Today!!!! kings are 13
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Today!!!! kings are 13
sactowndog
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link? I am not seeing it reported anywhere.
sactowndog
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when in doubt go to ESPN…. That also means if you have an odd number of lotto combinations we get the extra one
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40001243/nba-breaks-six-ties-15-teams-june-draft
Portland making the same error with Grant we made with Barnes. Wonder if they will regret not trading Grant and not losing that one extra game?
QWERTYLICIOUS
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So, technically, the draft lottery, which will take place on May 12th, will determine where we actually end up picking in June. What today determined was which teams win the various tiebreakers amongst all of the teams (postseason and non-postseason teams). As a result of that process, it was determined that the Kings will be picking before the Warriors (as we were the winners of that tiebreaker), as long both of us do not move up into the top 4. With that being said, keep in mind that the Warriors' pick will go to Portland if it lands outside of the top 4.
If both Kings and Warriors do not move up:
13th pick: Sacramento Kings
14th pick: Portland Trail Blazers
If the Warriors move up into the lottery (i.e. top 4), they keep their pick.
The Kings and Warriors each have about a 3.6% chance of moving into the top 4 so this is one case where winning the coin flip is likely to matter more than the actual lottery. We shall see though!
Salaun is very, very, VERY raw.
He has intriguing tools and shows flashes, but IMO he's pretty far off from being a contributor in the NBA. His dribble is loose, he makes a lot of head scratching passes, he doesn't show a lot of touch near the rim, and he's not a great FT shooter, which concerns me.
Defensively he misses assignments and isn't consistent as a man defender either.
Franz was MUCH more polished coming out of Michigan, especially on the defensive end where he routinely took on the other team's best wing and rarely made mistakes.
What do we think of DaRon Holmes? Seems to fit a lot of Monte's boxes
- "older" player that's showed improvement every year
-Statistically dominant this past season.
-Added a 38% 3 ball on 2.5 3PA/game, after not previously being a spacer.
-6'10 with a 7'0 wingspan
-18.9% Ast rate this past season (up from 12.1% the previous year)
-8.7%, 6.5%, 7.2% Block rate in his college career.
-Staggering .724 FTr and a 71% FT shooter this past year. That points to real upside in his offensive profile at the next level.
The worry might be is he's a better fit at the NBA 5 than an NBA 4. Could he be that unicorn 4 defender that protects the rim? Not too sold on his lateral movement, but it's like "just" enough and he's so good at recovery he almost always finds a way to block or contest a shot. I really really like the idea of what a Keon-Keegan-Holmes 2-3-4 defensively could look like and if Holmes proves his shot is real... could be an absolute flawless fit.
- "older" player that's showed improvement every year
-Statistically dominant this past season.
-Added a 38% 3 ball on 2.5 3PA/game, after not previously being a spacer.
-6'10 with a 7'0 wingspan
-18.9% Ast rate this past season (up from 12.1% the previous year)
-8.7%, 6.5%, 7.2% Block rate in his college career.
-Staggering .724 FTr and a 71% FT shooter this past year. That points to real upside in his offensive profile at the next level.
The worry might be is he's a better fit at the NBA 5 than an NBA 4. Could he be that unicorn 4 defender that protects the rim? Not too sold on his lateral movement, but it's like "just" enough and he's so good at recovery he almost always finds a way to block or contest a shot. I really really like the idea of what a Keon-Keegan-Holmes 2-3-4 defensively could look like and if Holmes proves his shot is real... could be an absolute flawless fit.
Only watched the game against Arizona in round 2. He gave them fits but got in foul trouble and Dayton was done after that.
There's a lot of players that seem to have similar size and skill mocked in the teens. I think one of them will be worth a shot for sure. I look forward to @bajaden's full scouting report.
I gotta laugh that we won the GS coinflip on top of knocking them off. It's the small things.
Right now I think I like Da Silva and Chomche but they are mocked much lower (20/30 right now). I bet they move up. We'll see. Maybe some people move up and Holland falls to us?
Tankathon has us drafting PJ Hall out of Clemson in rd. 2. No idea who he is. 6'10 senior.
I wouldn't be disappointed if we took a swing with Keshad Johnson though. I'm much more comfortable blowing 2nd rounders on my Arizona guys.
