Atlanta only want to trade Millsap, if Horford signs with them. That means they can't take any salary back, maybe couple of millions.
Edit: called for Afflalo in the current market with Waiters looming (yuck!), so, I guess, I'm fine with this signing.
At least one of the sides has option for that second year, hopefully Kings kept their flexibility for next summer.
Edit: called for Afflalo in the current market with Waiters looming (yuck!), so, I guess, I'm fine with this signing.
At least one of the sides has option for that second year, hopefully Kings kept their flexibility for next summer.
Arron Afflalo on a two year deal worth $25 million is probably as good as we are going to get at this point. He is still a capable shooter and should offer us solid production on the offensive end. However, his defense has certainly taken a backward step in recent seasons and he continues to live on his past reputation. I remember reading a stat from last season in which Afflalo allows opponents to shoot a higher conversion rate than their season average. So as a defensive player he is not someone to be relied upon unless he manages to re-find his former defensive prowess. Perhaps Joerger can do that for him. But if he plays for us like he did for the Knicks, he is going to put up solid numbers offensively, but is not going to offer much on the defensive end.
I'd rather have Crabbe too, but timing is important. Signing an UFA is a done deal, signing a RFA ties up your cap space for three days once the moratorium ends on the 7th....over those 72 hours the UFA could choose to go elsewhere, the team could match on your RFA and you are screwed as the free agent crop dries up.
Now Crabbe is SG/SF, so I would not just rule him out yet as possibility in a S&T (Rudy, Koufos, Ben). The Blazers spending $70M on Evan Turner makes retaining Crabbe less of a priority (or decreases the price they are willing to pay). Their PG, SG SF is set with Dame, McCollum and Turner. Not sure they want to shell out $70M for Crabbe. They might like Ben or Rudy as a cheaper back-up. Per Bobby Marks, we still have $20M in salary space less Rondo. Hopefully this money will go to Ryan Anderson. Then it is time to see what we can get for our three trade chips (Rudy, Ben Koufos), to upgrade at PG and maybe Nab a Crab.
Now Crabbe is SG/SF, so I would not just rule him out yet as possibility in a S&T (Rudy, Koufos, Ben). The Blazers spending $70M on Evan Turner makes retaining Crabbe less of a priority (or decreases the price they are willing to pay). Their PG, SG SF is set with Dame, McCollum and Turner. Not sure they want to shell out $70M for Crabbe. They might like Ben or Rudy as a cheaper back-up. Per Bobby Marks, we still have $20M in salary space less Rondo. Hopefully this money will go to Ryan Anderson. Then it is time to see what we can get for our three trade chips (Rudy, Ben Koufos), to upgrade at PG and maybe Nab a Crab.
Afflalo is a solid signing at an appropriate price for this offseason.
It also tells me that Vlade probably believed that Lee and Crabbe weren't realistic options because either they weren't interested in the Kings, would cost more than Divac was comfortable giving them or in Crabbe's case that Portland would match.
Afflalo, Anderson and Curry would be a solid free agent period and would likely fit under the cap.
It also tells me that Vlade probably believed that Lee and Crabbe weren't realistic options because either they weren't interested in the Kings, would cost more than Divac was comfortable giving them or in Crabbe's case that Portland would match.
Afflalo, Anderson and Curry would be a solid free agent period and would likely fit under the cap.
Afflalo is an upgrade for our SG position this year.
It's a 2 year deal which means that in our FO's eyes he is probably a stop-gap till Bogdan comes next year...and can perhaps still be the starting SG until Bogdan (hopefully) acclimates.
The price-tag is definitely a reasonable one considering what we have been seeing of late.
Much like the Marco additional last year...on paper this is another great move by Vlade. Hopefully we'll have dramatically better results on the floor.
I also appreciate how there was no chatter about this deal...so it makes me wonder what else might be in the works.
It's a 2 year deal which means that in our FO's eyes he is probably a stop-gap till Bogdan comes next year...and can perhaps still be the starting SG until Bogdan (hopefully) acclimates.
The price-tag is definitely a reasonable one considering what we have been seeing of late.
Much like the Marco additional last year...on paper this is another great move by Vlade. Hopefully we'll have dramatically better results on the floor.
I also appreciate how there was no chatter about this deal...so it makes me wonder what else might be in the works.
I don't like Afflalo because I don't think he's a good roster fit. While he's a great shooter, he also likes to post up a bit and takes low % shots. He loves taking post fadeaways that don't go in very often. He was very selfish last year with the Knicks. He loves to go into isos that kill drives. His game excels when he can be a ball handler. That doesn't bod well with Gay and Cousins.
