[Rumor] Fisher: Sacramento “(confident) the Kings can and will acquire a first-round pick in the latter of tomorrow night's NBA Draft.

[pdxKingsFan]

I listened to JA on Sactown and he said they are not going to rebuild. They talked about how it’s not a forgone conclusion that Deebo is traded either. I think a lot of us would like some answers tonight but it seems fairly likely we won’t be getting those.

I don't see how we can even hope to move forward without shipping off two of Deebo/Monk/LaVine.

 

[iowamcnabb]

I don't see how we can even hope to move forward without shipping off two of Deebo/Monk/LaVine.

I don’t think they view Deebo as a long term piece but if they don’t line the offers maybe they hold on to him and see if a team gets desperate at the deadline. They could also buy out his partial guarantee next off season if nothing materializes. one of Monk or Devin going is the next most obvious to move and I’d imagine that’s easy.

 

[The_Jamal]

I don't see how we can even hope to move forward without shipping off two of Deebo/Monk/LaVine.

Gotta pick a direction. If its go all in, do it. If its revuild, do it. Can't kick the tires anymore and we certainly know that adding Dennis Schroeder to our core from last season will do nothing

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Gotta pick a direction. If its go all in, do it. If its revuild, do it. Can't kick the tires anymore and we certainly know that adding Dennis Schroeder to our core from last season will do nothing

The three of them demand to start and yet they all more or less occupy the "traditional 2" spot in a lineup. Forcing Monk at PG for more than a changeup was a disaster, and Deebo starting at 3 meant Keegan was doing all the heavy lifting on defense.

Even in the context of "not rebuilding" if you want to be competitive you have to lose two of those guys or convince them to come off the bench.

 

[The_Jamal]

The three of them demand to start and yet they all more or less occupy the "traditional 2" spot in a lineup. Forcing Monk at PG for more than a changeup was a disaster, and Deebo starting at 3 meant Keegan was doing all the heavy lifting on defense.

Even in the context of "not rebuilding" if you want to be competitive you have to lose two of those guys or convince them to come off the bench.

Honestly, just need 1 to put the hand up and come off the bench. Any 2 of Monk lavine ddr with domas Keegan and Keon I think ends up being pretty good.

 

[KayDee55]

Its not even worth keeping DDR because we should give his shots to Keon/Keegan so they can begin to develop their offensive game. That is not going to happen with a lot of high volume shooting wings/guards on the roster.
Think Rip Hamilton with Jordan on the roster stunting his growth.

But of course we cant publicly acknowledge that, as that would stunt his trade value

 

[Caccia]

Forcing Monk at PG for more than a changeup was a disaster

By my count, Sacramento was 10-8 with Monk as starting point guard, hardly a disaster. He averaged 6.1 assists and 16.9 points per game in February. It was under the most difficult of circumstances, having suddenly lost his backcourt teammate, De'Aaron Fox, and trying to work with a newcomer, Zach LaVine, who was unsure of his own role on the team.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Honestly, just need 1 to put the hand up and come off the bench. Any 2 of Monk lavine ddr with domas Keegan and Keon I think ends up being pretty good.

Keon isn't a PG though, so you need two off the bench to start Keon and a PG.

Ship Deebo and have Monk come off the bench and I think we're ok.

 

[The_Jamal]

Keon isn't a PG though, so you need two off the bench to start Keon and a PG.

I really don't think a traditional PG matters in the slightest (although Perry seems to), so I'd be very comfortable with a keon-lavine backcourt. Especially with Domas

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I really don't think a traditional PG matters in the slightest (although Perry seems to), so I'd be very comfortable with a keon-lavine backcourt. Especially with Domas

Domas said we need a real PG, so I would say he is on the way out if we're not going after one.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

By my count, Sacramento was 10-8 with Monk as starting point guard, hardly a disaster. He averaged 6.1 assists and 16.9 points per game in February. It was under the most difficult of circumstances, having suddenly lost his backcourt teammate, De'Aaron Fox, and trying to work with a newcomer, Zach LaVine, who was unsure of his own role on the team.

Ya Monk, Ellis, Derozan, Keegan, and Sabonis starting did pretty good together than thee klutch puppet came back and demanded a trade. Deadline comes and we add Lavine to that a scoring non defending guard when the analytics showed we were always better with ellis/keegan starting

 

[coolhandluke]

Domas said we need a real PG, so I would say he is on the way out if we're not going after one.