I wouldn't be disappointed if we took a swing with Keshad Johnson though. I'm much more comfortable blowing 2nd rounders on my Arizona guys.
SacTownKid
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Yeah, so many of the PF types in this draft always seem to be considered better 5's. Not a big fan from what I've seen.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Well you never know who else is watching. Petrie thought he had discovered a hidden talent but on draft day Jerry West made a trade to pick one spot before the Kings and stole Kobe Bryant from us. It was originally thought that Chomche would spend one year in college having received multiple offers from division one schools, and he still has that option available. But since he barely qualified age wise for the draft, he threw his name in. So we'll see!
sactowndog
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San Antonio has two picks and Ainge at Utah has a pick. Both of those scare me
bajaden
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Well, unless we get lucky in the lottery, I wouldn't spend too much time discussing Risacher or Sarr. It's likely they go one/two in the draft, although I would take Reed Sheppard over both of them. Sheppard is the complete package and without a doubt the best 3pt shooter in the draft, and if he can do in the NBA what he did at Kentucky, he'll be the best shooter in the NBA.
When is the last time a college player shot over 50% from three for the entire season?
I'm not sure if he was the most recent, but in his sophomore year Aaron Nesmith did: .522 on 8.2 attempts per game!
serbiangoat
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Literally nothing alike Tidjane is about as raw as it gets with little to no bball IQ, Tidjane is MPJ without the 3point shooting or back injuries atm but could develop into a MPJ type player but probably never as good shooter.
Salaun strikes me as a boom or bust, long-term upside gamble. He's the type of player OKC takes chances on with their seemingly endless supply of picks (see Poku, Ousmane Dieng etc) but who knows if their philosophy will change given their sudden emergence as actual playoff contenders.
Another team where Salaun makes sense would be Portland with GS's pick at 14 (assuming the Warriors don't win the lottery). They need big wings and shooting, and they have the time to let him develop since they are still in their rebuilding phase.
Either way I don't see him as an option for the Kings since they need players that can help now and I'm not bullish enough on Tidjane's long term potential to draft him and let him develop in the G-League for a couple seasons.
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Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
It’s pretty much impossible to be too critical of OKC’s rebuild job but it’s remarkable how many of their first round picks wound up being whiffs/not even on their roster/buried behind second round picks or UDDA guys who panned out as role players sooner/better than the high upside prospect guys. The non-Trade acquisition guys in their rotation are all the lotto pick level guys that OKC got with their own picks via tanking who were loved as prospects even before ending up on OKC (Chet/Jalen Williams/Cason) or Josh Giddey.
sactowndog
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hopefully Monte sets aside the win now Philosophy and drafts the best wing prospect out there but I doubt he does.
I wanted Johnson and we went Davion
I wanted Prosper or Jackson and we traded it
this year I am leaning toward Chomche we shall see
sactowndog
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Williams at 12 was a pretty damn good pick.
I don't see Chomche going in the lottery, but stranger things have happened. Most mocks I've seen have him anywhere from early 2nd to undrafted, but I think he'll ultimately go in the mid 20's. If so the Kings are best off either trading down or acquiring another FRP. Given how weak this draft is, that might not cost as much as usual.
Even some of the guys they hit on were gambles of one sort of another. Jalen Williams was a fringe 1st round pick for most of the year before jumping up the board in the pre-draft process. Chet was a consensus top 3 pick in that draft but viewed by many as the most risky due to concerns about strength, possible NBA position, injury concerns (which turned out to be founded) etc. Jabari Smith and Banchero were seen as more "sure things" which shows how unpredictable the draft is.
Giddy and Wallace were both seen as minor reaches by many "experts".
OKC has used their war chest of picks to take a LOT of swings on upside.
Shai is the only major part of their current roster that was acquired via trade, when they sent Paul George to the Clippers for him, Galinari and a boatload of picks. And SGA was a very good player at the time, but not a star. Give Presti all the credit- his hit rate on those big swings is impressive.
sactowndog
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yeah in an ideal world we could trade with New Orleans who needs a point and get their two picks but @bajaden has me convinced he won’t last that long. If he can flip his hips and guard 3’s he could be an ideal fit for us.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
All I can say is look up video comps and time the movement WITH the ball. I don't think MPJ has the ball handling of these two although speed wise he's similar.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Not gonna lie. I thought Sandfort was in last year's draft.
