Showtime
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DMC also has a lot more turnovers and misses off his dribble drives than his traditional back to basket moves. Its overall better to have him back his man down rather than face up and drive.
Forget the Drama -- Going Forward What Do We Need To Make A Run?
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Glenn
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1 TO tonight.
Kingsgurl
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You totally lost me when you said he has poor BBall IQ. It makes it hard to take the rest of anything you say seriously.
Blob
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Ben playing like he did tonight changes the dynamic of the team. We need another wing who can be legitimate threat. He looked like a real NBA player for the first time this season. I have been critical of Karl but I totally support him bring Ben off the bench to help him get his confidence back against second tier opponents.
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Cousins' game is driving to the hoop or the long shot
I loved how they played him as a passer at the high posts... Kind of like how Blake does with the Clippers
No center in the league is simply quick and strong enough to cover Cousins driving to the hoop... Drummond just bounced right off of him... His ability to get to the foul line from those drives is essential
I loved how they played him as a passer at the high posts... Kind of like how Blake does with the Clippers
No center in the league is simply quick and strong enough to cover Cousins driving to the hoop... Drummond just bounced right off of him... His ability to get to the foul line from those drives is essential
Well, they need to keep doing what they're doing and get some guys back healthy.
I think the focus has to be on defense. It feels like the team decided on a pace* they're more comfortable with. They need Ben or Anderson to solidify themselves as the starter. I thought they needed a stretch four, but Cousins is making me strangely accept this 3pt thing.
Also, Cousins was lagging behind the whole game. I know he put up 40, but he is walking up the court too much. I don't know if it's the week off or what, but he didn't do that with Malone and he really can't be doing it here. Rondo has been urging him to push, so they can get into quick pick n rolls.
Finally, they have to play this well on the road. They've had a lot of home games against good teams. They have beaten the bad teams, but they are going to face a road trip soon with Atlanta and Miami on the schedule. Those are good teams in party cities. That's normally a bad combo for teams.
*pace: I watched the Nets YES broadcast because they have a good crew. Ian (I think, but sounded different) asked Fratello about a time he coached a team that opened up 1-5 and then went on to the playoffs. He asked him what happened. Mike said that the team had a very long meeting after the 5th loss and that he told them that he thought there was a way they could win, but they had to change their style. They were trying to be like the rest of the league and run it up, but he told them if they slow it down and commit to defense they could win and then the players had their meeting to discuss it. The team came back out and decided to go that route. They lost a couple more close games and then things turned.
I think the focus has to be on defense. It feels like the team decided on a pace* they're more comfortable with. They need Ben or Anderson to solidify themselves as the starter. I thought they needed a stretch four, but Cousins is making me strangely accept this 3pt thing.
Also, Cousins was lagging behind the whole game. I know he put up 40, but he is walking up the court too much. I don't know if it's the week off or what, but he didn't do that with Malone and he really can't be doing it here. Rondo has been urging him to push, so they can get into quick pick n rolls.
Finally, they have to play this well on the road. They've had a lot of home games against good teams. They have beaten the bad teams, but they are going to face a road trip soon with Atlanta and Miami on the schedule. Those are good teams in party cities. That's normally a bad combo for teams.
*pace: I watched the Nets YES broadcast because they have a good crew. Ian (I think, but sounded different) asked Fratello about a time he coached a team that opened up 1-5 and then went on to the playoffs. He asked him what happened. Mike said that the team had a very long meeting after the 5th loss and that he told them that he thought there was a way they could win, but they had to change their style. They were trying to be like the rest of the league and run it up, but he told them if they slow it down and commit to defense they could win and then the players had their meeting to discuss it. The team came back out and decided to go that route. They lost a couple more close games and then things turned.
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this is really it. We need to stay the course. Karl needs to ride boogie and not enable him but ride him, there is a strong difference, you need to keep pushing him to be better which is what malone did dam well. No stupid fouls, theres always room for improvement. Ride him George and keep emphasising defence first.
You know what. Theres dam well games we shouldnt win, but theres games we should. And this was one of them. We must keep wininig games through Nov whilst bridging the gap in those games no one gives us a chance. If we can steal a few then we all know we are ready for the promised land.
All of us know it wouldnt take a great deal to get here, the whole nations about to dam well find out we can ball. Must stay the course though. Dont under estimate momentum.
Go hard boogie. Get better rudy. Rest up rajon.
Blob
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Let it be noted Karl wanted Boogie suspended for this game (40/13) and last (33/9). We would be 1-9 instead of 3-7 and all hell would be breaking loose if Karl got his way. I guess I am not so much interested in coming down on coach as crediting the GM for restoring degree of stability.
