Gary Payton?

[Bricklayer]

I have to say that this could be good for the Kings plans. Not only that but it's another expiring contract and it looks like Petrie and company are trying anything they can to sign Peja to a max deal.

I'd say give up Bobby b/c I think in the end he is going to have to go if they sign Peja to a max deal. I would really miss BoJax and hope something happens to where he stays in Sactown, but reality says....

I would hate to see Otag go so that better not happen. Its nice to have at least one guy that can defend the paint.

Well, Bobby's is effectively an expiring contract for us too -- actually any of the guys who we might have to give up to get Payton -- Bobby or Tag or Songaila or Barnes or House or Daniels etc. -- none of those guys have contracts running after next season, and that is when any new contract for Peja would kick in. So there's no advantage if we're trying to clear contracts (and BTW, no reason we NEED to clear contracts anyway -- we can pay Peja as much as we want, only limitation being Maloof's pocketbooks).

 

[Bricklayer]

Well first, they are going to have to spend a nice chunk of change this summer to get a SG. Second I think the Maloofs want to sign Peja to an extension. They can't risk letting Peja go into free agency b/c it would be very hard to get him back.

Plus Gary's contract would take more off the books than Bobby's.

Yes, I would agree with the latter statement -- but the thing is the extension, no matter when its signed, does not actually START until after next season (Peja still plays next season out on his current contract no matter whether he's extended or not). So we could sign him to a $2 billion dollar a year contract if we wanted (not under the CBA, but whatever) and not a penny of it would have to be paid or would count against our cap until after next season. So any contract that ends no later than next season is effectively ending for us before we have to pay Peja the big bucks.

As for our OG -- interesting situation. We have one. I had assumed you were calling him one of the ending contracts because he could walk in the offseason. I certainly think it would be stupid to let him walk just to sign Peja to mega-money because we don't get better that way. But if we did, think the idea would have to be that either Mo (who we would also have to resign) or Martin would be ready to fill that spot cheaply.

 

[Ryle]

While I wouldn't be opposed to having Payton come off the bench for a championship run, the cost might be steeper than we think. The trade below works, but we'd be giving up Bobby Jackson (sorry, I can't see giving up Ostertag). The question is, why would Boston want to do it?


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Boston trades: PG Gary Payton(12.2 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 6.2 apg in 33.0 minutes) Boston receives: SF Erik Daniels(0.6 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.2 apg in 4.0 minutes) PG Eddie House(7.0 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 1.5 apg in 16.4 minutes) SF Matt Barnes(3.1 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 1.0 apg in 11.5 minutes) PF Michael Bradley(1.1 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 0.3 apg in 6.2 minutes) PG Bobby Jackson(11.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.3 apg in 21.7 minutes) Change in team outlook: +11.5 ppg, +6.8 rpg, and -0.9 apg.

Sacramento trades: SF Erik Daniels(0.6 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.2 apg in 4.0 minutes) PG Eddie House(7.0 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 1.5 apg in 16.4 minutes) SF Matt Barnes(3.1 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 1.0 apg in 11.5 minutes) PF Michael Bradley(1.1 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 0.3 apg in 6.2 minutes) PG Bobby Jackson(11.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.3 apg in 21.7 minutes) Sacramento receives: PG Gary Payton(12.2 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 6.2 apg in 33.0 minutes) Change in team outlook: -11.5 ppg, -6.8 rpg, and +0.9 apg.TRADE ACCEPTED

Due to Boston and Sacramento being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Boston and Sacramento had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.


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As noted previously....we have a trade exception from the Mobley trade which we can add to Bobby's salary. Bobby makes a little over 3 million so if you add in the 1.7 mill the that puts us at close to the 5.5 mill that Payton makes and therefore the trade would go through.

Basically we would trade someone who has been injured the last 2 years and won't even play until the playoffs for a future hall of famer(debateable) who, although on the downsided of his career, could play some good minutes in a back up role and can also play on the floor the same time as Bibby in different scenarios.

 

[Geoff]

Well, if GP is willing to come off the bench and play like the professional he is, I don't see any problems with it. He wants a championship, we want a championship, what's not to like?

 

[Bricklayer]

As noted previously....we have a trade exception from the Mobley trade which we can add to Bobby's salary. Bobby makes a little over 3 million so if you add in the 1.7 mill the that puts us at close to the 5.5 mill that Payton makes and therefore the trade would go through.

Basically we would trade someone who has been injured the last 2 years and won't even play until the playoffs for a future hall of famer(debateable) who, although on the downsided of his career, could play some good minutes in a back up role and can also play on the floor the same time as Bibby in different scenarios.

