Free Agency

Regarding the roster size so far, I believe that if Ben isn't part of a deal with Rudy or Koufos, he's going to be dealt for a pick....and it wouldn't surprise me if it was a high 2nd round type to clear a roster spot. I'd prefer to give minutes to the ultra long Richardson. Besides with Afflalo and Temple, there's not much PT at SG.
 

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Anybody know the source of those rumors? I.e. is that just some fan saying, "you know, the Thunder need to replace Durant and the Kings are going defensive..." or was this a media source (with or without credibility)?

Because I was like that fan above and thinking OKC needs Rudy, what do they have, Roberson +...??? myself. But no way I would have guessed we would do a Roberson + Payne move. In fact I don't think its even possible on its own because of salary cap rules (but fuzzy right now where OKC and we sit in the midst of FA madness, but we are near the top).

Thing is, while I had not hit upon Payne, what I had considered was that Waiters could still be signed and traded I think. I have no interest, but the matching money has to come from somewhere.

And if Roberson and Payne were actually somehow legal and we actually did that, it would be a gigantic lay your cards on the table confirmation of our determination to play this like Ewing and his Knicks. one Cuz to do all the scoring, and then a defensive roleplayer palooza everywhere else (Payne is long for a PG with defensive potential, Roberson is obviously a top guy). Now that Wade's gone wonder if Riles would be willing to come to town and join Joerger's staff. :)
I could be wrong but what I am seeing is OKC is 22 mil under and we are topped out. With Rudy at 13.5 and the sum of Roberson and Payne close to 6 mil. If that trade occurred. OKC would be around 15 under still and would would be at around 7 under and still have Ben and kosta. In fact we could throw in Ben and we would be 12 under and OKC at 11 under.
 
Payne is going to be good. I don't know what universe you guys are living in, but a 1 year rental of a 30yearold Gay is not going to get us a very good PG...
Gay is 29 not 30, and a 18-20ppg career scorer on 13 million a year with an expiring contract when the cap goes up to 110 is indeed enticing. That's my universe.
 

Jimmer is available.....

It's just summerleague, but boy did he look good.. I think jimmer should get 1 more shot at the NBA. He's a hardworker, but unfortunately wasn't blessed with any athleticism. He could make so much money playing overseas right now. I wonder if this is his last go for the NBA before he takes that overseas option.
 

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Jimmer is available.....

It's just summerleague, but boy did he look good.. I think jimmer should get 1 more shot at the NBA. He's a hardworker, but unfortunately wasn't blessed with any athleticism. He could make so much money playing overseas right now. I wonder if this is his last go for the NBA before he takes that overseas option.
Famous last words.
 
Gay is 29 not 30, and a 18-20ppg career scorer on 13 million a year with an expiring contract when the cap goes up to 110 is indeed enticing. That's my universe.
Gay turns 30 in August. No one is going to trade a top 15PG for Rudy Gay on his final year. The guy is at his peak right now. Getting someone like Payne would be great value. He's young and ready to breakout, but I don't think OKC will include him.

I don't know about you...but most of OKC's draftees have been pretty good... James Harden and somebody named Reggie Jackson who 99% of this board didn't want for whatever reason.
 
Oh and according to their SB Nation Website the Pellicans don't even have the cap space to sign all the players they agreed with and Tyreke could be moved:

New Orleans does not have enough cap room to do all the things they have promised to do. Strange, I know. That does not mean they lack the capacity to create the necessary room, only that they have yet to take the steps to create room. With all of the current Pelicans obligations they are currently about $1.5 million over the salary cap. Since all of their signings must be done with cap space sacrifices must be made.
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New Orleans has six guards under contract; Jrue Holiday, Buddy Hield, Langston Galloway (pending), E'Twaun Moore (pending), Toney Douglas (non-guaranteed), and Tyreke Evans. Additionally they would like to retain Tim Frazier, or they would have rescinded his qualifying offer already as they did Jeff Withey last summer.

Seven guards is too many. Holiday is clearly a part of their long term plans if you listen to Demps or Gentry talk. Hield, Galloway, and Moore have recently be added to the roster. Douglas, the easiest target to move to make transactions easier, has not been waived. Tyreke Evans is the most likely candidate to be moved. Trading away Tyreke's $10.2 million on the salary cap makes all the remaining transactions easy, including re-signing Tim Frazier.
http://www.thebirdwrites.com/2016/7...e-tyreke-evans-pelicans-working-against-clock
 
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Payne is going to be good. I don't know what universe you guys are living in, but a 1 year rental of a 30yearold Gay is not going to get us a very good PG...
I don't think anyone is doubting Payne's ability, more so Gay has more value. He is our number 1 trading piece, if we deal him we need to get a starter back IMO. If we trade him for a bench player then we gave up a top 40 player with a very friendly salary for not the same value in return.
 
So if Pelicans need to trade Tyreke to save cap space and Tyreke is at 10.2 mil I would think Gay's 13 mil would not save them any cap
What about Koufos 8 mil is that close enough to make trade, save Pels 2 mil to take care of promises?
 