One name to watch for the Kings with the 45th pick:
— Brett W. Huff (@bretthuff22) April 23, 2024
Iowa’s Payton Sandfort
-48th on my consensus big board
-floor spacing SF
-college teammate of Keegan Murray
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Ok, I'm good with the pick. We can end this thread now.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
he’s got good size and is a fearless shot taker. A bit of a one trick pony but we could probably do worse that late in the draft.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Yeah, I had forgotten about Nesmith. Sheppard is a better all around player than Nesmith.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I wonder at what point PF's started being judged on they're ability to guard 2's and 3's. Do you pass on drafting a Giannis because you don't think he can flip his hips? How about a Shaq? In the film I saw he did fine one on one against opposing PG's and SG's. We also have to take the league he played in into consideration.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Jaylon Tyson: SF/SG, 6'7", 210 Lb's, Jr., California
34.3 mpg - 19.6 ppg - 46.5% fgp - 36.0% 3pp - 79.6% ftp - 6.8 rpg - 3.5 apg - 1.2 stl's - 0 5 blk's
Tyson has sort of flown under the radar this season. He was the best player on the Cal team, for what that's worth. Probably enough get him picked in the first rd, at least in my opinion. He's a very good athlete who can play the SF position, but has the handles to play SG. He's a three level scorer with a lightning quick first step. He's very crafty around the basket especially in a post up. Now you see him, and now you don't! He's a terrific finisher and never in the same way twice.
After shooting 40% from three his Sophomore year, his percentage dipped to 36% this season. However, on pure catch and shoots, he shot over 40%. As you probably guessed, because his team needed him to be the main man, he took a lot more shots off the dribble, and a lot more contested shots. I personally have no questions about his shot. He's a good passer, but turns the ball over a bit too much trying the impossible pass! As attested by his 6.8 rebounds a game, he's a very good rebounder for his position.
I would say that right now, he's a decent to good defender. Better on the ball than off, but not a liability. He has the athleticism to be a good defender in my opinion. He's a very aggressive player with a great motor and has a decent amount of upside left in his bag. If drafted by the Kings, he could play both the SF and SG position. He has terrific handles and can get anywhere he wants on the floor. I see him as an eventual starter in the league, and he is a player that's ready to contribute right now.
34.3 mpg - 19.6 ppg - 46.5% fgp - 36.0% 3pp - 79.6% ftp - 6.8 rpg - 3.5 apg - 1.2 stl's - 0 5 blk's
Tyson has sort of flown under the radar this season. He was the best player on the Cal team, for what that's worth. Probably enough get him picked in the first rd, at least in my opinion. He's a very good athlete who can play the SF position, but has the handles to play SG. He's a three level scorer with a lightning quick first step. He's very crafty around the basket especially in a post up. Now you see him, and now you don't! He's a terrific finisher and never in the same way twice.
After shooting 40% from three his Sophomore year, his percentage dipped to 36% this season. However, on pure catch and shoots, he shot over 40%. As you probably guessed, because his team needed him to be the main man, he took a lot more shots off the dribble, and a lot more contested shots. I personally have no questions about his shot. He's a good passer, but turns the ball over a bit too much trying the impossible pass! As attested by his 6.8 rebounds a game, he's a very good rebounder for his position.
I would say that right now, he's a decent to good defender. Better on the ball than off, but not a liability. He has the athleticism to be a good defender in my opinion. He's a very aggressive player with a great motor and has a decent amount of upside left in his bag. If drafted by the Kings, he could play both the SF and SG position. He has terrific handles and can get anywhere he wants on the floor. I see him as an eventual starter in the league, and he is a player that's ready to contribute right now.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
As of right now, I’ve landed on TDS if we keep our pick. I would take Knecht over him but don’t think he will be there. Part of this selection is based on our timeline and who Monte would realistically take. He gives us a a bit more size, is a good shooter and passer and basically plays high IQ basketball. There are some guard prospects I like but I’d rather use our midlevel on that position if we need that or give Colby a shot at that role.
