Fire Walton

[Livinthedream]

Play your best players, not your favorite players.

 

[chief bromden]

It's time like these that I remind myself that Walton turned Brook Lopez into a minimum contract player on the Lakers. Dude sucks at coaching.

Each season so far, the mantra each preseason is 'defense, defense, defense.' The problem is the effing offense. It's horrible. One action every time down and then ISO. Every year. It's a joke. Blaming it on defense is the easy way out. Their offense is holding them back from winning close games.

 

[luckytkp]

It's time like these that I remind myself that Walton turned Brook Lopez into a minimum contract player on the Lakers. Dude sucks at coaching.

Each season so far, the mantra each preseason is 'defense, defense, defense.' The problem is the effing offense. It's horrible. One action every time down and then ISO. Every year. It's a joke. Blaming it on defense is the easy way out. Their offense is holding them back from winning close games.

One very bad thing about Walton is he’s never good at using and coaching big man. You have Lopez, whiteside and even dedmon play decent after leaving Walton. He also absolutely failed to develop Bagley and to lesser extent Giles.

 

[HndsmCelt]

Why?
Excellent at developing guards, winning coaching record, creates an offense that plays to player’s strengths #ijs

Why?
Excellent at developing guards, winning coaching record, creates an offense that plays to player’s strengths #ijs

Sadly the team may not be able to hire anyone better than Mike D'Antoni at this point but don't be deluded into believing that he will ever take a team into the NBA finals. I could go on a major criticism but what's the point he certainly an upgrade from where we're at. Lots of good teams have started the road to improvement by hiring him as a placeholder and that's good enough for me right now.

 

[The_Jamal]

Bobby! Bobby! Bobby! One thing about Bobby, sandbag him and he'll put his foot in someones butt.

Im all for it. Look how well he handled all of Monte's prospects. We were leagues above everyone at summer league.

Screw it. Get rid of the entire Vlade era (Walton, Fox, Buddy, Barnes, Holmes), start over with Hali/Mitchell as established core, try to get Ramsey/King/Metu to pop this season and let McNair actually get to pick his coach. Maybe you hold onto Holmes just because he works so freaking well with Hali and he's damn cheap for a quality starting big. Imagine how much he could actually pop with a coach who realizes he's like a top 3 PnR big.

 

[jiimbob]

wow, went downtown for lunch at half time and come back to another lose. Nothing enjoyable about this.
Adios Walton.

 

[The_Jamal]

It's time like these that I remind myself that Walton turned Brook Lopez into a minimum contract player on the Lakers. Dude sucks at coaching.

Each season so far, the mantra each preseason is 'defense, defense, defense.' The problem is the effing offense. It's horrible. One action every time down and then ISO. Every year. It's a joke. Blaming it on defense is the easy way out. Their offense is holding them back from winning close games.

BroLo went on to become a crucial part of a Bucks title team/core and one of the best defensive C's in the game.

 

[Turgenev]

One very bad thing about Walton is he’s never good at using and coaching big man. You have Lopez, whiteside and even dedmon play decent after leaving Walton. He also absolutely failed to develop Bagley and to lesser extent Giles.

And Julius Randle. Who described Thib's prep as the best of any coach he has played for.

 

[Livinthedream]

It's time like these that I remind myself that Walton turned Brook Lopez into a minimum contract player on the Lakers. Dude sucks at coaching.

This is why I will give players on this squad the benefit of the doubt while Walton is still here. Walton has notoriously side tracked careers. Don't forget how he tried to put Julius Randle in his place and made him come off the bench. Wouldn't play Ball in 4th quarters, etc.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

One very bad thing about Walton is he’s never good at using and coaching big man. You have Lopez, whiteside and even dedmon play decent after leaving Walton. He also absolutely failed to develop Bagley and to lesser extent Giles.

Interesting point. In Walton's one "good" year (acting head coach for '15-'16 Warriors), the team got a total of 3439 minutes out of big men for the entire season. Since you expect to get about 4000 minutes a season out of a single position, that team played less than one full-time big man. On top of being one of the great all-time teams, maybe one reason why Walton didn't tank the team. He didn't have to coach for a big man.

 

[EIM86]

Sadly the team may not be able to hire anyone better than Mike D'Antoni at this point but don't be deluded into believing that he will ever take a team into the NBA finals. I could go on a major criticism but what's the point he certainly an upgrade from where we're at. Lots of good teams have started the road to improvement by hiring him as a placeholder and that's good enough for me right now.

i hear ya but I want out of basketball hell lol

 

[Albatros]

I don't want to see anymore ex kings players from the 02 team coaching or doing anything with this team. Hire a damn coach.

 

[reptilexcq2]

Kings need a coach that are tough minded and get into players ears if they missed their assignments. This team just doesn't play smart ball. When the other is in foul trouble, you should try to attack and draw foul, when a player is hot, you don't go away from them...when Fox is struggling, you don't go to him for last shot. It's just little thing like that that can mean the difference between winning and losing and this team is just not smart.

 

[Siranthony]

Terry Stott's! Get him now! Or Dantoni.

 

[Geoff]

I've never been a "fire coach" type of person but it seems clear to me now that a change in top level leadership is needed now.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Interesting point. In Walton's one "good" year (acting head coach for '15-'16 Warriors), the team got a total of 3439 minutes out of big men for the entire season. Since you expect to get about 4000 minutes a season out of a single position, that team played less than one full-time big man. On top of being one of the great all-time teams, maybe one reason why Walton didn't tank the team. He didn't have to coach for a big man.