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So if Pelicans need to trade Tyreke to save cap space and Tyreke is at 10.2 mil I would think Gay's 13 mil would not save them any cap
What about Koufos 8 mil is that close enough to make trade, save Pels 2 mil to take care of promises?
I am not against the idea, but what is the appeal of trading for Tyreke? Didn't he have issues with Cousins which lead to him being let go to start? I had heard that a few times. Also, he never plays a full season due to health.
 
I guess my other question is If we take on salary in a Koufos/Evans trade can we go over the cap to sign our 4 Draft picks? Or would we need to trade Ben to a team with cap space for a Pick first?
to get more Cap for the Evans/Koufos trade
 
So if Pelicans need to trade Tyreke to save cap space and Tyreke is at 10.2 mil I would think Gay's 13 mil would not save them any cap
What about Koufos 8 mil is that close enough to make trade, save Pels 2 mil to take care of promises?
You can go in a lot of directions here:

Koufos for Reke straight up, saves them about 2 mil
Koufos for Reke and Douglas, saves them about 3 mil
Koufos and Mclemore for Reke, Douglas and Ajinca, saves them about 4 mil
Rudy for Reke and Ajinca, saves them about 1.5 mil
Etc.
But we're capped out ourselves so it's not that easy. We might have to involve a third team
 
Anybody know the source of those rumors? I.e. is that just some fan saying, "you know, the Thunder need to replace Durant and the Kings are going defensive..." or was this a media source (with or without credibility)?


http://en.yibada.com/articles/13952...-gay-okc-thunder-kevin-durant-replacement.htm

Nothing concrete in the least just rumblings more or less along the lines of fans like ourselves, but hey at least we are not the only one contemplating the idea :)
 
You can go in a lot of directions here:

Koufos for Reke straight up, saves them about 2 mil
Koufos for Reke and Douglas, saves them about 3 mil
Koufos and Mclemore for Reke, Douglas and Ajinca, saves them about 4 mil
Rudy for Reke and Ajinca, saves them about 1.5 mil
Etc.
But we're capped out ourselves so it's not that easy. We might have to involve a third team
I feel like we would be trading for trading sake in that scenario. I don't really think we would be improving. I honestly think Gay is better than Reke and fits better. Mclemore has more upside than Douglas. Koufas is better than Ajinca. I don't like it.
 
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Gay turns 30 in August. No one is going to trade a top 15PG for Rudy Gay on his final year. The guy is at his peak right now. Getting someone like Payne would be great value. He's young and ready to breakout, but I don't think OKC will include him.

I don't know about you...but most of OKC's draftees have been pretty good... James Harden and somebody named Reggie Jackson who 99% of this board didn't want for whatever reason.
What in the world makes you think Payne is going to break out? Also, most of the okc roster is at their peak too and 30 is not that old.
 
A little side topic but can you imagine how bad it sucks to be Billy Donovan? Leave a great job at Florida thinking you have a shot at an NBA title then boom
Yeah you have to feel for him and OKC in general. It seemed they have finally got the monkey off their back when they were up 3-1 in that series and just choked. We all know what happened after that...
 
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Yeah you have to feel for him and OKC in general. It seemed they have finally got the monkey off their back when they were up 3-1 in that series and just choked. We all know what happened after that...
I know the topic has been beat to death but it was a weak move by Durant. At some point you gotta man up and get it done. As much as I dislike Kobe, at least he stayed with the Lakers regardless of their record. They were good, then bad, then good, then bad but he never left. He played with some of the best and some of the worst.
 
I am not against the idea, but what is the appeal of trading for Tyreke? Didn't he have issues with Cousins which lead to him being let go to start? I had heard that a few times. Also, he never plays a full season due to health.
We need another PG badly. We can't sign anyone because we have no cap space. There are not that many realistic trade options.
I guess the idea is that Reke could start at PG until Collison is back. Then you can stagger their minutes so that one of them anchers the bench as the top scoring option. We need bench scoring as well. And even if he misses some time because of injuries we are still competitive with Collison-Afflalo-Casspi-Willie-Cousins. And if it really does not work out we can just let him walk after the season.
 
You can go in a lot of directions here:

Koufos for Reke straight up, saves them about 2 mil
Koufos for Reke and Douglas, saves them about 3 mil
Koufos and Mclemore for Reke, Douglas and Ajinca, saves them about 4 mil
Rudy for Reke and Ajinca, saves them about 1.5 mil
Etc.
But we're capped out ourselves so it's not that easy. We might have to involve a third team
So we need a third team with cap to take Ben's 4 mil for a pick to make three of the 4 options work any of the above work
 
I know the topic has been beat to death but it was a weak move by Durant. At some point you gotta man up and get it done. As much as I dislike Kobe, at least he stayed with the Lakers regardless of their record. They were good, then bad, then good, then bad but he never left. He played with some of the best and some of the worst.
Cowardly is the term I used previously. Maybe too harsh, but it is how I feel about it.
 
So we need a third team with cap to take Ben's 4 mil for a pick to make three of the 4 options work any of the above work
Not necessarily. We can take 125% of the outgoing salary + 100,000 back

So for example lets say Rudy makes 13,333,333. Then we can take back a salary of 13,333,333 *1.25 + 100,000 = 16,766,666. So for example we could take back Reke, Ajinca and Douglas.
Note more over that we can exceed the number of 15 players under contract during the summer.