finals game 5 (merged)

Incidentally:

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nope. no foul there whatsoever :rolleyes:
 
G. Moore
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MIAMI HEAT

An Interview With:

COACH PAT RILEY

Q. Dwyane Wade kind of started off rough in the beginning, but can you talk about as the game went on how he was able to exploit Dallas's defense?
PAT RILEY: I don't know if he exploited anything. Their defense was I think geared to him. He was 3 for 13 in the first half. He was having a hard time finding spaces and gaps. And, you know, once we started the stop running plays for him and giving him the ball at the high post, he was making his jumpshots.
I think finally pulling up instead of trying to find airspace, and the fact that he was making enough of them, was what won us the game.

Q. How important was the run that you had at the end of the third quarter?
PAT RILEY: Well, we're down eight, throughout the third quarter at 30, I think they had this 21 9 run again on us just before the half, and that was big. It was huge to be able to close the gap. My fear was that it would get into double digits, and it's very hard to come back all the time. We got it down to I think 71 70 or something like that at one point and from there, it was probably one of the greatest games I've ever been around, part of. Everybody making big shots; you know, the shot that Dirk made to put them ahead by one, I don't think you can defend it any better than that. There's no way that you could defend it. It was nothing but net.
Then Dwyane made the play he had to make.

Q. On the last play, was Dwyane supposed to keep the ball and basically shoot under any circumstances, or did he decide on his own just to go one on three, one on four?
PAT RILEY: Well, they were in a zone the two possessions prior to that, and you don't know what they are going to come out in.
Obviously the important thing for us was to get him the ball, make sure we got him the ball. Because I think if it went to anybody else first, they would have denied him, and he had to have it. So he ran into the backcourt to get it.
Last thing he said to me coming out of the time out is, "Coach, I want to go left, I want to go left."
I said, "Well, tell Shaquille to move out of there." So he went right twice and came back left, anyhow. That's what Dwyane is now, if there was an open man; but I think he was so committed, and I've seen him do it before, trying to find a gap that he would have created a shot, I think probably the best shot.
But we did not have a second option, believe me.
 
Q. Can you talk about or describe how Dwyane's mentality prepared him for being able to take those last two free throws, especially with the break in between?
PAT RILEY: He's a great free throw shooter, first of all. I think his percentage in the last eight or nine minutes of the game or last five minutes of the game is up in the 90s, you know, so he's a winner. That's all you can say, he's just a winner. To make both free throws, hit nothing but net, is just what he's about.

Q. Are there other players who have, especially if they had that
PAT RILEY: What's that?

Q. Well, are there other players that maybe with the confusion or break would have come back unfocused?
PAT RILEY: Dwyane was pretty calm while that stuff was going on and he took that inadvertent time out, I think he did. But he stayed right on the rim most of the time, which isn't saying much.

Q. Can you talk about the task at hand now, having to win one more at Dallas, a place you haven't won in four years.
PAT RILEY: Well, law of averages. (Laughing) It's going to take a lot more than that, but we'll see. I'd much rather go down there this way, one game away from the Championship, instead of having to win two in a row. I mean, they played a great game tonight. They did everything they could to win. And now it's our job to go into a very hostile environment and do something this franchise has never done. That's what it's about.

Q. Do you rely on your coaching past experience to bring you threw this one here?
PAT RILEY: Well, I know I can get through it. I think it's getting out all of us right now. I can get through it and I'll do the best job I can to give them a chance, period.

Q. You said a moment ago, "inadvertent time out," do you believe that there was some confusion or is Dwyane the kind of player that he knows what to do, or does he just have to keep shooting?
PAT RILEY: They were denying the ball. They weren't making it easy for him. Probably he could have got off the ball a little bit more in the first half, you know, which is what we did talk about, if they were going to try to stop him, there would be people open. But we began to open up the floor for him, that's all. We have a set that, you know, he can run two or three things out of it, but at least everybody can see where he is and he can see where everybody else is in that situation.

Q. Dwyane was 21 for 25, even though he started off shooting poorly. Just talk about that attack mentality to get to the free throw line and how big that was?
PAT RILEY: That's it. That's his personality as a player, and it was in college, and it is now and probably forever will be. I'm sure the fact that he makes pull up jumpers now, he took what the defense gave him, but he's very, very smart when they are in the penalty. They got in the penalty third quarter, fourth quarter, a little bit early, and when they are in the penalty, he's not going to accept anything else but go to the basket.
So he gets fouled a lot on the floor and guys are bumping and banging on him and he gets the line. So it's one of the benefits of actually having Shaquille when they started to hack him, they got into the penalty rather quickly in overtime, and he gets the line.
 
Normally, a better team can win it all.
However, I expect a drama that Heat Buzzbeats Mavs at Game7 following a blowout game 6.
 