Kings went away from his playmaking since his return from injury. Probably he felt that if he was expected to play in the post, the Kings better get a proper PG to do the playmaking and feed those entry passes.

 

[Tetsujin]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1937871644799688742

Is Scott just using Monte’s draft board because Clayton is the Monte McNairiest player in this year’s draft class haha

 

[Joshyjosh31]

I really don’t get it they want to bring in a rookie PG and a vet PG while ellis plays backup SG and isn’t big enough to play sf. Why do they think a pg drafted outside the lottery is better to develop then Carter

I would rather do the RJ deal and start Carter you don’t need a true pg with a Barrett/Sabonis

 

[SacTownKid]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1937869743752458295

Are the Kings going the full rebuild route?

OK, this has to be teams trying to stir some stuff up. Perry had the rep of tearing it down in NY so, trade these guys, youth, and get pick in a middling draft. Sounds like a plan. haha.

 

[SacTownKid]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1937871644799688742

Is Scott just using Monte’s draft board because Clayton is the Monte McNairiest player in this year’s draft class haha

Eh, he'll probably be there. He's nothing super special. My fear is this would be their target. He's as much a PG as Carter at this point. He's a shoot first combo guard that's probably not guarding up much and provides little length. Just go sign Tyus and get it over with. lol.

 

[Kingster]

We are going to start to see how Perry's actions line up with his rhetoric. I'm looking forward to it.

 

[sactowndog]

We will at least see if they can obtain this promised 1st round pick and I hope it is not Carter.

 

[Tetsujin]

Did Sacramento ever have a guest rep on Around the Horn?

I actually think Mark Kriedler and Scott Howard Cooper made a few appearances

 

[ESP47]

I really don't think a traditional PG matters in the slightest (although Perry seems to), so I'd be very comfortable with a keon-lavine backcourt. Especially with Domas

I think it does. Both Keon and Zach are as iffy as it gets when it comes to passing. Even Jokic needs Murray.

 

[QWERTYLICIOUS]

I really don't think a traditional PG matters in the slightest (although Perry seems to), so I'd be very comfortable with a keon-lavine backcourt. Especially with Domas

I think it does. Both Keon and Zach are as iffy as it gets when it comes to passing. Even Jokic needs Murray.

Oh, a traditional PG definitely matters depending on the offensive scheme and approach you want the team to take and implement.

 

[SacTownKid]

Oh, a traditional PG definitely matters depending on the offensive scheme and approach you want the team to take and implement.

Yep. But in looking at the stats and the way the league has developed over the last number of seasons the idea that a team needs a PG to run the offense is totally antiquated.

The top 5 in apg this season were Young, Jokic, Hali, Cade, and Harden. Hali is the only one that even remotely resembles a "true" PG and even he is more of a connector type. He lets others run the offense and will quick swing off the catch or draw and kick.

Now, lets go back to 2010. The top 5 were Steve Nash, Rajon Rondo, Deron Williams, Chris Paul, and Jose Calderon. The Kings looking for the new Jose Calderon or Rondo is mind numbing. Get with the times fellas. Caruso? Dort? Rings. Get real talent and keep those Caruso/Dort types.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

Oh, a traditional PG definitely matters depending on the offensive scheme and approach you want the team to take and implement.

How many traditional PG’s are even left

Yep. But in looking at the stats and the way the league has developed over the last number of seasons the idea that a team needs a PG to run the offense is totally antiquated.

The top 5 in apg this season were Young, Jokic, Hali, Cade, and Harden. Hali is the only one that even remotely resembles a "true" PG and even he is more of a connector type. He lets others run the offense and will quick swing off the catch or draw and kick.

Now, lets go back to 2010. The top 5 were Steve Nash, Rajon Rondo, Deron Williams, Chris Paul, and Jose Calderon. The Kings looking for the new Jose Calderon or Rondo is mind numbing. Get with the times fellas. Caruso? Dort? Rings. Get real talent and keep those Caruso/Dort types.

We were late to the wings era looks like we’ll be late to this as well

 

[SacTownKid]

How many traditional PG’s are even left



We were late to the wings era looks like we’ll be late to this as well

Exactly, always 5-10 years behind. This all said, if the NBA does go back to more of a physical style like the 90's and 2000's true position in general will make a comeback. It's obviously going to be a lot easier for a shorter player to keep a tight handle. This is partly why Keegan has such a hard time. Every little guy is right in the range of his dribble when he's trying to attack while facing up. That's why he developed a decent drop step and spin in the first place. To advance to the rim without getting stripped or stopped.

