George To Mavs (merged)

just curious; will you be talking smack if/when kobe leaves the lakers? it seems like, any time a player leaves the lakers, you try to make him look like dirt. interesting. unlike the kings fans who always support their former players (except when they play against the kings; as the cliche would continue).

Don't take this as a diss, but I've got more expertise in this subject than you by default. I've seen his entire career. He's an inconsistent 5 pt, 2.5 reb, sub .400 career shooter with glass ankles.

His best year was when he coincidentally started alongside Shaq, Kobe, Malone, and Payton. He had a great start that season and then freefalled in ugly fashion. At that point, any Laker fan paying attention lost any remaining hope that he would ever "blossom". Laker fans have griped for years that Mitch wasted the full MLE on him after failing to claim his 4th year. George would not be in the NBA today if Jerry West didn't have a habit of taking unknowns. He's got a prototype NBA SF body and all he could manage was Div III school. What's that tell you?

I didn't weep over the losses of Fisher, 2003 Horry, Rush, Slava, and Samaki. My conscience was clean when each of them disappeared. Former Lakers who I've always tipped my hat to were Perkins, Green, Bowie, Threatt, Peeler, Jones. I appreciate Butler's stay, but he had to go. I relish the fact that we got the best of Shaq's years. Fin.
 
^ The donuts quote was a strict diss of Dallas, not George. The way they folded against Miami was a dispicable display of softness.
 
Mavs get Devean George




http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...mavs/stories/080206dnspomavslede.44b8add.html



Mavs, George agree to terms


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[SIZE=-1]12:35 AM CDT on Wednesday, August 2, 2006

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[SIZE=-1]By CHUCK CARLTON / The Dallas Morning News[/SIZE]

The three championship rings that Devean George won playing alongside Shaq and Kobe gets everybody's attention.
The Mavericks saw even more in George, which will lead the 6-8 swingman to sign a two-year contract with the team today if he passes a routine physical.
George agreed to a two-year contract worth $4.2 million, agent Mark Bartelstein said.
Mavericks/NBA Mavs, George agree to terms
George's bio, stats
Schedule opens with Spurs
2006-07 schedule
Chat wrap: Mavs are deep
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The deal includes a player option for the second year.
George could compete with Greg Buckner in training camp to replace Adrian Griffin at shooting guard. George has played small forward most of his career.
Mavericks president of basketball operations Donnie Nelson said the team was "lucky" to sign George with the $2 million remaining on this year's mid-level exception.
"We like gritty, hard-nosed, defensive minded players who do whatever it takes to win, and he's in that category," Nelson said. "He's pretty much the embodiment of what we were looking for."
The Mavericks made acquiring veterans with significant playoff experience a priority after blowing a 2-0 lead over the Miami Heat in the franchise's first NBA Finals appearance.
George won championships his first three seasons in the league with the Los Angeles Lakers. He wants to add to his collection.
"I know what it feels like it to win," George said. "It's a great feeling. It's something you want to have all the time."
George liked what he heard talking with coach Avery Johnson about 10 days ago.
Owner Mark Cuban sealed the deal Monday, in a 20-minute phone conversation. George heard that the Mavericks had an interest and available playing time.
"It helps," Cuban wrote in an e-mail about George's championship experience, "but the key is getting great players that can fit Avery's system and fill needs."
George was a blue-collar reserve on the Lakers' title teams, drawing playoff defensive assignments as varied as Manu Ginobili, Peja Stojakovic and (briefly) Reggie Miller. And there were the daily practice matchups with Kobe Bryant.
"My focus wasn't on scoring," George said. "It was bringing energy to the game. ... That's what I had to do in LA. That was my niche."
George's signing gives the Mavericks 14 roster players. The number should grow. The team has agreed on a one-year contract with a team option for undrafted rookie Pops Mensah-Bonsu if he passes a physical this week, Nelson said. The 6-9 George Washington product was impressive with the Mavericks summer league team.
The Mavericks might pursue a sign-and-trade deal involving unrestricted free agent Keith Van Horn.
"Everything is wide open," Nelson said.
 
What does this mean for the Mavs? They get a guy with Championship experience, but might have to give away their best shooter not named Dirk in Van Horn. Van Horn does have a tendancey to pull a Peja and disappear in the playoffs though, so Cuban might be looking for that final acquisition to push his team over the top! Other than his three rings though, I don't really see how he's much of an upgrade from Adrian Griffin. They basically play the same roles. For the Mavs' sake, maybe he'll do good to fill the void left by Marquis Daniels' departure. We'll see how Avery chooses to use him!
 
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Devean's gonna bring the donuts for morning practices. Those are the only rings that team will ever see.

What do you have against the mavericks? Obviously something is keeping you from seeing straight. It is ignorant to say they don't have a chance to win a championship. They were just in the finals last year and have only gotten stronger.
 
It is ignorant to say they don't have a chance to win a championship.

I'm coming from the perpsective that their own institutional softness has killed them year after year after year.

You're coming from the hope that they will somehow manage to survive that flaw all the way to a title. Last year was probably their best shot to disprove it, and they had the chance to disprove it against a less talented team with a 2-0 lead and HCA.

