For Kings Statisticians

[KingKong]

http://www.nba.com/kings/news/notes.pdf

I found this to be extremely interesting. It's pretty much a statistical breakdown of the entire season for the Kings, everything leading up to our next game against Dallas. Want to know what there Gold Uni record is? Want to know where the Arco sellout streak is at? Individual stats? Pre- Artest, post Artest, injuries, buzzer beaters.... it's all there. Check it out.

 

[treewoman]

Thanks that was really cool

 

[Revrag]

Now we know where Grant gets all his "The Kings are X and Y when trailing after 3 quarters" stuff.

One interesting stat:
Kings Record:
With Peja: 11 - 20
Without Peja or Artest: 7 - 4
With Artest: 20 - 12

Our win percentage is almost exactly the same rather it's without both or with just Artest. Based on those numbers alone it appears the subtraction of Peja was more of a factor than the addition of Artest in our turn around. Of course theres more to it than that (quality of opponents, home vs road games, etc) but it just jumped out at me.

 

[vj9999]

I don't care about Peja anymore. Nobodys numbers were impresive in the first half.

What's more interesting to me is:
With Kevin in starting lineup: 23-18
With Bonzi in starting lineup: 15-18

 

[bigbadred00]

Now we know where Grant gets all his "The Kings are X and Y when trailing after 3 quarters" stuff.

One interesting stat:
Kings Record:
With Peja: 11 - 20
Without Peja or Artest: 7 - 4
With Artest: 20 - 12

Our win percentage is almost exactly the same rather it's without both or with just Artest. Based on those numbers alone it appears the subtraction of Peja was more of a factor than the addition of Artest in our turn around. Of course theres more to it than that (quality of opponents, home vs road games, etc) but it just jumped out at me.

We lost to some really bad teams in the first half of the year. I said it the day of the trade, we were better without Peja because Peja wasn't giving his 100%. With Martin and Garcia who aren't nearly as talented we were winning. Maybe the 7-4 is a small sample but still, we were playing horrible ball with Peja. The Peja led Indy team is now under 500. They have so many injuries right now. Jermaine actually made them worse when he came back.

 

[Revrag]

I don't care about Peja anymore. Nobodys numbers were impresive in the first half.

What's more interesting to me is:
With Kevin in starting lineup: 23-18
With Bonzi in starting lineup: 15-18

Or you could look at it as:
Artest/Martin: 15 - 9
Artest/Bonzi: 5 - 3

Peja/Martin: 3 - 6
Peja/Bonzi: 8 -14

Again Martin/Bonzi don't appear to be the factor here.

 

[vj9999]

We lost to some really bad teams in the first half of the year. I said it the day of the trade, we were better without Peja because Peja wasn't giving his 100%. With Martin and Garcia who aren't nearly as talented we were winning. Maybe the 7-4 is a small sample but still, we were playing horrible ball with Peja. The Peja led Indy team is now under 500. They have so many injuries right now. Jermaine actually made them worse when he came back.

I'm going to burn my Peja jersey right now. Peja led Indy team? Peja never asserted him self as a leader. He has produced above expected numbers since the trade. Peja is not the reason Pacers are under .500 .

 

[vj9999]

Or you could look at it as:
Artest/Martin: 15 - 9
Artest/Bonzi: 5 - 3

Peja/Martin: 3 - 6
Peja/Bonzi: 8 -14

Again Martin/Bonzi don't appear to be the factor here.

In my opinion, the easiest cop out is to blame the whole first half on Peja. The whole team sucked! With or without him.

If anything that the team benefited from is gain of Artest and not loss of Peja. We needed a collective kick in the butt on our defense to turn things around. Insert any other player and we keep sucking on defense and in general.

Artest is the only factor there.

 

[KingCookie]

Very interesting...have they been doing that for every game? I've never seen it before. I love that stuff, thanks a lot.

 

[VF21]

In my opinion, the easiest cop out is to blame the whole first half on Peja. The whole team sucked! With or without him.

If anything that the team benefited from is gain of Artest and not loss of Peja. We needed a collective kick in the butt on our defense to turn things around. Insert any other player and we keep sucking on defense and in general.

Artest is the only factor there.

I don't think it's necessarily a cop out to blame Peja. It's looking more and more like he was phoning it in here, that he was CLEARLY not happy and finding any/every reason to stay off the court.

Being able to make the trade has been huge for both players. I'm not saying we would have turned around without the trade, but I think it's becoming more and more obvious we would not have gone anywhere with Peja.

Players change, situations change, emotions change, dynamics change. I'm not saying nor would I ever say or believe that Peja did anything intentionally to undercut the Kings. What I firmly believe, however, is that his heart left with Vlade and the Webber-Peja thing was the catalyst for everything to come.

Peja's stats speak volumes, and I'm not someone who generally follows stats. The turnaround of Peja and return to his old form, however, is so clear that it seems, again IMHO, that we should just accept it and move on.

I wish him luck in Indiana or wherever else he goes.

 

[Peja]

I don't think it's necessarily a cop out to blame Peja. It's looking more and more like he was phoning it in here, that he was CLEARLY not happy and finding any/every reason to stay off the court.

Being able to make the trade has been huge for both players. I'm not saying we would have turned around without the trade, but I think it's becoming more and more obvious we would not have gone anywhere with Peja.

Players change, situations change, emotions change, dynamics change. I'm not saying nor would I ever say or believe that Peja did anything intentionally to undercut the Kings. What I firmly believe, however, is that his heart left with Vlade and the Webber-Peja thing was the catalyst for everything to come.

Peja's stats speak volumes, and I'm not someone who generally follows stats. The turnaround of Peja and return to his old form, however, is so clear that it seems, again IMHO, that we should just accept it and move on.

I wish him luck in Indiana or wherever else he goes.

And VF strikes again!Good point!

 

[Bricklayer]

Little statoid from later:

In 99-00 Reef averaged 10.1rebs.gm for the season (played all 82 games).

6 years later Reef has grabbed 10+ rebounds in a game THREE times in 05-06.

 

[Bballkingsrock]

Wow.

 

[BMiller52]

Little statoid from later:

In 99-00 Reef averaged 10.1rebs.gm for the season (played all 82 games).

6 years later Reef has grabbed 10+ rebounds in a game THREE times in 05-06.

Talk about a huge decline.