Yes but...if Bobby is back for the playoffs, a significant "IF" BTW, Bobby Jackson is a more explosive player at this point in his career than Gary Payton. We'd have Gary for the regular season yes, but not sure that we'd eb any better off in the playoffs. And of course are losing a solid citizen for a....Gary Payton.

Anyway, that's all devil's advocate stuff because like I said at the beginning of this thread, don't really see how we could get it done without giving up SOMEBODY significant, whether it be Bobby, Tag,young guys, Darius, somebody. Unfortunately because of his salary we can't just pick him up for a pick.

 

[LPKingsFan]

I'd do it, but not at the expense of Bobby.

 

[Ryle]

I'd do it, but not at the expense of Bobby.

If Bobby was healthy and playing I would agree with you but he hasn't exactly been healthy and playing and there are no gaurantees he will be this year.

 

[G_M]

Other than Bradley I would not give up a frontcourt player in a possible deal for Payton. Let's face it Brad is no Ironman and Webb is well...Webb. If Brad goes down for an extended period we are SCREWED.

I would at least entertain the notion of trading Bobby and Barnes. Witk Karl coaching in Denver I could see Payton landing there. If he wants to play for a true contender Sac or Phoenix would seem logical.

 

[KP]

I can't believe this thread is up to 5 pages.

 

[Bricklayer]

Other than Bradley I would not give up a frontcourt player in a possible deal for Payton. Let's face it Brad is no Ironman and Webb is well...Webb. If Brad goes down for an extended period we are SCREWED.

I would at least entertain the notion of trading Bobby and Barnes. Witk Karl coaching in Denver I could see Payton landing there. If he wants to play for a true contender Sac or Phoenix would seem logical.

Don't worry about our frontcourt GM, because you see in the second part of our diabolical plan after we trade for Payton we then have him call up his close friend and fellow carpetbagger Karl Malone and we get BOTH of the sell out scum to come to town together! Woot!!

 

[PFFFT!!]

Don't worry about our frontcourt GM, because you see in the second part of our diabolical plan after we trade for Payton we then have him call up his close friend and fellow carpetbagger Karl Malone and we get BOTH of the sell out scum to come to town together! Woot!!

funny brickie, funny :\

 

[SacTownKid]

Yes, I would agree with the latter statement -- but the thing is the extension, no matter when its signed, does not actually START until after next season (Peja still plays next season out on his current contract no matter whether he's extended or not). So we could sign him to a $2 billion dollar a year contract if we wanted (not under the CBA, but whatever) and not a penny of it would have to be paid or would count against our cap until after next season. So any contract that ends no later than next season is effectively ending for us before we have to pay Peja the big bucks.

As for our OG -- interesting situation. We have one. I had assumed you were calling him one of the ending contracts because he could walk in the offseason. I certainly think it would be stupid to let him walk just to sign Peja to mega-money because we don't get better that way. But if we did, think the idea would have to be that either Mo (who we would also have to resign) or Martin would be ready to fill that spot cheaply.

The thing with Peja is that the Maloofs obviously don't want a New York Knicks salary sheet. Just look at the lack of going after any big name free agents this summer. They won't want to sign Peja unless a lot of money is freed up. The freeing up of money has already begun with the Mobley trade. They may still sign Mobley back and I of course wish that the Maloofs would break the bank like Mark Cuban does, but they haven't yet, and as smart business men probably won't.

 

[SacTownKid]

I can't believe this thread is up to 5 pages.

I can, with the Mobley trade I think our idea of what Petrie can/will do is a little different than before. That and Gary Payton has apparently specifically mentioned two teams, Twolves and Kings.

 

[KP]

I can, with the Mobley trade I think our idea of what Petrie can/will do is a little different than before. That and Gary Payton has apparently specifically mentioned two teams, Twolves and Kings.

Gary Payton isn't the Gm of the Kings. If it happens I'll eat my words, but I think GP's washed up and has a bad attitude... and I think Petrie thinks so too. Add to that that the wolves are looking to try almost anything at this point and it gets even less likely...

 

[iheartBrad]

I can't believe this thread is up to 5 pages.

thats exactly what i came in here to say

 

[uolj]

The thing with Peja is that the Maloofs obviously don't want a New York Knicks salary sheet. Just look at the lack of going after any big name free agents this summer. They won't want to sign Peja unless a lot of money is freed up. The freeing up of money has already begun with the Mobley trade. They may sign Mobley back and I of course wish that the Maloofs would break the bank like Mark Cuban does, but they haven't yet, and as smart business men probably won't.