He didn't have to do much of anything there. That team practically ran itself

 

[Capt. Factorial]

He didn't have to do much of anything there. That team practically ran itself

I think that has always been the contention. But to the extent that he had coaching duties, it was all guard/wing play that he had to deal with.

 

[ESP47]

I still can't believe Vlade thought that he was some sort of hot commodity on the market and rushed to throw a big contract at him as soon as he became available.

 

[Albatros]

I still can't believe Vlade thought that he was some sort of hot commodity on the market and rushed to throw a big contract at him as soon as he became available.

Probably Vivek and his enduring warriors fascination.

 

[AMR42700]

If you don’t believe that Walton loses the team, does it look like or do they play like a team that is engaged? Surely not the last game and a half. Let’s see what they do tonight against OKC.

They are "Jekyl and Hyde." One minute they look like GS Warriors (Charlotte win) and now they look like trash w the losing streak. We have to understand is that bc of the players, coaching or both? Then take action accordingly.

 

[AMR42700]

sounds like a coach players can get behind

Bobby has proven players play hard for him and win (summer league and a limited sample size in g league). If the problem is all coaching then we will see results. If its the players then we have an issue. I think the Kinga need to decide see which one is the problem and make a decision. I wouldn't change both immediately bc now you have two different variables. Pick the problem. Make the change and re assess.

 

[Kingster]

And that's the thing, if it's about that kind of marginal salary we're talking about then this franchise is screwed anyway. You can pay Harkless 8 million bucks but can't fire or hire coaches making half that? BS if that their thought process. Gentry was a Walton hire, just like you let go a handpicked coach when you fire his GM, a handpicked lead assistant goes with the fired head coach. Otherwise you're leaving loose ends all over the place.

So if Walton is fired today, who do you have as the head coach?

 

[Kingster]

Bobby has proven players play hard for him and win (summer league and a limited sample size in g league). If the problem is all coaching then we will see results. If its the players then we have an issue. I think the Kinga need to decide see which one is the problem and make a decision. I wouldn't change both immediately bc now you have two different variables. Pick the problem. Make the change and re assess.

I liked what Bobby did in the summer league, but coaching G league guys versus players with long term multi-million dollar guaranteed contracts is apples to zebras. Everybody on this team wants to eat, but few want to cook or do the dishes. I really get the feeling that a lot of players are saying to themselves, "If so-and-so isn't doing the dirty work like he should, then why should I?" Can Bobby dictate that players play their roles? It's an open question. But we do know at this point that Walton cannot do it.

 

[gunks]

I’d be down to see what Bobby can do as an interim coach, but not necessarily to run out the year, unless he really proves himself.

I’d take D’Antoni. I think he’d make Fox look like a superstar…

… Well, last season’s version of Fox…

 

[Livinthedream]

They are "Jekyl and Hyde." One minute they look like GS Warriors (Charlotte win) and now they look like trash w the losing streak. We have to understand is that bc of the players, coaching or both? Then take action accordingly.

Walton is the constant the last 3 years. Different players, different lineups, different GM, same results.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

I’d be down to see what Bobby can do as an interim coach, but not necessarily to run out the year, unless he really proves himself.

I’d take D’Antoni. I think he’d make Fox look like a superstar…

… Well, last season’s version of Fox…

Fox won't make an All-Star team, let alone be a Superstar, unless he can figure out how to improve his shooting skill. I'm not convinced that he's even figured out how to shoot over 70% from the line

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

I still can't believe Vlade thought that he was some sort of hot commodity on the market and rushed to throw a big contract at him as soon as he became available.

His evaluation of talent was just awful. Historically bad stuff. The Papa-G pick. Bagley over Doncic. Slobbering over Walton. Yikes

 

[SacTownKid]

So if Walton is fired today, who do you have as the head coach?

Bobby Jackson. Perfect low cost guy in case they do have rebuild, and in the interim he has a history with THESE players, and has a history on the development side. Also, in summer league he did run Waltons systems on both ends early but then ditched them to run the things that got them the title. He pressured the ball on defense and ran a spread pick and roll offense. Things this current group should also be focusing on.

 

[SacTownKid]

I liked what Bobby did in the summer league, but coaching G league guys versus players with long term multi-million dollar guaranteed contracts is apples to zebras. Everybody on this team wants to eat, but few want to cook or do the dishes. I really get the feeling that a lot of players are saying to themselves, "If so-and-so isn't doing the dirty work like he should, then why should I?" Can Bobby dictate that players play their roles? It's an open question. But we do know at this point that Walton cannot do it.

Worst case then Monte needs to intervene. This isn't a perfect roster build wise for sure and too many mouths is a problem if players create that problem. And it will be a problem if they don't win regardless. Bobby isn't a fresh fish either. He's never gotten a lead job but he's been working his way up for darn near a decade already.

 

[Kingster]

I’d be down to see what Bobby can do as an interim coach, but not necessarily to run out the year, unless he really proves himself.

I’d take D’Antoni. I think he’d make Fox look like a superstar…

… Well, last season’s version of Fox…

So McNair spends the offseason improving the defensive talent of this team.....and then he brings in D'Antoni? LOL. Who knows. It could happen, but that would be a massive shift in direction of this team. I would hope that the coach, whoever he is, has some credibility for coaching defense.