Dirk and his continued bitching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=848MEfUEZUs

really Dirk, your not the only player in the NBA...

I understand his anger. He just lost a finals game and with all the things that happened at the end of the game, i would have been angry too. This shows how much passion and how serious he takes the game, I love players like that. The problem is that his feelings are not translating on the court. He is playing soft and should be taking it to the hole like wade instead of taking those jumpers.

And didn't Pippen act the same way after a playoff game when he was in portland? I want to say the Conf finals against the lakers a fews years back but i am not sure.
 
Wow, awesome game, unfortunately I missed all the post game stuff. thanks for the Dirk video, that was some tantrum.
What exactly happened with the timeout, my tape ran out before I saw it:(?
Dwyane's the man. I love this. 1 more to go, I hope Cubes hasn't ordered all the floats for his big parade yet. He can afford to have them sent to Miami anyway:rolleyes:
 
Wow, awesome game, unfortunately I missed all the post game stuff. thanks for the Dirk video, that was some tantrum.
What exactly happened with the timeout, my tape ran out before I saw it:(?
Dwyane's the man. I love this. 1 more to go, I hope Cubes hasn't ordered all the floats for his big parade yet. He can afford to have them sent to Miami anyway:rolleyes:

I don't know what anyone else saw but Howard was looking at the Dallas bench and kind of shook his head in agreement, made the timeout sign to DeRosa, starting walking toward the Mavs bench and it looked like DeRosa gestured like "are you sure" and Howard made the T sign again and kept walking toward the bench so they called a time out. By this time the Mavs bench was going nuts and Howard was then trying to correct his mistake.

Now, as far as that last foul being on Nowitzki I'm not quite sure about that, looks like his hand was on his back but that was about it.
 
The rest of it = meh. The ball punting...well here is one case where I would prefer the league is INCONSISTENT in the way it enforces that. If he actually punted it into the stands...oh boy. NOBODY wants to see Dirk Nowitzki suspended int he NBA Finals. Overlook it and I doubt they'd hear a peep.

Wasn't Webber fined $30k for punting the ball into the stands after the "Goaltending" non call against the Suns in '05? That was after the game too....I'm betting on a similar fine for Dirk.
 
The "Grand Conspiracy Enclave" of refs didn't make Dirk, Dampier and Howard (at least I think it was Howard) miss those critical free throws at the end that would have probably sealed the deal for the Mavs.

If Kings lost this way - this site would turn into mob that whould ask for the ref;s head
 
Wasn't Webber fined $30k for punting the ball into the stands after the "Goaltending" non call against the Suns in '05? That was after the game too....I'm betting on a similar fine for Dirk.

yup, webber was fined. bibby and cat (?) too were fined after that game for not "leaving the court in a timely manner." kinda ridiculous considering it was @ arco, and they should be able to leave the court whenever they want. oh and wasn't brad suspended for the next game? i think it was for throwing stuff on the court or something?

anyway, ever since that whole "you put the ball to the stands and it's an automatic ejection" rule, you never know what they'll do. i'm sure they would NOT suspend dirk, but i'm expecting him to get fined (and the mavs should feel lucky).
 
I know a lot of people here hate the Mavs. But other than the '03 playoffs (which really was more because Webber's knee blew out) when they beat us, what else have they done that's got every one here against them?

For me, any dislike for them pales in comparison to the hate I have for the ring chasers on the Heat (Mourning & Payton). I DESPISE what Mourning did to Toronto. And as good as Dwyane Wade is, I'll still always remember what he did to Doug Christie in the pre-Christmas game in Sac last season (intentionally charging into him to get Doug on a second T and thrown out of the game).
 
Does anyone besides me think Wade should have had a backcourt violation called on him? Someone was inbounding the ball and Wade went over the halfcourt line to get it while the dude inbounding the ball was on the other side of the line. Can you do that or was it just a very important missed call that could have changed the outcome of the game or am I forgetting something?
 
Nope, you're right. That was a backcourt violation on Wade because he caught the ball in the front court THEN went back into the backcourt. Would have won the Mavs the game if the officials weren't so in love with Wade.
 
You're allowed to accept an inbounds pass on either side of the line.

But Dwyane caught it, in the air, in the frontcourt. Therefore he is established right there as in the froncourt; then he went into the backcourt which should have been called.
 
Does anyone besides me think Wade should have had a backcourt violation called on him? Someone was inbounding the ball and Wade went over the halfcourt line to get it while the dude inbounding the ball was on the other side of the line. Can you do that or was it just a very important missed call that could have changed the outcome of the game or am I forgetting something?

You could do that starting this year, during the last 2 min of the fourth and overtime. But only as long as the player doesn't established position in the frontcourt before going into the backcourt.
 