I disagree. The Maloofs have never been stingy when it comes to paying their own stars, and I think a big part of the reason they didn't land any major free agents is their belief (and Petrie's belief) that major changes are more hindrance than help. Sticking to a core group of guys and letting them grow and improve together is their style.

Some have said that the Maloofs spent extra at the beginning to build the foundation of a good team and increase the exposure, and that now they are going to curtail spending. However, if Stojakovic leaves after this contract runs out, I think it will be more because he didn't want to be here than any decision the Maloofs make to rein in their budget.

I can't believe this thread is up to 5 pages.

It's on page 2 for me.

 

[KP]

It's on page 2 for me.

Lucky!

 

[uolj]

Lucky!

It's all skill baby.

 

[thedofd]

Yes but...if Bobby is back for the playoffs, a significant "IF" BTW, Bobby Jackson is a more explosive player at this point in his career than Gary Payton. We'd have Gary for the regular season yes, but not sure that we'd eb any better off in the playoffs. And of course are losing a solid citizen for a....Gary Payton.

Anyway, that's all devil's advocate stuff because like I said at the beginning of this thread, don't really see how we could get it done without giving up SOMEBODY significant, whether it be Bobby, Tag,young guys, Darius, somebody. Unfortunately because of his salary we can't just pick him up for a pick.

I guess it comes down to a handful of questions that Petrie and Co. have to consider:

1) Will Bobby be back for the playoffs, and if so, will he be as effective as usual?
2) In a year without a clearly dominant team, can Payton be the X factor that gets the Kings over the top? In other words, does he have enough gas left, and how would he fit from a personality standpoint?
3) Are the Kings championship material as currently constituted (with or without BoJax)?
4) Will Bobby be worth re-signing after next season (no offense meant -- simply a business decision that has to factor in age, injuries, the progress of younger players, etc.)?
5) If you're thinking about trading Bobby Jackson, is there something doable that might have more impact than Payton -- for example, a younger, bigger, more athletic, defensive-minded player?

You mentioned that we might be better off in the regular season but not necessarily in the playoffs. I guess my feeling is, win as much as you can in the regular season because home court seems to mean so much to this team. Without bringing up the whole working-CWebb-back-into-the-rotation argument, I'd have liked to have seen Game 7 vs. Minnesota last year played at Arco. Might have been a different outcome.

 

[Bballkingsrock]

Just to clear some things up, Grant said the rumor came from Chad Ford. Isn't that the same guy that said there was a fight on the King's airplane? he also said Gary probably won't come to the Kings. He is more likley to go to Minnesota.

 

[SacKings384]

Just to clear some things up, Grant said the rumor came from Chad Ford. Isn't that the same guy that said there was a fight on the King's airplane? he also said Gary probably won't come to the Kings. He is more likley to go to Minnesota.

Hudson, Cassell, AND Payton? Where will they find the minutes? Hudson is complaining about his PT as it is...

 

[VF21]

It's all skill baby.

And going to your user control panel and changing the default option of only showing 20 posts per page.

 

[Ryle]

Just to clear some things up, Grant said the rumor came from Chad Ford. Isn't that the same guy that said there was a fight on the King's airplane? he also said Gary probably won't come to the Kings. He is more likley to go to Minnesota.

Actually it didn't come from Chad Ford, it came from the Boston Globe. Also, Grant should not be considered a source whatsoever. He's Adelmans lacky as he feels the coach can do no wrong.

 

[Bricklayer]

Also, Grant should not be considered a source whatsoever. He's Adelmans lacky as he feels the coach can do no wrong.

What the hell does that have to do with his credibility vis a vis a Payton rumor?

 

[Ryle]

What the hell does that have to do with his credibility vis a vis a Payton rumor?

Just my opinion and it goes to his credibility. Considering Petrie tells no one what he is doing(his wife even admitted this on the radio yesterday and she said she didn't even know about the Mobley deal) I wouldn't put much credence into what the team play by play guy says.

 

[slugking50]

Just my opinion and it goes to his credibility. Considering Petrie tells no one what he is doing(his wife even admitted this on the radio yesterday and she said she didn't even know about the Mobley deal) I wouldn't put much credence into what the team play by play guy says.

Well she admitted she was a blabber mouth and shed tell everybody. Said he told her it was better that way so she couldn't get in trouble...I was rolling...lol









I'd be shocked if Payton became a KIng... Im 99% sure theres no chance....