 

[ESP47]

Yep. But in looking at the stats and the way the league has developed over the last number of seasons the idea that a team needs a PG to run the offense is totally antiquated.

The top 5 in apg this season were Young, Jokic, Hali, Cade, and Harden. Hali is the only one that even remotely resembles a "true" PG and even he is more of a connector type. He lets others run the offense and will quick swing off the catch or draw and kick.

Now, lets go back to 2010. The top 5 were Steve Nash, Rajon Rondo, Deron Williams, Chris Paul, and Jose Calderon. The Kings looking for the new Jose Calderon or Rondo is mind numbing. Get with the times fellas. Caruso? Dort? Rings. Get real talent and keep those Caruso/Dort types.

Those guys might not be traditional PGs size wise but Young, Cade and Harden are definitely true PGs based on their games. All of them are head and shoulders better passers and decision makers than Zach, Keon, Carter etc.

I don't think the Kings necessarily need a CP3 type PG but a capable passer like a CJ McCollum type would be a much better option as a lead ball handler than the 3 Kings players I listed above. I honestly don't think the Kings have a chance in the world to be better than a play in team if Zach is the secondary ball handler next to Domas. He has some serious skills but decision making is not, nor will it ever be one of them.

 

[TaxMan]

I may be in the minority, but I hardly view Carter as some untouchable. Yes he was injured last year, but hardly lit the world on fire. I love his defensive intensity, but I'm not sold at all on his offensive game. He's also almost 24. If there is a player on the board that they love, and they can trade Carter for a pick, so be it. Carter's draft status from last year doesn't matter any more.

 

[SacTownKid]

Those guys might not be traditional PGs size wise but Young, Cade and Harden are definitely true PGs based on their games. All of them are head and shoulders better passers and decision makers than Zach, Keon, Carter etc.

I don't think the Kings necessarily need a CP3 type PG but a capable passer like a CJ McCollum type would be a much better option as a lead ball handler than the 3 Kings players I listed above. I honestly don't think the Kings have a chance in the world to be better than a play in team if Zach is the secondary ball handler next to Domas. He has some serious skills but decision making is not, nor will it ever be one of them.

Well, I mean it depends on what that means but historically no they aren't because they create opportunity based on their own attack. They create shots, they don't run team offense and pass first. The average is around 18 shots per game from each of them and would be higher but Harden takes less shots now. The only player on that list that kind of looks like the modern star is Deron Williams. Everyone else was around 10 FGA per game. This tells me the Kings don't need a PG, they need a star they can run offense through.

 

[QWERTYLICIOUS]

I may be in the minority, but I hardly view Carter as some untouchable. Yes he was injured last year, but hardly lit the world on fire. I love his defensive intensity, but I'm not sold at all on his offensive game. He's also almost 24. If there is a player on the board that they love, and they can trade Carter for a pick, so be it. Carter's draft status from last year doesn't matter any more.

If we REALLY want to be honest with ourselves right now, no one on the Kings is untouchable. Even someone like Keegan, as difficult as it would be to see him go, can be sent out as long as the return we get is comparable, if not better.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

I may be in the minority, but I hardly view Carter as some untouchable. Yes he was injured last year, but hardly lit the world on fire. I love his defensive intensity, but I'm not sold at all on his offensive game. He's also almost 24. If there is a player on the board that they love, and they can trade Carter for a pick, so be it. Carter's draft status from last year doesn't matter any more.

Almost 24 shouldn’t matter that’s like 8 years of good ball left. I’m not a draft expert and I didn’t pay attention to any draftees this year but reading up on scouting reports there isn’t a single player outside the top five I would trade Carter for

 

[SacTownKid]

If we REALLY want to be honest with ourselves right now, no one on the Kings is untouchable. Even someone like Keegan, as difficult as it would be to see him go, can be sent out as long as the return we get is comparable, if not better.

True. The problem is the magic 8 ball suggestion leads towards rebuild by the evidence collected up to this point. Star hunting is one thing. Filling positional need and using rebuild assets to do it is how the Kings have run the same hamster wheel for so long. I'm cool with trading Fox and trying to claw into the play in but the success wasn't there to justify anything beyond a run it back. Putting more into whatever the heck this team even is is playing with fire.