I think my position is more secure.
 
Tend to agree there ^. Also, Dirk can be slowed down by tough defense, as shown in the finals by Haslem/Posey mainly.
 
I'm coming from the perpsective that their own institutional softness has killed them year after year after year.

You're coming from the hope that they will somehow manage to survive that flaw all the way to a title. Last year was probably their best shot to disprove it, and they had the chance to disprove it against a less talented team with a 2-0 lead and HCA.

I think my position is more secure.

You're crazy if you think the mavs don't have another shot at a championship.
 
You're crazy if you think the mavs don't have another shot at a championship.

When was the last time a team widely considered to be soft won a title? Hm... My memory doesn't go back that far, I'm afraid.

Remember this JET 31: He may have been crude in how he said it, but Bonzi called it right.
 
The question might be exactly how soft the Mavs really are anymore, and how much is just us, as fans, being slow to change our attitudes toward them after their softness became a safe assumption year after year. They've gotten bigger, better on defense, and swapped out most of the soft core. Really only Dirk is left. Even swapped out the soft coach.

That said, bowing out the way they did is a bad sign. And I think soft or not (and I don't think you can wipe it all away in such a short time) such a collapse can be damaging to the team's psyche. In any case, they weren't head and shoulders better than everybody this year, and next year doesn't look any different. In the mix, and if they won it all it would not surprise me. But I'm not sure there is a favorite right now, and the Mavs still have as much to prove as any of the other top teams.
 
They're definitely improved on the court, but that's not what Garg is referring to, it's in the mental and instinct area. Also, as long as tough defense is played on Dirk as shown in the finals, the Mavs I'd say won't get a title. They'll go as far as Dirk goes, most likely.
 
"So when asked during a Wednesday news conference at American Airlines Center about joining the Mavericks -- a day after he signed a two-year, $4.2 million free-agent contract with Dallas -- (Devean) George couldn't help but outline the different styles. "I'm sure it might be a little boring around here," George said. But that was before he was reminded the Mavs are owned by Mark Cuban." Fort Worth Star-Telegram

"George might also be able to help the Mavs contain another nemesis -- Bryant. In a game last season, the Lakers star outscored the Mavs 62-61 through three quarters. George said he has some insight to offer, having guarded Bryant every day in practice."

"The acquisition of George most likely signals the end of the Mavs' personnel moves this off-season, unless they elect to re-sign Keith Van Horn or sign and trade him. This summer the Mavs added Greg Buckner through free agency, Austin Croshere and Anthony Johnson through trade, and they drafted rookie Maurice Ager in the first round."

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/basketball/15187854.htm

I doubt George or anyone on the Mavs can slow down Kobe...
 
When you go against someone everyday in practice even if you are a scrub you get better atleast guarding that person. Geroge will definitely give problems to Kobe the same way Reuben Patterson did. Kobe and the many of the laker fans can say that no one can slow down Kobe but the fact is that there are a few defenders who always give problems to Kobe and George could be one of them. The question will be about his glass ankles :)
 
When you go against someone everyday in practice even if you are a scrub you get better atleast guarding that person. Geroge will definitely give problems to Kobe the same way Reuben Patterson did. Kobe and the many of the laker fans can say that no one can slow down Kobe but the fact is that there are a few defenders who always give problems to Kobe and George could be one of them. The question will be about his glass ankles :)

Oh that's right..."The Kobe Stopper". :rolleyes: ;) (You do know he gave himself that name, don't you??) :p
 
whatever way it was Patterson did manage to give Kobe problems ;)

Imo, Patterson at one time was the best 1:1 defender of Kobe w/o being allowed to play basedrum, trip/kick, undercut, flop defense (Bowen/Raja). If either Patterson or Artest had those kind of weakazz inclinations, they'd be much more of a threat to Kobe. Bowen or Raja wouldn't even be matched up against him if the refs hadn't fostered those behaviors over time. They are generally smaller and much less athletic than Kobe, unlike guys like Patterson and Artest. Perhaps that's why Patterson and Artest don't resort to that stuff.

That said, no way will Radio George (in comparison to Patterson) be able to hold this guy. It should be funny to watch aamof. George isn't even a consistent defensive presence against decent players much less superstars.
 
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Imo, Patterson at one time was the best 1:1 defender of Kobe w/o being allowed to play basedrum, trip/kick, undercut, flop defense (Bowen/Raja). If either Patterson or Artest had those kind of weakazz inclinations, they'd be much more of a threat to Kobe. Bowen or Raja wouldn't even be matched up against him if the refs hadn't fostered those behaviors over time. They are generally smaller and much less athletic than Kobe, unlike guys like Patterson and Artest. Perhaps that's why Patterson and Artest don't resort to that stuff.

That said, no way will Radio George (in comparison to Patterson) be able to hold this guy. It should be funny to watch aamof. George isn't even a consistent defensive presence against decent players much less superstars.
patterson can't defend now they don't let you put two hands on a guy (or nanny, take your pick).
 
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