His defense is terrible now too.
I think people forget that he's not the same player who scored 18ppg in Orlando. He's dropped off A LOT.
Not a fan of this signing.
His defense is terrible now too.
I think people forget that he's not the same player who scored 18ppg in Orlando. He's dropped off A LOT.
Not a fan of this signing.
Indeed, I don't see them winning very many games next season. But if they do see growth from their young players like Russell, Clarkson, Randle, Nance, and Ingram; and their veteran additions and players put in solid performances; they could end up playing themselves out of their first round draft pick because currently I'd say they are in the same tier as the 76ers, Nets, and Suns. If the Mavericks poor off season continues they'll be added to that group. So while I don't expect a .500 season from them, a 25 to 30 win season could see them decrease their odds of keeping that first round pick and sending it to the 76ers if it falls outside the top three.
I guess they wouldn't be too fussed about losing a draft pick if they do end up seeing significant progress from their young players and their veterans play well to get them to 30 wins or so, because they can sell that improvement in free agency next year. Overall, I think Deng and Mozgov are solid additions to their roster at current market value, but I don't see them being anything more than a 20 to 30 win team next season.
I guess they wouldn't be too fussed about losing a draft pick if they do end up seeing significant progress from their young players and their veterans play well to get them to 30 wins or so, because they can sell that improvement in free agency next year. Overall, I think Deng and Mozgov are solid additions to their roster at current market value, but I don't see them being anything more than a 20 to 30 win team next season.
Few things.
We didn't drop a massive deal on Waiters. Ben isn't starting next year.
It's a reasonable contract. I'd be up in arms if we gave Afflalo 4 years. But 2 years is very manageable and fits with the Cousins timeline (where we aren't stuck with an ancient Afflalo if he leaves)
- I'm not putting much stock into what happened last year with NYK. They were an absolute crap-storm on both ends with horrible coaching. I don't expect Orlando or Denver Afflalo, but I think DJ can reign him in
We didn't drop a massive deal on Waiters. Ben isn't starting next year.
It's a reasonable contract. I'd be up in arms if we gave Afflalo 4 years. But 2 years is very manageable and fits with the Cousins timeline (where we aren't stuck with an ancient Afflalo if he leaves)
- I'm not putting much stock into what happened last year with NYK. They were an absolute crap-storm on both ends with horrible coaching. I don't expect Orlando or Denver Afflalo, but I think DJ can reign him in
Orlando have agreed a 4 year contract with Biyombo. Not seen any numbers mentioned, but I can't wait to see how much they have paid for his play off exploits, I suspect it will be a pretty big figure...
We can still get Waiters. Can't rule him out yet.
Afflalo was pretty bad with Denver/Portland too. I remember lots of Blazers fans upset at his defense last year.
I don't think he's a good fit. He's not a good player anymore. His defense is almost Belinelli bad. He takes a lot of shots too. Last year, he was constantly trying to get his own shots in and killing offensive drives. Porzingis would be 3/3 on a hot streak, and he'll decide that it's his turn, and put up a terrible iso shot. Lots of Knicks fans got fed up with his play. It's no surprise that the Knicks really need a SG, and they decided not to pursue Afflalo anymore.
Afflalo was pretty bad with Denver/Portland too. I remember lots of Blazers fans upset at his defense last year.
I don't think he's a good fit. He's not a good player anymore. His defense is almost Belinelli bad. He takes a lot of shots too. Last year, he was constantly trying to get his own shots in and killing offensive drives. Porzingis would be 3/3 on a hot streak, and he'll decide that it's his turn, and put up a terrible iso shot. Lots of Knicks fans got fed up with his play. It's no surprise that the Knicks really need a SG, and they decided not to pursue Afflalo anymore.
I can't see Orlando doing that to be honest...
Gordon is still a developing player who can play SF or PF and provide them with athleticism, defense, and dunking ability off the bench. He still has a lot of upside and with coaching and development, he could succeed Jeff Green who strikes me as a stop gap signing or at best on a prove it deal.
Hezonja is another high draft pick with a lot of potential. He can shoot the ball pretty well even if his rookie numbers don't jump out. He can slot in at SG or SF depending on what they want to do. I doubt they give up a shooter with this potential when you consider some of their options.