But Dwyane caught it, in the air, in the frontcourt. Therefore he is established right there as in the froncourt; then he went into the backcourt which should have been called.
If he's in the air I don't think he's established in the frontcourt until he comes down with possession on that side. Surely they take momentum into effect.
 
If he's in the air I don't think he's established in the frontcourt until he comes down with possession on that side. Surely they take momentum into effect.

I think if you are in the air you're OK - just like being out-of-bounds in the air and throwing it in before you "land".
 
A backcourt call would have been chickenbleep at that point. Let them make that call pre-season and clarify things, not with the championship on the line. Not that the foul call wasn't also chickenbleep - imo it was.

Tell you what - I'm tempted to bet a lot on the Mavs to cover in game 6. History suggests that the Mavs will get the benefit of the doubt... Shaq may get 4 first half fouls, Haslem perhaps T'd up early or maybe ejected for a hint of a hard foul. Dirk will be protected. Watch and see.

Not really "conspiracy theory" so much as what I've seen in the past. Again referring back to 2002, when the Kings got the freebie out-of-bounds call that should have gone against Webber in game 5, the refs had to square things in game 6 by foul troubling out our bigs early. Same will happen to the Heat in game 6.
 
VF21. I hope your dial up connection can handle this. Enjoy MC's post game interview :)

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/VideoPlayer/videoPlayer.php?vidId=71403&catId=104

Thank you...

It never ceases to amuse me how Cuban courts the media for his purposes but gets so upset when things don't go his way and they ask him questions clearly meant to elicit sound bytes.

Was it a backcourt violation? I honestly don't know because of the whole "in the air" thing and I don't think it was clear enough to the officials for a violation to be called.

Game 6 should be VERY interesting.
 
Tell you what - I'm tempted to bet a lot on the Mavs to cover in game 6. History suggests that the Mavs will get the benefit of the doubt... Shaq may get 4 first half fouls, Haslem perhaps T'd up early or maybe ejected for a hint of a hard foul. Dirk will be protected. Watch and see.

Not really "conspiracy theory" so much as what I've seen in the past. Again referring back to 2002, when the Kings got the freebie out-of-bounds call that should have gone against Webber in game 5, the refs had to square things in game 6 by foul troubling out our bigs early. Same will happen to the Heat in game 6.

At one point in time I would have argued this vehemently. Now, unfortunately, I have to at least partially agree. I do think the officials will be perhaps a little tougher on the Heat, especially on the Mavericks home court... and that's a shame not only for the Heat, but for the game of basketball.
 

I'm not sure about the backcourt violation as the ball is being thrown-in, so there's no "established" position until someone touches the ball and the clock starts ticking.

However... this was a blatant TRAVELING violation. He takes his two steps allowed for a "running stop" after he catches the ball, then bounces off for two more (maybe 3) steps before the dribble.
 
Here's some info on the whole frontcourt/backcourt issue (from PacersDigest):

Apparently the common sense interpretation of the NBA rule is not correct.

Wade is NOT considered to be in EITHER the frontcourt or the backcourt UNTIL he catches the ball.

It was the correct call.

http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_4....av=ArticleList

Section VI-Frontcourt/Backcourt
a. A team's frontcourt consists of that part of the court between its endline and the nearer edge of the midcourt line, including the basket and inbounds part of the backboard.
b. A team's backcourt consists of the entire midcourt line and the rest of the court to include the opponent's basket and inbounds part of the backboard.
c. A ball being held by a player: (1) is in the frontcourt if neither the ball nor the player is touching the backcourt, (2) is in the backcourt if either the ball or player is touching the backcourt.
d. A ball being dribbled is (1) in the frontcourt when the ball and both feet of the player are in the frontcourt, (2) in the backcourt if the ball or either foot of the player is in the backcourt.
e. The ball is considered in the frontcourt once it has broken the plane of the midcourt line and is not in player control.
f. The team on offense must bring the ball across the midcourt line within 8 seconds. No additional 10-second count is permitted in the backcourt.
EXCEPTION: (1) kicked ball, (2) punched ball, (3) technical foul on the defensive team, (4) delay-of-game warning on the defensive team or (5) infection control.
g. Frontcourt/backcourt status is not attained until a player with the ball has established a positive position in either half during (1) a jump ball, (2) a steal by a defensive player, or (3) a throw-in in the last two minutes of the fourth period and/or any overtime period.

What's important to note is in item g. it specifies status is NOT attained until a player WITH THE BALL ...

Where he was before the pass doesn't matter.
 
After watching this I am pretty confident this is neither a backcourt nor a travelling violation. Its kind of hard to see given the quality of the video but it looks like one foot may even be across the line at the point that he jumps to receive the ball. At the point where he actually has possession of it I count two steps and a half step in which he is also putting the ball down. I can't believe people are remotely questioning this, go watch replays of every single possession with this much scrutiny.
 
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