Regarding Rondo, I was wrong. He's good.
When I started to alter assessment was vs Dubs when he chased Curry through picks and tracked him everywhere without much separation. This showed to me his athleticism was back. Two years post ACL is typical recovery time for serious injury and this is reflected in his steals per game. (2.2 SPG , 9th in NBA)
His game vs. DET was NOT an A. (5-16 FGs). It was more like a B+ for me. His game vs. BKN was an A. (10-19 FGs). The stats I like to monitor re: Rondo is more points than FGAs and steals. Last night 23 points on 19 shots is third time in 10 games than points > FGAs.
The other good news is synergy developing between Rondo and Cousins and Boogie's expanded range creating more space for all. Rondo may get more open shots than ANY player in the league this year b/c: (1) Opponents dare him to shoot (2) He has the athleticism and handles to get to spots he wants (3) Cousins draws so much attention, not just 18 feet an in, but 23 feet and in.
Regarding Rondo, I was wrong. He's good.
When I started to alter assessment was vs Dubs when he chased Curry through picks and tracked him everywhere without much separation. This showed to me his athleticism was back. Two years post ACL is typical recovery time for serious injury and this is reflected in his steals per game. (2.2 SPG , 9th in NBA)His game vs. DET was NOT an A. (5-16 FGs). It was more like a B+ for me. His game vs. BKN was an A. (10-19 FGs). The stats I like to monitor re: Rondo is more points than FGAs and steals. Last night 23 points on 19 shots is third time in 10 games than points > FGAs.
The other good news is synergy developing between Rondo and Cousins and Boogie's expanded range creating more space for all. Rondo may get more open shots than ANY player in the league this year b/c: (1) Opponents dare him to shoot (2) He has the athleticism and handles to get to spots he wants (3) Cousins draws so much attention, not just 18 feet an in, but 23 feet and in.
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gunks
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What I find amusing....
People are complaining slightly less about Cuz shooting 3s now that he's starting to hit them with regularity.
In my heart of hearts, I'm hoping that whoever we get to coach post-Karl (when he is fired, or otherwise) gets Cuz back into the post.
But for now, and if we keep winning, I will continue to enjoy the exploits of our 6'11 270 Harden clone.
People are complaining slightly less about Cuz shooting 3s now that he's starting to hit them with regularity.
In my heart of hearts, I'm hoping that whoever we get to coach post-Karl (when he is fired, or otherwise) gets Cuz back into the post.
But for now, and if we keep winning, I will continue to enjoy the exploits of our 6'11 270 Harden clone.
What I find amusing....
People are complaining slightly less about Cuz shooting 3s now that he's starting to hit them with regularity.
In my heart of hearts, I'm hoping that whoever we get to coach post-Karl (when he is fired, or otherwise) gets Cuz back into the post.
But for now, and if we keep winning, I will continue to enjoy the exploits of our 6'11 270 Harden clone.
The point about Cousins hitting 3s is that it creates even more of a nightmare for the opposing team. And I'm good with that.
Bricklayer
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What I find amusing....
People are complaining slightly less about Cuz shooting 3s now that he's starting to hit them with regularity.
In my heart of hearts, I'm hoping that whoever we get to coach post-Karl (when he is fired, or otherwise) gets Cuz back into the post.
But for now, and if we keep winning, I will continue to enjoy the exploits of our 6'11 270 Harden clone.
He's shooting 44% from out there. Until that settles back you can't really go too hard at it. If he wants to shoot 44% for the full season, then he is the greatest big man shooter of all time -- Dirk topped out at 42%.
Actually I say Dirk topped out at 42%, but that's full season. Like Cuz, Dirk is shooting 50% from 3pt land right now.
Showtime
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I know this site is full of fans, but it doesn't mean one can be objective. The guy makes a ton of bonehead decisions every game and makes rookie mistakes. His most common ones are putting himself in a position for easy, unforced turnovers or very poor % shot.
Fans on a fan site? Who wudda thunk it?
I'm guessing there's a typo in that first sentence and you meant "...but it doesn't mean one can't be objective." I'm also guessing that you haven't spent much time reading all the comments about Demarcus Cousins, since there are TONS of people who are still critical of him.
I think the biggest bonehead mistake being made is yours - and all those who want to reduce DMC to a stereotype. It can't be done.
Is he perfect? No. Is there room for improvement. Oh hell yes. And what happens when he makes those improvements? Check my signature...and be prepared for a night of fine dining on crow.
gunks
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And there it is. Even Bricklayer is down with the Cuz 3s. That HAS to be a sign of the apocalypse, right?!