They will keep them. I think the most likely player they will deal is Vucevic, unless they have got Biyombo on a team friendly deal to come off the bench. If they've paid him big bucks he will start next to Ibaka, so they will probably try to flip Vucevic for an upgrade at the PG position. I doubt they would want McLemore when they have got Fournier, Hezonja, and Meeks at SG; or Gay for SF when they have Green, Fournier, Hezonja, and Gordon. Ok, Gay is nearly a 20 ppg player, but his questionable defense might not make him the greatest fit for someone like Vogel who preaches defense.
Gordon is still a developing player who can play SF or PF and provide them with athleticism, defense, and dunking ability off the bench. He still has a lot of upside and with coaching and development, he could succeed Jeff Green who strikes me as a stop gap signing or at best on a prove it deal.
Hezonja is another high draft pick with a lot of potential. He can shoot the ball pretty well even if his rookie numbers don't jump out. He can slot in at SG or SF depending on what they want to do. I doubt they give up a shooter with this potential when you consider some of their options.
They will keep them. I think the most likely player they will deal is Vucevic, unless they have got Biyombo on a team friendly deal to come off the bench. If they've paid him big bucks he will start next to Ibaka, so they will probably try to flip Vucevic for an upgrade at the PG position. I doubt they would want McLemore when they have got Fournier, Hezonja, and Meeks at SG; or Gay for SF when they have Green, Fournier, Hezonja, and Gordon. Ok, Gay is nearly a 20 ppg player, but his questionable defense might not make him the greatest fit for someone like Vogel who preaches defense.
I hear what you're saying, but I think the logic is that we have a hole at sg, but our starter may be coming over from Europe next year. So instead of tossing 15-20 mill a year on a young potential starter, we get a vet stopgap with loads of experience. I think our core 2 needs this offseason are perimeter shooting and perimeter defense. He may not solve both of those problems, but he can shoot at a decent clip and may be able to defend under DJ, and he's on a pretty reasonable, short term contract. It's maybe not a game changing signing, but i think it puts us in a good position to compete this year while we let our Euro prospect ball his heart out over seas, and probably take the reins next year.
I was hopeful for Crabbe, but also a little weary as we were kind of banking on him taking a step forward in the future, which is quite a risk for the amount of money he wants.
I was hopeful for Crabbe, but also a little weary as we were kind of banking on him taking a step forward in the future, which is quite a risk for the amount of money he wants.
Payton / Augustin / Watson / Napier
Fournier / Meeks / Marble
Green / Hezonja
Ibaka / Gordon
Vucevic / Biyombo / Dedmon / Zimmerman
There's talent and experience on that roster. They need to fill out the SF and PF position, and perhaps consider upgrading their PG position, but overall they have a good combination of young talent and experience on that roster. Plus, a good head coach who can get the best out of them. The defense should be very good, though offensively they are going to need to be smart otherwise it could struggle if they feature some lacklustre shooting in their line ups. That said, I fancy them to make the play offs in the east this season if all goes well.
Fournier / Meeks / Marble
Green / Hezonja
Ibaka / Gordon
Vucevic / Biyombo / Dedmon / Zimmerman
There's talent and experience on that roster. They need to fill out the SF and PF position, and perhaps consider upgrading their PG position, but overall they have a good combination of young talent and experience on that roster. Plus, a good head coach who can get the best out of them. The defense should be very good, though offensively they are going to need to be smart otherwise it could struggle if they feature some lacklustre shooting in their line ups. That said, I fancy them to make the play offs in the east this season if all goes well.
He only took 11 shots a game last season.... his %'s are decent from the 2 and 3 spots. I live in NY and I've seen plenty of games myself, he's really not that bad.
Win shares:
- Ben: 0.3
- Afflalo: 2.7
There's a bunch of other stats here that show the improvements we will have at the SG spot:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mclembe01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/afflaar01.html
I'm just happy I don't have to see Ben starting and sucking. 3 years of that is enough.
Win shares:
- Ben: 0.3
- Afflalo: 2.7
There's a bunch of other stats here that show the improvements we will have at the SG spot:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mclembe01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/afflaar01.html
I'm just happy I don't have to see Ben starting and sucking. 3 years of that is enough.
No I get it. Basically the reason I'm "meh" on this deal as opposed to not liking it is the contract. We aren't committing a massive deal to Lee, who's on the downslide of his career. We aren't committing a massive deal to Crabbe, who we would have had to pay a good chunk of change to find out who he is as a player. And yea Waiters isn't out yet, but this makes it far less likely.
