Hoovtrain
All-Star
And next we will all air our grievances about the FO followed by a feats of strength...in this case that involves having to sit through and stomach this NBA 3.0 crap.
[Game] Game 28: Sacramento Kings @ Golden State Warriors, 12/22/14. 7:30 PST, 10:30 EST
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And next we will all air our grievances about the FO followed by a feats of strength...in this case that involves having to sit through and stomach this NBA 3.0 crap.
And maybe, just maybe, if you've been a good little Spike, Santa will have left you a special present at STA.
I hope you asked him for a new coach for the Kings.Even with Malone after his injury, he played poor. I think it has a lot more to do with the small samples of games.
Collison is mediocre starting PG. He's really a bench PG that provides you with quick offense and 15-20minutes of pesky defense. However, as a starter, his skill to make the next big leap is in question. His job is really minimized with both HC. All we really required of him so far is to quickly dump the ball to Cuz and Gay. I would like to see a lot more plays ran for Cousins that result in easy baskets. There's a reason why bigs like Davis, Plumlee, Griffin, and etc all get very easy wide open dunks. What's the difference between their team and ours? They have a good PG.
Playmaking wise, he's doing the same thing IT was last year, but he's more of a willing passer. He's just not that good of a play maker imo. Imagine if we had a good quality starting PG paired up next to Cousins.. Collison hasn't been terrible, but if we can get a better PG, we should.
You know I did!And maybe, just maybe, if you've been a good little Spike, Santa will have left you a special present at STA.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
That's certainly one way to put it
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lawlman91
Starter
Really the potential future with Malone was more of a blow than a worse record this year. As I've said over and over again, Malone & Cousins == Popovich & Duncan
HereWeBoogie
Hall of Famer
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No way in telling of Malone and Cousins = Popovich and Duncan lol. People weren't certainly saying that last year when we only won 28 games..
After a 9-6 start with Cousins healthy, you've already predetermined that Cousin's relationship with Malone would be equal to that of a HOF coach and HOF player that's played together for 17seasons in the NBA?
15games vs 1,000+games, and you've decided the relationship between a player and their coach is =====?
This is really taking it a little far....
Malone is not a GOAT coach.. there are better coaches out there....... we will never know what could've happened, but comparing their relationship to Pop and Duncan?
I think we all got too excited about a 5-1 start..
NewArena
All-Star
oh please. the overreaction is insane in here
we simply dont matchup well with this team. like, at all
Kingston Jamaica
Bench
That's exactly correct. If you look how they play and what their system is, the present Kings roster does not have a good answer to that. Let's not get overwhelmed with this. The Warriors of today is not a team that the Kings are supposed to win easily or at all. It's going to take some mileage from the Kings to get to that level of chemistry and execution.
Chubbs
Starter
But here's the thing.
Our management thinks we do, and that we just need to will our way into being a running team. That it's a frame of mind. That winning and losing doesn't matter, only style.
We barely beat the lakers and lost to the bucks minus two starters. The evidence will accumulate quickly that this is NOT going to work, that Malone was overachieving with a misfit bunch of mismatched parts. Another 28 win season is not out of the question at all.
Overachieving to underachieving in record time. Great stuff from the front office.
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GQ_Gabriel
Guest
I love Darren Collison. I'm not sure if I am 100% confident in him being our starting PG in the long run, however.
FaStRmAn
Starter
I dont think it is time to sound the alarm on another 28 win season. I predicted 35 and I am gonna stick with that. This team has improved. Cousins has improved and that in and of itself is worth a few wins. I do believe that another coach will be coaching this team before the end of the season. Probably Karl or someone of his caliber. This team has some holes but it also has some talent. More so than a 28 win team. That being said this FO needs to get off their duff and start filling holes. Backup PG and Backup Center are a priority. Fill one of those holes before the end of this season and go into the off season with a better idea what direction they need to go in the draft.
Stauskas is looking like a bad draft pick not because of his play but because of McLemore's play. 2 guard was not a priority. PG was and there were PG's available where they selected. At some point we HAVE to break the top 3 draft picks and when they do they need to hit on an impact player. The days of sloppy drafting have to be over and done with. If you want winners on the court you have to have winners in the front office.
Stauskas is looking like a bad draft pick not because of his play but because of McLemore's play. 2 guard was not a priority. PG was and there were PG's available where they selected. At some point we HAVE to break the top 3 draft picks and when they do they need to hit on an impact player. The days of sloppy drafting have to be over and done with. If you want winners on the court you have to have winners in the front office.
lawlman91
Starter
I was taking it that far. It could have happened and it could have not; now, we know that it definitely will not happen -- which is my point.
It was possible given the relationship between Malone and Cousins, if only Malone was given the chance to develop as a Head Coach. But remember, he could have also been a failed experiment too. But given his personality (subjectively based on interviews), he would have given his arms and legs to do what was best for the team, and that would be enough to say that he would at least be a good head coach to DeMarcus for the next decade or so.
I'm not saying that we missed out on a GOAT coach nor a championship. We could have missed out on those things -- we could have missed out on the objective accomplishments similar to Pop's and Duncan's... but as you said, we will never know what could have happened... at least in terms of accomplishments. We did miss out on what was subjective -- the relationship between Malone and Cousins. Here is where the comparison really matters.
The duo of Malone and Cousins could have been great to watch for a decade. It would have (not could have!) given the Kings a sense of identity similar to how Pop and Duncan gave an identity to the Spurs. And they had a good relationship, too! If you've been reading articles about the Kings, you would know that the duo really loved each other, like Wolverine-holding-a-picture loved. Given stability and identity, maybe we could have more of a foot in Free Agency, as evidenced by Rudy Gay's reasons to re-sign with Sacramento, albeit being one instance.
To those that say that objectivity makes winning teams: good teams click on both the objective and the subjective. The objective can be quickly attained by trades and Free Agency signings. It can also be attained over time by development. But the subjective is harder to find. If we only mind the objective, we would be punching at a ceiling for eternity, not knowing how to break through. Sure, we are at the ceiling... but we would be lucky break through (but definitely possible).
The finality with which I said my previous comment was politically incorrect, and you completely ripped the poopoo out of the fact that it was politically incorrect. Part of the comparison is true (subjectives), while the rest were up to Malone's development as a coach (objectives). It's hard to argue for Boogie's development, since he's just so freaky good already. And it would be painful to put disclaimers along with every comment I make.
But... talking about the past for the sake of talking about the past and for the sake of talking about what could have happened... isn't really healthy. So what can we get out of this, looking towards the future? It shows how the FO values its coaches, players, and staff: as instruments to fulfill the vision of NBA 3.0. It also gives that same impression to those that could potentially be a part of coaching, playing, and staff(ing?). Most importantly, it shows how the FO is committed to the objective and disregards the subjective. This is what we'll see going forward, barring change. And I really think they ought to think about the subjective more than they do right now.
And the "=="? I've been coding, didn't realize it.
randymoss1881
Starter
Yup DMC/Malone should have been here for a decade
