth is, you never hear about the Kings being involved in trade talks until suddenly it happens. Petrie is a stickler for not bandying players names around in the press. He's stated many times that he doen't think its fair to the player to see his name involved in suspossed deals that might not ever happen. When you do see the Kings mentioned, it usually comes from another team, and 90% of the time it has little merit.

However, that doesn't mean that talks aren't happening. Its just that unless a trade is made, we'll never know about it.

I agree. Just frustrating because guys like GW and AI are probably the best guys we can get our hands on thats actually available. Everyone else is just either not in our league or not available.

So between Gerald and Andre Iguodala, who do would you choose? Iggy is more expensive. Both good defenders, physical for their position, gets to the rack, has improved their once poor shooting over the years etc etc. AI is a little younger, both having "off" years. Both are supposedly being shopped.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

I think thats sort of what the Capt proposed..

Yep. If (and it may be a big if) Charlotte is looking to dump Wallace for next to nothing, we can and absoutely should beat Cleveland's lowball, draft-pick-grubbing offer. We can absorb Wallace's salary without matching, if they like. We can do it without requiring them to give us a draft pick. And we've got a couple of nice pieces that are a darn sight better that anything Cleveland can offer. Donte should be on the table. Landry should absolutely be on the table, if they're interested in expiring contracts. Frankly, Omri should probably be off the table because I don't think Cleveland can beat an offer of just Greene alone, and I like Omri to complement Wallace.

I had ideas earlier about sending off Dalembert and Greene to get back Wallace and Diop (taking the hit on the Diop contract to land Gerald) but if Wallace's value is THAT low, forget that. Anyway, finally a deal I hope Petrie gets his mitts on.

 

[bajaden]

Yep. If (and it may be a big if) Charlotte is looking to dump Wallace for next to nothing, we can and absoutely should beat Cleveland's lowball, draft-pick-grubbing offer. We can absorb Wallace's salary without matching, if they like. We can do it without requiring them to give us a draft pick. And we've got a couple of nice pieces that are a darn sight better that anything Cleveland can offer. Donte should be on the table. Landry should absolutely be on the table, if they're interested in expiring contracts. Frankly, Omri should probably be off the table because I don't think Cleveland can beat an offer of just Greene alone, and I like Omri to complement Wallace.

I had ideas earlier about sending off Dalembert and Greene to get back Wallace and Diop (taking the hit on the Diop contract to land Gerald) but if Wallace's value is THAT low, forget that. Anyway, finally a deal I hope Petrie gets his mitts on.

I plan on lighting a few candles at my basketball shrine.. It would certainly put a few more butts in the seats..

 

[Section 101]

The Bobcats are trying to unload basically everything. That means a deal could happen where they send both Wallace and Jackson. I saw someone else offering Beno, Landry, Dalembert, and Donte for Jackson, Wallace, and Mohammed. Personally, I'm not that interested in Stephen Jackson as he is too old and could take away from what we are trying to do, but a lineup of Reke/SJax/GWall/JT/Cousins is playoff material for next season.

Repeat after me, the Kings are not taking on any additional future salaries. The only way this gets done is for Beno and Garcia.

 

[Prince_XY]

The question is why all these proposed deals comes up but they are always being discussed with other teams. We have the most cap space this year and next. We have the tradable young pieces that people want. Yet we are never involved in any trade talks.

Or maybe we are actually being hopeless homers in thinking we have very good young players that teams want?

 

[bajaden]

Or maybe we are actually being hopeless homers in thinking we have very good young players that teams want?

I don't like the word hopeless, and your wrong. I'm tired right now, and I'm not in a good mood. So you have a good night..

 

[kingsfan101]

Repeat after me, the Kings are not taking on any additional future salaries. The only way this gets done is for Beno and Garcia.

It's been mentioned several times, so I understand where you are coming from. If they stick to this stance even if we can get an all star without giving up any of the core pieces though, it shall be a bad plan.

Unless Maloofs and Petrie feel that the new CBA shall really put teams with cap space at a huge advantage, what exactly do we hope to achive with the huge cap space? We aren't getting any tier 1 FAs. I don't know who is available, but do we really hope to get someone much better than GW?

 

[Section 101]

It's been mentioned several times, so I understand where you are coming from. If they stick to this stance even if we can get an all star without giving up any of the core pieces though, it shall be a bad plan.

Unless Maloofs and Petrie feel that the new CBA shall really put teams with cap space at a huge advantage, what exactly do we hope to achive with the huge cap space? We aren't getting any tier 1 FAs. I don't know who is available, but do we really hope to get someone much better than GW?

If its a franchise player I think they would do it.

As for the new CBA. If there is a hard cap and teams have to trade players to get under it thats how you use the cap space. So if Miami has to choose 2 of their big 3 and trade the other etc.

 

[bajaden]

If its a franchise player I think they would do it.

As for the new CBA. If there is a hard cap and teams have to trade players to get under it thats how you use the cap space. So if Miami has to choose 2 of their big 3 and trade the other etc.

Bingo! I've been doing a lot of reading of the local rags around the league. Of course no one knows what the outcome will be, but one thing is for sure, the owners are circling the wagons. One article I read which had input from someone that was involved from the owners side in the past, said that if there's a lockout, they will cancel the season immediately. They want a hard cap, and they have no intentions of grandfathering in any contracts that may already exist that exceed the cap. They want to do away with both Bird rules, and there will difinitely be no mid-level exception or bi-annual exception. The owners also want a more equal share of the total revenues.

This person stated that there were 5 or 6 teams that would save money by having a lockout and cancelling the season.

Now all this may not come to pass. But if it does two things are likely. The cap will more than likely be higher to help accomadate the teams with excessive salary structures, and there will be a lot of players on the market looking for a job, and a team with the money to pay them. In other words, the Kings could be sitting in the catbird seat.

So with these kind of possibilities in the future, I can certainly understand the Kings wanting to wait and see. I'd still love to get Wallace though. But you never know, after the new CBA, we might still be able to get him, and at a lower price..

 

[ParniValjak]

I am not sure that Wallace would be a good fit for this team with Tyreke and DeMarcus. I think we need more of a genuine scoring threat at SF and when I say scoring threat, I mean someone who is a 20ppg type scorer and a very good to great 3 pt shooter. I don't think Wallace is either of those but he still is a VERY VERY good player. Just not a great fit for this team.

I still think that Granger would be a better fit at SF for this team than Wallace because of his better shooting. With Evans and Cousins we need to keep the lane open. Wallace is more of a slasher than a shooter and as such, not a good complement to Evans and Cousins.

If we can add that 3rd star (preferrably a SF with range on his jump shot) and get that defensive interior presence to pair with Cousins and we would be back in business.