It is interesting how lights out Cuz has been the past couple games. It is bound to come back down a bit, but I'm curious what he'll end the season at from out there, as far as percentages go.
Showtime
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I'm not reducing him to anything other than what he is. When talking about negatives it isn't outrageous to suggest his emotion on the court is often a detriment to his personal play, and thus the team's success. "Well, it is who he is, he's an emotional guy". Well, that's all well and good, but then don't turn around and say it isn't a factor. The guy can implode and take the entire team with him and that's a threat on a nightly basis. Calling a spade a spade shouldn't be "stereotyping".Fans on a fan site? Who wudda thunk it?
I'm guessing there's a typo in that first sentence and you meant "...but it doesn't mean one can't be objective." I'm also guessing that you haven't spent much time reading all the comments about Demarcus Cousins, since there are TONS of people who are still critical of him.
I think the biggest bonehead mistake being made is yours - and all those who want to reduce DMC to a stereotype. It can't be done.
Is he perfect? No. Is there room for improvement. Oh hell yes. And what happens when he makes those improvements? Check my signature...and be prepared for a night of fine dining on crow.
This applies to other discussions about his play that I was talking about in my previous post: if he's going from a balanced C who can knock down the mid range jumper and drive when he has the advantage, but does a lot of work on the block vs a primarily face-up C who shoots 4 or 5 3FGA a game, then that's not using him to his full potential and value to the team and should be considered when discussing the future of the franchise. If this is DMC 3.0, then yes I think it is time to evaluate the future without him.
Also, about my comments regarding his IQ, he DOES indeed make silly basketball DECISIONS about when to do what that often results in a poor shot or TO. He has improved a lot in his career, but he still tries to force things and makes some poor decisions.
He's also the league's best post player IMO and best C in the league, so I don't see what all the fuss is about when talking about a player's strengths and weaknesses. It is the people who are unable to accept any criticism whatsoever or question his value overall to a team that should be unacceptable. And yes, that was a typo in my previous post.
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Bricklayer
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And there it is. Even Bricklayer is down with the Cuz 3s. That HAS to be a sign of the apocalypse, right?!
It is interesting how lights out Cuz has been the past couple games. It is bound to come back down a bit, but I'm curious what he'll end the season at from out there, as far as percentages go.
Down with is too strong. That implies I like the act. I do not.
I'm merely reasonable enough to acknowledge that anybody who can shoot 44% from 3pt land is difficult to assail on that front so long as the est of his game is not being sacrificed.
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CuzitskiWhat I find amusing....
People are complaining slightly less about Cuz shooting 3s now that he's starting to hit them with regularity.
In my heart of hearts, I'm hoping that whoever we get to coach post-Karl (when he is fired, or otherwise) gets Cuz back into the post.
But for now, and if we keep winning, I will continue to enjoy the exploits of our 6'11 270 Harden clone.
kingsboi
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What I find amusing....
People are complaining slightly less about Cuz shooting 3s now that he's starting to hit them with regularity.
In my heart of hearts, I'm hoping that whoever we get to coach post-Karl (when he is fired, or otherwise) gets Cuz back into the post.
But for now, and if we keep winning, I will continue to enjoy the exploits of our 6'11 270 Harden clone.
The only reason people are complaining less about the three's is because I think we have come to accept that this is the Cousins we will be seeing for the season, where even if he is making them, he doesn't belong out there.
kingsboi
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What Cousins has been doing in all these games is starting the game early with a couple of three's and then as the game progresses he takes less three's and starts going in the post because the opponent has to respect the shot even if they want him shooting those out there.
You actually made the best argument against your own comment in successive posts. Nice going.
Bricklayer
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As I've been mentioning in the grades threads, we are still right online for my predictions thus far -- I predicted a 2-3 roadtrip as we began to wake up. Now to stay on target and hit my prediction of 8-11 it was beat Minny, lose GS, beat Dal. If Boogie is healthy, all possible.
After Saturday's game I'll put up a new one of these for December. Some tough games there, but again assuming we have Boogie I thought we could play them at a little better than .500, and hence be ready for my January 7th .500 game vs. the Lakers.
Its not explosive run straight to the top stuff, but given our start, good enough. You can just feel we have the talent this time. We are in everything. We just need the big guy healthy, to work out some kinks, and for the coaching staff to cooperate. But we can still get into the thick of things, especially since abruptly the whole Western Conference has fallen down into a "thick of things" mass. Everything from #4 on down appears to be legitimately in play.
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